WHAT HAPPENED TO PEARL HARBOR'S DEAD?
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- The DAY would live in infamy, but what happened to the bodies of the thousands killed?
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Because of the identification processes my great, great uncle returned home on 08/17/2018
Private First Class Robert Holmes
I had a (not sure how many greats) Uncle who died on the U.S.S. Arizona, and they believe his body is still there
God bless Private Holmes for his service and sacrifice. I'm glad he has come home at last.
Elizabeth Aguilar if I may ask with the most sincerest respect. Where did they find the remains of your great, great uncle? I only ask because I had 2 great uncles that fought in WW II. One came home and
I had the pleasure of knowing him. The other did not and is missing to this day. May they all rest peacefully.
@@panzerlieb USS ARIZONA not sure of where on the ship but by dna submitted for geology they were able to identify some bones
Private First Class Robert Holmes shall be remembered for life.
Thank you so much for sharing his name.
Now I have another specific person to thank for my ability to wake up in this free country.
We owe all of our military absolute respect and gratitude.
Thank you for your service PFC Robert Holmes!
Rest well sir.
My Grandad was a survivor.
I didn't know until he was in his late 70s. He had a limp but I never questioned why. One day I asked my mother why grandad limped.
She and my grandmother confirmed that he was badly injured when the ship he was on was listing and a piece of unsecured machinery slid across the deck, crushing his leg and hip.
He recovered and lived the rest of his life on the family cattle ranch with a limp. Never talked about it to anyone as far as I know but interestingly enough a bunch of men showed up to his funeral that I had never met. They didn't mingle too much but paid respect to my grandmother and left. I suspect they were men he had served with.
mcpheonixx Your Grandfather is indicative to how The Greatest Generation conducted their lives. Those who experienced the horrors of war rarely, if ever, spoke of it. They served their country. They made tremendous sacrifices. They were strong. They took adversity in stride. They are to be respected.
@@katie195 For some of them, like my father, the horrors of war haunted them for the rest of their days, until they finally took their own lives. Please do not romanticize war.
Lucius1958 They’re not romanizing war, they just didn’t mention the impact on others mental health from war. Chill out dude.
Lucius1958 @ sorry your father went through such mental anguish, there was and never will be ANYTHING romantic about war, past, present and hope to god not in the future.
Blakkbiird..My father was a Gunner and also had a limp from being injured. Like your grandfather, my dad never spoke of this part of his life. Can't even imagine the horrible things they had to go through in Pearl Harbor.
My mom took care of a Pearl Survivor until his passing a few years ago. Nelson Holman was on the USS Arizona and saved a bunch of lives. He still had shrapnel in his legs and earned 2 Purple Hearts. He was like family to us. RIP
Bravo!
My grandfather was on watch. Ended overboard! He never talked much about it. He raised me. I'm 68 today. I miss him! He was a gift to myself and brother.
Thank you for letting us know how wonderful this man was.
Thank you for sharing. My dad ran ammo to the front lines in WWII he never talked about it either. He had recurring nightmares the rest of his life.
@@Kittycat822 it was a bad war! Many dead and broken! My grandfather was a strong man! With Honor and respect! I'm sure yours was too! Thank you for replying 🤗😉😃🙏💞🎶🌄
@@jeanart597 " it was a bad war! "
That implies there's such thing as a good war. There's no good wars, only reasons for war and none of them are good. The best one can pray for when talking about a war is that it was a necessary war.
M.A.S.H perhaps said it best
"Hawkeye:
War isn't Hell. War is war, and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse.
Father Mulcahy:
How do you figure, Hawkeye?
Hawkeye:
Easy, Father. Tell me, who goes to Hell?
Father Mulcahy:
Sinners, I believe.
Hawkeye:
Exactly. There are no innocent bystanders in Hell. War is chock full of them - little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for some of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander."
@@simonnachreiner8380 Thank you for the nice note! He did teach me a lot! Woundeful things most don't know how to do! My grandparents taught me lots arts! Hands on everything! I'm so proud to have had them for my parents! 🤗🙏😉💖🌄🎶💖
As always, Caitlin handled a sensitive subject with respect. As a veteran, I would like to point out that one of the reasons some rescues could not be made was because they didn't have the tools at that time to reach some of the trapped crewmembers. You mentioned that they could hear tapping for 16 days until they died, but imagine the anguish of the men on the other side who had no way to reach their crewmates. I just wanted to point out that it wasn't necessarily due to callousness or insensitivity that some of these men were not rescued. Thank you for this video.
da broncobabe thanks for your service🌻
da broncobabe I'm actually surprised Holllywood didn't get a hold of those 16 fatal days and run with it.
Thank you for your service!
Thank you!!
da broncobabe thank you for your service
I heard someone say, we die twice. First, our physical death, and second, the last time our name is spoken. These dead deserve to have their names spoken.
3 times actually. First you die, then you either pass on and live forever in either agony or bliss or you can stay behind. Then time passes and eventually you may be forgotten, this is the second death. Eventually if you stayed behind your soul gets more and more corrupt, until your conscousness fades, though your soul stays behind and becomes a poltergiest. Unless someone happens to somehow summon your conscousness back, your just gone. And this, my friend, is known only as " the long dark".
I've seen this exact comment copied & pasted several times in other videos, lol.
