Mitutoyo M Plan 5X Objective for Macro Photography - the Lowdown
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- čas přidán 18. 07. 2021
- The Mitutoyo M Plan Apo 5X for Macro Photography - the lowdown
This objective simply can’t be as good as everyone says it is - not at that price. The competition are having to charge thousands of dollars for lenses of this quality - apochromatic, insanely sharp, and with a working distance so long, the photons have to pack a lunch. I just described a $2-4,000 lens (at least), but Mitutoyo sells the 5X for $720 and the 10X in the mid $800s. How can they do that?
I explain that, and a lot of other M-Plan Apo facts (mixed in with a few completely made up things that just kinda slipped out).
What I don't do in this video is talk a lot about how to use it - that is going to get its own video(s). As I was making this video, my Mitutoyo 20X objective appeared on the scene! A lot more about that later.
If you want one of these stupendous lenses, but you are like me and don't want to spend next months insect pin money on another lens, why don't you get in touch with my friend Jeff McDowell over at Lightglass Optics? He hates money and sells these objectives, brand new, for less that you would pay for a new Mercedes! A lot less! Like $100,000 less! Only $450 (AKA half price). If you call Jeff at 505-235-9468 and tell him that I sent you, he may hang up on you. But he probably won't and you can tell him to send you one. If you give him money, he will do it, and you will become a real-life Mitutoyo Owner!
Thanks to Jeff for his support of the channel and to my wonderful patrons - both through Patreon and through my website. - Jak na to + styl
Every micrometer I've ever bought or owned has been a Mitutoyo. Thanks for another wonderful topic Allan.
Would love to see a video like this for the M Plan 20x! Such great info, thanks Allan!
Thanks Allan, great information, as always. I did a lot of metrology in a past life and know Mitutoyo's quality tools quite well. I placed order for 5X with LightGlass Optics today.
i love how you explain everything
I've been doing close up stuff for a while since I got my fist DSLR over a decade ago. Started with a 50mm lens on extension tubes or reversed, upgraded to a dedicated macro 105mm, recently got a AmScope 4X objective... and have been drooling over getting my hands on this Mitutoyo 5X objective. Hopefully I can get something together soon.
Thank you for all the inspirational videos you continue to put out.
I really hope you figure out a way to get one of these babies. They completely change the game!
I've just ordered one from Lightglass Optics. I had been tempted by a Nikon CFI Super Fluor 4X, but that would have cost almost 5x as much, from a reputable supplier. Your comments on the working distance convinced me that this might be the better, easier to work with, option. It would be interesting if Closeupphotography put up a comparison of these two lenses. Keep up the good work. P.S. My Nikon bellows just arrived from Japan!
I used mine for the first time last night. OMG 😱!!!!! It is incredible!!! Thank you Allan for bringing me into this world.
I love it! That Mitutoyo moment when the poles flip!
great as usual mr Allan
Hi Allan - Very informative video as always. I will have to get my crop sensor Canon 7D serviced to use with the Mitutoyo but will manage on full frame for now. I now have a modern 200mm Canon prime lens and almost all the adapters I need to mount it wth the Mitutoyo. I have gone with the Wemacro adapter they now have for the Mitutoyo. The other one was a bit too heavy on my wallet what with duty and postage. Thanks again for the tip off about Lightglass Optics. Regards, Barry
I think the "fall" part of "do not fall or drop" means don't even let it tip over (e.g. on the desk), even with the centre of gravity low. I falled a 20x into the holder once, only an inch or so drop which caused no damage - to the lens. I used up a years-worth of hearbeats in the few seconds after that happened though :-)
I can't believe this...I just bought this a few weeks ago based on your recommendation and it has been sitting here in the box. I was just coming back to figure out all the parts I need to fit it to my Canon r5/5DSr/90D cameras via either a set of extension tubes or those M42 jobs that I have ordered and am still waiting on (I want to be able to use all three cameras since I do other types of photography too). Not sure I have all the right pieces yet and was getting ready to search through your videos...and boom, this video from yesterday. Great! You rock, dude (Ok, I am not 13, but 63 and a PhD in engineering, but I still act silly)! Thanks.
Hey Anthony, I have a feeling a lot of people are going to have some questions about setting up and using this objective, so I am going to do a supplemental video this afternoon and get it out as soon as possible. All the info is elsewhere in my back catalog but this video will just make it a lot easier. Should be able to get it out tomorrow.
