Why do Gamers Still LOVE Old School CRT Tube TVs?
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Are CRTs still better for gaming in some ways?
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Speedrunners and the Melee community keeping CRTs alive lol
And antiquated console aficionados.
Micah Miranda yep, I bought a Sony Pvm just for my retro games
It is objectively the best way to play Melee.
@@hexajupiter4752 nice
@@micahgmiranda Antiquated sounds derogatory. Old is a better word. After all, Old but gold is often true to so many old games
It's incredible that CRTs, very old outdated technology, has features that only today are being achieved by the best of the best in LED and LCD technology; the lowest input lag, high refresh rates, little motion blur, all possible angles of view until the display is behind something, amazing black levels (true blacks if the room is dark), great perceived dynamic range, good CRTs have great color accuracy and are very bright... and they even have the effective equivalent to the recent Nvidia's AI upscaling that fills-in the details for lower resolution input, just because of the CRT analog nature and they don't have a native resolution.
Wow
Always wondered why games never felt blurry on my flat screen crt when I was a kid.But these days, even if I have the best monitor out, i can’t stand looking at it unless it’s at least 100 fps minimum being output. Games are blurry and rough at 60 fps. Can’t believe a lot of modern games still don’t offer 120 fps on ps5. Even at 1080. Rather just get a pc and force 120 fps
@@drblitz3092 even on droid games, 69 fps is janky and laggy.
Makes you wonder what CRTs could achieve with a modern redesign.
Biggest benefit of CRT's......Don't have to fight with your siblings over who gets to use it.
Unless you're a skinny little girl and your brother can lift it up easily.... then he gets almost all the CRT time --'
@@asj511 But girls arent gaming... and no, candy crush does not count.
(I know, some do, but when was the last time you saw a girl in game that you are playing)
Edit: For anyone, who thought he had to make a 'funny' comment: you are too silly to understand the point of this comment, aren't you?
@@themasterofdisastr1226 like, five minutes ago? like, to the person that you talked about? that clearly plays videogames? on crts?
@@themasterofdisastr1226 One of my friends about an hour ago. What's with the bias against them?
themasterofdisastr You really are the master of disaster huh?
I love CRTs, ever since I was a kid there has always been something magical about them, a few years ago I picked up an old CRT PS2 and some very old games and it was the best gaming experience I’d had in a long time, it made me rethink a lot of what I wanted from games as well as filled me with a lot of nostalgia
Not to mention an important factor in crts, light gun compatible devices.
How else can you play a nes zapper library of duck hunt, freestone force, higans alley etc, a super scow library of battle clash, tin star, yoshi's safari etc and a sega menace library with a flatscreen?
My 1080p flatscreen makes PS2 games look incredible, like jaw-droppingly good. PS2 games looked like crap on the CRT TV I had back in 2011.
Beautifully said.
The most important issue that wasn't mentioned is that CRTs do not operate on a fixed PAR (pixel aspect ratio). Most older game consoles (and many films on DVD) had non-square pixels for one reason or another. The Capcom CPS-II produced many narrow pixels horizontally which benefit their fighting games' play area resolution, and older systems like the Master System or Sinclair Spectrum used only a small number of horizontal pixels to improve processing power. Most images were designed to be stretched to 4:3. This means displaying games accurately on a fixed-pixel display is difficult to do well without shimmering or other scaling effects.
1:15 Common misconception: The electrons fired from the gun of a CRT toward the screen move at about 1/10 the speed of light, NOT c itself.
1) by saying CRT tube you’re saying cathode ray tube tube
2) electrons travel at nowhere near the speed of light
Meesguy 3) only hipsters buy this stupid old TVs .
Carl Zune Some prefer the look for retro consoles. It's definetly not just hipsters.
1. By saying "LCD display" you're saying "liquid crystal display display"
2) They do (obviously "at the speed of light" is incorrect, but they are very much relativistic): www.quora.com/How-fast-are-the-electrons-traveling-in-a-CRT-Are-they-reaching-the-speed-of-light-or-are-they-comparable-to-drift-velocity-in-conductors
@@andreaolivo523 what? so 30% is relativistic, and comparable to the speed of light?
New drinking game: Take a shot every time you read that electrons don't travel at the speed of light. Disclaimer: I'm not responsible for anyone's death by alcohol poisoning.
Well atleast this explained all the commotion at the hospital...
i’m 10
@@nalaprodd and?
Smash Bros Melee community is hoarding them all!
Sorry
Ahahaha we are!
Don't forget speedrunners that play classic games, they've got a hefty chunk themselves
... I also have like 7 at home...