Sounds like a lyric from a song by Macklemore called 'Glorious.'
@@burntpieceoftoast4148 that would explain the lack of curiosity as to the long dark.
Wow...your comment gave me goosebumps. I am definitely going to share that line with my students during our next history lesson.
@@sierracallihan969 mine or hers?
While I know that part of your presentation is from the morticians point of view, I can hear it in your voice that you ACTUALLY care about our fallen sailors there in Hawaii. And for that alone, you have my deepest respect. It just makes me appreciate you even more Caitlin!
As a military historian, your accuracy and respectfulness to the topic is awesome. You definitely did your research, as always thank you for another awesome video. And of course, May the dead who died in war celebrate in Valhalla
I went to pearl harbor as a teenager on a family vacation and we met a veteran while there. He told us in explicit detail everything that he remembered from that day. It was heartbreaking to hear. He then told us that he's made the decision to be cremated and his urn will be placed into the Arizona he told us "I will rest with my brothers" 😭
I instinctively avoided that sad place opting to climb the volcano Ala Moana twice at daybreak.
If he was a survivor from Arizona that is a rare person to meet, not many made it off that ship sadly. Amazing opportunity to speak to someone like that though
@@CocoCrispy_ it’s the one thing I’ll never forget. You could see the sadness in his eyes and in his voice. And to think my family was debating on going to Pearl Harbor that day and I’d mentioned to my grandma that the one thing I wanted to do in Hawaii was go there. My late grandpa was a biology teacher and studied rocket science. He was oddly obsessed with shipwrecks so he would teach me about them at a young age. Now I feel like that was our one big connection all the history he taught me so i made a big deal about going. Not knowing it would be one of the most memorable days of my life 🖤
My great grandfather (who is still alive today) was in the military, and survived Pearl Harbor
Does he ever talk about the experience, what his job was or something? I’d imagine he has quite a story that deserves to be heard.
God bless him and his services are greatly appreciated 🇺🇸 🙏
Yout grandpa sounds like a true bad ass
Gundam Pilot My great Grandfather I believe was in the Arizona actually or one of the other hit ships.
Thank him for his service and our freedom.
There's a pretty good book called "Decent into Darkness: Pear Harbor, 1941- A Diver's Memoir" by Edward C. Raymer. The author was a U.S. Navy hard hat diver who was flown from San Diego to Pearl Harbor immediately after the attack, in order to explore the outside and sometimes the inside of the sunken ships; including the Arizona and Utah, to determine if they could be salvaged, recover valuable war materiel and eventually help raise those ships which could be fully salvaged.
Going inside a vessel meant having to memorize the ship's blueprints because all of the diver's work was performed in complete darkness. There was a thick layer of oil on the water which blocked all light from above. Mr. Raymer described entering the Arizona from the top deck and dropping into the deck below in order to reach the anti-aircraft ammunition locker. His first problem was that while walking down a corridor in complete darkness; he couldn't even see the inside of his face plate, he kept bumping into dead bodies or parts of dead bodies. This made keeping count of the number of steps he was taking; which was necessary to keep a mental picture of where he was within the ship, impossible. So the job turned into body recovery which took several hours in that one corridor, before he could even start to recover the ammunition. Recovering the bodies wasn't easy either. He couldn't see the bodies, so all of this work had to be done by feel.
There was no safe or practical way for the divers to penetrate very deep within these sunken ships; what these hard hat divers did was dangerous enough, so there was no thought of trying recover all of the bodies while these ships were still underwater.
Thanks for the information, will look into finding the book.
What a job huh?
It's just insane to think about having to do that, and the people that did it?
Just...wow.
@@colemarie9262 Yes, they did, and I believe two or three divers were killed during the later salvage efforts; though the writer of this book had been sent to Guadalcanal to do emergency underwater repair work to ships damaged in the vicious night battles which occurred around that island, so he didn't have knowledge or write about those incidents. He did mention hearing the banging made by the sailors trapped inside the West Virginia. That must have been very hard thing, knowing he was only several feet away, but he was on the outside of the hull and he couldn't do anything to help them.
@@colemarie9262 - I just found this three minute video which uses contemporary film footage and still photo images of the divers who did salvage operations after the Pearl Harbor attack. It's worth seeing for the images alone.
czcams.com/video/ptisw4ZO4Rg/video.html
That is an intense, emotional, and interesting book. Highly recommend.
As a Japanese Gen Z, it saddens me to know all these stories. And they are also graphic reminders of what war brings on.
As an American, learning about the devastation of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was beyond horrifying. The entire conflict between the U.S. and Japan should never have happened. It's always the innocent who suffer the most.
So many errors from the past... all we can do is learn from it, acknowledge it, mourn it, never forget and stop repeating it.
I've learned one thing about wars over the course of a long military career.
Wars don't have victors and defeated, they merely have survivors.
that era the whole world was insane.
As an American Gen Z, it saddens me to know that my country dropped two nuclear bombs on your country. Neither of us have any responsibility for what the powerful decided to do decades before we were born. ❤️
I can’t even imagine how terrifying it must have been to have been trapped in those sinking ships, knowing that you were just waiting to die, no way of getting out. Truly horrific. 🖤
Em B same. I can't even imagine
And then to know that they died faceless and nameless cause they couldn't exhume them in time. Thats just as terrifying to me. 😔
MORSMORDRE I'd imagine that they weren't nameless... there was most likely a record of who was assigned to the ship, and when they didn't show up among the survivors it was process of elimination to see who died. They just couldn't assign a specific name to a specific corpse because of decomposition.
