CAVE DIVING CORPSES (my biggest fear)
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I performed underwater recovery for 20 years yes I have PTSD and nightmares
If you don't mind me asking, did you recover the deceased when major things happened, like storms, accidents and things of that nature? If it is too hard for you to talk about, please disregard my question and I sincerely apologize.
@@shaun6597 the fire department handles any bodies on the surface or on the shore. We only handled the ones underwater
Hello! If you don't mind me asking, what made you start performing underwater recoveries? If you don't want to answer my question, it's ok. And I'm sorry if my question made you uncomfortable.
@@maxine9015 My first wife was diagnosed with Ovarian cancer. I felt helpless to do anything to help her. I lost her after 3 years. I started thinking what families go through when someone drowns and needing closure. So I got into underwater recovery as volunteer work. To do this I had to disassociate with death. I haven't figured out how to undo this.
I have PTS from my 20 yrs of doing this plus some other traumas in my life.
The sad part is I can no longer dive
Joseph Mullin thank you for doing what you do sir!
Corpses or no corpses, cave diving overall just sounds like an enormous NOPE.
Funny.not on my list of things to do either.
Regular caving already gives me heart palpitations.
I love caving. I love diving. You couldn't pay me enough to mix the two. Never. Ever.
Total agreement . Underwater cave diving and pot-holing are activities of the irretrievably insane.
@@Chipchase780 Add high-altitude mountain climbing. Those mad bastards whose frozen corpses are now trail markers on the slopes of Mt. Everest could have been pursuing a sane hobby, like, erm... cave diving?
My fear is accidentally discovering a corpse in a large body of water. Specifically, wading through murky water, stubbing my toe on an object, reaching down, and pulling up an arm. It is the main reason I won't go swimming in deep and/or opaque water. That and sea monsters, lol.
*you do not recognise the bodies in the water*
Especially if you cut yourself on dead teeth or bones
Have you read greasy lake? It's short
that would be ridiculously rare
Once while driving to college, which is near a bay, my friend saw a dead body floating in the water. Very creepy.
I think perhaps my greatest death fear is coming to realize you’ve made a mistake and are now lost in a cave system and do not have the O2 left to reach the surface. This has happened to cave-divers and it’s so terrifying to me.
Edit: Clarified that it doesn’t happen to cave-divers “regularly,” but it is a known peril.
My fear is plunging in to a deep river trapped in my car unable to get out, I’ve had nightmares aboutthis
Me too. Getting stuck or lost, knowing you cannot get back but having maybe still a couple of hours' air left in your tank which you have to just... Use up, waiting for death to come. All of the nopes!
Well first off, you don’t breath 02 unless you’re using it for deco gas...you breath air, nitrox, or trimix. Secondly, you always stay on the cave line so you don’t get lost..she’s full of shit and had no idea what she’s talking about.
I've been cave diving almost my entire life . went into my first cave with my dad when I was 11 . Divers running out of air does not happen often at all.
@@bwp714 - I think maybe you and the last guy are mixing up me being worried this will happen to me or to cave divers generally and me having the heebie-jeebies about the idea generally. I’m not trying to disparage your hobby or suggest that cave diving is super dangerous or anything like that, just that the idea of getting lost in a cave system and running out of air is something that I have an irrational reaction to.
At the same time, you guys can’t claim things like this have never happened: the previous comment said that you’d just hold on to the line . Yet, someone had to lay that line down, right? And folks have definitely died cave-diving, have they not? It may be rare, but it’s like saying to someone who’s fear is falling while free-climbing that gear rarely fails. It sort of misses the point.
All that said, if I were a certified diver, I would 100% want to do penetration dives. Maybe not as much cave dives, but I wouldn’t be against it either. I’m afraid of heights, but I’ve done plenty of rock climbing and just because something is dangerous doesn’t mean it’s unsafe, right?
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This immediately made me think of the divers who went to retrieve corpses from a sunken ship, and found a man alive in an air pocket. He had been underwater for three days. His name is Harrison Okene.
I watched that video and tried to imagine what it must have been like. Pretty sure my imagination didn't come close to what he went through.
@@rayberczik7251 Yeah I can't imagine what that must've been like, he did subsequent interviews about how he could hear sharks eating his friends.
@@piffpeppescooni6908 oh wow I wasnt aware of that. That's what real nightmares and PTSD are made of. Did he continue work on ships after that experience?
Wow! I'll have to look this up. How terrifying.
@@MyCisa it's an amazing story for sure. Theres a video of his rescue by divers surprised to find a survivor. Worth checking out.
Girl, you, SAID it. Cave-diving-corpses are some of the only corpses that can kill you. There's a very rational reason to fear them.
Lol what
@@robertharrison4387likely because it can startle and panic you, and as dangerous as cave dying is, already, that extra bit of panicked distraction could cause you to get into a seriously dangerous situation you can't get out of.
I mean, I've never done it, and never will, but that's what I've read and heard. In fact, she talks about how it can happen in the video.
Mt. Everest Corpses has enter the chat
@@whimsandworries (As I understand it) Mt Everest Corpses can startle you when you first encounter them - which is bad enough in the Death Zone - but they don't do things like bob around in currents, float when you expect them to sink, fall apart at a touch, etc., like cave-diver corpses can. Also, I think many/most people connected with Mt Everest understand that recovering bodies is seldom possible, while people seem to have much more of an expectation of recovery regarding cave diver's corpses.
Smart girl. One of the best cave divers in the world is a woman. Highly intelligent.
I met someone who said they went scuba diving once and peered over a cliff that was “just pure black with big shadows swimming around” and now he doesn’t swim in bodies of water
Sounds like diving "the wall" at Grand Cayman. Huge whale sharks will come straight up that wall just to visit. 🥴
oh, god. thank you for my new nightmare
I just swim in my local lake. Excellent water quality that is checked frequently. Sizable. Free. Home to fish and coots and the occasional duck. But nothing that wants to eat me.
@@snazzypazzy this person actually lived part time on a beautiful lake front property with a private dock it’s actually where we met and they refused to swim in it too.
What depth was he at? I'm thinking possibly narcosis or squids.
I'm not the slightest bit concerned about being dead. It's the "becoming dead" bit that worries me...
Aye, mate; THAT'S the rub.
That's what I say not afraid of my death but not real sure how I feel getting there to that point..lol
I definitely want to die like my grandfather, peaceful in his sleep. Not like his passengers screaming, in a car crash.
That's the scariest part about life. it's too easy to "become dead".
What an answer sir what an answer.
As a licensed diver, can confirm, cave diving is freaking terrifying... It's easy to get disoriented, as you have no real way to know what direction is up without carrying special equipment. Your hoses can get snagged. There are sharp edges that can cut you. You can easily cause yourself a concussion. If anything goes wrong, you have to retrace your "steps" just to get out of the cave to be able to return to the surface.
Here's an easy rule to follow to survive cave diving: don't go cave diving.
Yup !
This is why the movie The Cave scares me so badly.
I totally agree!!! As exciting as it looks it's still extremely extremely dangerous
Cave diving is super safe! If you do everything properly and follow rules, its one of the safest sport
As another licensed diver... Jenny is right.. just don't cave dive.
This is exactly what ended my Uncles career as a mortician.
An entire tour group died in a cave diving accident they kicked up silt and it was all over for them, Police divers had to wait months before the silt settled and they were able to recover the bodies.
He had to do the mortician thing after the recovery and the 19 year old girl that was involved haunts him to this day.
That’s why caves have guidelines. Even if you cannot see, you can follow the line to the exit
@electrictroy2010 Or better still, dont go down there. I mean, it's a cave full of water. What are they hoping to find? Something that isn't rock or water? Sorry, caves are a big phobia of mine.
as a retired diver, amen to avoiding cave corpses. Almost glad I cannot breathe enough anymore to worry about being in that position.
