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Pressurized VS Non Pressurized Portafilter | Delonghi Dedica EC685 and Graef CM702 Grinder |☕️
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Espresso machine: Delonghi Dedica EC685
Grinder: Graef CM702
Porfafilter: 51mm bottomless 3 pin portafilter.
Links to where to buy the portafilter:
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Non pressurized gives that rich velvety syrupy goodness you just can't get with pressurized. Yum
Interesting video.
Personally, I use a pressurized filter and the crema of my coffees does not look at all like the one in the video.
It is much thicker and bubble-free.
And even with a pressurized filter, using pre-ground coffee will never give you the same results as freshly ground coffee. It's obvious.
I have Graef 702 and Dedica too. With NON-pressurized I need to use tier 3 or 4 on Graef 702. With Presurized I use tier 8 (so coarser)
My basket is clogged and I didnt know you can pull the inside piece :) Thanks to your vid i figured that.
Umm, where's the rest of the coffee? That's not a 30ml shot and you can travel all across Europe visiting 10000 cafes and never receive such a small shot. This is some Montreal type shot and I guarantee that pressurized or non-pressurized it's going to taste terrible.
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Look at the espresso’s crema
That’s one of the big differences right ?
@Sam Alharbi, yes that’s one of the differences. We found out that the crema from the non Pressurized portafilter is richer, thicker and lasts longer. 😊
Had no idea of the difference before watching this video, just knew the non pressured looked cooler, but couldn't put a name on the thing!
Delonghi has upgraded their pressurized portafilter. It does not look like the one in the vid. Its got a spring inside and a valve. The ones shown in the vid with mesh and one single hole out the bottom is an old design that makes fake crema because it sprays out that one hole. The new designs dont spray out. They have a spring loaded valve and make much better crema because there is no spraying out a tiny hole causing aeration.
I've bought mine 3 days ago and mine comes with a "old portafilter" just like in the video.
Are you shure that these spring portafilters are part of the 685?
I can't seem to find such springbased portafilters as buyable replacement either.
@@leondrews1 I have a Delonghi Stilosa. Its a newer designed model then the Dedica versions. Pretty sure Dedica has the old style portafilters with one tiny hole out the bottom.
@@alchemicalanarchist it's not old or new, simply different PF for dedica and stilosa.
Greetings, I would like to know which grinder to use with the, delonghi, since qoe is a finer grind, for the portafilter without plezurisar.
Very good video, but I also want to know how much coffee powder you use and the approximate extraction time thx！
Hi there, we use between 16g to 18g of coffee and the extraction takes about 25 seconds to 28 seconds .😊
I have delonghi ec 820. Do you think I could use the same handle (portafilter) like for 685? It is has also 51mm, 3 ears. I am not sure about thickness of the ears. I have tried to search on the internet, even talked to some sellers on aliexpress, but noone helped me out...
I have the same non pressurized portafilter, and the fit is just not tight. Coffee/water will keep leaking out from the top side while brewing.
Hi there, I think your busket is not the right one for the machine. The one I am uesing is a 3 pin 51 mm for Delongi ec685. Before I also used a 51mm busket that was not made for this machine and it leaked. Hope it helps. :-)
@@od1286 ah.. I checked mine is 51mm with 3 pins as well. Anyway, thanks!
Hi Valence, could it be the basket inside the portafilter... maybe is not the same design as the original basket for the Delonghi EC685. If you look carefully the Dedica basket has a ring design at the top. Hope this helps!
I already grinded my coffee very fine but why my coffee still running out so quick
Hi, please help me solve my problem with my coffee machine. I can not get a good coffee not with one wall filter basket and not with two walls filter basket. I changed all the sizes for a grind and a burr and did not change the taste,color and consistency. The coffee flow is fast and no coffee cream. I changed the grinding from fine to large and no changes,it doesn't even look like your coffee.
@serghei toca :Hi there, it could be that the extraction time is too short not allowing the oils from the beans to be realeased or maybe due to not enough coffee in the basket. You could try to use between 16 to 18 grams of coffee for a double basket, grind it thinner, adjust the water temperature to medium, strongly tamp and use as fresh as possible beans. The extraction should take between 25 to 35 seconds for 2oz of espresso. Hope it helps!