For 16 days, terrifying.
Sarah A that’s the one that got me the hardest. Judging by Caitlin’s face I think it got her pretty good, too.
My heart aches for the 3 young men who were trapped for all those days..
Jude Dude Mine too
Years ago, I saw a documentary interview a veteran who had to stand guard by the ship. Every night he heard the pounding in Morse code from the interior. He could barely even talk about it. It was one of the most haunting interviews I ever saw.
@@davidbehsman3324 man thats though those guys had it hard, i would break down mentally hearing the pounding for hours on end and knowing i cant do anything for them..... respect for those guys (and everyone else who fought for the freedom of his/her country)
@@davidbehsman3324 you got the link for that interview. ?
@@SharkWhisper00 I'm sorry, but I don't have a link. It was many years ago.
I love how respectful she is about these topics. She applies a sense of humor, but does not over do it. It’s beautiful.
Ah, would you look at that. I'm years late AGAIN. Anyways, my great-grandfather was at Pearl Harbor. He was only 17 at the time and would be scarred for life. He saved a couple of people from his sinking ship, not sure which one, and would never set foot on a plane again. Funny enough, he went to all but one battles that involved the Navy. Afterwards, though, he would become afraid of Japanese people. He would never say this up-front, but I remember my Great-Grandmother mentioning it while we were making cookies. It's really sad for my family to talk about this because he died of something that was contributed to Pearl Harbor. I'm sorry I don't know all the details, as I was only 4ish at the time when he died. EDIT: I think it was the Arizona, because he did say he was sleeping when they were struck, but I'm not 100 percent positive.
One thing you forget about ww2, how young the soldiers were
Millions of people cannot be wrong following this courageous woman.
My father in law was a Pearl Harbor Survior... He didn’t talk about it much, but ALWAYS watched any documentary or anything involved with the attack- He was always “featured” in our small town Labor Day Parades with a small group of survivors- ultimately being the last one prior to his death 6 years ago-
He had permanent hearing loss from having to fire a 50 Caliber gun at the Japanese for almost two hours-
When he chose to stop going to dialysis - which ultimately ended his life 12 days later- he said, “ I am not afraid to go, I saw my friends Floating in the Pacific Ocean at Pearl Harbor when we were kids, I get the honor of choosing the way I leave this earth- those boys didn’t... and I got to live. Those boys didn’t. “
My point being- although he did not speak about the attack, it is obvious it made a major impact on his life and he never forgot about those who so suddenly lost their lives that day...
Rest In Peace.
@@friedpickles342 What does Israel have to do with Pearl Harbor? You seriously need some help. Hate will consume you into an early grave.
@@brokentreeusauka1891 ask the survivors of the USS Liberty.
Mr. Fadi please go to Israel and try to wipe them out . I cant wait to see what happens.
@@pamelarose1834 the usa will come running to save their owners
@Mayoforsam No one will ever be as bad as Japan was before and during WWII. I posted some questions to Stock Fadi within this Reply Thread and I would like you to take a look at them. Could you also answer them for me? I am very curious about the origins of personal hatred and I assure you that I am not being facetious.
My Great Uncle was stationed at Pearl Harbor and was off his ship (the Arizona) on leave in the island. Him and his buddies ran to the shore right after the attacks and they pulled so many men out of the water who were covered in gasoline on fire. My Uncle suffered 3rd degree burns on his upper body and arms putting them out. It was so horrific he refused to ever speak about it. God bless those that lost their lives that day, and those that help the ones that were in peril.
Missy Firestone what an incredible man. thank you for sharing this story.
May your Great Uncle rest in peace knowing he did everything possible to save his buddies. God Bless him.
Missy Firestone my grandfather was on the S.S West Virginia. Him and his buddies just had the day off and were enjoying it when they saw the Japanese planes fly in. The things he told me 50 years later were worse than a Stephen King novel.
mcrchickenluvr - As horrific as it was, I hope all who heard the stories from those who survived take time to write down those accounts. This is living history, and needs to be preserved. Think of the accounts of the survivors of the Civil War, or the Revolution. We may not realize the importance of first hand witnesses until they are gone. Long after, historians have scarce resources to piece together a text that contains both facts from official records, and the authenticity of the voices of participants. Please write it, save it, and pass it on.
Now that we've reached the end of 2020, I would love to know how much progress the military has made in identifying the remains from the USS Oklahoma
I believe they said in the last month or two that they identified 88% and are trying to identify the remaining 51 before a ceremony this December 7th.
@@JDrevolver66 thanks for the update! Do you know where I can find more info about it?
You are smart, intelligent, professional who takes a “tough subject” and makes it entertaining and easy to understand. And with total respect you are “easy on the eyes!
Right? She presents in a way that's healthy and balanced and serious.
