Without doubt the best interview of the entire series. All respect to Andre for his wisdom, humility and clarity of vision. We are honoured to be privy to these unique insights. Thankyou Andre.
I’m John Giles’ granddaughter. Thank you so much for telling people about his death my grandmother and mother’s lives have been destroyed by this their calls were being listened to for years afterwards and they couldn’t say a word about it. Thank you so much.
I have such respect for Andre Scheepers and love his need to analyse and for honesty and truth. I wouldn't miss any video featuring this Rhodesian Icon. God Bless you Andre.
Hi Andre , respect to you sir , if only higher ranking officers & politicians had half of your scruples & moral compass during the bush war , events might have gone different & the map of Southern Africa might be different today. Thankyou for your honesty . God bless.
A consistent sentiment expressed is that the war and our futures could have been very different if… We forget that this is not our world but rather the stage for Christ’s return, and all past and future events have been predestined to this end and they are non negotiable.
Andre I have the highest regard for you both as a soldier , a leader and Pastor but disagree that names should not be mentioned. Those people destroyed our wonderful country in one or another manner , no doubt filling their pockets at the same time whilst being Judas to us all I am most certain that no harm can befall you now if you were to do so and I can see how much you Hannes and John and even Martin ( 5RR) are hurt by what went on in the higher echelons of power. I respectfully feel you chaps should expose these scoundrels for what they were and no doubt still are. I really am nauseated by their treachery ! Salute to all of you and please keep them coming. These episodes are a highlight in my week Cheers
How many external ops were compromised...putting the lives of SAS, RLI in danger...only Scouts, who kept their counsel to themselves, seemed to acheive the element of surprise. Hence the targetting of R.R-D
Staunchly agree. These details must be known. The same as the one man killer of Pres JFK still being propagated 60 years on. The loved ones of the fallen. At least need to closure. A whole nation were bulldusted.
My Cousin Des Chalmers was a major with RAR and a RF MP for Bulawayo. He was persecuted by the RF on untrue currency charges for criticizing some decisions militarily. I met him in 1980, a very unhappy man.
André was the first ever interview I listened to on FMR and he instantly got me hooked. His self-reflected thoughts, enthralling storytelling and insights are second to none and always a revelation. Very happy to see him back on the podcast once again (and hopefully more to come). Keep up your great work!
Andre not all could serve at your level and I salute you.As a 1 pip lt.I meti The King at Darwin. While serving in Support Comm.I felt then that he Boet Swart and Pat Armstrong as adj. Could have run the war.Uncle Ron had just left support to start Scouts.
Andre you were right there! You traded the bullets! You own the story! You tell it as it was. If you ruffle a feather 🪶 it just does not matter. Salute!
The Loss of John Giles a Top Constitutional Lawyer during Negotiations Cannot be underestimated imho , Perhaps a FOI Request for all information pertaining to his death should be undertaken ,times are changing in the UK , attitudes and Diversity hires have left their secrets less well guarded, keep plugging away and never forget “The constitution can be defined as the set of written or unwritten laws for governing a country. What are the benefits a country derives from having a constitution? The importance of a constitution to a country cannot be understated. A country without a constitution will ultimately plunge into chaos. All countries need constitution in order to run smoothly.!”
During all the episodes of FM of R there have been great stories, anecdotes and recollections. However all the interviews between Hannes and Andre have been fantastic due to the honesty, integrity, humility and courage of this man....Andre has, through this chat answered so many of my questions on Uric, but more importantly confirmed that as a troopie, you knew so little of what was going on eg Watts/Renamo, Op Neutron, Hybrid warfare. Thanks again and God Bless
Thank you gentlemen, for your service, and information which revealed now, and perhaps hidden from many who were ignorant of much!. I salute every member who served in integrity and for those who sacrificed their lives in belief of victory. May they rest in peace....
Let the guy speak Hannes, no crude editing or pointless interventions, let him name names, his narrative may not fit your aims, but we deserve to know his version of events. It is a fascinating insight into the world of international affairs ,we need to understand how the likes of MI6,CIA and the KGB manipulate world events, parallels can be drawn even up until today with conflicts such as the Ukraine and Palestine
If it wasn’t for Hannes or John for that matter we would never have had the opportunity to listen to some of the exceptional people on FMR. Please also remember that Hannes and Andre are long time comrades and wrote a book together. Nothing crude or pointless in this episode. Also Andre would never name names.
Always enjoy listening to these interviews. Thanks for posting all these interesting videos about Rhodesia. I’m a history undergraduate, and I find all this history quite fascinating. Far more interesting than I had initially imagined, I’ll warrant. Greetings from South Carolina!