We share almost the same setup: E685, Graef 702 (I have 802), and same unpressurized portafilter but I can't get good results so always using the pressurized one cause is easier (and not happy neither).
On pressurized I have to grind at nº 10, if I do less the Dedica chokes and gives no liquid at all having to stop and throw away the basket.
On unpressurized, at 8, seems very very fine like flour but still the crema is weak, taste acidic and the extraction time isn't between 20-28... taste ain't nice at all. If I do coarsed than nº 8 grind, I get an underextracted coffee tasting horrible and if I do finer the dedica chokes again.
Both with always around 14 grams of coffee, despite trying 16 and even 18. Haven't tried fresh beans yet (couple of lavazza's oro and supercrema from amazon with maybe 3/4 months since roasted and once 100 grams from a coffee bar they grinded for me as espresso fine grind but still did super bad).... I know I have to try fresh beans but till now very frustrated in the process.
BTW, on second take you get 23 seconds of extraction (a dream to me). Do you just pull the double shot without caring about the ratio and never stopped before for an X amount of liquid? and how many grams you get best results with double shot? nice videos and keep going!
Hi Uri, in the beginning we also had the same problems, in that time we used lavazza (Crema e Gusto and Rosa) and Starbucks Breakfast blend...we didn’t get crema and sometimes we also tried to add more than 20 grams of coffee and the machine choked; so we decided to use fresh beans, grind them using the finest setting and use between 16 to 20 grams of coffee and finally we got better results (this has to be adjusted depending on the beans).
Before we had the Saeco Poemia, that machine could take any type of coffee and give good results but with the Dedica we really need to work to get crema. We found out that there are a few factors that play a role, like fresh coffee, tamping, water temperature and grinding setting. Hope with time you can achieve the results you want. Wish you all the best.
Great results! I've seen you're using the mininum grind level for CM702. Any other grinder modifications are required?
@Adrian S. Hi there, we haven't added or removed any distance ring to our grinder, we use it as it came. We grind to the finest setting. For a double shot the suggested timing is 25 to 40 seconds per 60ml of espresso. Hope it helps. 😊
@@od1286 Thank you for your response! My Graef grinder will arrive soon, can't wait to test it. I'm using non-pressurised basket from the same company, but the results are poor with blade grinder.
Hi I have a de longhi dedica and I cant make fine or ultra fine coffe with is it because of the portafilter or the machine it self?
Pls help.
Hi there, I think you should get the grinder to get the desired you like . Remember the Delonghi Dedica also can’t take too fine cake it will choke. Hope it helps. Have very nice new year.
Great video! Did you get your bottomless portafilter from Amazon or AliExpress?
Hi there, I got my portafilter from AliExpress.
Hi, how can I change the time of extraction in my delonghi in order to have 25 to 30 seconds? Thank you!
Hi there, here is a link how to program amount of the coffee. (czcams.com/video/yQz0yiz3oIU/video.html) Hope it helps.
Thanks 😊
Hi there. Great video! I have a question. If I use pre-ground coffee with the non pressurized portafilter, will I get better results than with the pressurized one using the same pre-ground coffee? Thanks in advance :)
Yes it would taste better but not by much espresso in a non pressurised basket usually requires a very fine grind and pre ground coffee is usually quite coarse and to be used with french press pour over moka pot etc but not for espresso but with pressurised baskets grind size is not critical and most times you can get away with pre ground coffee hope this helps
No. If you're buying pre-ground you'll need to use the pressurized basket or you'll be making a mess.
did you modify the Graef machine to have a fine grind? and if so can you make us a video how to modify it thank you
Hi there, I didn’t modify the grinder. Sorry can’t help.
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this is fix the main issue with this machine most the time when the grinder is too fine ,the machine will get stuck...
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I have a question, I am new to the world of espresso and a while ago I got my first machine(KRUPS XP3208) , the machine uses a presurrrized portafilter and the extraction for a double dose of 60 ml is done from 8-10 seconds, I have to change the grind size or is normal due to the system it uses
? ( I read online that extraction is faster than in a non pressurized portafilter but with such a big difference ? ) ..