It’s hilarious that you think corpses are just floating around in caves....
Cave corpses? Not a thing, dude.
@@robertharrison4387 I swear the ppl in the comments are so ignorant. Perhaps they are thinking of the Blue Hole cavern in Egypt where non tech divers die fairly frequently due to target fixation on the arch, just to find out they don’t have enough air to make it to the top. I can’t think of anywhere else where someone would possibly encounter a “cave” corpse unless they were specifically on a body recovery mission within whatever cave they were in. Also, if a regular scuba diver discovered a corpse at the bottom of the Blue Hole, they’d probably end up becoming the next corpse themselves.
@@robertharrison4387 I don’t know if you are joking or if you really don’t think that it is possible for there to be underwater cave corpses. Now wildlife would more than likely get to them at some point but In order for somebody to be considered a cave corpse they don’t have to be down there for any certain time frame. They can be dead for a few hours in the cave and would still be considered a corpse in a cave aka a “cave corpse” . Just as there are still human remains in high altitude mountainous areas that haven’t been recovered bc of the danger that would entail there have also been dead people left deep in the ocean. There are places where people swim everyday & don’t realize that deep underneath of them in the cave system, are human remains. Jacob’s Well is a good example of this. (I am not completely positive about this but I believe that they recently recovered what human remains were still there and retrievable.). So for years people have been swimming above the cave system which held human remains.
EVERY 4000 CAVEDIVES == 1 death. So it’s fairly common. For comparison, cars average 3,000,000 trips for every death
Saw the video title and immediately thought: “How do corpses cave dive?”
Honestly thought the same 😂
@Ron Stidham Yep!
They have a more exciting life than I do!
Very carefully, if they know what's good for them
Lol...nice
This channel is like a living campfire story.
Yes! Isn’t it wonderful?
I just discovered Rob Gavagan. He has some terrifying serial killer stories, and people's personal accounts. czcams.com/users/TheRobDykevideos
Stephen Cook Perfect definition☺️
So very true!
"Living" is a strong word in these parts.
My friend's wife, sadly, passed away while they slept. I never stopped thinking about him telling me how he felt waking up to her cold body.
That’s terrifying
That happened to my uncle! My aunt passed away in her sleep and when he called the authorities, they started interrogating him! They were married 56 years! Never was there any violence whatsoever. No calls to 911...nothing! They just have to blame someone nowadays...it has to be somebody's fault! My aunt was like 73 ...and not in the greatest of health! The police tried to say that there was no way my uncle would have slept thru her passing...really? Cause the medical examiner said she just quietly stopped breathing due to a heart attack which she just drifted into a coma and died. Peacefully.
At least it was in a warm bed next to a loved one.
@@clownchaostime3024 some cops are knuckle heads 😳. Not all, but some.
@@clownchaostime3024 although it seems ridiculous, that’s just standard protocol for when someone discovers a body. Murder or not, they’re still questioned just in case it was foul play. even in situations of someone passing in their sleep, it could have been induced by drugs or maybe they were suffocated, so all possibilities are considered
The realization that you are going to die (lost, out of air, trapped etc) would have to be the worst feeling ever. Something that could have been prevented. One unlucky diver insisted on diving a wreck at Truk drunk, alone and in the dark. Guessing he's still down there somewhere.
#1 rule in scuba diving: never hold your breath. Always breath. Because if you ascend holding your breath the alveoli in your lungs can pop. #2 rule in scuba diving: NEVER dive alone! ALWAYS dive with a Buddy! I did scuba for many years, and always followed these & other rules.
THERE’S A DIVER THAT LIVED in a cave for Several weeks. He was lost underwater, but found an airpocket. He then waited to be rescued, but eventually died of starvation 4 weeks later (estimated)
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@@electrictroy2010 I remember the case you're talking about. He had to wait in pitch blackness after his batteries wore out. Weeks, starving, in the dark.
Storytime! (attention: kinda gross)
My mother's uncle was a firefighter and his team was called to a burning house that one time. When they were able to put out the ridiculous amount of flames, they went in to examine the interior. There was still a lot of smoke, so it was quite foggy and they were wearing masks for their protection. Suddenly, his colleague stepped into something which made kind of a crunchy noise and as they looked down to see what it was, they discovered the burned body of a man, which was crispy on the outside but boiled soft on the inside (so: ew).
It turned out that this man had divorced his wife but he didn't want her to keep the whole house for herself to live in with the children, so he decided to burn it down. He started pouring gasoline from the bottom up: downstairs to first floor, etc. By the time he went back down the gases had already spread so when he lit the match... he was done for. The outside of his body burned so quickly that the insides remained unharmed, or rather boiled into a soft, gross mass.
And now THAT'S a corpse I wouldn't like to discover.
(to anyone who read this: thanks for reading it lol)
Larizzo らりっぞ
Wow. Thanks for the story!
eewww
Crispy on the outside, moist and tender within!
Lmao, what an idiot. Thanks for the story
Grim 😱
... And I start hyperventilating when I go into a cave in Minecraft.
The Fire Breathing Cat I feel you 😔 I ran out bc I got ambushed
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😂🤣 dude me too
Hey aren't you my sister? My sister does this every single time
omg i literally can’t go alone
I am afraid of dying unprepared after not having had a fulfilled life.
I'm so glad they managed to get all 13 boys and coach alive from the caves in Thailand, they literally did the impossible
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Shakes head around all crazy... Goes right back to perfection. 💞
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That's the mane reason for watching her channel.
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@@STARDRIVE I see what you did there
"I want to know what YOUR corpse related phobias are!"
Me: This now, thanks to you!
Big Same!
Yes!
Yep! Plus buried alive. 😱 But I've had a fear of underwater corpses wayyyyy before this video.
Yep 😬
You’re all welcome.😌
When my husband was in his first year of being a police officer he found a poor elderly man who had died in his home. He was there a long time so maggots had started eating his flesh, in particular, his face. Half of his face skin and muscle was gone and the worst part... his sweet little dog had join in on the nibbling 😭 I did some research to find out whether my dog would nibble on me if I died in the house and turns out, most dogs would! Anyway, this is my corpse fear. Seeing a half eaten corpsey.
I can't look at my pet maggot the same anymore.
@@rollinlikebuer9059 pet WHAT
oh yikes, i feel sorry for that old man, he died alone 😔
CZcams has videos of corpses found months later. If it’s an apartment, the fluid sometimes drips through the ceiling of the neighbors below
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I've given my dog & cats firm instructions that if I die & no one finds out for a while (I live alone), they should eat me rather than die. I love the little guys & don't want them dying a horrible death, too.
A really moving thing I discovered while reading more about this whole topic: David Shaw's website is still up. I find it to be really moving, a personal website he made himself in the early 2000s, simple and clean, with his pictures and dive reports, and a page dedicated to the organization of Deon Dryer's body recovery attempt. It is very sombering and sad, knowing what happened to him, but I am kinda glad it's still available to show how and why he loved this sport. It really feels as if a bit of him is still alive.
That seems kind of sweet. I think I'll go have a look.
Oh wow, he was a pilot too! It looks like a very interesting site. What a cool guy.
My personal corpse fear: waking up to find my partner has died while we were sleeping in the same bed.
That would have to be mine as well. Something about the thought of falling asleep next to them, not knowing in the morning they would be passed. that would terrify and scar me.
In fairness, they died beside the one they love. I would rather go that way.