No they are preserving history. I see a lot of people throwing their CRTs in the junk.
i just think crt's hide a lot of the imperfections of the graphics, making it look smoother and nicer
Kind of like smaller TVs make the images crisp and sharper than watching on a big TV. That's why even on CRT televisions gamers don't like to go above 20".
Absolutely!
Crts have scan lines making them look twice as sharp vertically as they actually are. But it's an optical illusion, the lines are spaced out
That’s true, but to put it differently - The graphics were designed around CRTs, so the “imperfections” were actually design choices made to work off of CRT fuzziness
1:17 "these electrons travel at the speed of light"
Albert Einstein has entered the chat.
God left
Half the speed of light
electrons have mass while photons don't
the electrons name is Mr. Fahrenheit
@@epicbread1310 Freddie Mercury has entered the chat.
"electrons in that beam travel at the speed of light". No they don't. They'd be lucky to get 10%
Yeah that one threw me off
@Masiosare II The difference between a 5ms LCD monitor and a 1ms or sub-1ms one might be noticeable to some people. However anything below 1ms or 2ms won't be noticeable to human eye and so this "advantage" is just a gimmick.
Higher resolutions, clearer image, higher refresh rate and better color accuracy are much better in modern LCDs compared to CRTs.
@@sujimayne clearer image? Better color accuracy? Man, crts still have it all, and the problem isn't the panel response, but the time it takes to convert analog to digital.
@@geovani60624 you mean difital to analog?
@@sujimayne better color???? lma0
This may not apply but this is why I keep the old Plasma TV. It has a great refresh rate for watching sports and playing games on it. (:
Plasma is just enhanced CRT
I just saved two CRT's last month (27" JVC I'art & 36" JVC D Series). I've been playing through MGS 2 and yeah, that shit looks amazing but the biggest thing I noticed was the lack of input lag. I was blown away, it is so buttery smooth you don't need to be a "pro gamer" to notice how shitty digital feels compared to analog. Honestly the gameplay is worth a broken back.
Going from digital to analog be like czcams.com/video/-MwCJpEuC44/video.html
The low input lag, beautiful vivid colours and near perfect blacks are what keep me coming back for more crt goodness. I was trying to play my PS2 on a LCD recently and it was near impossible as I was having trouble seeing anything at high speeds it would all just become a blur, also the colours were all washed out.
The amount of light a crt radiates is phenomenal, you just don't get TVs that bright these days.
Long live the crt tv, I need to find myself a hd one, some were capable of 1080i
Dont. The hd crts introduced lag also
We love our candy cabs and those CRTs are literally the best.
Well you won't see no CRT ever again
@@stephensnell1379 I have one in my arcade room. So sure. I'll never see one
A lot of retro gamers and retro gaming enthusiasts prefer to use CRT’s due to low input lag and preservation of the original look.
They also look much better on CRTs because the image isn't being upscaled.
@@energeticyellow1637 also the picture is blurry, so you can't see every "detail" of the input, hiding imperfections.
Wow, you watched the video too. Neat.
@Warm Soft Kitty Yes and then you can still use a PC CRT Monitor which looks better than any LCD
1. Next to 0 ms input lag.
2. Little in-game lag due to better resolution and aspect ratio-scaling
technology, partially as described in the video.
3. It is what pre-7th gen consoles and their respective games were built
around, with subsequent display technologies serving as an uphill
battle to meet the same standard provided by CRTs.
"Love" is a very strong word, it's just that they're the best possible
option for 6th gen and prior generations of games, and even then, that's
only if they're capable of ED/HD/Component input. If there was a
display technology that provided the same exact benefits, yet with the
benefits that LCD provides of lighter weight and healthier tech, no one
would keep those cumbersome, lethal, cancerous shock boxes.
Murder weapon... I was a little kid and my parents kept their old tv in my room. One day i ran into the tv stand and the tv fell on my head. Luckily the glass didn't break. They threw it out sadly.
Gotta love how despite it almost killing you, you feel bad about it getting removed from your house
Old CRTs have great lifespans. I have some Commodore monitors, one from 1991, and another from the 1980s, and they still work perfectly.
CRT monitors are different than CRT Televisions. Theyre built to last longer since they are built for still images. You leave a still image too long on a CRT TV and it can burn it out.
I love how I saw this literally the day after I threw out my old CRT after having had it sit in my room for 5 years.
You should've sell it at lower price.
5 views, 72 likes. Input lag
server desync
that's true xD
@@katech6020 whoosh?
actually it’s that it’s much more efficient to use a cache, rather than updating it constantly
TL;DW: CRTs are still great because its tech has different benefits and drawbacks than LCDs, none is better or worse in its entirety, just better for specific usecases.