Many thanks Andre & Hannes for another fantastic interview shedding a lot of light and total respect to Andre for, to phrase it in a layman's terms, "calling a spade a spade". One question comes to mind; is the Flowers rat still alive ?? Thanks once again for the interview - Salute and Respect, God Bless all always.
Regarding failures. As humans, even when we try our very best, we are limited by the characteristics of our own personality. Until fairly recently I was extremely poor at reading the essence of a personality, and I guess I'm still not good at it, but I do know my ability has changed. So, I guess what I'm trying to say is, to quote Dirty Harry "Man's got to know his limitations!". We can't be good at everything.
You are absolutely right regarding the wonderful character of Ron Reid Daly but continue to get the ‘ivory ‘ story wrong! Yes, MI planted the bugs and they were monitored by BT but the real thing is that they never worked ab Initio! There was no foreign involvement in my opinion
Just as a side issue; The Brits tried to intercept our communications. We were aware of that fact and worked hard securing our networks. I spent time in the Army working for a counterintelligence intercept unit. The Brits were not as good as you make out and we were better than you give us credit for.
Andre states '...with only six years of combat experience.' Wow, that's a long time - as long as WWII. Very interesting video. One thing that always baffles me is how guys were allowed to take photographs of top secret missions. The famous photo of the Puma taking off at what must have been Chipinda Pools airstrip is a dead giveaway that South Africa was involved as the Rhodesians did not have Pumas. Were these photos developed in-house, or at commercial developers in town?
Were semi-tamed baboons and traditional healers or witch doctors common in the terrorist or freedom fighter camps? Did the Rhodesian forces adopt the baboons that survived the camp attacks? Tethered baboons should have been placed on all farms. One of my Christmas Days in Chipinga was dreadful as late of Christmas Eve, a gang of makandangas had attacked the farm we were in. Happy Christmas. Ross.
Thank you Andre, Hannes and John. The interviews are an important part of our history, thank you for sharing. I thought that parts of this interview which engaged both Andre and Hannes in conversation was a perfect demonstration of how this series has matured. Please keep that aspect going 😊 Yours Aye
I was in the SA Army in 1980s. Even then there was still animosity towards English speakers. Many Afrikaners still have bitterness towards English speakers more than 120 years after the Boer war. You are correct there was less bad feeling in the Navy and SAAF, but those are more professional services with higher numbers of English speakers.
In my experience, the animosity works both ways. Some Rhodesians and British South Africans who have had little or no contact with Afrikaners automatically dislike Afrikaners.
Hi Hannes Thought of just let it slip by,but allow me to lift my opinion. As a afrikaander I can understand the ,how dit you put it" cold" shoulder you received from from afrikaners. Remember 70s was 70yr after the A Boer War. Brittain inflicted harsh blows to the afrikaander. On my own fam my ggmother walked out of the war with husband dead 2 children dead horrific conditions in concentration camp ( at Norvals pont) 30 000 innocent woman and children died in that concentration camps. Farmhouse burnt to ground all livestock shot in front of children. It took my fam +- 30 to recover. Although we have the greatest respect for what you guys did in Rhodesia I will never forget the great injustice Brittain did to my forefathers a proud ,God-fearing nation was brought to knees by killing their wife's and children! So if you don't mind forgive them that they gave you a cold shoulder! Greetings Gert Steyn
Nice to hear from you Gert. Yes, many terrible things were done during the Boer War. In general, I think Afrikaners have been remarkably generous towards the descendants of their former enemies.
Very interesting such a awsome approach as a Sandf vet and officer i witnessed a lot of Pf officers who really dud not cut the mustard as so to say cudos to you for your analysis.
I was the site Agent that built Fylde military airport. The worst possible Engineering site to choose, Falsified soil sample reports. to name a few. Guess who owned the farm. A well known politician. Last time I mentioned the name I was roundly castigated
I have often said that the best thing that could have happened was for Rhodesia, Mozambique, Angola, Northern Rhodesia, South West Africa and South Africa, Congo, Guinea, Tanzania, Kenya, Malawi snd Botswana to unite and become the United States of Africa. Totally integrated and become 100% multicultural and multiracial after the Second World War. Banish all taboos with interracial marriage and schooling etc. I assure you we would have been a superpower and no one would have messed with us. I honestly believe it would’ve have been a success and envy of the world. Aaah Hindsight is truly a perfect science.