A little creepy, I would of course leave the bed, but not a terrible thing.
big same
@@JodyParsons Oh, I'm sure it's great for the person that died. It's waking up to find the person I love cold and gone, and wondering why I didn't wake up, how did I not know, I'm lying right there, and how long have they been dead? I suppose if you were in circumstances where it's a relief instead of a surprise, it might be alright with a new mattress, but that's not really what I'm talking about.
Cave diving or just being in small caves period is terrifying. Not the small spaces that scare me, but rather that you can't be saved sometimes if you're stranded.
Just look at John Jones. He got stuck in the Nutty Putty cave in Utah back in 2009. He got stuck upside down. They tried for 27 hours to get him out but in the end he passed away. His body is still there and the cave has been sealed shut. They even made a movie about it, The Last Decent. Great movie and fit for the whole family.
Exactly.
TheJer1963 The Nutty Putty Cave? That is . . . an inappropriately hilarious name for such a place.
As a scuba diver, my ace in the hole is the thought that if everything goes wrong I can always just drop my weights and float to the surface. Take away my escape path and NOPENOPENOPE
Breanna Thompson Like on Everest! 😢
“Do you have any nightmares about death?” No but if I keep binge watching this channel I might. 😂
THERE’S A DIVER THAT LIVED in a cave for Several weeks. He was lost underwater, but found an airpocket. He then waited to be rescued, but eventually died of starvation 4 weeks later (estimated)
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As a parent I've always been terrified to find my children dead in the morning. My husband too. Finding a loved one dead would haunt me.
Always remember, "Fun" is the first 3 letters of "funeral"!
This joke will make a fine addiction to my collection
Also if you mix last four letters around and move fun to the back it spells real fun.
Holy cow 🐄 never noticed that 😳
Deep underwater caving is not
'earnful'
R/cursedcomments
I have lived my whole life according to one simple rule: if you see a hole in the ground (or water) DON'T GO INTO IT.
I also follow this rule. I don't like deep, dark holes like that. Too scary.
I am a mole so burrowing is unavoidadable for me. I see it as just one of those things ya know mole life n all dat its just a hazard of the trade 👍
but.. but... wonderland :(
Out of curiosity is this a rule you find yourself exercising often?
@@Scarleto always.
I‘ve been having nightmares of cavediving for no discernible reason for years and the fact that you, a DEATH EXPERT, have the same phobia, makes me feel incredibly validated 🤡
Why are you so scared of something that you’ll never do?
@@robertharrison4387 The concept
@@Sanee650 I’m scared because I always think well what happens if someone kidnaps me and puts me their Or what happens if I just wake up there 😮
@@DeReAntiqua Bruh chill I‘m just claustrophobic
EVERY 4000 CAVEDIVES == 1 DEATH. It’s a legitimate concern. For comparison, cars average 3,000,000 trips per death
This quickly became my fear after watching this video, so in class when asked about our greatest fears and I responded with cave diving corpses my teacher responded with "Okay so apparently we're also gaining new fears today!". So this video made at least two people gain a new fear, sweet!
THERE’S A DIVER THAT LIVED in a cave for Several weeks. He was lost underwater, but found an airpocket. He then waited to be rescued, but eventually died of starvation 4 weeks later (estimated)
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Hey, Caitlin...I'm the guy who shot the photos of the death mask. I've got two stories you're going to hate.
The first was many years ago, and my friend Scott and his close friend who were ABSOLUTELY inexperienced divers decided to cave dive. It wasn't at a great depth, but they were full of youthful hubris and did it anyway. Scott's friend went ahead. Silt was kicking up turning everything into a cloud. Scott then lost sight of his friend and decided to continue into the cave. His friend's light had gone out and he found him wide-eyed stuck between two columns. Somehow he managed to get him free and they started their exodus. Then Scott's light goes out. They are now in pitch darkness with no sense of their direction. Then Scott realizes that at the last minute before he left his apartment, he took a waterproof penlight and stuck it in his back pocket. They're lives were saved by a simple penlight. The story still haunts me to this day.
The second story is of my friend TJ. He was a Navy Seal during Desert Storm who saw (and did) things he can't talk about. But TJ was hounded by the fact that the sound of fingernails being clipped would disturb him to his core. He then realized that it was the exact same sound of bones being broken underwater. He was on an underwater intel retrieval mission from a downed submarine and in doing so many bodies were blocking his way. So he basically had to snap their bones to get them out of the way.
Heh, so that's my offering tonight. Huge fan of your channel. Buying your book, but since I'm in LA I would want you to sign it for me. I'll even buy you lunch!
kevissimo wow. Amazing stories. Did the pen light get framed and hung on the wall? Unreal, but so fortunate!
Wow interesting stories!
Thanks! Yeah, I should ask him. It still freaks me out to think about it...
Thanks! My Navy Seal friend has a lot more. He just can't tell me...
What wetsuit has back pockets? And who drives to a dive site in the suit they wear in the water? I've got hundreds of dives, and not once have I either had a suit with back pockets nor have I driven around in a wet (or dry for that matter) suit.
This makes me think of the diver who lost his life trying to rescue that soccer team from a cave.
Yup! Except no one really reported it cause they were too busy talking about the kids and their rescue. Poor guy. That must have been terrifying.
@@chandracox6814 NPR reported it and did a long dedication talking about him. It was very sad.
Yeah! (but it wasn't in Thailand)
@@chandracox6814 You're right about that. This is my first time hearing about that guy and I thought I was fairly familiar with the event through news outlets.
Zombie Love Squad NPR?
My death "phobias" are always related to not being able to breathe. So this was particularly terrifying for me too. 😐😳😨
THERE’S A DIVER THAT LIVED in a cave for Several weeks. He was lost underwater, but found an airpocket. He then waited to be rescued, but eventually died of starvation 4 weeks later (estimated)
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My new insult, “You’re a nightmare, shut up!” 😭🤣
Caitlin: *lets out low shriek*
Subtitles: "soft melodic music"
Nora 7:11?
Lol
Chemeleon15 yep! ^_^
I 100% read the title as care giving corpses and started imagining corpses in doctors and nurses uniforms. Not as creepy as this.
that could actually be the premise for something awesome...
andrineslife when I saw it, I briefly thought it meant corpses that reanimate to/and go cave diving for kicks, like why are you so scared about these nice zombies having a lovely vacation Caitlin 😂
andrineslife I read it as cake diving corpses.
In retrospect, free dive swimming towards the mouth of the cave where one of my friend's dad's best friends died is far scarier than I had thought in the moment
THERE’S A DIVER THAT LIVED in a cave for Several weeks. He was lost underwater, but found an airpocket. He then waited to be rescued, but eventually died of starvation 4 weeks later (estimated)
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Imagine cave diving and you get through a crevasse and you see a diver. Your not too worried but then you realize it’s not moving, then you see their hands and mouth are decaying
That literally would never happen.
You don't decay in water, depends on temperature of the water too, you bloat/turn soupy, and if you see a corspe in a crevasse that's not part of the guide/map/is unexplored or off limits you're most likely about to become a buddy to it.
@@Julia_BH > refuses to elaborate
@@emptyjelly GG
@@AmatuerHourCoding check out dive talk’s YT channel. But I can elaborate a little.
1. When cave diving, you have to give a call-out. This is letting people know: where you are, how long you’ll be there, and when to expect you back. If no call out is made, someone like Edd Sorenson would be searching the cave within hours of that diver being lost. I’m actually fairly certain that no diver has ever been “found” out of random due to call-outs. Most cave diving deaths are from people who were scuba certified, where they also have to give a call out, so even the people dumb enough to do this are smart enough to give a call out.
2. Caves are dived frequently. As in, daily in most cases. A decaying body would bring every fish down in there. That’s a sign that something is decaying and again, the body would be found probably within a day or two of them drowning due to this.