@Tcll5850 The size advantage, colorreproduction, energy consumption and many more things are different between CRT monitors and LCD monitors, so it's like I said. Both are good, just with different benefits and drawbacks.
To be honest, we can't go back. These things are very bulky and heavy, and use a hell of a lot more power than really needed to produce a good image. Without getting too much into climate politics, it's a good idea to minimize power use and resource use going forward. I'd love to see something with the quality of plasma again, though (with better power efficiency).
@Tcll5850 What does potential burn in have to do about the overall quality of the display?
@Tcll5850 you have to consider CRT still have phosphor decay over time.
A thing they forgot: On older consoles, a lot of peripherals relied on CRT technology to work, like ROB the robot, light guns, and the Sega Scope 3D glasses.
Found a high resolution (relatively speaking) 40 inch monster for $80 Totally worth the hassle for the latency and games that need scan lines.
It’s a 40xbr800 in case you were wondering.
i feel like the melee community has at least 50% of all crts xD
nah, i would say super mario world and other platformers runners have at least 30%, and then theres all the arcade people and the e-sport people.
although i would imagine the fighting games runners in gerenal have almost half of them
Don't forget the last 10 % of pc user that still use them !
@@lutyanoalves444 you dont know how many melee players there are with crt
Iam NES Tetris community says hi too
I just love Cathode Ray Tube Tube TV's.
Last week I bought a Samsung 957mb 19" 1440p monitor for aroung 15 buks and I fell in love with it immediately!
It's not even one of those super high end models, but it's definitely a great CRT if you can find one.
They almost mentioned every great thing about crt, but they left out that most of these monitors can go up to 160 Hz or even higher which is crazy!
Of course you have to lover the resolution to achieve higher framerates, but still, these things still worth to play on!
1. Next to 0 ms input lag.
2. Little in-game lag due to better resolution and aspect ratio-scaling technology, partially as described in the video.
3. It is what pre-7th gen consoles and their respective games were built around, with subsequent display technologies serving as an uphill battle to meet the same standard provided by CRTs.
"Love" is a very strong word, it's just that they're the best possible option for 6th gen and prior generations of games, and even then, that's only if they're capable of ED/HD/Component input. If there was a display technology that provided the same exact benefits, yet with the benefits that LCD provides of lighter weight and healthier tech, no one would keep those cumbersome, lethal, cancerous shock boxes.
As someone who used to be competitive in the Mario Kart community, input lag is deadly for pulling off shortcuts that require frame-perfect timing. I’ll stick with my CRTs forever.
I remember when lugging a 40 inch tube tv up 2 flights of stairs by yourself was a monumental feat. As scrawny as I was at 16 it weighed almost as much as me lol.
1:20 correction: electrons do not travel at the speed of light in a CRT. They travel at a fraction of it and moreover they are accelerated towards the phosphour screen.
Theoretically, mass becomes massless when it approaches the speed of light.
Doesn't mass increase as it approaches the speed of light cause relativity
@@soljafon oh yea boi, I was wrong! The object has infinite mass and energy at c.
i think you're mistaken,
the electrons ARE light, and they aren't massless, then they couldn't exist
light has mass, just a VERY tiny amount of it, which is why something like a black hole can bend it
@@pioneer1131 nah, it’s an interesting thought and I could maybe see what you could interpret it that way maybe via electron wave function vs photon in a double slit experiment, but even bigger carbon molecules can get the same wave function as light, but besides that e=mc^2 so an e- is not light because as it approaches 3*10^8 m/s such as light it’s mass would become infinite. I do agree you could argue something like no such thing as a physical particle such as an electron and rather they are all just waves that interact on different fields but idk much about that nor Higgs bosons or anything of that nature but I bet that may explain how you came to that conclusion if you are interested in looking into how Higgs particle gives mass to the fundamental particles because I don’t have any knowledge on it
Digital Foundry: *Heavy breathing*
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No one:
Google: have you heard of *negative latency*
Negative latency is a real thing, although Google calling it 'negative latency' is a bit incorrect and confusing. It's just a set of known techniques that use brute force to reduce latency beyond what was previously thought possible. RetroArch has recently introduced the same system for their SNES emulator core and tests show it running with CRT-level lag on modern displays.
@@KillahMate well technically, despite what it's called or referred to as, it's still not literally "negative latency" as the term itself is clashing itself. It's like saying "dry water"
@@banik7414 Yes, it's not actually negative latency because that's impossible. As I mentioned. It's just a marketing name. But the thing it's describing is real, and really works.
