I have a '21 Chevrolet Silverado RST with the LM2. I tow a '21 Keystone Cougar 25RDS (29'11", 6150 dry and about 7k loaded, 8800 GVWR). I use an Equal-I-zer 4P hitch. All of my weights are well within spec. My truck tows it extremely well. I did add D rated tires before our last trip (KC to Galveston) and they vastly improved handling and performance.
Thanks for that info. I want one for our Keystone bullet 29 footer. Similar specs. Good to hear it handles it well. Now just waiting for more realistic pricing. Around here they are still holding to MSRP, bastids.,, lol.
my dad has the f150 with the 3.0l baby powerstroke...it is a towing dream...5k up to 10k....is amazing at towing and mileage.. he gets 28mpg empty.. and 18mpg towing a 5000lb refrigerated trailer..
I just traded my 2021 LM2 Duramax for a Powerstroke to haul my cargo toy hauler. It hauled well, my only complaint was DEF usage when towing. I used 7 boxes of DEF driving from TX to CO and back.
I have a 21 Chevy 3.0 RST CC for almost 2 years. I tow a Flagstaff 21fbrs with it. No issues towing the trailer. I am good on all the weights (checked at a truck stop) and it tows fine. I get about 12-14mpg. Love the truck. Mileage (just the truck) 25-26 city and 29-30 on the highway.
Great video, looking forward to your future videos with this truck. I always cringe at people who don't load their trailers properly, or are not using the correct vehicle to tow.
I wish I could post pics here. Just to illustrate the differences between different models of the same truck, this is what my '23 Sierra SLT with LZ0 and Max tow looks like: GVWR: 7300 GCWR: 17800 RGAWR: 4150 Curb Weight: 5509 Max Payload: 1791 Conventional trailer: 11800, Max tongue: 1180 Gooseneck: trailer 8100, Max tongue: 1215 If I'd gone with 20" wheels conventional trailer goes up to 13000 lbs, not sure about gooseneck.
Great video. People get too hung up on trailer weight when in reality the size and type of trailer you’re towing is far more important. This is true with any truck but it’s especially true with half tons. So good job in pointing this out. Your enclosed trailer would be a good match for the truck and it will do pretty good with it. But that same trailer in say a 24’ or especially a 28’ is really starting to push it with a half ton in my opinion. I think flat trailers or boats are ok even at close to the max weight rating for half tons. But an enclosed type trailer that’s getting close to 30’ long overall length is too much for any half ton, even if the weight is under the trucks rating.
I'm so glad you brought up the subject of the 20ft enclosed trailer. My 5.3L Sierra has similar towing numbers, I was also considering purchasing the same trailer. Hopefully you do speak more about the cargo trailer.
When it comes to towing, the Denali is the least capable GM full size 1500 you can buy. The turbo 4 banger with an 8 speed is rated to tow more. Mag ride may be the reason.
Nice video. I keep dreaming of an F150 with heavy duty payload package and upwards of 2409 pound payload. If the gm 3.0 had that kind of payload I would buy one in a heart beat
I'll describe what these "three digit codes" are that GM uses, such as LZO. They are called RPO codes, which is the acronym for Regular Production Option. GM has been using these for many, many years. A different code is assigned to every conceivable piece of equipment (option, variation of gear ratio, etc). They are standardized across nearly their entire line of vehicles, particularly "axle ratio". LZ0 (zero) is the RPO code for the new version of the 3.0L Duramax. Previous version was LM2. Another example for the purpose of my explanation of RPO Codes is the 6.6L Duramax. First gen 6.6L was LB7, then came the LLY, LBZ (the holy grail of the 6.6L), LMM, LML and currently we have the L5P. I have a 2009 LML Duramax. These codes used to be on a sticker in the glovebox. I haven't shopped new trucks in a long time, so I am not sure if that sticker still exists in the glove box. You can give the VIN to a dealer and they can print out a BUILD SHEET which will list every RPO code that a given truck is built with.
I see one issue with this video. This isn’t with the max tow package on the truck. Max tow brings it up to about 13k lbs depending on which configuration you have. Just so you can let your viewers know and make a decision based on that.