@@AllanWallsPhotography Allan - thank you very much. I have been trying to search the back catalog but it is slow going. :)
Thanks for all of these videos to catch up with. Regards the D850 vs D500 for these objectives, I am using 1.2 image area with my D850. You end up with images 6K pixels across vs. 5500 or so for the D500. I plan on trying both though and going with the best image quality.
This an excellent objective. Got mine from Lightglass Optics a couple of years ago - great price, brand new. Unfortunately they’re out of 10x :(…picked up a 20x, though. Love your channel.
Yeah - super glad the channel crossed paths with Jeff - what a deal!
The pixel pitch for the three digital cameras I own is as follows: Canon EOS 5D Mark II (6.4 microns); Fujifilm X-T1 (4.8 microns); and Fujifilm X-T3 (3.8 microns). If I understand what you're saying about pixel pitch then the 5DM2 would work best with the Mitutoyo 5x objective, followed by the X-T1 and X-T3, in order of suitability. Right? Thanks, Alan!
HI Allan i am settling for a D500 which seems to have the same sensor of the d7500 4.2um i think . I hope that is good enpough.
what nikon camera would you suggest that has the pixel pitch that justifies the high quality of a mityutoyo objectives especialy when going to 20x mag.
Thank you Allan for this amazing video !
You can Also ask directly to a MITUTOYO Branch to buy those objectives such as MITUTOYO France for French customer ... ! ;)
Always a pleasure to help customers doing their best.
For an MD for you to joke about venerial calipers is extra funny 😂. That "question mark thing" is a micrometer.
Art - I KNEW you would know the name of that doohicky (sp?)
Hi Allan! What is the numeric aperture ? I dont refer at the formula n*sinALFA but what it is in real life and why is it important ?
Thanks...i think i have an Nikon 80-200 ed zoom lens . will that be ok ?. And where can we get the step down ring tomount the 10x plan. this has a filter dia of 77 mm.
Hi Allan. I have god Nikon D 850 and my prime lens it's 300mm f 2.8. Exist step down reduction for this Macro Pfotography ? Thanks Gerhard
Alan please I need a bit of help advise I use canon 80D I want to purchase the old lenses manual lenses and the adapter so I get a micro lense please if you could find for me 1 or 2 lenses at 50mm and 35mm or better with the right ring adapter to fit my eos 80D the reason I'm asking I'm disabled man and I don't like to make a mistake kindly if you can help me
Regards
thanks
Thanks Allan, while calculating the tube length , I am measuring it from from the sensor plane to the base of the raynox 150. This includes the flange distance 46.5 mm of the nikon camera to the base thread of the raynox 150.Am I right?
Your analysis of the NISI macro rail which was inspiring. I have just got one, and i am in the process of integrating a small dc motor to drive the rail with a coupling shaft.
The cognysis stack shots cost a bomb and we get taxed 50% more while importing it .
Yes . sensor to flange at base of thread closest to camera, about 153mm.from camera flange,
HI Allan , What is the recomended step size in amacro rail for a 10x objective . I believe the DOF of a 10x is 4.5 micron. So i guess 10 micron will be good enough. Is this enough to take care of the little variation in step size as i am making my own motorised rail with a NISI m-180. Which is the better objective, the amscope one or the generic stuff
It depends on the subject, but 10um is a good starting point. I would recommend shooting a short test run and looking for evidence of banding. The NiSi should be able to handle 10, mechanically, as long as your stepper is able to deliver the increments accurately. You will need to pay close attention to backlash when setting up the motor and rail. There will be quite a bit, but as long as you program a first step long enough to take up the slack, but not long enough to move the carriage, you should be fine. Unfortunately, I have never found a generic or Amscope 10X objective that was any good for photography. The best entry level objective in the Nikon CFI Plan 10x - great lens, good value.
HI Allan, little confused here.. do nikon and mityutoyo have same mountingthread specs for objectives
No Sir. The Nikon CFI Plan uses a 25mm thread and the M-Plans use a 26mm.
hi allan do i need a step down or a step up ring ie 77 to 52 mm . does the rms size of the objective thread remain universl for all objectives.. Thanks
You need either a 77mm/ 0.75mm thread pitch to 26mm/ 0.70mm thread pitch adapter (RAF Camera sells these) or you can use a series of regular 0.75mm pitch step down rings going from 77 down to 26. Regular sets include 77-72, 72-67, 67-62, 62-58, 58-55, 55-52, 52-47, 47-43, 43-37, 37-30, and 30-26. The pitch of the last ring is off by 50um but it fits pretty well. That will give you an infinity space of about 30mm which I prefer. I went with the option of going from 77mm to 52mm in one step down ring, as I had one handy.