@@KillahMate seems interesting. maybe we will have consumer grade monitors like that after 15 years
I'm still hunting on at least 20" CRT
I have one
Hey if you have to settle on a good 17inch. I got one that does 85khz horizontal refresh and it's still great better then one that does 70khz but not nearly as good as something like the sony gdm-fw900 which goes for like $4000 on Ebay.
there is no problem to buy 17" 85Hz here in Poland for around 10$ in total, but it's hard to find anything with resolution higher than 1280x1024
@@KeanoMUFC1 they don't have a native resolution. Alot of Those screens can do up to 1600x1200 at 60hz unless they already run at a Max 60hz at 1280x1024
@@TripleMoonPanda yea i know
Interesting fact: CRT monitors are actually still used in aviation and also modern and new airliners/regional jets have them installed in the cockpit. CRJ 700 series is a passenger aircraft that is still in production with CRJ displays and Airbuses still use them. CRJ also uses CRTs for displays, that are 5x5cm small and display only frequencies, main displays are bigger and have a very weird aspect ratio. For me, CRTs in aircraft cockpit have weird effect when you move your head. But I still prefer old CRT is the cockpit because these small cockpit CRTs look so cool and you have a combination of modern aviation and old technology.
Crt monitors (not Tvs) are great for modern gaming also. They feature :
Low imput lag
Great color depth
Great contrast
High refresh rate
Great motion resolution (or clarity in movement)
Great scaling at different resolutions.
Can be cheap if you know where to look.
Thank you for making the distinction. Too many people in here thinking their 27" Sharp CRT from back in the day is better than what they have now.
Good timing. I actually picked up my parent's old family room TV while I was visiting over the holidays. I'm now the proud owner of a slightly used behemoth of a 27 inch, flat screen, SONY Trinatron CRT television.
Booyah.
I'm using a CRT right now for a different reason. My PC is lower spec, rocking a Core 2 Duo and Geforce 210. In order to get good frames I have to crank the resolution down, which loks awful on my widescreen LCD. In contrast, any resolution looks good on a CRT. Now I get more frames and generally have my games look better.
I just hope MicroLED isn't classified as a "Sample and Hold display" and will give the same motion clarity just like CRTs do at only 60Hz.
Your going to be dissapointed then mate, MicroLED is sill just LCD, only new tech is the backlight is improved for better contrast and blacks, will not even come close to CRT's motion clarity, or IQ, contrast, image depth, 0 response times for that matter.
@@olivermood8003 Yeah. Seems you simply can't beat a tube when it comes to speed and motion. LCDs have had over 20 years to catch up and it ain't happening. Even OLEDs and MiniLEDs are going to be subpar. Yeah, eventually they will get 'close enough' but only with gimmicks and insanely high refresh rates. Don't see any tech EVER being as smooth or responsive as an analog CRT was at 60Hz.
Fun fact: Some CRTs could qualify as HDR monitors. The only thing that might hold them back is brightness, but those using Trinitron technology might actually meet that requirement (was not able to find exact brightness, but Trinitron was known for being bright). CRTs have a stellar contrast ratio and they use an analog signal that can be set to any level. Unfortunately, I can't find the exact brightness information for Trinitron CRTs, so I don't know if they "truly" qualify as HDR. I also don't know if current digital to analog converters can convert a digital HDR signal to analog. But I imagine if CRTs were being manufactured today, it wouldn't be difficult to make HDR models.
You hear that?
The Melee players are coming.
Well the stench hit me before the sound did so
@@mans51 i didnt even have to look back to know
I love the smell of sweat and unwashed teeth in the morning.
@@thundereagle4130
its the TRUE mountain dew
*joystick noises intensifies*
Electrons do not move at the speed of light, unlike photons they have mass
@@onedarkgamer a photon is another name for light
@@onedarkgamer something can have either mass or energy, a photon of light is pure energy and yet can still exert a force (look up solar sail) like an particle with mass
@@onedarkgamer You're getting into quantum mechanics there. The world of electrons is very, very complicated.
@@onedarkgamer e=mc^2, mind nuked.
@@onedarkgamer
Actually the do have mass.
But no rest mass.
(The only have mass because they are moving. It's little, even compared to an electron, but it's still there)
Better way of acquiring CRT displays:
Ask around your town if they have something like NextDoor. Tons of people still have them shoved away in attics. Just keep in mind how heavy the size you want will be.
I still use a CRT for all of my retro gaming. It would be amazing if they could make new ones which were smaller and thinner!