A tip for furture videos. There are programs that will split the audio and video of your recordings. You should do that so when you go to edit you can use a continuous shot while using clipped audio. The video clipping throughout the video is kind of distracting. Good info though. If I go with GMC for my next truck Ill be getting this engine. The only negative of the truck Ive heard from a few videos is the seats are uncomfortable. What is your opinion of the seats for long drives?
It will be interesting to see how it tows, but I think the diesel in all the the brands in the half ton models just have too many compromises with larger trailers that gas max tow packages can handle within their specs. Plus, Diesel prices are a lot higher than even premium gasoline, and I live in an oil production state! I just don't see how they make economic sense like they did years ago when diesel was cheaper than regular gas, and there was no DEF to worry about.
I have a 19 trail boss and it dies pulling my 12’ utility trailer with my 1600 lb sxs. I have the 5.3 with 6 speed and it’s computer makes it an absolute turd. I drive from Alberta to Kansas once or twice a year and would never do the trip pulling my sxs because the truck would absolutely die in Montana and Wyoming. It’s sad really because the stickers say it can pull almost 9000 lbs, my truck pulling that kind of weight would probably break the truck pulling off the lot.
Your truck does not have the max tow package. My 2023 GMC 3.0 crew cab, regular bed with max tow package. Is rated for 11,700lbs towing. Max tow package gives you 3.73 gears, 9.7 “rear end, bigger radiator and a few more items.
I am sure he is aware of that, as we all were, however unless you order one and wait months and months, you really cant find them with that package on the lot.
Hey, thanks for posting this - I have a question :) - Do you happen to know if - that 880lb max tongue weight listed there (for a conventional trailer mounted to the factory hitch) - is that taking into account a properly setup weight distributing hitch, OR just a direct connection to the hitch? There is a MASSIVE difference (in my years of towing experience) between those 2 setups, so just wondering if GM denotes the difference, OR if they don't. I'm guessing they don't, as it doesn't appear to be annotated on that placard - unless you know about this? 880 lbs on a 7000lb trailer vs 880lb tongue on the same trailer using a properly setup WDH will transfer up to 30+% of that weight towards the front axle thus reducing that actual pin weight by a long shot
That number should be the tongue weight total, including weight distribution. If I remember correctly, I think GM recommends weight distribution at 5k and above since like you said, it makes a big difference
Some one needs to tell some one at corporate you guys need to have more full blown commercials or ads for these beautiful trucks. You rearly see a GMC or brand new Chevy commercial. May be they simply want you to CZcams it and figure it out for yourself. I dont know? I stand to be corrected!
Why is gooseneck rating lower than bumper pull? I thought the point of the gooseneck/5th wheel connection was it spreads weight over the whole frame of the truck better
Because this is a half ton truck not recommended for that kind of weight, (no full floated axle, no two-three staged leaf spring, the chassis and frame, transmission and engine is not robust and sturdy and thick like on a heavy-duty model like a 3/4 , full ton duty.
According to what I've learned, they are lower because a gooseneck hitch places more weight on the vehicle. The GAWR and GVWR are the limiting factors on LD trucks. The reason HD trucks can tow so much heavier goosenecks is because they have much higher GA & GVWR.
With a gooseneck or 5th wheel, 100% of the pin weight is going on the rear axle. When towing conventional (bumper pull), you can use a WDH to spread out the tongue weight and keep from crushing the rear springs. So you can support more tongue weight (and therefore a larger trailer).
The conventional towing tongue weight of 880 is 10 percent of the max convention trailer recommendation (8800 Lb). !0 percent is a standard safe trailer tongue weight recommendation. The payload capacity is limited by the axles and brake components and gets reduced quickly by all of the weight in a vehicle like this with a ton of options.
I would love to see what's the biggest RV you could tow with it. My 21 Silverado can do 9k pounds on the sticker and I am curious on what the size would be.