@WorldTraveller GR: Hi there, we think it might be that your grind was too coarse, try grinding it finer, for a double shot the suggested timing is between 25 to 40 seconds per 60ml of espresso. We noticed that the extraction time using either portafilter is very similar. Hope it helps. 😊
Hello! I have the exact same setup. I purchased an unpressurized basket, but I find that it tastes worse than the original basket... it brings out the unpleasant coffee flavors somehow, this strange dry mouthfeel, and the coffee doesn't even taste close to the smell of the freshly ground beans. It's a medium dark decaf in buying from a local roaster. I'm experimenting with grind settings and coffee quantities, but not much luck so far. It feels overextracted I think. The best so far was with grind setting 10 and 14 grams of coffee. I tried with 1&16 grams like you suggested in one of your comments, but it wasn't as good. Any idea what I could be doing wrong?
Hi there, i think maybe you can try to adjust your grinder to the finest setting also the tamping is very important and I would really recommend you use 16g or 18g of coffee cos 10g to 14g for the non pressurized portafilter is too little amount. Hope it helps.
@@od1286 thanks for tip for me too with this comment i too dont know how many grams use. For mr i bough electric grinder but normal one its not bad it had so high review in shop. But it cant adjust anything just push the button and checking how much it grinded. More you push more fine it will be .
Oh so i need to light temper it ? I bought similiar temper like you ftom delonghi since plastic was bad. But coffee fall too quickly and tasted bitter even though i have 100% arabica. And crema didnt last more than 1 minute. First i want try succes with original filter if not i will try buy bottomless filter too . Its not that bad coffee how instant , but still pong way for me. Its my first coffee machine and have it just 4th day now
Hi there, maybe you need to grind your coffee more finely and tamp a little bit more.
@@od1286 yeah i cant believe how big difference have 1second more frindering my coffee. I bought new but now i feels bad i bought it should put just little more and get better one . My work on button more pushing button= more grinded. Anyway thats why icouldnt put more to basket it wasnt hrinded finely , later i tryed do it again and more finely and boom irs fits and had good crema but waa bitter since i ocergrinded ir 😂. Today was everything ok , i would love buye bottomless fiter but nowhere to buy or if yes then from sifference countries and i dont trust its delivery . And in mine country it ocost more but even nor sure if it would be good for my delonghi too , but later i will try for now it work great 😊
@@redeye8386 maybe you can get it from Amazon
@@od1286 thats problem. Cheapest shipping 12€ and in my country its not that popular . Not many use it maybe not even 10% of people
Hi.
I've bought the same machine (it will arrive today/tomorroy) and grinder, i noticed that you use the grinder at fine "1", is it the same for both baskets? our "1" for non pressurized and a bit coarser for the pressurized ? i'm asking because i thought the pressurized basket that comes with the machine is made to deal with the pre grinded coffe sold on supermarkets that isnt that fine .
@Guedes Hi there, we use the same grinding setting for both baskets. We realized that when using pre ground coffee with this machine, the coffee doesn’t come out that well
Great video! Enjoyed it so much as I just bought a Dedica 685 model, and using finely grounded coffee powder like yours too. I put 2 scoops, around 16g and 18g like yours too but the coffee doesn't come out at all. However when I used 1 scoop then it is ok. Is it due to the fine powder? Any tips? Thanks!
Hi Simon, just wondering which portafilter you are using, if you are using the original pressurized portafilter 12g should be enough.
Also if you can, try to use fresh beans and grind them using a burr grinder. I am sure you are going to get great results. 🎃 👻
If you're using the pressurised portafilter that comes with it, then you'll need to go with less coffee, around 14g, and the grind needs to be a little coarser. You can still get a nice espresso out of it. It's just the pressurised basket does limit the grind.
Can the delonghi portafiler use non pressurized baskets?
@@TimothyHurley i would also like to know 😅
@@TimothyHurley it can but you need to remove the plastic inside the filter.