My grandfather was in the Marines for WW2. He was on a ship for years and eventually developed a severe infection in his brain and damage which was thought to be from the heavy rattling of machine guns. He was put into a psych hospital in Australia because they didn’t figure out the infection until later. Then a German doctor figured out what was wrong with him and 13 brain surgeries later he was himself again and sent home. While this was happening to him his ship was attacked and went down to the bottom of the ocean. It’s crazy to think that if it wasn’t for his brain injury, my whole family wouldn’t exist. He would recall this story with a tear in his eye because he lost his fellow Marines/friends. He passed in 2004, but I like to keep his amazing stories alive. Thanks for reading if you stuck with this comment til the end.
Jess B It's a very interesting story, thanks. I don't think lucky escapes are that crazy, a lot of people have them, but a brain injury as a lucky escape is fairly unusual, it has to be said.
Jess B thanks for sharing
Deep respect to him and his memory
Jess B wow. That’s really something! Thanks for sharing. 🙂
Everything happens for a reason. No coincidences
I would be very interested in a WW2 series. My grandfather was a Canadian solider in the war and his childhood friend died in his arms during a battle in Holland. It took him nearly his whole life to talk about what the war was like.
As a someone from the Netherlands, my uttermost gratitude to your grandfather and his friend. The memories, and the remembering of WW2 still very much live on here, and the Canadian forces will always be remembered as our liberators.
Kelly N Thank you for your kind words. My grandfather travelled back to the Netherlands for the 65th anniversary of the liberation. It was that trip that allowed him to come to terms with his experiences and start to open up. The gratitude and support of the people there was overwhelming. Thank you for continuing to remember them. ❤️
That's a great idea, because you hear about the battles but never about the aftermath. What happened to those who fell in battle? Did they transport the remains back or are they buried in Europe? How did they bury them? What tools and procedures were used in the wars? How did they deal with enemy bodies?
So many questions...
Erin Goertzen - I would also like to give my sincere gratitude to the memory of your grandfather and his friend. What they did, and the sacrifices they made, changed the world for the better.
Heather Vandermeer -- I believe there were procedures followed for handling of combat/ civilian casualties during wars. Practices change with time. I think the first recorded account known was Homer's Iliad....bodies were removed from the battlefield, cleansed, and cremated. The exception was Hector's body ransomed, it was mentioned,
for his weight in gold. Overseas US casualties were d buried in a US cemetery near the site of the battle. I'm sure some were shipped home.
I hope you do the Japanese POW's and what happened to their bodies as i have my oldest brother and sister buried there, my mother made it back...Attu, Alaska native here...
As a history buff and major fan of you, I would love more WW II videos.
My son-in-law's relative, Thomas Ewing Crowley, was the ship's dentist on the USS Arizona and died in the attack. My son-in-law is a diver for the Army and is currently stationed at Pearl Harbor.
junbug1029 Please give him our condolences on his family's loss, & thank him for his service. The world can always use good men, in service or not.
Also thanking him for his service. 😊
We just got our great Uncle Home this Memorial Day. WT2 Edgar Gross. He died while serving on the USS Oklahoma. The Navy identified his remains back late last year.
juliantcox ❤️
May your great uncle and all of his crewmates rest in peace.
How did they get the remains?
Hand Salute, sailor! Two!
juliantcox that is amazing. I am glad that your family finally got closure on the loss of your great uncle. May he finally Rest In Peace.
My dad was stationed at Fort Shafter and living in Hawaii . I remember visiting this memorial as a child back in the early 1970’s. Much Respect, Peace and Aloha to these brave souls.
My grandparents lived in Hawaii, so I went to Pearl City, Pearl harbour, punch bowl and diamond head. However, my grandpa was a British vet, survivor of D-day. I've had the honour of reading his memoirs. Please do a series on those lost in WW2, maybe also WW1. Lest we forget.
My dad survived WWII and Korea and he has some very sad stories about this topic . He never spoke of them until recently . He is in his 90s now . He speaks of these things with a sad , faraway look in his eyes. It makes me cry.
My uncle was Sargent of the Guard that morning at Pearl. A young Marine, he sustained wounds, but returned immediately to duty to carry wounded and dead well into the next day. He was subsequently sent overseas to fight on Iwo Jima, where he was seriously wounded. He was sent home for a brief visit, still wearing a plaster cast covering him from shoulder to hip. When he returned to Pearl Harbor 50 years later, he told me many memories returned as he walked around the grounds that day. My parents are of that generation. I am very grateful to read so many posts indicating interest in WWII. My mom (92 now) is deeply concerned that the events and lessons of that era will be forgotten. We know little about the final resting place of those who died during the Bataan Death March. I met a survivor of that event, and saw the tattoo placed on his forearm, identifying him as a Japanese POW.
Sending those boys home is money well spent. My deepest respect and sympathy to them and their Families.
Great stuff Cait. A Navy vet myself, you want so much for those that didn't get out, to be remembered. When our Lord comes back, I'm sure that they will be removed. He knows who they all are.
Yes. Yes, He does.
Knowing your fear of underwater caves, it must have been quite difficult to research for and then present this video. You handled it very well.
I am totally down for a WWII series!!
Frank Gzz America's Boyfriend , absolutely it would! Should she not discuss a MAJOR part of history that, unfortunately, too many Americans know nothing about, because it will make some uncomfortable? It is absolutely a part of the world's history and should be discussed so as not to forget what happens when people blindly follow a liar, especially in this political climate. Besides, there are all KINDS of things about WWII that are crazy interesting and I'm always down for learning more!