3. Water can be tested for decomposition at the surface. A decaying body gives off certain chemicals.
4. In the extremely rare chance someone went cave diving without a call out and drowned there, that means they aren’t cave certified and since the majority of caves are springs (push water out) the body would likely float to the surface as someone who isn’t cave certified would not get very far into the cave system.
4. If they somehow managed to get deep into the cave system, without a call out, without any wild life present (I honestly can’t think of anywhere where this is the case though), and it was not a cave that had been explored before, the people who would eventually stumble upon that body would likely be cave explorers. The majority of cave explorers that exist currently are also part of rescue and recovery teams, so it would not be terrifying for them as they are used to going on body recovery missions. Besides Edd there are many others such as Brian Kakuk, Jill Heinerth, Mike Young, and plenty more.
Basically this has never happened and the chance of coming across a body as a new cave diver or even as a long-time cave diver is virtually 0.
The only time this could really happen is if the diver went in JUST before you and died along the way. In that case, the diver wouldn’t have decomposed yet. I’m sure this would be quite traumatic but I also haven’t heard of this happening before either, but there could be a story I haven’t heard yet, I’m not sure. The closest thing I’ve heard is people gearing up to enter the cave and being alerted that someone didn’t make it back out, almost always bc they weren’t cave certified. Generally the diver’s dive suddenly turns into a body recovery mission. So the same person that would have discovered the body is now the one pulling the body out anyway. There are only about 350 total deaths from cave diving so there aren’t that many to know/analyze. The majority of those aren’t recent either.
Don’t quote me as I may have gotten a few things wrong. I would recommend Dive Talk as they are both certified cave divers and very knowledgeable on this issue. You can actually ask them directly and they will respond to you. Mike Young would also probably be willing to answer this. You can find him on the Dive Talk FB page. The others I mentioned don’t spend a lot of time on social media and they already have been interviewed on body recovery missions. You can find their interviews on YT.
My corpse-related fear is simply a "surprise corpse", a corpse that at first you don't notice or that doesn't look like a corpse and because of that you walk around or near it withouth noticing its a cadaver
A ton of corpses apparently look just like mannequin parts and it's terrifying.
This is giving me nam flashbacks of me being 13 and finding my tiny tortoise baby in his den after he apparently drowned in his drinking water :,[
That shock, like the most dread filled "Oh my god no" feeling standing all hairs on end.
HE WAS SO YOUNG!!!
@A. D. Why were you picking anything up for the purpose of throwing it at your dog?
@@samuelrs5138 Maybe they was playing catch?
That did happen one halloween. An old man passed away on his front porch and people thought he was just decoration. I think the smell and the fact no one put him away after halloween may have tipped them off.
"When the Grim Reaper's there beckoning you, saying 'Come on in, the water's fine.' maybe you should rethink this adventure." 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Lol, that Grim Reaper must be from The Sims 3 Island Paradise 😂
Fun fact, that same sign is at the entrance of most explored cave systems in America at least. Quite the disconcerting feeling the first time you come up to one.
As an avid caver and cave diver I have found 3 decomposing bodies (all of which have been children who fell into old mine shafts 💔) and 1 diver that had his oxygen lines ripped 😪.
It’s always tough to go through. Though I am glad there are body recovery experts who help families get their loved ones back ❤️
What freaks me out about death: the way you won't know how much it will hurt.
Your admission helps me feel like my fears are more normal.
On that note, I found a snake in my house this morning and I only cried for 20 minutes!
That's 47 minutes less than you could have cried!
you found it *in* your house? and only cried for 20 minutes?
if i were in your place i would be sitting in a hotel, watching the flames engulf my then past home on the news.
Snakes are our friends! They eat annoying rodents.
Ojereader I too, have also found a snake in my home. In the bathroom. Usain Bolt had nothing on me that day as I ran from the room
Why the fear of snakes? Most are harmless and don't even bite when handled (yes, I'm including wild ones).
Grew up in Minnesota. Training for divers rescue as a teen. Thought it would be cool being a real life superhero, until one practice dive in a lake that had mad thick weeds with next to no visibility, and as I pushed some tall grass aside, I ran face first into a corpse. She had been there for quite some time, and the fish had gotten to her. Thankfully my diving instructor was with me because i started to hyperventilate at 20ft down and lost my apparatus. That was the last time I ever went diving. We weren't looking for bodies that day (I was 16, and not even allowed to join the rescue team till 18...), it was just to practice diving in dark waters. Never again.
And people in the comments claim “Finding a corpse is rare.” I’ve now read several stories where people unexpectedly found bodies
There was a TV show called Rescue 911 in the 90s and as a kid I remember watching the episode about a bunch of cave divers in a sink hole, and the guy who goes in to rescue them encountering their dead bodies and it was traumatizing. There is a long list of "we are going to recover the corpse of our friend from the cave" plans that only end up adding to the corpse pile. Nope nope nope.
Thanks. I worked in a hospital for around 20 years - from the age of 18 into my late 30s. I worked both in & out of direct patient care. One duty was to transport dead bodies to the morgue, which we code-named, "Room 13." I've seen open, infected (and non-healing) wounds, had patients vomit, pee, poop, etc. I've seen patients code out. I've had to dress out for isolation patients. The one thing that really got to me was the smell. I wouldn't be bothered by the bodies themselves, or by the idea of them decaying. But the smell would definitely get to me. That's a deal-breaker. I just don't think I could ever get used to it. I'd want to be breathing clean air! I can smell things others can't, or smell them before others do. That's my kryptonite! tavi.
I used to work at a funeral home doing odd jobs and picking up bodies to bring back to the funeral home. My only major fear was that I would have to move a body that still had air in its lungs causing it to make a moaning sound when pressure was applied to the chest. (Pressure caused the air to escape through the throat which in turn made moaning/grunting sounds.) 😳😧😱😭😭😭😭 Thankfully my coworkers were nice and knew about my fear, so they would warn me, "Miss Jones in the prep room is a moaner, watch out." I was able to steer clear of the noisy ones thanks to their warnings!!! Bless their hearts. THAT is my #1 corpse fear.
FUCK THAT!
Oh damn...sounds so creepy!
My beloved (yet cranky) kitty of sixteen years communicated almost exclusively via growling and took growling to an art form. She passed away about a week ago. Afterward, she expelled some air upward through her mouth, and in doing so, it sounded just like she was growling! It made me happy, because it felt like she was just trying to get the last word as she always did! I thought I'd tell you this (funny?) one to see if it allayed your fear a bit. Did it work? R.I.P., Bijoux.
That's a sweet story. Thank you for sharing.
Ha! I'm a paramedic and usually I only run 911 calls, but one time years ago I caught a "body haul" with my partner. We picked the guy up and he was a huge man. It was just the 2 of us and we had a hard time removing him from his house because of his size and the logistics. This resulted in us having to manipulate him quite a bit, which caused trapped air to become dislodged. We were travelling down the road and hit a series of bumps that caused the body to start "moaning". My partner yelled some curse words, jumped on the brakes, slammed the ambulance in park (in the middle of the street) and bailed out. I was laughing so hard that it took me 15 minutes to get him calmed down and coaxed back into the truck by explaining what had happened. He had no idea a corpse could do that and was super freaked out. All of this to say, you are not alone in your fear.
My main fear is if I die someone will describe me in an obituary as "bubbly" . It's like the polite word for zero personality. In more related news I lived near a quarry that was flooded when I was younger and a number of people over time departed to the nether in it. Including someone that disappeared entirely. Presumed drowned. Some years later me and my friend found an exposed large pipe as the water had receded some way. Inside we discovered some impressive ooky stuff that we decided to smear onto the walls of the tunnel as a joke. Some weeks later it was announced that they'd found rems of... Including bodily fluids of said rems "smeared across the area of the find". Me and my friend where obviously marginally horrified.