I'd kill to see how it does towing that enclosed trailer. Pretty much no videos with a loaded enclosed trailer on these trucks. Everything is all about heavy loads on a flatbed or dump trailer.
Anything it tows will have to be on the smaller end. Truthfully though, most people don't need to tow heavy trailers on the average day. I'm curious to see how it would handle a midsize light version bumper pull RV with a slide out. Nothing fancy, but loaded with all of the gear for a weekend boondocking trip.
I've got my 5 x10 and a small fishing boat but a half ton won't work for the stock trailer or the fifthwheel even my bumper pull equipment trailer would probably overload this truck
It would tow it just fine. Get the max trailing package. It boosts your towing numbers. His truck is loaded out with all the gadgets and that’s why his towing numbers are so low on his truck. That 3.0 is a great motor for towing and you will get good gas mileage doing so.
Don’t buy anything made in Mexico , poor quality it doesn’t last ,just watch Scotty, who is a mechanic, for 50 years and he is on CZcams he will tell you all about things made in Mexico especially vehicles made in Mexico or partially made in Mexico, cheap cheap made
@Leisa Gomez I disagree as all of the Mexicans that I know take great pride in their work. Additionally, these vehicles are built to the manufacturer's standards regardless of assembly plant. My '21 Sierra was built in Mexico and has been flawless. I bet that if I parked it next to a US made Sierra, no one would know the difference by looking at its fit, finish, and the way it drives. Hell, I would almost argue that the ones in Mexico are possibly built better due to them valuing their jobs. I'm American and personally know a lot of lazy fellow friends and even family members that don't want to work and I sure as hell wouldn't want them building my truck, but that's a whole other story...
@@v8chevy788 I’ve had 2 vehicles made there and they starting coming apart after 6 months. My husband is from there so I know all about it. Vehicles made there are not made well one reason is they don’t get paid well at all there. A lot of Hispanics are very gated workers but very poor manufacturing is done in Mexico and that’s sad
@@leisagomez6304 I guess everyone's mileage will vary, but in June, I will have had mine for 2 yrs and I expect to have over 30,000 miles on it and it has been nothing but excellent.
I really like the weight rating stickers on Gm. Keeps things simple.
17 min video with 2 min worth of useful info
I have a '21 Chevrolet Silverado RST with the LM2. I tow a '21 Keystone Cougar 25RDS (29'11", 6150 dry and about 7k loaded, 8800 GVWR). I use an Equal-I-zer 4P hitch. All of my weights are well within spec. My truck tows it extremely well. I did add D rated tires before our last trip (KC to Galveston) and they vastly improved handling and performance.
Thanks for that info. I want one for our Keystone bullet 29 footer. Similar specs. Good to hear it handles it well. Now just waiting for more realistic pricing. Around here they are still holding to MSRP, bastids.,, lol.
my dad has the f150 with the 3.0l baby powerstroke...it is a towing dream...5k up to 10k....is amazing at towing and mileage..
he gets 28mpg empty.. and 18mpg towing a 5000lb refrigerated trailer..
You are the best at talking. And adjectives.
Thank you for your content
I tow a keystone hideout 28rks, with my 2022 elevation 3 litre diesel. I put the RAS on and 10 ply tires, it tows amazing, no issue's, and get 16MPG.
That truck looks really good in front of your black big cargo trailer.
I just traded my 2021 LM2 Duramax for a Powerstroke to haul my cargo toy hauler. It hauled well, my only complaint was DEF usage when towing. I used 7 boxes of DEF driving from TX to CO and back.
I have a 21 Chevy 3.0 RST CC for almost 2 years. I tow a Flagstaff 21fbrs with it. No issues towing the trailer. I am good on all the weights (checked at a truck stop) and it tows fine. I get about 12-14mpg. Love the truck. Mileage (just the truck) 25-26 city and 29-30 on the highway.
Great video, looking forward to your future videos with this truck. I always cringe at people who don't load their trailers properly, or are not using the correct vehicle to tow.