Any thoughts on the company MICROSCOPE CENTRAL?
Nikon LCD Plan 50X/0.55 CR=0.6-1.2
What is the purpose of this lens.plz guide me
hi Allan , the mityutoyo 10X Mitutoyo Plan Apo Infinity Corrected Long WD Objective lens
product specs say that the sensor max size to use the lens is 2/3 inch . How do we use it on a DSLR?
Hi Radha, I have just reviewed the data sheet for the M-Plan Apo 10X and cannot find that recommendation anywhere. Without seeing it I cannot be sure what they are referring to. Mitutoyo quotes a sensor coverage of 30mm for the 10X, which gives almost complete FF coverage. I use an APS-C with the M-Plans as the overall sharpness is unbeatable. Please send me the citation and I will give you a better answer.
and anowther question is what is the meaning of the m plan ? What means M ?
Where can I see this in action? See it mounted on a camera, see sample pics......
HI Allan . I am not able to get a Nikon D7500. Will A D5600 and D3500 be ok as they both have 3.89 pixel pitch. Where does the D850 come in with a slightly larger pixel pitch of 4.34? will it be better with larger mag of 10x ++?
The D3500 does not have a connection for use with an automated rail (or at least the D3400 did not), but I believe the D5600 would be a reasonable choice . I seldom use my D850, even though the larger pixel pitch does provide greater dynamic range, because the files are so much larger and I have limited space. The image quality of the D850 is hard to beat and the D5600 is not in the same league. But it also doesn't cost $3K! I think the midrange APSC DSLR will give very good results.
@@AllanWallsPhotography thanks
What can you tell/say about the stepsize in general with the objective?
Well it depends on a number of factors, but you should be safe at 20um. I recommend you start about there and see if you can stretch it out a bit - you often can. But even good rails may become less precise over time, so keeping a close eye out for banding. Remember - too short and you have a few extra images, too long and you have no image.
Come sempre bravissimo. Qualcuno sa darmi un consiglio? Sono indeciso se acquistare un Mitutoyo 5x o un 10x e farlo lavorare a 10x ma anche 5X, in modo da avere più flessibilità. Qualche consiglio il 10x a 5x come funziona?
Allan, I would like to graduate from my Laowa 2.5-5X and get a nice Mitutoyo objective but after watching this video I'm not sure I can make the leap due to my current equipment. I have a Nikon Z6ii and a D500 as my 2 bodies. The only 200mm lens I have is the Nikon ED AF Micro Nikkor 200mm 1:4 D and I remember you saying in one of your videos NOT to use a macro lens with a microscope objective, correct? So I think I would have to invest in another lens to mount the objective on. Then there are the adapters that I'll have to figure out from re-watching some of your videos again and then purchase. Anyway, as you can probably tell, still a bit confused so any soothing words would be appreciated. O yeah, haven't purchased my StackShot rail yet either and noticed there is a "3X" rail and I assume this is more of a touchscreen version of the button type?
Hi there. Good questions! I would not use a macro lens as a relay, there are better options. But I would also not miss the opportunity to get a mitutoyo - it is the single best equipment purchase I have ever made, hands down, and the cost of the other gear you need is pretty minimal. Unless you count the rail. You would need a Raynox DCR150 (200mm lens), some extension tubes (or much better- a PB6 bellows) an adapter for the raynox to F/Z-mount and an adapter for the Raynox, to M26 objective mount, and some extension tubes, And a stackshot. OK, so I was wrong. You need a lot of expensive gear. But you should still get it - there is nothing else that comes close - save yourself some cash and buy a used Stackshot (see $10 saved right there!), and you don't need the 3X (another $100) - how can you not get it with those savings! Seriously though, if you are serious about image quality, you will never regret going out on a limb to get this gear. It will last you forever and if you change your mind, every single bit of your investment will be recouped when you sell it. Cared for, this gear does not lose value. Tough decision. Good luck!
Hi Allan . I propose to use an old nikon e series 135 mm lens to mount the mityutoyo 10 x . will the perfromance be degraded by the e series lens . can i use a D500 nikon that has a pixel pitch of 4.22microns?