South Africa was a superpower with its own nuclear weapons, but they had the forsight to decommission them before the hand over, just imagine what another crazy African dictator would do with nuclear weapons. The EAST wants you broken and fighting so they can walk in give you extortionate bank loans and take over in the end.
The northern hemisphere could see the exponential curve that Africa was on, so it had to be strangled as an infant. The idea that Africa could have been the first on the moon is laughable now, but it was no joking matter to the Northern Hemisphere.
It was funny when during one very hard operation he said to rli soldiers that they should walk like soldiers and not drag their feet like straglers. :D
So interesting finding out what went on behind the scenes. I was a child in the 70s and we went down South in 81 when Mugabe came in. My Dad who served in th Armoured Cars, hated the Brits. My Mom who was British would roll her eyes. I am now understanding ....my Dad
I have always wondered what the criteria for "officer material" that was used to select from the ranks. Now I am convinced that the selecting officers were selecting on their likies. (Who they thought was compatible with their personalities. Who they would be comfortable having a gin and tonic with in the Officers' club.) Newton was a genius, for example, but you would never have him around at a dinner party because he was an argumentative arsehole. The criteria for officer selection was corrupt. They should have been voted in by the men that they led and whose lives they were responsible for.
@@calummackenzie1797 Exactly and if he had not died in the “car accident” there would be no Robert Mugabe in power. The state of the nation would have been very different had they not killed Josh
At 37:38 is Andre saying that he was tasked to assassinate John Giles? He was the constitutional lawyer on the Rhodesian side. Am I missing something here, or is the 'he' Andre refers to when he talks of 'taking him out' someone else? If Andre was tasked to kill John Giles then my next question is why? Obviously he never did as MI6 killed him according to Andre (whom I believe). Andre's mission to 'take him out' sounds fascinating - has he written about it?
No, apparently John Giles was taken out by MI6 and Andre was given the names of the assassins and asked by the South African BOSS to eliminate them. The mission was a failure.
@@fightingmenofrhodesia OK. That makes sense! I thought it sounded really odd that he would be tasked with killing John Giles. Thanks for clearing it up.
John Vorster....... I'm a South African from rock spider descent. But. Not blind as well. JBV was one of the major back-biters contributing to Rhodesia's demise!
The Boer War concentration camps and the Jameson Raid provided 'the Volk' with the DNA of 'the Rhodesian'. But its more simple than that. There was no way the rest of the world would stand idly by and watch the southern tip of Africa succeed. Kissinger, an idol to some here on this channels, was the mastermind behind the way the cards were dealt. So its time to move beyond our legends. Andre wants to be transparent, no mean feat, but then proceeds to cloak the identities of the 'top dogs' All he's succeeded in doing is maintaining the self-fulfilling prophesy. For me to know, but not for the plebs. Its all a bit phony to be honest. But that's not to detract from him as a person, a wonderful example of a believer who insists on taking that step between the reality of the world and the reality of Christ's incredible act: forgiveness of sins through His grace; not through our own efforts. Simply to accept and live in faith.
Without doubt the best interview of the entire series. All respect to Andre for his wisdom, humility and clarity of vision. We are honoured to be privy to these unique insights. Thankyou Andre.
Bravo ecolivelihoods 8.
I fully agree with you!
I’m John Giles’ granddaughter. Thank you so much for telling people about his death my grandmother and mother’s lives have been destroyed by this their calls were being listened to for years afterwards and they couldn’t say a word about it. Thank you so much.
I have such respect for Andre Scheepers and love his need to analyse and for honesty and truth. I wouldn't miss any video featuring this Rhodesian Icon. God Bless you Andre.
Hi Andre , respect to you sir , if only higher ranking officers & politicians had half of your scruples & moral compass during the bush war , events might have gone different & the map of Southern Africa might be different today.
Thankyou for your honesty .
God bless.
Gripping insights. Really looking forward to the follow on discussion. Thanks Gents! 👍
A consistent sentiment expressed is that the war and our futures could have been very different if…
We forget that this is not our world but rather the stage for Christ’s return, and all past and future events have been predestined to this end and they are non negotiable.
Andre I have the highest regard for you both as a soldier , a leader and Pastor but disagree that names should not be mentioned. Those people destroyed our wonderful country in one or another manner , no doubt filling their pockets at the same time whilst being Judas to us all
I am most certain that no harm can befall you now if you were to do so and I can see how much you Hannes and John and even Martin ( 5RR) are hurt by what went on in the higher echelons of power. I respectfully feel you chaps should expose these scoundrels for what they were and no doubt still are.
I really am nauseated by their treachery !