RetroBreak can’t, it’s physically impossible to make it smaller than a certain point
I love my Samsung CRT I bought at Circuit City, 2004 was a good year😎
Bruh g oh to school. Remove the "in" between 2004 and Chicago , then put a comma in it's place. (Incase ur IQ is under 5 this is a joke)
his engrish is very goot, you engrish is bat. more improvement needed you.
@@greycircularity When you quote grammar characteristics and guidelines for a word which is made up and useless, you yourself are useless.
I remember selling it to you there, I was the worker
To all the random strangers.. Happy New year!
Little did they know that this would not be a happy year
Also:
1) CRTs are indestructible. They last forever, no matter what you do to them. Meanwhile, flatscreens break as you touch them…
2) they're cheap. I got a 25" Trinitron for €22!
3) you can play light gun games on them.
4) CRTs look cool. Seriously, what looks so cool about flatscreens? They're literally just a screen.
5) you can put stuff on top of them
6) if they have a problem, it's usually quite easy to fix (but of course don't try it if you don't know how to first)
I don't know how are you touching the flatscreens, but you are touching them wrong.
@@0xB8xor0xFF it was just a way of saying it's a lot easier to break them.
True!! Crt tvs are the best. Thats why i have 3 of them :)
@@fogliaverdeciliegia8269 cool! I got 2 at the moment, I also used to have a portable one but my parents threw it away. I don't understand why, as it worked just fine.
@@Ailgadem omg i hate when people throw good stuff away just because its old, really makes me angry
I hooked up my CRT TV upto my playstation 3 earlier. I wanted to watch a blu ray through it. I was very pleased with the result. The TV is a Sony Trinitron wide screen. I used a HDMI to composite converter.
you could just use the composite cable that comes with ps3
@@qwertyzxcvbnmasd I have the super slim. It doesn't have the composite cable included.
I recently got myself a 17 inch Dell Trinitron monitor that I found for $5 after I watched the digital foundry video about CRTs. On it I can play games at 1280x800 at 100hz and after using it for gaming for a couple weeks now I can't go back to gaming on my 1440p 60hz monitor. Even though the resolution is lower the image quality is still great (although it is softer for still images the clarity is so much better in motion then on a LCD) Colors looks just as good as my ips panel and the blacks are darker then my ex's soul, and playing at 100hz makes going back to 60hz feel like I'm playing on a console. I love it and it's really making me reconsider if I should buy a nice 1440p 144hz LCD panel, or if I should just keep looking and get lucky and find with one of those old 21 inch CRTs that can do 2048 x 1536 at 137khz horizonal refresh rate. Those things can actually do full HD 1080p at 120hz with almost 0ms of response time.
Wait and hunt down a 21" CRT mate, gaming on one of those is so much more fun and satisfying, thanks to all the stuff you said i.e zero response times, perfect motion clarity, superb natural blacks, refresh rates upto 200Hz (and CRTs handle refresh rates differently to LCD, 80Hz on CRT feels like 144Hz LCD), but then there is also the incredibly vivid inky colours, that makes so many games look incredible, gmaes like Control, Firewatch, indie games, everything looks better tbh, not to mention retro games looking at their absolute best, if your into retro games that's a nice bonus. Firing up a GameCube game on Dolphin in 1920x1440 on a 22" Sony Trinitron CRT has to be seen to be fully apreciated, words wont really do it justice. I don't know what to do with my old G-Sync 32" LED monitors, they are great for browsing the web, watching youtube and some casual gaming, so I can save my CRT tubes for when I want top draw IQ/performence.
Just hooked up the old CRT from my XP PC to my new one to watch the video XD
I’ve got an SD Trinitron, an HD Trinitron, and I just picked up a 19” NEC flat CRT monitor, one of the late ones from 2005.
Thank you, my "arcade " has 4 crts. I love em. They are all Negative Ion generators. They clean the air. Im always cleaning dust and smoke off of the screens... and it's simple, windex n paper towel.
you forgot to mention that the image and color reproduction on good CRTs monitor (not tvs) is way better then high end LCDs, especially on triple A games
@Warm Soft Kitty your deduction is based on what ?
@Warm Soft Kitty Then you have never witnessed a GDM FW900 proper calibrated in Person
@Warm Soft Kitty that's what i thought, i was using crts also from 93ish to 2006ish i i thought the same thing at that time but when you combine GOOD crts with modern games it's really something else, try it out
@Warm Soft Kittylol r u flexing ?
"PROcessing"
damn underrated comment
They're Canadian, that's just how they speak aboat these things eh
That's exactly why I have my JVC I'Art still connected in the living room next to the modern TV. 3 composite ports and I'm pretty sure there is an S-video back there somewhere make it great to have my old stuff hooked up to. Even has a button on the remote to switch it to a 16:9 aspect ratio. Currently got the PS2 and the Gamecube with the Gameboy Player hooked up to it and been thinking about pulling out the old Xbox to join in the fun.