BloodAeorin same I'm a loser and I always tell my husband if I was ever on one of those crime shows when they asked people how was she when she was alive there would be an long silent pause
Oh god 😨
I know right, being called bubbly would be horrific :|
+BloodAeorin Hey, it could be worse. I read the newspaper every day, and I do skim the obituaries. I read an obituary earlier this year that went on and on describing the deceased's high school football accomplishments. And that was pretty much it. Oh, and this was not a young person. This was an old dude. I guess his life peaked at age 18, and he had nothing noteworthy happen in his long life since then? Now that would really suck.
Only worse description than "bubbly" is "perky." If anyone DARES describe me as perky, I'm coming back from the grave and I'm going to haunt that person for the rest of his/her life. I won't be nice either; I'll break their stuff. No mirror or wineglass will be safe.
When I was a kid, I watched some show about possible apocalypses. I was inconsolable about a particular type that gave me intense anxiety, cosmic or planetary scale disasters, especially unforeseen ones. The thought that on that very night while I slept a black hole careening through space or a gamma ray burst aimed at us or an asteroid that we hadn't spotted could destroy the planet entirely or at least sterilize the surface relatively quickly before the sun rose or I even woke up, was deeply terrifying and disturbing to me. It was, in retrospect, one of the first moments in which I realized how little control we have, how little is guaranteed, how much taken for granted, and bluntly how I could die at any moment with no warning. I was too young to understand the practical philosophy of accepting control over what I could and not worrying too much about things beyond my control, and my parents could only really say "that won't happen" but obviously had no proof or guarantee to give me. I wish they had thought some of this through to at least be able to try to explain to me a bit better, before I got to that moment in my childhood, though of course I wouldn't wish it on them to have to grapple with it while so young. So I guess that's my death nightmares... that and being mid free-fall with no way to stop, or an unexpected parachute failure. I can't comprehend what the last thoughts would be like for people sucked out of airplanes in an explosive decompression would be like as they fell to Earth.
Black holes & gamma ray stars are easily detected. We’d know ahead of time. Asteroids rarely hit… last was 70,000,000 years ago. You’re more likely to die of normal stuff, like car accidents
BTW planes have lost air, but people don’t explode. They just lose consciousness
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This is definitely one of those things where I could live the rest of my life perfectly content with never having experienced it.
Drowning sounds horrifying.
yas.
Your sister from another mister
I almost drowned in high school so I can confirm that it is indeed horrifying. I know I wasn't under the water that long but it felt like ages. Its was weird feeling claustrophobic because I couldn't breathe while at the same time feeling around and not being able to feel anything but water. No floor, no walls....no anything except water. 😖
Your sister from another mister There is an amazing video by Claire Winekand called 'what it feels like to die'. She didn't drown but was however suffering from a continuous and worsening lack of oxygen, so the symptoms are probably similar to drowning.
As someone who drowned and was brought back...not really. Maybe it's because I was so young and didn't know what was happening (just a lot of bobbing) so there wasn't really terror just "must turn around before mom sees me floundering after she told me not to go here...", but beyond that...not too bad.
NOW however, knowing what was going on might make it worse.
Drowning is bad... but drowning while in a underwater cave is far worse.I forgot the name, but read of one guy who got lost while cave diving, to avoid the horror of drowning there, he committed suicide. according to the article (if true) becoming the first (known) guy to commit suicide while cave diving.
I do want to say that based on one of Shaw's friend's presence and testimony during that event, Dave Shaw knew the danger he was putting himself in through retrieving the body of his friend, and knew about the large chance he could die during that dive. He was mentally prepared, believing that even if he passed he would do so doing something he felt he needed to do for that family. There was an entire team on site, and plans for the dive were charted out to the second. So this dive was dangerous, but the people involved were not ignorant of what they were facing. Bless their souls.
That other dude's parents should never have encouraged him to go.
@@camojoe83 they didn't encourage him, the gave him their permission to bring him back
@@raulduke9721 They should have told him to just leave him there. Now there are two families who have lost loved ones. Only now one family has the guilt of knowing one death could have been avoided if they just said no.
Oops. I keep reading the comment threads while watching the videos and giving myself spoilers. I need to stop that, lol.
@@krampusklaws2238 Deon's parents may feel some guilt but Dave's family hold no animosity towards them, Dave was going to do the dive as he believed he had found a route that went further, if Deon's parents had said no, Dave would have probably left the body and tried the route and the end result could have just as easily been 2 bodies. As it is he chose to retrieve Deon and not try to beat his own record, but either way he was going back down.
After digging deep into David Shaw's story, that guy is one of my heroes. To have the bravery to go down that far, and manhandle a 10 year old corpse, in the pitch black dark, all alone, with just a flash light, takes another level of human. To know he got tangled in the line with Deon's body, and died, is haunting.
The craziest part is that David got it all on camera up to his last moments :(
As someone who is both PADI certified in several levels of diving, and someone who generally doesn't mind touching the deceased in a reverent way, I have had to several times HARD NO out of being asked to recover bodies or do a search for a person who is presumed (if they're calling me, they are looking for someone who is obviously) dead. I share your feelings on that entire situation, and in the interest of my own emotional health, I cannot go to that place. I agree with you- the entire idea is horrifying, soul-killing, and just all-over bad to have to consider.
I mean, that makes perfect sense. Most human corpses present no danger to the living, but if you encounter a human corpse in diving equipment in an underwater cave, it immediately tells you that:
1) You have found an experienced diver,
2) Who proved unable to survive the challenge,
3) of being EXACTLY WHERE YOU ARE RIGHT NOW.
Exactly right
your comment freaked me out, congrats 😂
It's the thought that somebody died doing what you're doing. Cave diving is acting out a death wish. Nuh-uh, no thanks.
Fuck man, that's terrifying
That is the same thing with the mount everest corpses.
Short story:
There was a group of beginner divers out with their dive master and they were just eploring a beautiful area. When the beginner divers saw a large cave they wanted to go inside. The dive master signaled no and to surface and began going up (which he shouldnt have done). You need special training to do cave diving. But the beginners declined to listen and went in the cave anyway without their dive master knowing. When he surfaced and they didnt he immediately called a team to come help find them as he couldnt find 3 divers on his own without endangering himself. They took roughky 6 hours to find the divers because the cave split off multiple times and it was practically a maze. They ended up finding 2 divers dead and one with brain damage. The last one only survived because he found a small poecket of air but he used it all up pretty quickly and suffered from severe brain damage.due to lack of oxygen in his brain.
So if youre out diving and your dive master tells you not to do something, dont do it. They have gone through literal years of training and over 50 dives to get to dive master and I'm sure they have a reason to tell you not to do something.
50 dives is nothing. I don’t doubt that some dive masters might have as few as 50 dives, as people get sucked into the classes and dive certification system. Typically however you might go out and do two dives in a day. Maybe one if you’re meeting up with your dive buddy after work, or up to 7 a day if you’re on a live aboard dive boat.
Personally, I wouldn’t want to take any instruction from a dive master who had less than 500 dives.
Curtis Larson When I did the first level certificate, it said that I’d have to do at least 50 dives to take on the exam for next level and there where 5 levels, all with more dives required, while for an instructor it’s this+extra dives and exams of course. 50 is indeed nothing. But I appreciate the story, even thougy it’s pretty sad.