Salute to all of you and please keep them coming. These episodes are a highlight in my week
Cheers
How many external ops were compromised...putting the lives of SAS, RLI in danger...only Scouts, who kept their counsel to themselves, seemed to acheive the element of surprise.
Hence the targetting of R.R-D
Staunchly agree.
These details must be known.
The same as the one man killer of Pres JFK still being propagated 60 years on.
The loved ones of the fallen. At least need to closure. A whole nation were bulldusted.
Thanks that was great,Andre you are a great man and thanks for your service.
My Cousin Des Chalmers was a major with RAR and a RF MP for Bulawayo. He was persecuted by the RF on untrue currency charges for criticizing some decisions militarily. I met him in 1980, a very unhappy man.
André was the first ever interview I listened to on FMR and he instantly got me hooked. His self-reflected thoughts, enthralling storytelling and insights are second to none and always a revelation. Very happy to see him back on the podcast once again (and hopefully more to come). Keep up your great work!
'Only' six years of combat experience' ... Incredible humility!
... And I had not envisioned MI6 in relation to Josiah Tongogara's demise
Good to see you both; Andre I really enjoy your straightforwardness and calm relating of events. I am in my 80th year, we dont get old (Ex5RR)
Salut Andre
Pete
Andre not all could serve at your level and I salute you.As a 1 pip lt.I meti The King at Darwin. While serving in Support Comm.I felt then that he Boet Swart and Pat Armstrong as adj. Could have run the war.Uncle Ron had just left support to start Scouts.
Andre you were right there! You traded the bullets! You own the story! You tell it as it was. If you ruffle a feather 🪶 it just does not matter. Salute!
Amazing talk thanks Andre and Hannes. Sounds like: The sum of the parts did not add to the outcome.
Andre always has fascinating talks
Snr Officers suffered from The Peter Principle and Very few very snr officers above Lt Col had the guts to act and dismiss.
The Old Boys.
The Loss of John Giles a Top Constitutional Lawyer during Negotiations Cannot be underestimated imho , Perhaps a FOI Request for all information pertaining to his death should be undertaken ,times are changing in the UK , attitudes and Diversity hires have left their secrets less well guarded, keep plugging away and never forget
“The constitution can be defined as the set of written or unwritten laws for governing a country. What are the benefits a country derives from having a constitution? The importance of a constitution to a country cannot be understated. A country without a constitution will ultimately plunge into chaos. All countries need constitution in order to run smoothly.!”
To Pastor Scheepers.
Isn't it morally permissible to name the treasoners?
Excellent accounts. Many thanks.
RSA.
During all the episodes of FM of R there have been great stories, anecdotes and recollections. However all the interviews between Hannes and Andre have been fantastic due to the honesty, integrity, humility and courage of this man....Andre has, through this chat answered so many of my questions on Uric, but more importantly confirmed that as a troopie, you knew so little of what was going on eg Watts/Renamo, Op Neutron, Hybrid warfare. Thanks again and God Bless
Thank you gentlemen, for your service, and information which revealed now, and perhaps hidden from many who were ignorant of much!. I salute every member who served in integrity and for those who sacrificed their lives in belief of victory. May they rest in peace....
The best of the best interview.
Let the guy speak Hannes, no crude editing or pointless interventions, let him name names, his narrative may not fit your aims, but we deserve to know his version of events. It is a fascinating insight into the world of international affairs ,we need to understand how the likes of MI6,CIA and the KGB manipulate world events, parallels can be drawn even up until today with conflicts such as the Ukraine and Palestine
If it wasn’t for Hannes or John for that matter we would never have had the opportunity to listen to some of the exceptional people on FMR. Please also remember that Hannes and Andre are long time comrades and wrote a book together. Nothing crude or pointless in this episode. Also Andre would never name names.
Most impressive person interviewed in this series. Thank you for keeping my family safe during the war.
Always enjoy listening to these interviews. Thanks for posting all these interesting videos about Rhodesia. I’m a history undergraduate, and I find all this history quite fascinating. Far more interesting than I had initially imagined, I’ll warrant. Greetings from South Carolina!
Many thanks Andre & Hannes for another fantastic interview shedding a lot of light and total respect to Andre for, to phrase it in a layman's terms, "calling a spade a spade".
One question comes to mind; is the Flowers rat still alive ??
Thanks once again for the interview - Salute and Respect, God Bless all always.
Regarding failures.
As humans, even when we try our very best, we are limited by the characteristics of our own personality. Until fairly recently I was extremely poor at reading the essence of a personality, and I guess I'm still not good at it, but I do know my ability has changed.