Hi Radha, your comment about the 10X Mitutoyo disappeared, but I got your link - the 2/3" is the field of view when the objective is used with a fixed standard infinity spacing - we use a shorter infinity space, allowing much greater coverage of a DSLR sensor. The D500 has an ideal pixel pitch for the resolution of the 10X objective, however if you use a 135mm lens as a relay you will only get about 5X magnification and some of the Apo correction may be compromised. This lens requires a 200mm lens for optimal performance (I use either the ITL-200 or Raynox DCR-150).
@@AllanWallsPhotography something strange seems to be happening ..replies seem to disapear on youtube.. I have never come across this issue ever. ijust hope this does not disapear.You have mentioned that you use a raynox lens dcr-150 .. on what should imount it?
Hey Allan, I am confused now because the objective picture they have for the Mitutoyo on the Lightglass Optics site doesn't have the "X" and the one at Closeuphotography does have the "X". Did anyone else notice? So I'm wondering which one is right or maybe Mity just changed their labeling scheme... Ok, just noticed you corrected at the end of the vid, just spoke to Jeff today and made the purchase, my 5X APO on its way!! Thanks Allan! Please talk about the adapters and how to put these on a camera!! Thanks!
Hi Alex, this has always confused me. I was under the impression that there was just one authentic lens, but when you think about it, why would that be the case. Mitutoyo is gigantic and they make huge numbers of these objectives for many different markets. It should not surprise me that their markings have changed over time (but it still does surprise me). But I have both these styles and others beside that, and every one has a certificate of authenticity. More important they are all optically superb. I guess that is as close to certain as I am going to get!
You are a tremendous font of informaton. You were very detailed on the lens however you did not speak to the relay lens. What do you like? What do you use? what would be your choice if someone paid for it? ;)
hello from switzerland ! congrats . is the M plan apo HR also suited for macrophotography ; and same question for the m plan apo SL ( btw what is SL)?
tx
toni
SL = Super Long Working Distance
The HR is a the high resolution version of the M-Plan objectives and is available in the 5X, 10X, 50X, and 100X. They will exceed the ability of most consumer camera sensors to resolve detail, with 5X resolving line pairs of 1.3um as opposed to 2um with the non-HR. It would therefore seem like the huge premium you would pay for the HR could be better spent to two additional non-HR M-plans! As Psyaiko Aiko has already mentioned below, the SL lenses have a slightly longer WD, but are only made in the 20X, 50X, ad 100X lenses. I am not sure that the added WD adds anything - it is already far longer than anything else affordable, but it could be well worth the investment in some industrial applications.
thanks allen ; wonderful ! indeed pricing is astronomical ….
I do some work in metrology and at some level you are correct, for your average job shop type machine shop could be covered in 1-2 courses at a community college. If you have the need to measure and align things to sub micron levels, that takes multiple degrees in physics and engineering.
I was thinking of you when that gag occurred to me! Trust me, I know how intense that field is. I just read a book on precision last month and it was a real eye opener. I was hoping that all the engineers out there would know my tongue was firmly in my cheek. Which is an interesting saying - where else would it be?
Today I was working on cobbling together a custom laser interferometer to measure displacement because our ultra precision indicator probes spring force (0.0056 lbs) was deforming the parts and ruining the measurement.
@@andrewh2341 You should have just asked me and I could have sent you one of mine!
@@AllanWallsPhotography hahaha I thought you only had venereal calipers 🤣
Side note: have you tried adding extension to your tube lens to increase the image circle size when using a mitutoyo objective? Adding about 32mm of extension tubes to my 135mm lens (Sony 135mm F1.8 GM) completely eliminated any hint of vignette. Adding 52mm of extension to my 100-400mm lens (Sony 100-400mm F5.6 GM) got rid of most of the vignette. So far I only tested the removal of vignette, I have not done a full stack and image quality comparison but at least on the camera screen I don’t see a loss of iq.
@@andrewh2341 I have tried it with other objectives with varying results in terms of IQ. I do not like cutting the infinity space to short so I am willing to try anything. It is why I use an APSC with Mits - so that I can stay 30mm out in from of the relay lens. I never even thought about adding extension to a 200mm lens. I have a go at it tonight. Thanks Andrew!
Just wonder how the my Leitz and Zeiss microscope lenses would live up to the quality of this Mitutoyo? They easily live up to the resolution challenge of todays camera sensors and I do not see any chromatic aberration, using them on the Leitz Tool Inspection microscope. On the camera I haven't tested them, but if cell walls and bacteria can be seen clearly through them, they should have no problem with the resolution of much larger details in insects. Fact is that the sensors of our most modern cameras are still lagging far behind the resolution that most good quality microscope lenses provide.
something strange seems to be happening ..replies seem to disapear on youtube.. I have never come across this issue ever. ijust hope this does not disapear.You have mentioned that you use a raynox lens dcr-150 .. on what should imount it?