I wish I could post pics here. Just to illustrate the differences between different models of the same truck, this is what my '23 Sierra SLT with LZ0 and Max tow looks like:
GVWR: 7300
GCWR: 17800
RGAWR: 4150
Curb Weight: 5509
Max Payload: 1791
Conventional trailer: 11800, Max tongue: 1180
Gooseneck: trailer 8100, Max tongue: 1215
If I'd gone with 20" wheels conventional trailer goes up to 13000 lbs, not sure about gooseneck.
Great video. People get too hung up on trailer weight when in reality the size and type of trailer you’re towing is far more important. This is true with any truck but it’s especially true with half tons. So good job in pointing this out.
Your enclosed trailer would be a good match for the truck and it will do pretty good with it. But that same trailer in say a 24’ or especially a 28’ is really starting to push it with a half ton in my opinion.
I think flat trailers or boats are ok even at close to the max weight rating for half tons. But an enclosed type trailer that’s getting close to 30’ long overall length is too much for any half ton, even if the weight is under the trucks rating.
most people are clueless about payload and towing safety etc, what can you do!
Yes please show rv’s this truck can tow. I feel that wold be the most helpful for so many and to use the weigh safe hitch.
I'm so glad you brought up the subject of the 20ft enclosed trailer. My 5.3L Sierra has similar towing numbers, I was also considering purchasing the same trailer. Hopefully you do speak more about the cargo trailer.
When it comes to towing, the Denali is the least capable GM full size 1500 you can buy. The turbo 4 banger with an 8 speed is rated to tow more. Mag ride may be the reason.
yep, all the fancy stuff adds weight to the truck and reduces cargo and trailering
Nice video. I keep dreaming of an F150 with heavy duty payload package and upwards of 2409 pound payload. If the gm 3.0 had that kind of payload I would buy one in a heart beat
I'll describe what these "three digit codes" are that GM uses, such as LZO.
They are called RPO codes, which is the acronym for Regular Production Option.
GM has been using these for many, many years. A different code is assigned to every conceivable piece of equipment (option, variation of gear ratio, etc). They are standardized across nearly their entire line of vehicles, particularly "axle ratio".
LZ0 (zero) is the RPO code for the new version of the 3.0L Duramax. Previous version was LM2.
Another example for the purpose of my explanation of RPO Codes is the 6.6L Duramax. First gen 6.6L was LB7, then came the LLY, LBZ (the holy grail of the 6.6L), LMM, LML and currently we have the L5P. I have a 2009 LML Duramax.
These codes used to be on a sticker in the glovebox. I haven't shopped new trucks in a long time, so I am not sure if that sticker still exists in the glove box.
You can give the VIN to a dealer and they can print out a BUILD SHEET which will list every RPO code that a given truck is built with.
Lml is 2011-2016, 08-10 is lmm
I like this truck. Man, I hope u get your hands on a cyber truck when they come out. Would be hilarious and amazing at the same time
GVWR + Conventional towing = GCWR
7200 + 8800 = 15,000
That’s why the towing is relatively low on that truck.
I think the question should be is a 3 L diesel good for towing compared to the 5.3 are the 6.2
I see one issue with this video. This isn’t with the max tow package on the truck. Max tow brings it up to about 13k lbs depending on which configuration you have. Just so you can let your viewers know and make a decision based on that.
I love the truck I was actually hoping to see you actually towing and how it handled guess not
This is a great video. Thank you!
Looking forward to more with this truck!
Really curious why weight rating with a gooseneck is so much lower.... I'm guessing the weight transfer?
A tip for furture videos. There are programs that will split the audio and video of your recordings. You should do that so when you go to edit you can use a continuous shot while using clipped audio. The video clipping throughout the video is kind of distracting.
Good info though. If I go with GMC for my next truck Ill be getting this engine. The only negative of the truck Ive heard from a few videos is the seats are uncomfortable. What is your opinion of the seats for long drives?
It will be interesting to see how it tows, but I think the diesel in all the the brands in the half ton models just have too many compromises with larger trailers that gas max tow packages can handle within their specs. Plus, Diesel prices are a lot higher than even premium gasoline, and I live in an oil production state! I just don't see how they make economic sense like they did years ago when diesel was cheaper than regular gas, and there was no DEF to worry about.