MeanJean McCormack The series SHOULD ADD THE truth of what the military does to the veterans. My grandfather served in the army for 20 years. He died in 1983 of cancer. The army and the government TREATED US LIKE SHIT! THEY REFUSED TO PAY ANY FUNERAL BENEFITS as according to the army -he died in a "CIVILIAN HOSPITAL "and then even told us that he "didn't have cancer -he died of "natural causes".My grandmother had to pay for his cremation.
Im down for a WW3 series. WW2 is played out, and WW3 is LONG overdue.
When you discuss the prospect of this becoming a series, I get excited. I Immediately realize that I have some kind of morbid fascination. Learning is fun.
My Grandmother who lived in Oahu during the bombing says she saw the planes drop the torpedo that blew up the Arizona. (She lived 30 min away)
My God, the fact that they banged on the haul for 16 day. That's just horrifying.
Yes I would like this as a series.
Samantha Stuessel I'd like to know the circumstances as to why they couldn't rescue them.
Yeah, sounds like they could possibly cut them out through the hull.
I think now they could have saved them, with infrared technology and diving equipment. I think it was a bit too hard in 1941 to get them out, especially if they were lost in the bowels of the ship
Samantha Stuessel my question is what did they eat for 16 days? That had to been the most horrifying experience.
Jenny Livingston Me too. I'd think if they could be heard they could get to them SOMEHOW. So sad.
Its cool that you mentioned the Oklahoma. My great granddaddy was on that ship during the attack on Pearl Harbor. He jumped overboard in just his boxers. That's not how he died but I can't imagine how he felt to know he was one of the few who survived knowing that all your friends and crew mates are stuck in Pearl Harbor.
The first book I ever bought on Amazon is “Descent Into Darkness” by Commander Edward C. Raymer, a retired USN diver. He talks about diving on the ships after Pearl Harbor. Interesting and sad.
I have watched this video before but needed some time to articulate my thoughts on it. First of all, I am glad to see this topic covered by someone who grew up on Oahu who took pains to cover it with sensitivity and dignity. I grew up minutes away from the Arizona Memorial and visited it for the first time this past year, and when I went there the silence with which visitors are asked to respect the site was quite poignant.
My grandmother was roughly the same age I am now when the attack occurred, and she told me that she climbed up to the top of the roof of the house she was living in at the time with her family in order to see what was going on. The entire horizon was a line of black smoke, it was all she could see. At roughly the same time, two of her brothers were shot at while out on the street by an Imperial fighter plane. I've always wondered if that pilot shot at them because they were there, or because he could see that they were Japanese. He missed them and they were not injured, yet members from both sides of my family still got caught up in the aftermath--I have relatives who are buried in Punchbowl that I cannot visit this Memorial Day because of the pandemic.
I have always wondered what became of those that died aboard those ships, and it's thanks to this video that I finally have answers. I have seen a lot of other content about the same event tend to focus on the strategy, or the broader effects of it, not on those who got caught inbetween; even worse are the comments on other WWII videos that start to play the blame game for things that happened in the past. This is the closest you can get to a respectful, well-considered and non-finger-pointing perspective that's related to December 7 without visiting the site and its associated museums.
Tl;Dr, thank you Caitlin! To anyone else who actually reads my nattering and wants to visit though, please wait until the pandemic is over and the State of Hawaii stops mandating a 14-day quarantine for out-of-state visitors. We've already had our fair share of tourists breaking quarantine for their own interests, thanks not so much. I'm just here spending my lockdown going through my favorite channels' uploads, 10/10 do recommend!
What an excellent comment. I hope you are able to visit your relatives in the Punchbowl very soon.
@@josephgreeley5569 thank you very much! If all goes well I can go visit them this year. I'd almost forgotten I commented here until I saw your reply.
The captain and the dentist of the ship gave their own lifes for their comrades. I have no words for such compassion and bravery.
We got the remains of my great grandfather late last year from the uss ok.. well abt 10% of him. I didn’t know him but I attended his proper funeral at Arlington.
That must be sad
My Grandma's brother James Rogan died there....he was 19. Thank you for the interesting and educational information.
Yes! I love war history. Please continue with WWII, WWI, The Civil War. I'd love to see more.
I AM INTERESTED IN YOU CONTINUING THIS AS A SERIES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR
AS AM I
Why are you so loud?
The Mad Lolita BECAUSE WE REALLY FEEL THIS WOULD BE A GOID SERIES
I second this
Em B ME TOO!!!
16 days.... 16 god damn days of agony.
That’s two weeks and some change. Two whole weeks.
I lived on Oahu. I went to the memorial as a young girl. I don’t remember that.
May their souls find peace. They certainly deserve it.
nerdyninjatemptress I’m surprised there was never a movie made about this
That's so absolutely horrifying, holy shit. What a fucking nightmarish way to go.
Those poor souls deserve to be remembered.
Bruh
That's horrid! 16 days with no one saving you. Sounds like gruelling torture. God rest their souls!
What was even worse is that many men who survived on the Oklahoma suffocated when the torches they were using stole the oxygen from the spaces they occupied or caused their drowning when the air pressure in those spaces was lost when the finally did cut through. It happened on a few other ships, too. Had a great uncle who was there and took part in rescue operations. Get a fifth of Jack Daniels in him and he'd open up a bit. Stories he told would shake your soul. Till the day he died he hated with a passion anything Japanese.