Great video. I use the same filter, but even with my finest powder the water flow is too fast 18 sec on a double shot. You know I could fix that? I use distributor and tamper as well. Thanks in advance
@RageQuit Domek Hi there, for the non pressurized portafilter you can try grinding finer, we grind our coffee using the finest setting and tamp strongly. If you get a chance, we would suggest you to get your own burr grinder and grind your beans daily, that way you can adjust the fineness and dial your machine until you get the results that you want, plus you will have freshly ground coffee every day 😉 We suggest you to use beans not older than two weeks old. Hope this helps.☺️
hi i have. question, with regards to the non preasurized one, my coffee result is quite more on the liquid side...is it because i need to grind my beans into a very fine one and must press the tap very tightly to get the best crema effect of the coffee?
@Gigs AM hi there , for the extraction you could try to use between 16 to 18 grams of coffee for a double basket, grind it thinner, adjust the water temperature to medium or high depending on your coffee, strongly tamp and use as fresh as possible beans. The extraction should take between 25 to 35 seconds for 2oz of espresso. Hope it helps.😊
thank you so much i will try that.. thanks for your help
i use fine coffee on my pressurised original basket and the the puck is soupy.. i can only put 10-11g of coffee.. the flow is not smooth.. what went wrong?
@@juliakong6474 coffee is probably too fine for the pressurized filter
Thanks so much. Is this non-pressurized portafilter suitable for a cecorec cafelizzia machine?
@YinYang Hi there, unfortunately this portafilter is make for the delonghi dedica.
do you use the same amount of coffee for both portafilter?
Hi there, for the pressurized 12g and bottomless 18g.
Thanks for this..
Hi, I have the same coffee machine and non pressurized portafilter. For some reason, the coffee splited everywhere in the middle of the extraction process and I don't get the nice and clean one shot like you do. I lost a lot of coffee :( Do you know what could happened?
@Bee Charmer Hi There, could it be the basket inside the portafilter... maybe is not the same design as the original basket for the Delonghi EC685. If you look carefully the Dedica basket has a ring design at the top. Hope this helps!
@@od1286 maybe is that the problem. The new basket has a smaller ring than the delonghi dedica basket. Thank You so much for your information!
Does a non-pressurized but non-naked portafilter exist? One that is not pressurized but does have the spouts.
Compatible with this machine, i mean
@ILsupereroe67 Hi there, We think they don’t sell the one you are saying for this machine you only can get the naked portafilter. Hope it helps.☺️
Hi What setting is your grinder on? I have the same one.
and one more thing the non pressurized basket is single shot or double shot ?
Hi ther ours is double shot basket.
Thanks a lot
Hello, I want to buy that portafilter.
Does the filter come with the portafilter?
Thanks in advance!!
Hi there, yes, the non pressurized portafilter come with basket.
Nice video! I've got the same non-pressurised basket but I get a lot of channeling and the shot is extracting too quickly. I've increased the dose to 21g and always ask for the finer espresso grind from coffee roasters but the shot is still coming out too fast, about 16sec, and I can see some coffee particles in the bottom of my cup. I don't know what else to try.
@Alex B hi there , for the extraction you could try to use between 16 to 18 grams of coffee for a double basket, grind it thinner, adjust the water temperature to medium or high depending on your coffee, strongly tamp and use as fresh as possible beans. The extraction should take between 25 to 35 seconds for 2oz of espresso. Hope it helps.😊
@@od1286 How does one adjust the water temp?
@@andylovephotography9717 hi there, here is a link how to adjust the water temperature czcams.com/video/hZ2cvUnKtQ8/video.html
If you don't have a grinder you can't use non pressurized.
This video is a pure gem ! Please where can i find this portfilter, i want the same than yours, i would be grateful if you could tell me where can i find it( i'm in Europe) i guess from aliexpress, but i want quality and i will pay the price, and maybe things in this website are not always trustable. cheers
@Mansour Baouadi Hi there, we are in Europe too and we bought it from this seller and the quality is very good here is a link :
Links to where to buy the portafilter:
a.aliexpress.com/_mMZ6b1t
Hope it helps.☺️
@@od1286 Thank you again for everything you’ve done! i just bought it, i will give you my review :D
@@od1286 hey i juste received the same botomless portfilter i ordered it on amazon but more expensive i wanted it quickly but the Coffee is not as i expected how much gramm of fresh Coffee you use to have this crema and how much pressure ( strongly or really strongly) you use With your hand to tamp it correctly. Tanks a lot.