I have a 19 trail boss and it dies pulling my 12’ utility trailer with my 1600 lb sxs. I have the 5.3 with 6 speed and it’s computer makes it an absolute turd. I drive from Alberta to Kansas once or twice a year and would never do the trip pulling my sxs because the truck would absolutely die in Montana and Wyoming. It’s sad really because the stickers say it can pull almost 9000 lbs, my truck pulling that kind of weight would probably break the truck pulling off the lot.
I hope u have standard bed for longer wheelbase for stability. Great info video
How about a 9000 lb trailer
Excellent breakdown! Thank you.
I have a 6k lbs RV. I plan to buy this engine or the 3.5 Ford in spring. Can't wait to hear your thoughts on this engine.
You will get better mpgs and better torque with the 3.0 LT towing.
You should get max tow he does not have that package
Your truck does not have the max tow package.
My 2023 GMC 3.0 crew cab, regular bed with max tow package. Is rated for 11,700lbs towing. Max tow package gives you 3.73 gears, 9.7 “rear end, bigger radiator and a few more items.
I am sure he is aware of that, as we all were, however unless you order one and wait months and months, you really cant find them with that package on the lot.
@@mofo9900 local dealer has 3 and 6 incoming.
@@mattromain7177 most are orders from customers. there were literally like 25 in the entire country 3 weeks ago
@@mofo9900 my dealer has 3 today you can buy. Ones been sitting there since December.
What kind pf payload do you have
Hey, thanks for posting this - I have a question :) - Do you happen to know if - that 880lb max tongue weight listed there (for a conventional trailer mounted to the factory hitch) - is that taking into account a properly setup weight distributing hitch, OR just a direct connection to the hitch? There is a MASSIVE difference (in my years of towing experience) between those 2 setups, so just wondering if GM denotes the difference, OR if they don't. I'm guessing they don't, as it doesn't appear to be annotated on that placard - unless you know about this? 880 lbs on a 7000lb trailer vs 880lb tongue on the same trailer using a properly setup WDH will transfer up to 30+% of that weight towards the front axle thus reducing that actual pin weight by a long shot
That number should be the tongue weight total, including weight distribution. If I remember correctly, I think GM recommends weight distribution at 5k and above since like you said, it makes a big difference
@@TS-di5zw My 2010 owner's manual says over 5k requires weight distribution and I don't think that has changed
Also need to know the rear and front axle weight rating to adjust weight distribution. You can't do it just by measuring the squat.
Dose GMC have sponsorship with Airstream bambi or Keystone lite ?
Some one needs to tell some one at corporate you guys need to have more full blown commercials or ads for these beautiful trucks. You rearly see a GMC or brand new Chevy commercial. May be they simply want you to CZcams it and figure it out for yourself. I dont know? I stand to be corrected!
The BTBRV cargo trailer is getting oxidized you gotta put some work into putting some kind of coating to keep it shiny JD.
Why is gooseneck rating lower than bumper pull? I thought the point of the gooseneck/5th wheel connection was it spreads weight over the whole frame of the truck better
Ya my thoughts exactly. I think gm did it so people aren’t trying to tow a 13,000 lbs 5th wheel. Which would be way to much for it.
Because this is a half ton truck not recommended for that kind of weight, (no full floated axle, no two-three staged leaf spring, the chassis and frame, transmission and engine is not robust and sturdy and thick like on a heavy-duty model like a 3/4 , full ton duty.
According to what I've learned, they are lower because a gooseneck hitch places more weight on the vehicle. The GAWR and GVWR are the limiting factors on LD trucks. The reason HD trucks can tow so much heavier goosenecks is because they have much higher GA & GVWR.
With a gooseneck or 5th wheel, 100% of the pin weight is going on the rear axle. When towing conventional (bumper pull), you can use a WDH to spread out the tongue weight and keep from crushing the rear springs. So you can support more tongue weight (and therefore a larger trailer).