The idea of finding a body underwater is why i decided not to pursue underwater archaeology. I really don't want to see a human face down there where I'm not expecting it
THERE’S A DIVER THAT LIVED in a cave for Several weeks. He was lost underwater, but found an airpocket. He then waited to be rescued, but eventually died of starvation 4 weeks later (estimated)
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My two biggest fears would be not having room to move, like in a cave (underwater or not), in a spaceship whose pressure is compromised, or in my own grave, and being hurt or tortured to the point of death, Spanish Inquisition or serial killer style
I’m terrified of the idea of being buried alive, or being put in a casket/coffin six feet underground while unconscious and waking up with no means of escaping.
Chances of that happening are low, but every time I’ve seen or read this in media, it freaks me out.
Buried alive? That's why some caskets have reading lights, a book of jokes, and a bag of gummi bears.
Witt Wittwer oh man! That makes me feel so much better.
Same! This is why I want to donate my organs. There's no way I'm waking up in a coffin if I haven't got a heart
Eerie0Innocence
You wouldn't last long because you'd run out of oxygen.
You could always request that they put a mobile device or tablet in the coffin with you, with a video copy of 'The Premature Burial' ( czcams.com/video/cSL6IveVPvU/video.html ) on it to watch in the darkness of the coffin as the air gets used up....damn that catalepsy !
*"Come on in the water's fine!"*
Yeah, sorry, not today, Death.
and that is what you say to the God of Death
I used to have a house in Playa del Carmen, MX, and did a lot of open ocean water, and cenote diving while there. A cenote is a sort of half open fresh-water cave and the other half (or more) is still under the rest of the overhead terrain. Most of these are quite cavernous, but sometimes there would be other "rooms" that you could get to from the main area. There was always a guide line connected to the wall of these areas so that we could go in a specified distance, then turn around and follow the guide line back. One time, there was a smaller passage between the main area and another room that required us to remove our BC jackets/tanks, keeping the regulator in our mouths, shove our gear through the hole in front of us (it was a short passage, maybe 5-6 feet), then put it back on when we got into the other area. Oddly, I was never frightened during any of these adventures. We also never went into any deep caverns, they were all quite shallow.
My favorite cenote was my first. It was absolutely HUGE, and the mouth of the cave lit it up pretty well (we always had flashlights anyways). There were white stalactites and white stalagmites in the water, it was so beautiful. It was a Sunday morning, and it was like the most beautiful "church" I'd ever had the privilege of entering. Surreal and spiritual, that one was.
There were also a couple of times we did cenotes that were close to ocean water, so there was a layer of fresh water and ocean water, and where those layers met was called a "halocline" and looked like water trying to mix with oil. It was a thin layer and when you passed through it, it blurred your vision for just a moment. It also slightly refracted the surrounding area looking through it from one layer to the other. Really cool.
One day while simply relaxing outside of an open cenote that had a connected cave, a diver came up out of the water that had not gone in. I asked him where he came from. He said he was following the chain of underwater rivers that connect the cenotes. Okay.....now THAT would scare the bejeezus out of me. And he was ALONE! Nope, nope, nope.......
The scariest thing I ever saw inside of a cave (it was a very small cave, maybe 15' in) was a green moray eel (and to me, that wasn't scary). We got to pair up and go in to look at it, then go out. Unfortunately the person I was paired up with was holding my flashlight, and he freaked when he saw the moray, shoved me nearly face-to-face into it as leverage to turn and go out, leaving me in his kick-dust to go toward the mouth of the cave, which at least I could still see. He was about 30 feet from the cave entrance when I came out. Sheesh!
I was always hoping we'd never encounter anything like a dead body. Not sure how I'd react to that. That's probably what would finally freak me out underwater.
I have been retrieving corpses from shipping accident for 20 years but nothing freaks me out. The only death that I afraid of is seeing my wife die and couldn't help. Since she's my only anchor to life.
finding corpses in the water in general is a trauma of mine. I used to work as a comercial fishermen and the fish we got most profit on (seabass) liked the openings between islands were the water got nice and turbulent and in the middle would be a quit place were they would pick off smaller fish that would hide from the tidal wirlpools (not pirates of the caribean stuff, more like the wirls you see in big rivers) and we fished with long passive nets that had to be pulled out by hand. Turns out the middle of these wirls was also were bodies would settle down from UK, france, germany and the netherlands due to the way the sea current took them. Most of these bodies would be skinned by crabs but still have tendons and some soft tussiue left. Imagine that coming up from the waves in the middle of the night.... underwater corpse=no
So did you just throw them in with the seabass for extra weight?
Finding bodies in water is my biggest phobia ugh
This (kind of tangentally) reminds me of something I saw on another channel, Practical Engineering, which has... heh, really stayed with me since. Not so much about finding bodies, just a really shitty way to die.
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tl;dw: there are certain types of innocuous-looking low dams/weirs that, in the right conditions, create a strong vertically circular current at their base. Think of a whirlpool turned on its side underwater. Civil engineers call these "keepers" (or alternatively, "perfect drowning machines"), because once something is caught in that current, it stays there, getting violently shoved back and forth between the surface and the river bed pretty much indefinitely. That goes for branches and other debris as well as swimmers and kayakers, so getting stuck in one is like getting trapped in an industrial-sized dryer with a couple of cinder blocks to keep you company- underwater. I can only imagine the state of the bodies that get pulled out of these things.
The best part is that those current conditions can sometimes be hard to spot from the surface, and many of the dams that produce this effect are abandoned and can be devoid of signage.
@@ColdsideRamrod Wow that is super interesting (and educational) - thanks for sharing that link! I totally just subb’ed to that channel
I’m a recreational shark diver, so I spend my time in the shallow Caribbean in the company of the resident species. I’ve never been cave diving, and you know, I have to say, I think encountering a scuba cave corpse might actually be my worst corpse scenario, too. I’d probably panic, tear through my own air, hit my tank valve on the cave ceiling, lose my regulator, fkn drown and join him or there on the cave floor. NO THANK YOU. I will stay in the shallows with my shark friends.
Mme. Lee shark friends are the best friends
@@ronniejay272 🦈💙
I imagine my cave diving death to be the same. Surprise, panic, accident, death. No thanks.
You prefer to dive with your friends:
Baaaaaby Sharky, do do do do
Mommy Sharky, do do do do
Daddy Sharky, do do do do
Sorry, I've had to get it out of my head. Bye!
I’m a recreational advanced open water and I’m just gonna say:
Nah man fuck that
I have a phobia of caves in general, but my corpse fear is being stuck in a small enclosed space with a corpse. I watched Megan is missing as a tween and this became a fear of mine.
cave diving, but not under water, like that dude that got stuck upside down in a tiny spot in a cave and he knew he was basically toast but it took ages for him to finally suffocate. 😭😭😭
My neighbor committed suicide Twp weeks ago. No one knew for a week. The smell was so overwhelming. Your videos have helped me deal with my irrational fears I've had because of this . thank you Caitlin
Makayla Olson sorry that happened to you. Sounds tramatising :(
I feel bad that I feel bad\freaked out. It just means that I need to work on my own fears.
I've experienced that smell three times, you can smell it just thinking about it .. I can sympathize
I'm so sorry.
don't feel bad. you're human, and it's a human reaction. i imagine even an experienced funeral director would be upset at the death of a neighbor, especially a suicide.
For all those that are interested in my dive team. One of my former team members is going to make a movie in September back in Massachusetts. We will try to get as many members together as we can. We will film in as many locations as we can. You will get to meet other men and women who were there with me.
Wow sir! I saw your other comment, read through the entire thread. I am interested! Would love to be a part of this in any way possible! :)
Me too ^^^
I hope your team is still able to make the film, despite the state of things right now. Is love to see it eventually.
Please keep us updated!!!