2:39 Nope, they aren't Pixels whatsoever, they are called "Phosphor dots". Phosphor dots would determine only the Color Resolution of a given color CRT display. Hence, smaller CRTs were displaying Black And White images since adding a teeny weeny shadow mask to create the colors in a smaller display like that would decrease its brightness plus messing up the colors. (Watch Technology Connections' video thumbnailed "These Aren't Pixels.")
CRTs determine their resolution by how many horizontal lines can it draw on the screen. If you examine an old Black And White CRT, that's just a plain white screen with no dots, plus you are able to see these seamless lines making up the picture with a black and white display. These lines appear clearly seperated because of interlaced scanning. Broadcasting colored pictures took experiments like spinning a translucent R-G-B disk (The nipkow Colorwheel) in front of a small black and white TV. The colorwheel got replaced with the shadow mask accompanied by an electron gun triad rather than a single gun, (and later, Aperture Grilles like sony TRINITRON with its unique linear gun triad pattern) that guides the electron beam to 3 different phosphor coatings responsible for each color inside a phosphor dot on the go. If you still think that phosphor dots are pixels, they aren't placed in a neat squared grid. They are arranged like a honeycomb. Also, for calibration purposes, shadow masks also have included extra 4 dots around the screen at the middle of left, right, top and bottom boundaries.
I feel like most of these mainstream CZcams videos about CRT monitors get it wrong I don't feel like the main people using CRTs are competitive gamers looking for a edge without input lag I feel like it's more retrogamers looking to play things as close to original as possible or at least that's me.
You forgot the most important reason: they are A E S T H E T I C
Yes they are and I might buy myself one (I’m fifteen and haven’t had a tv in my room before) but I like these better for some reason like I like the quality better i don’t know why thought any way I thought I would share that with you🥰
@@Santisimamuerte907 Don't buy anything yet, people on eBay are scumbags that want to overcharge you by taking advantage of the "vintage" and "retro gaming" market. Remember that CRTs are something that most people don't want, so take advantage of that. Go to Craiglist and see if somebody local to your town is trying to get rid of one, you can take it from them. If you don't find any, ask your dad to get you to the nearest electronic and appliances recycling and you can convince them to give a CRT monitor (not a tv, a monitor as they have better image quality) for like 25 bucks or something. Research what monitor you want, Dell and Sonny monitors from 2000-2005 are great. If non of that works, then eBay will have to do. Good luck and welcome to the world of CRT.
@@Lambda_Ovine thanks bud
I have 4 Consumer CRT televisions. Two Trinitrons - A Widescreen model which is a superb display and a massive 34" 4:3 behomoth for retro gaming. I picked up a Panasonic Quintrix with less than 100 hours use which is also stunning. The 4th is an adorable little 14" Daewoo which I rarely use. I also use a Daewoo CRT pc monitor as my secondary monitor for older pc games and for viewing media on. If it was bigger I would use it as my primary without hesitation. I absolutely love them.
Sony triniton is so good to play in, it’s actually incredible that a tv from the 80s has such good colors
PVM / BVM is the best option for gaming 👌
Nope they suck with HighTV Lines.
For old Consoles nothing can beat JVC or Sony Trinitron Consumer look and in general a PC CRT paired with an OSSC beats any overpriced PVM/BVM shit
Hmmmm, Digital Foundary covered this a lot better a while back.
what a twist, the less clickbait group did a better job lol
Nevermind that, techquickie themselves made this same video (with linus hosting) like 5 months prior :/
I'd say it's Digital Foundry's recent CRT obsession that is why ths video exists in the first place.
Perfect content for new year 😌 Anyways HAPPY NEW YEAR GUYS✨
I am a physicist and when I hear "electrons travel at the speed of light" well... It's the same as a med student hearing "I took antibiotics, but I feel better now, so even though I have 2 more weeks to go I will stop now".
nerd
Well said sir
Shit! 🤣🤣🤣 Should have spotted that
i'm not even kidding i didn't know this and my grandma has a really big grey sony trinatron with a flat panel.
Hopefully it's not one of those "HD CRTs" that floated around in the mid-2000's. Those have terrible input lag
@@KashiwaDaisuke Yeah if it's an SD CRT & you like retro games you're in luck. If it's an HD one not so much.
@@KashiwaDaisuke not sure to be honest but it was purchased before 2000 for sure
Should've done the video with an "I ♥️ CRT" apron on
(who gets the reference)
Back to work part-time warrior!