The conventional towing tongue weight of 880 is 10 percent of the max convention trailer recommendation (8800 Lb). !0 percent is a standard safe trailer tongue weight recommendation. The payload capacity is limited by the axles and brake components and gets reduced quickly by all of the weight in a vehicle like this with a ton of options.
I would love to see what's the biggest RV you could tow with it. My 21 Silverado can do 9k pounds on the sticker and I am curious on what the size would be.
Really want to hear how these do in the Rocky Mountains. We tow to +8k ft often.
I'd kill to see how it does towing that enclosed trailer. Pretty much no videos with a loaded enclosed trailer on these trucks. Everything is all about heavy loads on a flatbed or dump trailer.
Hi JD, so would your Silver 8x10 be the best suited for this truck to tow,
It's a good trailer for this truck BUT it's also on the lighter side of what this truck could tow. You could go up a few sizes and still be safe.
Anything it tows will have to be on the smaller end. Truthfully though, most people don't need to tow heavy trailers on the average day. I'm curious to see how it would handle a midsize light version bumper pull RV with a slide out. Nothing fancy, but loaded with all of the gear for a weekend boondocking trip.
I am about to find out next month 🙂
@@mofo9900 Please let us know how it went when you do.
I've got my 5 x10 and a small fishing boat but a half ton won't work for the stock trailer or the fifthwheel even my bumper pull equipment trailer would probably overload this truck
What kind of fuel mileage are you getting dry weight
My 21 5.3l lt crew cab has a trailer rating of 9300 and a goose neck of 8500. Seems like the gasser is better for towing.
Half tons can’t tow…I learned that on this channel 😂
Lol 180k pulling a 5th wheel. Seems fine.
We need thus truck in an 8600 pound light duty 3/4 setuo
What lite rv to tow?
Did you test anything ?
Would this truck be a good fit for something like the Black Series HQ19?
It would tow it just fine. Get the max trailing package. It boosts your towing numbers. His truck is loaded out with all the gadgets and that’s why his towing numbers are so low on his truck. That 3.0 is a great motor for towing and you will get good gas mileage doing so.
Interesting...it has less payload capacity than my 2020 Ford Ranger FX4 with tow package.
How come trucks have low payload? Campers weigh atleast 1200-1400 pounds alone.
You may not be thinking hitch weight.
It makes no sense to limit the gooseneck to 2200 less than the bumper pull. There is no good reason for it.
Now I know I can't purchase a 150, 1500 or any half ton vehicle.
Don’t buy anything made in Mexico , poor quality it doesn’t last ,just watch Scotty, who is a mechanic, for 50 years and he is on CZcams he will tell you all about things made in Mexico especially vehicles made in Mexico or partially made in Mexico, cheap cheap made
Sorry but Scotty talks a lot of crap. He is mostly a Ford and Toyota fan boy.
@Leisa Gomez I disagree as all of the Mexicans that I know take great pride in their work. Additionally, these vehicles are built to the manufacturer's standards regardless of assembly plant. My '21 Sierra was built in Mexico and has been flawless. I bet that if I parked it next to a US made Sierra, no one would know the difference by looking at its fit, finish, and the way it drives. Hell, I would almost argue that the ones in Mexico are possibly built better due to them valuing their jobs. I'm American and personally know a lot of lazy fellow friends and even family members that don't want to work and I sure as hell wouldn't want them building my truck, but that's a whole other story...
@@v8chevy788 I’ve had 2 vehicles made there and they starting coming apart after 6 months. My husband is from there so I know all about it. Vehicles made there are not made well one reason is they don’t get paid well at all there. A lot of Hispanics are very gated workers but very poor manufacturing is done in Mexico and that’s sad
@@leisagomez6304 I guess everyone's mileage will vary, but in June, I will have had mine for 2 yrs and I expect to have over 30,000 miles on it and it has been nothing but excellent.
If you get the right package the gmc will tow 12’500 lbs
A mid-level trim with less options
Looks like a really nice expensive grocery getter. Bet it’ll start going downhill right after the warrantee expires 😂
Just like anything with an engine and wheels.