I had a student, former US Marine bandsman in Hawaii. He played taps over the recovered remains of Marines lost on Tarawa. I could hardly choke back the tears when he told me the story..
as a vet who had the honor of raising the flag over the Arizona and knowing of families who have NEVER found their dead I would really find it a blessing to have you / others continue the search - thank you
I know there was a USS Oklahoma veteran that was on the ship was just returned back to my hometown (a little town in South Dakota) after 77 years. He was freshly married and had a son that he never got to meet. He was a farmer as well. We also had a memorial and there was a lot of press coverage from local news stations too
Bodies in the USS Arizona and USS Utah are unrecoverable That is why it is also Considered a National cemetery. During all attempts to recover the bodies, it resulted in the deaths of additional sailors. The remains as they lay are at rest and protected as well as honored. The cost in lives to reclaim the remains is to high. "Lest we forget." Rest In Peace.
The remains are long gone. Human bones only last a few years in the ocean.
@Iranian Bob
I did not read all that but in the middle of a war recovering bodies was not a priority.
@Iranian Bob Lmao get over yourself dude. This holier than thou attitude because you read 4 paragraphs in a youtube comment is absolutely ridiculous and amusing. What Ray said is correct whether he read it all or not. During active war, recovering bodies isn't among the top priorities. Grow the fuck up.
Iranian Bob
Well said, sir.
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Thank you, My cousin was on the Oklahoma. His remains were just recently identified and returned to Nebraska.
Visiting the memorial in middle school was something I'll never forget. Such a solem but beautiful place.
Caitlin that bit about surviving veterans being interred back on their respective ships made me cry. That is incredible information. My dad was born on Pearl Harbor Day so I've always had a small inclination to it, wanted to visit as well and show my respect.
Case Shuff my grandfather was off the Arizona getting parts, his wish was to be buried with his brothers who died in the shop.
Kelly Schittenhelm that's incredible! Was he able to have that wish fulfilled? Were you able to attend? Thank you for sharing that ❤
Case Shuff yes it happened. Very moving
Thank you for mentioning USS Utah (BB-31/AG-16) and her 54 dead. Utah always seems to be the forgotten ship of the attack.
My father was stationed in Hawai'i on a submarine when I was a little girl. Visiting the memorial and looking down into the water at the Arizona made me feel sick in my stomach - I definitely realized many of them were still down there.
This is my favorite series you do. I'm re watching all of them, and hope will continue to do more of these!
You could do the battle of Stalingrad, the body count is mind boggling , and with cannibalism thrown in. Where did those corpses go?
Edit: my boo boo the cannibalism was the siege of Leningrad.
Or the PoWs died in the Gulags.
In history clases I learned that bodies were burned or buried in mass graves outside city.
Om nom nom. That is what happened to those corpses.
(But really, I believe there were mass graves, as well as some that went into the Volga when the ice melted, going downstream)
Björn Bidar My grandfather, who was Army Infantry, was captured less than 3 months into his 1st tour and held as a POW for almost 10 months in one of those Gulags before he and a handful of others managed to escape. While he was a POW he was made to dig graves for dead Nazi soldiers....the bodies of POWs that died were hauled off when the "truck was full" and they figured were either thrown into a mass grave somewhere or burned. He never spoke about his time in the Gulag to anyone....ever. The one time he did open up a little bit was because I had to interview a veteran and do a presentation in junior high. He mostly talked about their escape and long journey on foot back to American lines, which was incredible. I could tell he was still very much troubled about the 10 months in the gulag...so I didn't press him. He passed away unexpectedly later that year. I have ALWAYS wanted to know more but it hurt seeing him so emotional.
Yah but with millions involved those must have been big ass mass graves with boat loads of lighter fluid and gasoline, all in the middle of a multi month siege with snipers and bombers
Yes, definitely a series! Oh, and young Caitlyn is ridiculously cute.
patsy t I love that she still had bangs too 🤗
Yeah, and clothes style looks like the 50s, so Caitlyn is pushing 80, which explains why she is fascinated by death. She's an immortal. :)
Well thank you. :)
I love the bat on her collar, haha!
Yabetz I did not even notice that. What awesome parents she has!
Thank you Caitlin for sharing this. To hear our country is doing everything it can to identify the men from the Oklahoma and return them to their families gives me such hope and pride in our nation. These men gave the ultimate sacrifice and everything should be done to provide them with honor and a name. I worked at Pearl Harbor for 10 years and met so many veterans. In 2012, I was fortunate enough to attend the funeral of a veteran who had no family and whose remains had been bequeathed to his only friend, who had died a month before his remains were sent to the Arizona Memorial for burial. The Arizona Memorial asked everyone at Pearl Harbor and the USS Missouri to attend the ceremony. Hundreds came to honor him. I will never forget that moment. God Bless these men and those searching for their names and families.
I was 22 and in the US Navy, when I first saw the memorial. When I saw the marble wall with all the names of the dead, I honestly began to tear up. It's a very emotional experience.
JESUS CHRIST YES, this series must see the light of day! what a great idea! 🤩
desaulnes bless his Holy Name!
I would like you to continue this as a series please.