Watched this on my Sony Trinitron 34xbr960 CRT. 15 years old and still kicking. Love this crt especially for 6th gen gaming.
Damn we don't have these HD CRTs here in Germany sadly
Several things:
1. There is a difference between CRT Monitors and CRT TVs.
2. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN INPUT LAG AND RESPONSE TIME YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS (and 1 ms response time isn't really going to be noticeable in 99.9% of cases. Flatscreens do have noticeably more input lag though)
When i was a kid, i went to my cousins house to play with his super nintendo and we take turns. But for some reason in order to get it working we stick the coax cable in the speakers for it to work. I still dont understand why.
Probably because it acts like a ground which could solve a problem with electrical surges
ground loop^^^
@@redhawkrobin I'll accept that as a mystery solved. Now i can move on with my life. I am free. 😃
@@AmeanAbdelfattah somehow I feel like I'm being trolled but ohwell what do I know 😂
@@redhawkrobin you're not, every time LTT talks about CRTs, it reminds me of that. I couldn't get any answers until now.
Let's someone finally start producing screens in SED technology. We will then have TVs/monitors with the image characteristic of CRT screens with a form factor of modern flat screens at the same time. And by the way: CRT > LCD. Period.
SED is the direction we really should've went, to bad LCDs are just cheap as shit to make compared.
sed died before it was even conceived though, in 2004.
i'm assuming that its less power efficient and pricier to manufacture than lcds, so thats why they died out.
considering how expensive prototypes are(even just pcbs) i doubt something like this would be profitable, even if funded by fans of crts.
that being said, as time goes on, things get cheaper. maybe in some years, something like a super kickstarter will show up, and fans will be able to raise enough money for it. or for some other technology
@@lutyanoalves444 If there was a Kickstarter I would totally pay over $500 for a new 24 inch 16:9 1440p 120hz CRT. Oh God could you imagine the possibilities
@@TripleMoonPanda > LCDs are just cheap as shit to make
And this is the main reason why LCD technology has won, despite its obvious disadvantages. My God, even plasma displays technology had more potential than this shitty technology that is in my opinion only suitable for Excel and Word.
I'm surprised the companies that are making high end gaming monitors dont have a line of crts or seds
CRT's are a very niche thing and there's hardly a question why. I moved about 9 months ago and while my 43" and 24" flat panel TV and PC monitor (respectively) came over immediately, I still haven't brought over my ~30" CRT TV or my 21" CRT computer monitor, even though the resolution of 1920 x 1440 is incredible! But no lag, and being able to just PLAY Duck Hunt again?! That would be great!
Happy New Year to you soon, McScruffins.
'input lag' is, imo, a wrong term to describe this kind of lag. a more correct term would be 'output lag'.
I see what you are trying to say but pressing a key is an input, and they measure input lag by how long it takes the monitor to display the keystroke
@@johnonthephone5625 "how long it takes" .. "to display".. oh what's that, something about output was it?
@@Mycon when the monitor shows you is display
Electrons don't travel at the speed of light
You're right!
They travel at the speed of electrons
@@pcchannel6294 big braon
@@pcchannel6294 sqrt(2*acceleration voltage*electron charge/electron mass)
Photons does. Which CRT TV emits.
WoWs player here, Mighty Mo (missouri) and Arizona aren't unlockable via the means of progression.
Arizona is purchasable using doubloons OR rl currency.
Missouri can ONLY be obtained via loot boxes (Santa Crates, Super containers) They call it the "Mighty Mo" for a reason. >->
I literally can't play GameCube or Wii on a modern TV without multi second input latency. I had an old Zenith CRT that my uncle handed down to me for nearly 10 years. I was pretty bummed when it died but thankfully my family held on to our old living room TV. Here's to hoping it lasts for another 10 years.
Find a TV repair shop and they can keep your tv running like new.
CRT tube means cathode ray tube tube.... XD
I have a crt just so I can use my old NES snes peripherals
best for SNES, SNES is 8:9 aspect ratio, so a CRT can handle it better and you'll have no lag.
@@samuelg7673 nice. I have noticed the systems play "better" on my crt.
eBay? That's the last place you go to get a CRT. Check Facebook Marketplace and Craigslist first. And NEVER have one shipped to you. It will most likely get destroyed.
my main 2 issues with CRTs are
1: good lord they're big! my desk is very slim so they would eat up all the room
2: X-rays are kinda dangerous!
if there's any way to slim it down a bit and soak up the X-rays, tell me!
It’s actually because it was when we had old school gaming...
