The Double Knee Bend with Mark Rippetoe
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- čas přidán 23. 01. 2019
- Mark Rippetoe discusses the double knee bend or second pull and how the teaching of this movement is built into the Starting Strength teaching method for the Olympic lifts.
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Where's the HIP DRAAAAAAAVEEEE
is there any need, ask yourself.
Mark is so damn good at guiding...
I can watch mark all day!
Not enough has been said about The Rippetoe Power Clean
Am I trippin' or is that Stan Efferding in the gray/blue @4:03 ?
Fairly sure that's him
@@MorganAcuff There's a video up on the SS Facebook channel of -- and I'm not fucking kidding you -- Rip coaching Stan in the deadlift.
@@ElPeejerino everyones got something to learn from Rip. Hes the first OG coach
Good catch
Is that Stan efferding in the background?
Think so
Sure looks like Stan
is the first knee bend to straight leg, then bend again, or is there some bend in it when you go for the second bend?
Your knees should still be bent when they rebend further for the second pull. Try doing a deadlift up to your mid-thigh and then stop, this is roughly the position you would be in when you rebend your knees.
This will depend somewhat on your proportions. I used to think that I had to rebend my knees but I didn't need to do that and it just messed up my pull. Just do this: pull the bar from the floor by extending your knees. Keep the angle of your back the same. Once the bar passes your knees begin straightening your torso until the bar hits mid thigh. This will be the power position. Your knees should still be bent and your torso inclined slightly forward. Shoulders should be even with or slightly in front of the bar. From here, drive with your legs and extend your torso. That's all there is to it. Here is an excellent drill to train this taught by an Olympic gold medalist: czcams.com/video/_PKsKJvFQwQ/video.html
You don't intentionally bend the knees; it happens naturally as a result of doing other things.
Mid thigh is the transition to the power position.
Don't think about it, it will happen naturally the way it should as long as foundations of the lift are taught correctly.
That's definitely the white rhino in the room.
As soon as the book mentioned the double knee bend I was confused af
That whole chapter is not his best IMO
''Those of you who have been to fancy Olympic weightlifting school''...I stopped the video.
lol
he is coaching bad form hahah
Which part exactly? You know more than Rip?
@@jackedkangaroo1948 I agree he is coaching bad form. I actually compete as a masters weightlifter, so yes, I know more than Rip. This is a classic example of the Dunning-Krueger Effect. Rip doesn't know enough about correct weightlifting technique to realize that he doesn't know enough about correct weightlifting technique. He and his Starting Strength Cultists are very damaging to the growth of the sport here in the US.
@@MikeXCSkier I mean, he was invited to coach at the Olympic Training Center and his form is used at the national level, so its probably not total cancer.
@@KriegWaters I've never heard Rippetoe say that he was invited to coach weightlifting at the OTC. With the way he trashes USAW (he's referred to them as assholes and suggested that their office space would be better used as a lounge for the janitors) I figured that he wanted to coach there at some point but USAW refused, and now he's carrying a grudge. I'm not defending USAW because I think their teaching method could be improved, but I don't flat out trash the organization. I can also say that I have never seen ANY coach at ANY level teach the clean with the bar over the midfoot, hips way up in the air, and no third pull using the arms. His statement that the arms are not used at all is wrong because the arms pull the lifter down in what is known as the third pull. Instead he has lifters "slam the elbows forward" which results in a very awkward rack of the bar. His disdain for USAW has caused him to create his own technique which no one uses anywhere. The former Soviet sports juggernaut hired teams of scientists who figured out the optimal pulling technique back in 1978. If Rippetoe wants to challenge 40 years of sports science based on principles of biomechanics he is more than welcome to try. But he better come up with some concrete biomechanics to back up his ideas or produce some national champions - he has done neither - because calling those who disagree with him pussies and assholes is not going to advance the sport of weightlifting.
@@MikeXCSkier The discussion of his invite, credentials, and biomechanical analysis are all on the Starting Strength Forums (as well as the book and articles). In defense of all coaches, the USAW is not equivalent to the US Olympic coaches or program in general, and Rip has various members contribute to his site and programs. Tom DiStassio has a very interesting case study and analysis of the utility of block pulls for high vs low hip pullers.
Jesus, it looks like they’re going to hurt themselves with this form. It would probably be better getting an actual Olympic weightlifting coach.
He is one. He has coached at the US Olympic Center. Despite the semi-unortodox start, Rip is pretty well credentialed. More importantly, he is a great coach.
Nah man, I just suck
@@KriegWaters During what years was Rippetoe the national weightlifting coach at the OTC? Apparently you are the only one who has the information. And if he was so what? Bad technique is bad technique. If this was the nonsense he was teaching at the OTC then no wonder the US sucks at weightlifting.
@@MikeXCSkier To my knowledge, he was never THE coach, but he was invited in 2000. I am not the only one who has this information, as it is publically available in many places, including the link below. My initial comment was to push back against the implication that he is not an Olympic Weightlifting coach. If it improves your opinion of the national program, US lifters do not practice his start position (with exceptions, of course). You are welcome to skim the large technical and biomechanical analyses he provides and still disagree as strongly as you wish.
One of many links to his credentials: startingstrength.com/resources/forum/mark-rippetoe-q-and-a/32152-eleiko-sport-usa-pleasant-surprise-rip-justifies-existence-3.html
Out of curiosity to OP @Andrew Coates, why would this clean form hurt people if this is how deadlifts are pulled? Are you referring to the effect of the back angle, or some other variable as the source of the danger?