As a U.S.N. veteran, I can tell you that we in the Navy were taught (rightfully so) that these sunken ships are considered Holy ground as in consecrated grave sites. Those who died that day are considered heroes, even if all they did was run to what they supposed were the safest points on or in their ships.
There are many unsung heroes in all our Armed Forces who need some recognition even if it's just a short telling of what happened. Example: the deadly fire on the U.S.S. Forrestal (1967 during the Viet Nam war).
I had heard this too. The Navy list's missing sub's as "on eternal patrol".
Not in my USN. Whenever there is an emergency (such as an attack) the sailors do NOT run to what they supposed were the safest points on or in their ships. A sailors duty was and is to go to his General Quarters Station and to perform his assigned duties there as well and for as long as he (and now she) can. He/she does not run and hide during GENERAL QUARTERS to be safe. He /she is on duty and is not a passenger aboard his ship. The heroic men who died aboard the ships in Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7th or at any time during World War II were doing their duty. They were not hiding from anything; including death.
@@GFSLombardo Bravo Zulu shipmate! My first homeport was Pearl Harbor and had the honor of running into several old timers who were at pearl during the attack..those sailors did not run and hide!
Hello shipmate, I also served in the USN. 1968..PBR GRP.55 DaNang. When we came into Pearl, we all fell out topside to give a hand salute to our fallen shipmates aboard the USS Arizona and all who gave their all that day and the many days that followed.
I've visited the USS Arizona 3 times and it was always quite moving. You can feel the sadness but it's also very calming. Thank you for sharing your experience and for answering my morbid curiosity questions.
My paternal uncle was killed in the bombings on the USS Arizona. The next day, my grandfather, his brother, signed up for the marines. I want to visit the memorial site. Thank you for doing this subject so delicately. You always do such a fantastic job.
Fun fact: after they righted and raised the Oklahoma, the navy decided to scrap her. However, while towing her to the mainland the tugs towing her ran into a storm; resulting in her breaking from her moorings and sinking when the rough seas ripped open some of her old wounds.
On May 4th 2019 First Class Seaman William Hale McKissack, of the USS Oklahoma, returned home to Winters Texas. He was buried in the family plot where his mother and father and other siblings and relatives are buried. It was a very moving and patriotic moment . he was my grandmothers brother and relatives came from all over the country for his memorial.He was releaved of duty by the second in command of the 7th fleet.Thank everyone involved in his recovery and internment.
Thoughts and Prayers ...
My Grams cousin was also found in 2016 and returned home. All but 63, as of Friday, have been identified
They recently returned the body of a crew member of the Oklahoma to a town near me. This was pre covid and people were encouraged to turn out for the ceremony
Caitlin, as always an excellent video, I love your channel and your way of explaining subjects that many won't touch with a barge pole.
Regarding the identification of the Oklahoma crew, do you have an update on the current number of those identified to date (2022)?.
Keep up the excellent work 👍 Thankyou.
Yes, continue please!
JDo85 Yes please me too! I'd also like to see a video done about the dead of D Day added to the list along with the others.
Yes, do it!
Definitely worth doing a series
My grandpa was at pearl harbor when it got attacked. He said the panging from the men that were trapped awful but the worst part was when the panging stopped...
Fuck :(
Just want to send “good vibes” your direction. All of your videos are SO interesting! I’m actually considering going to mortician school thanks to you. So, I just wanted to say: thank you!
Caitlyn,
With all due respect to the considerable demands on your time, could you continue to pursue this issue as your time allows?
Yes, hugely interested and thanks for another great job!
(Sgnd)
A Viet Vet
Chuck G thank you sir for your service
Chuck G yes please!
Thank you for your service, sir. Much respect.
Thank you for your service 🙏🏼💙
Thank you for your service my dad was also a veteran
You've officially just taught me more about the attack on Pearl Harbor than any of my history teachers ever managed combined. Congrats.
also PLEASE CONTINUE THIS SERIES. MY HISTORY TEACHERS WERE SHITTY AND THAT'S SAD BECAUSE I ACTUALLY LOVE LEARNING ABOUT ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING AND YOU TEACH THIS STUFF GOOD.
She actually deals with a history teacher ... or two... Meantime, look up on CZcams: Hip Hughes, US-101, Mr Beat, Tom Richey, The Singing History Teachers, and The History Teachers (2 separate groups). You'll find others through them all.
For real tho. If it wasn’t for her and Horrible Histories I’d be useless at pub quizzes.
Check Out: Prof Hip Hughes, Tom Richey, The History Teachers (Amy & Herb), the Singing History Teachers, Mt Matt Beat, US-01 with Sammi, Mr Best's Class, Corporal Kelly, BigClive, contact me for more.
Another factoid, if you like.....I saw in a documentary that the key Radar Station which could have relayed a high alert was SHUT DOWN at the time!! How Incompetent a Command WAS there?
I’ve just found you and am interested in anything that is given with respect and good information. You do that so well. A series on the the war dead would be great. Hope it happens. Continue the hood work
Thanks so much for this video!! I've asked this question for years!!
Would be fascinated to know how radioactive remains, ashes, and partial remains in Hiroshima/Nagasaki were handled. Also to know more about the 'shadows' vaporized remains left behind.
Caroline yes!!!
I agree!