@Mansour Baouadi : Hi there, for the crema you could try to use between 16 to 18 grams of coffee for a double basket, grind it thinner, adjust the water temperature to medium or high depending your coffee , strongly tamp and use as fresh as possible beans. The extraction should take between 25 to 35 seconds for 2oz of espresso.
Hope it helps 😊
@@od1286 thanks for the answer i tryed what you adviced me and indeed i have a much better crema and richer taste maybe a little bit too strong. When you say fresh bean what you mean ? I actually grind my beans with my grinder, maybe you advice me to buy some freshly roasted bean to have a better results?? Mmh interesting. By the way the filter that i have with the portfilter is to deep, in my opinion this is made for double espresso. In my opinion i have to buy a 51 mm filter les deep made for espresso. But there is a last issue with this dedica, this is the time of extraction for espresso which is too fast almost 15 second, and as you know 20 is the minimum to get the best taste, what do you advice me to have a longer extraction than 15 sec for espresso, push one more time a few more second to have a total of minimum 20 sec for an espresso? Thank you so much for all what you do!
Hi At what temperature did you set the hot or medium water?
Thanks
@ Andrew 1289 Hi there the water temperature we step up high. Hope it helps 😊
I have that m/c it pulls way better shots than that, you've over tamped the coffee and wasn't level
Hi, could I use a non pressurized filter in a bottom portafilter?
Hi there, normally the bottomless portafilter come with non pressurized bucsket . Hope it helps.
Hi! I have the same setup. How fine do you go, with each portafilter? (with the graef) Thank you!
@Levente Kovács Hi there, we use finest setting for both portafilter the only difference is the tamping strength. Hope it helps.☺️
I have also same tools you got. But My ec685 is not working to 1-15 grind size. Is it a machine problem or tamper force? I bought it 1 months ago. While I was trying to have a shot, water is stuck in portafilter. Wondering about machine performance?
@@kerembabalk816 Hi mate! Im having the same problem. Did your machine come with the extra washers? In my case it did not, so im guessing that extra washers are already implemented on the grinder. Thats why i cant even use my non pressurized portafilter with the finest grind.
nice!!
How many tablespoons of coffee for a double shot pull?
@Vic hi there for the double shot we get 2 zo of coffee is about 4 tablespoons. Hope it helps.😊
I saw you use the finest grind setting on this Graef grinder. Did you have any situation, when actually finer grind setting was needed?
Hi there, for me the reason why I used the finest setting is because if I don’t use it, I can’t get the perfect crema.😊
@@od1286 Thanks for the answer😀 I'm about to buy coffee setup identical as yours and I was thinking wether the Graef CM702 will be fine or choose something more expensive such as the Graef CM802. What do you think about that?
@piter.2015 Good to hear, l haven’t tried the other grinder model, I suppose it will be good, too. Hope you find the right combination for you.😊
@@od1286 Thank you!
@@od1286 Have you tried light to medium rosted single origin coffee? I haven't tried the naked portafilter, but I did cut off the bottom of the all in one pressurised basket (without rubber insert) that came with the ec680. However with my setup, I would struggle to dose much more than 11.5g, and less for a darker roast.
Hey, I just got a non pressurised filter. I’m using delonghi dedica and the dedica grinder. I’m using around 16.5gr coffee. My issue is no creme... I like my coffee more acidic so I like the taste... bleh at would you recommend. Also when you made this video do you choose cup for one or two options?
I would appreciate your tips and tricks! Also the. Temper is it 51mm what you using?
@Maqsoudi Adam : Hi there, for the crema you could try to use between 16 to 18 grams of coffee for a double basket, grind it thinner, adjust the water temperature to medium, strongly tamp and use as fresh as possible beans. The extraction should take between 25 to 35 seconds for 2oz of espresso.