It appears that any comments with embedded links or images disappear. I don't know if it just on my videos, but that is what I've been seeing. You may find it easier to communicate through my group on Discord - there is an invitation to the community in the program notes, above. There is a video coming out in a few days that addresses the use of M Plan objectives with the DCR Raynox diopters as relay lenses. That will answer all of your questions!
@@AllanWallsPhotography thanks
HI Allan , I propose to buy a mityutoyo 10x objective though i am a starter. My thinking is i can start with a tube of about 100mm to get 5x and then use the lens to 10x after some experiance . Am i right? THANKS
Hi - I think your plan has theoretical merit, but you may be less excited with the results. It is true that there are some 10x objectives that perform well at lower magnifications, the Nikon CFI Plan 10x comes to mind, but I have been less impressed with the Mitutoyo M-Plan used in the same way. I think it has something to do with the aberration correction and how it optimized for use with a 200mm relay lens. If you are not in a hurry, I am actually planning to test a few 10X objectives as 5X lenses later this autumn and I will release a video of the results.
@@AllanWallsPhotography thanks
HI Allan , i just chatted with an edmond optics engineer and was advised to use a 5x objective for 5x rather than 10x with a shortened tube as image will be degraded. Waiting to see your practical results.
@@radharamanan5003 That is hardly surprising, I would not expect an objective vendor to agree with a method that reduces your need for a new objective, however, I agree completely. As I said earlier, you will not find the 10X M-Plan to be a very good 5X objective. But it is a superlative 10X optic, just as the 5X is probably the best lens of its type, in the world, especially at the price (if you do decide to get a 5X, get it from LightGlass Optics - The owner has agreed to make this objective available, new and factory boxed, to my viewers for roughly half the price that EO offers. Jeff will help - 505-235-9468 - tell him I sent you). You should look into the $200 Nikon CFI plan achromat if you want a 10X that is just as sharp at 5X - that is what I use. But once you take a single picture with the Mitutoyo M-Plan 5X, you will be spoiled for life. It is unbelievably accurate and sharp. By the way, the video for this comparison is still a couple of months away, but the images have all been collected - based on my initial review, I would not recommend using the 10X at any magnification other than its rated 10X with a high quality 200mm relay lens.
@@AllanWallsPhotography hi Allan, does it make a big difference on quality or magnification of the image if the tube lens is not exactly at 208mm for the raynox 150. Ie having the tube length plus or minus 5 mm ? how does one calculate the exact distance from the focal plane of the camera? ie from the focal plane on the body of the camera to the microscope objective front.. middle or base?
Have you using Mitutoyo M Plan 10X (you mentioned in previous youtube video)for full frame photo shooting ? Can it cover 24x36mm ? Thanks a lot .
Yes. The 10X does provide FF coverage if the infinity space is minimized. I would prefer using a cropped frame sensor under some lighting conditions, specifically when the risk of internal reflection is elevated (which would allow me to extend the relay/objective space).
@@AllanWallsPhotography Thank you very much
One day i hope you upgrade to BRASS step rings - they won't get stuck to each other, they don't sound like a chalk board when screwed on and the "feel" is far superior 👍👍
Metrology ?? I don't think my community College could explain how to setup an Atomic Force Microscope much less explain it to me 🤣
Mitutoyo is precision. Everything nice from Japan was made with Mitutoyo precision instruments.
Unfortunately it looks like the 20x video never materialized
Micrometer and vernier calliper
You could cover metrology in a community college class? You were jesting. Suggest anyone who thought you were serious take time out to look under the hood at the complex issues addressed by our own National Institute of Standards and Technology ((NIST). Caution: it’s a rabbit hole one can disappear into for a very long time:-)
Basically, this was a 33 min advertisement. An effective one. Like brainwashing. I've gave my money to Lightglass Optics. I hope you get your share. You should set a TV Shop channel and become a millionaire easily.
You clearly have no idea about extreme macro and Mitutoyo. Mitutoyo doesn't need any advertising. The video is very informative for those who take macro photography seriously.
i havent heard a squeak 🤣🤣
I think he literally sold out of these right before i went to check lol
Oh man - I am so sorry - I knew it was going to happen sooner rather than later - he was offering such an insanely good deal. Well I will be keeping in touch with Jeff and the second I hear of another bargain, I will get the word out.