She’s done one for it
Yes, please continue this series! Given the current state of events, I think that what happened to the dead of the Japanese internment camps really should be discussed.
YES
On April 11th, 2020, our small town will welcome home the remains of William Harding Crim, a crew member of the USS Oklahoma, whose unidentified remains were buried at the Punchbowl. Extraordinary efforts by the US Navy were undertaken after DNA testing became available to identify and return these sailors to their families. I, and many other veterans, will be there to honor him when he is finally laid to rest in his hometown. Lest We Forget!
I will never forget. I give you my word.
My cousin, my Grams 1st, was returned in 2016. Arthur Neuenschwander
This is Excellent Outstanding and Respectful Work. Please Continue .
Thank You Caitlin!
So happy to see you at Vidcon, it means that you are growing as a CZcamsr.
So proud to be a deathling
Very interesting, I'd like to see more on this series!
Mindy Van Horn I agree,super interesting!
My second cousin’s final resting place is inside the Superfortress (heavy bomber) plane he was piloting in May 1945. It lost airspeed after takeoff and ditched a few miles off the coast of one of the Mariana Islands. (4 of the 11 crew survived.)
Good show. My wife is a scuba diver for the national Park service and I was able to meet the submerged resource team on the Arizona. That was 2011. I told the pilot on the boat that I was going to stay on the Arizona so the count would be down one and I’d go back to the submarine base via the Navy SEALs. I walked up on the platform after everyone left and found myself alone and it was very eerie going from noisy to silence and I gave thanks for their service and their sacrifice. May they all rest in peace.
I love how Bettie Page of Death, can explain a sensitive subject with common sense and compassion, Thank You for your Unique work.
Never thought of that she does have that Bettie Page look. Works for me.
THE BETTIE PAGE OF DEATH ♥
Bettie Page of death ! I love it !
She turns me on in a funky way !
Yes, it was the “BP Look” that originally caught my attention to this Channel!!!! Beautiful Hair and striking Facial Features!!!!
I went to Oahu for a vacation back in 88. Pearl Harbor and the US Arizona memorial was the first place on my list to see, being interested in all things war history related. What I didn't expect was how surreal it was thinking about all those young men just under your feet in what seemed to be shallow water. You can even still see and smell oil and fuel leaking out and Ieaving a trail across the water. As walked around i became overwhelmed with it all and got very emotional to the point it caused me to cry for those poor souls. I've visited many other battle grounds, memorials and cemeteries but there's something about that place really gets to you.
P J mine too, I have family members on the Arizona, quite moving
That was VERY informative and insightful. PLEASE keep up the good work and I personally would look forward to more videos like this. Again THANKS...
I love your video's Caitlin, you tell the stories with such humor and seriousness making them interesting all the way to the end.💜💕
Yes you should make it into a series
I'd love to hear you talk about the graves of WWI soldiers in France. I know it's a different war, but it might be interesting to cover. I went to see my (Irish) great-great-grandfather's grave there when I was 5; it actually took a really long time for my mom to find where it was. Nobody in the family had ever visited until us.
apenguinnamedabraham your mom is a wonderful woman for putting that effort into finding it and bringing you along.
I have a great-great uncle buried in Arlington Nat'l Cemetery. When we visited in 2012, nobody had ever visited until we showed up. He had been there since 1923!
I love your explanations of history and it’s mysteries. I appreciate you more and more. Thank you
Nice job Caitlin. Informative and respectful.
Hardly waiting for the new video! Great as usual, I always ask myself what's gonna be the next topic...maybe Hiroshima deads ( maybe in August...)?...btw it would make a great Discovery channel serie,I can see Caitlin as a TV documentarist, she's such a good story teller!
I think a lot of them were vaporized, but it'd still be a good topic for a video.
August Pritchett but what about the risen death rates after it happened? How did that affect the death industry
Barefoot Gen could explain that for you.
*Shudders*
Vaporization would be an interesting topic though. The shadows of Hiroshima are spooky too
Most of the dead in Hiroshima weren’t vaporised, many would survive the initial explosion but with 3rd degree burns to whichever part of the body was exposed to the flash, they tended to try and wander either to the cities two main hospitals, and would die either waiting outside the building or inside the hospitals corridors and waiting rooms, others would die in the street or drown after collapsing near the rivers that ran through the city which swelled with the tide. Another large amount of people were trapped beneath collapsed buildings and died of suffocation or were burnt to death if the building caught fire. If anyone’s interested I’d recommend ‘Hiroshima’ by John Heany, it’s available for free online.
Continue this as a series please!!!!!!!
Thank you very much for the videos. Quite informative and you are quite easy to listen to. You have a way of making history interesting. Keep up the good work
Thank you for having informative and educational videos.
Even though this one is pretty rough to take in, I really want to see you do more of these. It's uncomfortable but important and I trust you to handle it all with grace and skill.
As one who has family still on board the Arizona I can't thank you enough for what you said at the end. Keep asking questions and keep pushing for IDs.
My Grandfather was a Pearl Harbor survivor on the USS New Orleans. He told a few stories about it, he said they sewed shrouds after the bombing, and that at least 300 men died in the bulkhead of the New Orleans. He was instrumental in my Army enlistment, I never wanted to be in a position like he was at Pearl,
I really really appreciate this channel. Better than cable TV for sure!