OLED is up to 1000 times faster in response time than LCD
So all CRT noobs just not tried new OLED, but low resolution content will looks better on CRT anyway
Plasma faster than OLED !
@@xrayxray683 it is not , pixel response time is about the same ( about 0.01-0.001ms ) but plasma have terrible processing time and it effect the input lag a lot , plasma total input lag go upto 30-50ms and more when OLED 2019 models is about ~6ms at 120hz .
@@LordLab OLED have ghosting and very bad "White" color ! In future microLED much more better.
@@xrayxray683 you even own one ? looks like you have no idea what you talking about , also who care about future ? I am getting new one every year , best one money can buy and best one today is OLED .
@@LordLab I have CRT, Plasma, LCD and other !
Best color on CRT.
They're also good for retro gaming based on what kind of experience you are trying to get. I like experiencing them in their historical context, and it kind of takes you out of that experience when you are playing it on a device that makes the game look a lot different, even if that difference makes it look better.
Great video. Watched it on a Mitusubihi Diamond Pro 2060U from 2002. Best monitor I have ever owned.
2020!!! for CRT!!!
Every monitor is a murder weapon if you are handy enough.
Linus: World of Warships is the thinking man's action game
JayzTwoCents: I LIKE B O A T S
I've been running the same 24" LG screen my parents bought in then mid 00's, I'm not complaining about quality when I don't know any better
I still have CRT monitor.
It just so fast at gaming.
Even in 60hz, it still reacts faster than 240hz LCD panel.
Playing Counter-Strike vs expert AI is much more fun in this CRT.
inB4 people would don't know try to argue that 240hz LCD is better then 100hz CRT
Even if it reacts faster there is no way in hell you could feel the difference.
The "Competitive Gamer" James is referring to is definitely not Linus
Linus can make a new channel showcasing how bad he is at playing games. He'd have no problem filling it with content. And shots of his cheating can be used to show his kids how its done.
between near OLED level black, fastest possible response time, high refresh rate and the best possible colour bit dept (24 bit) you would think that someone would be thinking about making a modern version of CRT
I just bought two 17" Trinitron PC monitors on eBay for $50 (each) + ($60 shipping each). I think those are fair prices based on the cost of shipping. I got it mainly as a 3rd monitor and for Dreamcast 480p which looks absolutely stunning! I spent most of the year searching locally on Offer Up, Craigslist, Facebook Marketplace, etc but none popped up and I finally saw these on eBay on the same day so I couldn't resist.
Use the CRT to Play Call of Duty, and have buttery smooth advanced movement advantage over other gamers
watching this on a crt rn
watched this on my sony g520 monitor in 1920x1440 :)
eizo f-520 with option 2048x1536 ;) but only 60hz :E ;)
Lucky bastard
I always thought that input lag is the time the circuitry needs to translate the input into a signal change. The response time is the time "needed" to physically change the configuration of a pixel (I.e. Black to white) and can influence motion handling of the TV (stutter)
Yeah, I go along with you. I still miss my old Ilyama CRT monitor, it had a clarity I've never seen matched since. I'm not a gamer but, while LCDs etc were driven by the advantages in cost, efficiency, & size, CRTs still have many advantages but, unfortunately, are now unavailable. One can only hope that, due to development priorities, things echo the way digital overtook the speed advantage of analogue over digital computers.
electrons can't travel at the speed of light
Electrons have mass confirmed
nerd
@@lutyanoalves444 *pushes glasses up* Please stop bullying me for being smart ..
@@lutyanoalves444 Mocking knowledge.
@@NDMAN2011
you deserve it tho
Still I have crt monitor (LG)
I have 2 crt monitors
And4 CRT tvs in my house.
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I used to have a Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 91TXM. 1600x1200@60hz was its limit. If I still had it, it would probably be an extremely rare and valuable CRT display today. I abandoned it when I built my first custom PC over a decade ago when I went to a 1920x1200@60 pro-art rated TN LCD that didn't seem any slower response time, but I could see some slight ghosting when panning the camera view side to side. To this day I can still see the ghosting, but I have also seen better response times in newer displays. My first Korean 2560x1440@60 AH-VA from Qnix felt noticeably faster in response times. Then my Acer IPS 144hz Freesync display, while it didn't feel faster, had noticeably faster response time when dragging a window along the border between the two displays. Perhaps it was the refresh rate though creating the perception of faster response. Anyway, I digress... Point is that anyone who genuinely believes "CRTs are faster than all LCDs" is provably wrong.
1. Nostalgia.
2. Great Backlighting (flat screens don't normally have great backlighting).
3. Durability (you can literally drop a CRT and it'll still mostly work; you SNEEZE on a flat screen and it's busted).