For the acidic we will suggest you get the coffee beans from the Africa region and buy the one are light or medium roast.
In this video we choose the double cup. Hope it helps 😊
@@od1286 do you think i should invest into a better grinder. We have the dedica grinder and find it a bit corse
@Maqsoudi Adam : the one we have is not an expensive one (around 100€) but it does an excellent job. We haven’t tried the Delonghi grinder. Hope to be of help!
@@od1286 I saw that’s the graef 702 which you using!
@Maqsoudi Adam : Yes, it’s Graef CM 702.
Hi. Will the bottomless portafilter work on my Delonghi Stilosa?
@Francisco Collazo Hi there, this bottomless portafilter doesn’t fit your machine, our portafilter’s size is 51mm and it’s got 3 pins. Hope it helps.😊
@@od1286 thank you for confirming!
How do you get your crema to look so nice? I just got a non pressurised filter and my crema keeps coming out very light in colour which I understand is a sign of an underextracted shot. I don't have a grinder but I'm using coffee that was grinded in the roastery today. I've asked them to do a "standard" espresso grind for one bag and a slightly coarser one for another, but neither seem to come out nicely.
@fpl Hi there, for the non pressurized portafilter you can try grinding finer, we grind our coffee using the finest setting and tamp strongly. If you get a chance, we would suggest you to get your own burr grinder and grind your beans daily, that way you can adjust the fineness and dial your machine until you get the results that you want, plus you will have freshly ground coffee every day 😉 We suggest you to use beans not older than two weeks old. Hope this helps.☺️
@@od1286 Thanks! Do you ever find that your machine gets clogged with a fine grind? It seems to happen to mine quite often with a finer grind.
@fpl In the beginning it happened to us, but after when we adjusted our tamping strength and use 16g to 18g of coffee then it stop happening . Hope it helps.☺️
@@od1286 Thanks for the advice, wish me luck! :)
did you ever experience any channeling on your non pressurized portafilter?
@Kevin, yes we have. We try to avoid channeling by adjusting the grinding settings, the amount of coffee we use and the tamping pressure. We also found out that distributing the coffee evenly within the portafilter avoids air pockets and prevents channeling.Hope to be of help!
@@od1286 Thank you for your reply. I did buy myself a new grinder. I used the breville dose control before and I get a lot of clumps. I upgraded to Eureka Notte. I hope it's a lot better. Thanks
Great to hear! Enjoy it 😊
@@od1286 Thank you
Can I use pressures basket with bottomless portafilter?
Hi there, yes you can do that.😀
@@od1286 but in this case, it will be meaningless to use a bottomless portafilter. Am I wrong?
Hi! I'm using delonghi dedica 685.m too. Recently I have bought a bottomless portafilter, which is said to be compatible with 685. Hope it works.
But as far as i know, pressurized portafilter is better for a little coarser or uneven grinds. I use melitta molino as a grinder. I have a feeling that it grinds a little coarser than it should be even when it is set as 1.
I guess I will have to tamp harder as much as I can with my new portafilter. Is there anything else I can do? I also bought a leveler too. What grinder ur using if I may ask?
@llker Hi there, about the pressurized portafilter you are right , but for the non pressurized portafilter you really need to grind finer our grinder is Graef CM702. Hope this helps! 😀
Can i use this machine for a small coffee store ?? 👌
@Tu Truong. Hi there, if you are not going to make a lot of coffees you could do it, but actually this coffee machine is made for home use. Hope it helps. 😀
@@od1286 so how about if i just use this machine to make 50 cups/1day?? 😁
@Tu Truong We will suggest you to get the Rancilio Silvia Pro or Gaggia classic pro. ☺️
@@od1286 thank you very much bro 🙆
Do you do double shot or single?
Hi there, double.
@@od1286 how many grams of beans?
@@srkgv 16g to 18g
How much gram for non presurized?
Hi there, 16 to 18 grams.
@@od1286 will try latter...thanks man
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I have nicer coffee with original portafilter than you