Please mention the name here later,I'd love to watch it!
As a diver, I can’t even imagine the horror of finding a body at a dive site. I’m definitely more of the open water ocean diver than cave explorer but I see the appeal for people to explore the unknown and unseen.
Thank you to those that perform the selfless act of recovering someone’s loved one!! I simply cannot imagine a more frightening, terrible, and haunting task!! And at the risk of losing your own life. For the remaining loved ones, I imagine it isn’t about seeing their remains, but the comfort in knowing they have been laid to rest whether burial or cremation. That they aren’t trapped in the place and circumstances that cost them their life. Again I thank you for your compassion, bravery, and empathy you possess in order to bring a loved one home!!! 😔😢😵💫👏🏼❤️🩹🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
A body is not worth sending another person to their doom after.
For the record, David went down on his own accord after some time of considering. When he initially found the body he left it there to rest, but then talked to the parents and *on his own influence* decided to retrieve their son. Was it risky and reckless? Yes. He absolutely should’ve not gone back, but I can commend him for the selflessness.
Indeed
You are commending a DEAD man..... he was stupid and paid for that stupidity with his life
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You must be a millennial
No man left behind
at age 16 i told my mother that i wanted to dive with sharks, and so she gifted me a diving course, from then on we both started diving, in 2016 we travelled to Egypt to try and dive the blue hole, there is literally a divers cementary right there and a local diver has a daily task of recovering bodies, a fellow diver died days prior and as we were getting ready to dive i told my mother, im ready but if i get nytrogen narcosis dont try and get me, if i die dont try and get me and she told `you`re my daughter, of course i Will try and get you no matter what` it was at that moment that i said, thats it, not doing it, i can risk my life but would never risk my mothers life, so we just dived around the área and was beautiful. its safe to say, im not going cave diving any time soon.
Woah that’s crazy
lexy games damn, I once told my mom I wanted to go to the McDonalds play place and I still haven’t gotten the visit so imagine when I told her I wanted to go to diving classes
@shib well, it ain't.
@shib not really....
But don't u have to be 18 to even take the PADI Advanced Open Water Diver course before u can even enroll in Cavern diving classes? Good thing u didn't go cuz u would both be dead for sure. U need more than basic diving classes that u can take under the age of 18 to see fish.
I absolutely love the idea of swimming in a huge underwater cavern close to the surface with sunlight shining down, but the thought of getting stuck between rocks in a cave underwater is absolutely terrifying.
Neither attracted nor terrified by death. It's right up there with eating, pissing, etc. Or as Mark Twain, noted ... before I was born I was effectively dead for millions of years. And I do not recall that it ever caused me the slightest inconvenience.
"Once, as Mung [God of Death] went his way athwart the Earth and up and down its cities and across its plains, Mung came upon a man who was afraid when Mung said: “I am Mung!”
And Mung said: “Were the forty million years before thy coming intolerable to thee?”
And Mung said: “Not less tolerable to thee shall be the forty million years to come!” ' --The Gods of Pegana, Lord Dunsany
My worst death fear is finding a murdered young childs body. It's horrible just knowing that the chances this child did anything to deserve such a cruel fate are damn near nonexistant, yet some jackass still took their innocent life. Not even fully aware of themselves or the world around them, yet this tiny powerless creature, in their last moments of their short life, undoubtedly felt nothing but raw instinctual fear and pain, and was consequently forced to learn pure betrayal in the worst way.
I had the exact same thoughts when I read about those two 13-year-old girls who were found murdered on a hiking trail back in February.
*twist * YOU murdered them!!
The guy who found James Bulger claims it ruined his life basically
closeronline.co.uk/real-life/news/terence-riley-found-jamie-bulger-body-blames-life-crime-ptsd/
I spent 25 years in law enforcement. You're right. Especially if you have kids of your own. It's absolutely the worst.
@@getoffmylawn8986 My mum was like that- she did autopsies for a long time. But when she had to do one for a little kid my age, she had to stop.
I'm totally with you on cave diving...it triggers too many of my phobias: suffocation, claustrophobia, getting lost. Ewwwww!
I had a feeling Shaw was gonna be mentioned...that was a messed up situation.
I have had a phobia of caves since having, when I was a child, a vivid nightmare of being trapped in one. I have no idea where it came from, but after 50 years I can still recall it, even down to the jacket I was wearing in the dream. It was of a type I'd never worn or even seen.
This phobia was made even worse by seeing a video about the Nutty Putty tragedy recently. The illustrations- uhhhhh.
Now, and thank you Caitlin, there is the added joy of water filled caves in my phobia.
Not sure how you first ended up in my feed, but you did, and from the moment I saw this title, I was thinking about my high school swim coach and friend Sheck Exley who died in a Mexican cave after I graduated college in 93. I even worked in a dive shop back then but haven't strapped on a tank since. Anyway, was going to leave a comment about him following the video, but at 2:20 his photo pops up! I could have fallen out of my seat. What a cool, soft-spoken, yet fearless dude he was. Thanks for the vid. Been a long time since I've seen his face.
Wow I read that one part of your comment as "I graduated collage at 93" instead of "In 93" and I was thinking to myself, what is the point of going to collage at 93?. 😂😂😂
@@AviationNut Nola Ochs graduated at 95! I've been told that there's someone who has surpassed her as the oldest college graduate of all, but I can't find an original source in it anyway,she was from England and died just shy of adecade after getting the diploma. She said she just wanted to prove she could. Of course, I feel the same about young people who are not going to live being made to do a bookwork. Who cares if they graduate? Just let them live what they've got, if we know what the outcome will be.
Finding a corpse underwater is one of my biggest fears as well. As an avid swimmer, I always have this fear lurking at the back of my mind when I step into a lake or ocean. BLEAGH
SAME
Cassie M. In central Texas all the lakes are dark green and you can't see your own feet while you float omg it's scary. I am also terrified of lake corpses grabbing my feet and our deep dark water is so spooky. I prefer pools.
Didn't have this fear until now. Thanks for that lol
Llamarama Dingdong in my city in central Texas, we have like 2 major tourist rivers for swimming. People die regularly during the Summer, cuz they get drunk, get under tubes, and are stuck under water. I'm so terrified to swim over one day and to see one. But luckily, they are always found exactly where they were lost.
missyblissy90 same here
Okay, but that part in the book The Hatchet where he finds the pilot's corpse in the airplane haunted me for ages. Chalk that one up under watching Artax die on the list childhood traumatic events.
David Shaw actually caught his death on camera... very disturbing video. Ironically my dive masters name is also David Shaw
I've been sucked into an underwater cave due to a waterfall I was swimming near causing a suction current in the rock wall I was up against. The water fall had carved a tunnel behind it and thus I was sucked into it. I didn't have any proper diving equipment and was left to my own resources of how long I could hold my breath and how much strength I would have to pull myself out. I did make it out due to adrenaline and a friend near by noticing I had disappeared near the waterfall however I can't help but think I could have become an underwater corpse.
Welp, I have a new phobia now.
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When I was visiting family up in the northeastern United States we were hiking and went to visit a waterfall. At the base of the fall was a small pond that had this hole that just went down into the ground into a cave system. While at the top of the fall I got too close to the water and slipped on some algae and started sliding down towards the edge. I was holding my phone at the time and the corner of it caught in the crack of a rock, stopping my fall. I managed to get back onto safe ground but afterwards I had a panic attack because not only had I almost fallen over, but if I had I would've been sucked down underground. It still freaks me out when I remember it.
I saw a two foot vortex in a pond my Bf brought me to. "Hmmmmmmm..... Suddenly I don't feel like swimming." This is a tiny vortex, mind you. But I don't fuck around with whirlpools of DEATH.... also 3/4 of the way through the video I'm out.... xD leave those corpses!
Oh my gosh, that's so scary. I once got pinned under a buoy rope at Cape May and my parents got so mad at me because I lost some Burberry sunglasses in the ordeal. I literally could've been killed by the rope pinning me underwater but they were more concerned about the cost of the sunglasses than my life.
I’m claustrophobic and the thought of cave diving freaks me out so much
“Floating soap mummy”. That is horrifying and not at all amusing. I feel bad for laughing a little at the phrasing.
Honestly, I could barely watch this without crying with fear. Literally, one of the scariest things I can imagine is to get stuck between some rocks in an underwater cave. Just saying it......I can feel my heart pounding in my chest.
My grandma used to tell me about my great grandpa, they lived in a small village and people drowning was a common cause of death there, not a lot of people were brave enough to take up the corpses( the villagers then strongly believed in ghosts and were very scared anything kind of related to it), my great grandpa was a good swimmer and a brave man, even after he got old he was still an excellent swimmwr, and back then no swimming gears were available let alone they barely had clothes to wear they had to go in as is and swim up with the corpse. One time a man had drowned and after many failed attempts by other swimmers the villagers turned to my great grandpa yet again, according to my grandma when he went to search for it the corpse was stuck between rocks and because that person had long hair, it was swaing in the water and the body was all swollen too, my great grandpa struggled to take the corpse from between the rocks and somehow take it up to the surface. And my grandma said he was certain that the others who searched for the body before him saw the corpse too but were just too scared to retrieve it, which he understood. I never realised how scary that must've been till I watch the video, now I admire my great grandpa even more!
Buried alive, trying to claw your way out of your velvet lined coffin. Utterly horrific thought.
This is the first video I’ve seen from you, I have no idea what your channel is about, but you making me giggle about soap mummies and being the definition of awkward fun excellence, it’s an instant subscribe!
The tragedy at Nutty Putty cave solidified my fear of cave diving. That poor man was trapped underwater for days, wedged upside-down in a tight crevice, until he finally succumbed to injury and exhaustion despite rescue divers’ best efforts to keep him alive and get him free. His body was deemed irretrievable, and they ultimately sealed off the cave entrance with him still inside. Just one of the saddest, most horrifying deaths I can imagine.
But was not that an ordinary cave, not a water cave? Horrific anyway 😢
Cave diver here, thanks for this. The unfortunate side of my hobby is that there is danger to it, and those that partake in it without the proper training and experience not only put themselves at risk but also also the lives of the recovery teams. When it all settles down and the investigations are done, every death can be accredited to the diver breaking one or more of the rules we follow.
Mine never grew big enough to do it. ;)
Had a couple close calls underwater over the years and they were all my fault. People don't realise it's usually some careless oversight that quickly snowballs and kills you
@@connormilne729 Yep, unfortunately that's how life is.
I love scuba diving. Done hundreds. If the cave or wreck has a diameter of 2 to 3 metres I feel ok to go in only if the current isn’t strong. Strong current, if it’s to deep (below 25 metres), small entrance, I’m to tired, it’s my 3rd dive or if it’s a night dive it’s a nope.
@@Toby3610 unless properly trained for overhead environments, please stay out.
My biggest fear is dying of hot temperatures.
Freezing to death can be peaceful in a way; I live in a very cold country, and every year there are stories about people being out in the cold, becoming increasingly tired, "falling asleep" and never waking up. Your mind is numbed at that point, and you've lost all sense of feeling and pain. I've often been so cold that I've lost the feeling in my hands and feet, that's just the way it is where I live. You feel like you don't have the body part that's freezing anymore, like your body ends there. But it isn't scary, other than the first time you experience it. It doesn't hurt, just mildly ache when you finally get inside and slowly regain the sense of feeling, your skin bright red. If you were to freeze to the point where parts of your body were dying while you're still alive, your sense of pain would be gone _long_ before that. Falling asleep because of the cold like that isn't the worst thing I can imagine. It's sad, like death always is, but at least you know they weren't hurting at the end.
But dying of boiling or burning, NONONONONONO, just N O
I think you have a video of the most gruesome way to die? I thought I could handle it, for some reason, but just, _no._ That's my biggest fear, I think. Never watched it again, whenever I get it recommended in my CZcams feed I block it faster than a bee sting and feel like I'm going to vomit. I just can't help but imagining being a bystander in that situation, hearing the screams and screams and screams and being unable to help.
*_JUST N O_*
I disagree about freezing to death, for obvious reasons.
Are you talking about the guy who fell into a manhole and was boiled to death? I was also kind of shocked at that story, it just seems like a horrible way to go.
Greetings from another cold country. As someone who has experienced some actual cold damage, I can tell you that before that numb, tired part, you do feel oddly enough, like you’re on fire. It doesn’t feel quite like burning your fingers on a match, more like an acid burn. You’re welcome.
Before the feeling of tiredness from cold is hypothermia, and let me tell you as someone who has been on their fair share of winter expeditions and winter camping trips in Canada I’ve had hypothermia several times and it is not fun, your body temperature drops so much that the only way you can get warmed back up is by having IVs carrying warm intravenous fluid put into your body to warm your blood, plus something else that comes with that (that thankfully I’ve been able to avoid) is a lot of the times frost bite when because of the cold your flesh actually starts dying and if not removed is gangrenous and can spread and kill you. To be honest, I to would prefer that over being burned alive but not by much, both deaths are very similar in the way that when you become so cold you can feel like your burning and it stings to move any parts of your body and I’ve only had hypothermia that was survivable and it was horrifying, I can’t imagine how horrible unsurvivable hypothermia must feel in the last moments.
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Why did you put yourself into that postion not just once, but several times? Once is to many for me sorry, unless it was unavoidable.
I've been camping in extreme cold conditions we planned for it. We got hit by a surprise storm not forecasted for our area. Temps went down to -40°f with wind chills down to -60°f it came while we were sleeping. Luckily there was a cabin not far from us that we got to and then left for home after the storm died down.
I just found this channel and I'm waaaay too fascinated by this oh no *gets ready for new obsession*
I would be interested in an episode on the caver who died in the Nutty Putty Caves in Utah. That story is very haunting. When I first heard about it, it disturbed me for days. The body was never able to be recovered.
I actually met David Shaw, my parents knew him through our church. I've always found the idea of cave diving terrifying because of knowing how he died.
Poor baby
Sorry for your loss. I can't imagine what his family and Friends and the family and friends of Deon must have went through. The video itself is very unsettling.
Dead hoarders. The thought of the body decomposing for god knows how long without being discovered, combined with the mess that's already there, something about it just disturbs me.
That's basically the story of the Collyer Brothers.
that was like Caitlyn's episode " The Drag Queen in the Closet" for me. The mental images that brought up for me- I had nightmares for days after watching that one.
@@TheAlkemist if those are the hoarder brothers who had traps in their house... I say the landlord did that. Hoarders know where they put their stuff for the most part. A trap is something they wouldn't forget... The landlord sprung the trap
@@whitealliance9540Doubtful, since the Collyers never let a single person into their home for decades.
Boy you're going to love Decon channels on CZcams. So fascinating but definitely on the gross end for me.
Cave diving corpse retrieval would be SUCH, SUCH a good theme to base a horror game on...
I’ve been on a few caving excursions, none underwater, and one time I was with my friends in a cave in Yorkshire and we had been in the cave about twice as long as expected and had long since run out of water so eventually we came to a river. It’s not generally advisable to drink the water in caves but I ran face first into the river anyway. We took a break in the river chamber but ended up leaving when my friend noticed grass stuck to the ceiling, which is a sign of recent flash flooding.