So, I guess what I'm trying to say is, to quote Dirty Harry "Man's got to know his limitations!". We can't be good at everything.
You are absolutely right regarding the wonderful character of Ron Reid Daly but continue to get the ‘ivory ‘ story wrong!
Yes, MI planted the bugs and they were monitored by BT but the real thing is that they never worked ab
Initio!
There was no foreign involvement in my opinion
Just as a side issue;
The Brits tried to intercept our communications. We were aware of that fact and worked hard securing our networks. I spent time in the Army working for a counterintelligence intercept unit. The Brits were not as good as you make out and we were better than you give us credit for.
Andre states '...with only six years of combat experience.' Wow, that's a long time - as long as WWII. Very interesting video.
One thing that always baffles me is how guys were allowed to take photographs of top secret missions. The famous photo of the Puma taking off at what must have been Chipinda Pools airstrip is a dead giveaway that South Africa was involved as the Rhodesians did not have Pumas. Were these photos developed in-house, or at commercial developers in town?
I think you answered your own question when referring to WWII in length and also self imposed OPSEC (or some other army word). Cheers
@@b.bruster1462 So the photos were developed in-house?
@@tigershoot I don’t know.
To my mind, an insightful, sincere and an "as truth-based as possible talk."
The man is a delight to listen to.
Thank you for posting.
Were semi-tamed baboons and traditional healers or witch doctors common in the terrorist or freedom fighter camps? Did the Rhodesian forces adopt the baboons that survived the camp attacks? Tethered baboons should have been placed on all farms.
One of my Christmas Days in Chipinga was dreadful as late of Christmas Eve, a gang of makandangas had attacked the farm we were in.
Happy Christmas.
Ross.
Thank you Andre, Hannes and John. The interviews are an important part of our history, thank you for sharing.
I thought that parts of this interview which engaged both Andre and Hannes in conversation was a perfect demonstration of how this series has matured. Please keep that aspect going 😊
Yours Aye
I was in the SA Army in 1980s. Even then there was still animosity towards English speakers. Many Afrikaners still have bitterness towards English speakers more than 120 years after the Boer war.
You are correct there was less bad feeling in the Navy and SAAF, but those are more professional services with higher numbers of English speakers.
In my experience, the animosity works both ways. Some Rhodesians and British South Africans who have had little or no contact with Afrikaners automatically dislike Afrikaners.
Hi Hannes
Thought of just let it slip by,but allow me to lift my opinion. As a afrikaander I can understand the ,how dit you put it" cold" shoulder you received from from afrikaners. Remember 70s was 70yr after the A Boer War.
Brittain inflicted harsh blows to the afrikaander. On my own fam my ggmother walked out of the war with husband dead 2 children dead horrific conditions in concentration camp ( at Norvals pont) 30 000 innocent woman and children died in that concentration camps.
Farmhouse burnt to ground all livestock shot in front of children. It took my fam +- 30 to recover.
Although we have the greatest respect for what you guys did in Rhodesia I will never forget the great injustice Brittain did to my forefathers a proud ,God-fearing nation was brought to knees by killing their wife's and children!
So if you don't mind forgive them that they gave you a cold shoulder!
Greetings
Gert Steyn
Nice to hear from you Gert. Yes, many terrible things were done during the Boer War. In general, I think Afrikaners have been remarkably generous towards the descendants of their former enemies.
😢the second Viscount crash needs more investigation
So sad. All those years ago
Very interesting such a awsome approach as a Sandf vet and officer i witnessed a lot of Pf officers who really dud not cut the mustard as so to say cudos to you for your analysis.
I was the site Agent that built Fylde military airport. The worst possible Engineering site to choose, Falsified soil sample reports. to name a few. Guess who owned the farm. A well known politician. Last time I mentioned the name I was roundly castigated
I have often said that the best thing that could have happened was for Rhodesia, Mozambique, Angola, Northern Rhodesia, South West Africa and South Africa, Congo, Guinea, Tanzania, Kenya, Malawi snd Botswana to unite and become the United States of Africa. Totally integrated and become 100% multicultural and multiracial after the Second World War. Banish all taboos with interracial marriage and schooling etc. I assure you we would have been a superpower and no one would have messed with us. I honestly believe it would’ve have been a success and envy of the world. Aaah Hindsight is truly a perfect science.
I never thought of that but it sounds great. I always said SA and Zim and Moz should unite and do away with all laws restricting normal progression.
South Africa was a superpower with its own nuclear weapons, but they had the forsight to decommission them before the hand over, just imagine what another crazy African dictator would do with nuclear weapons. The EAST wants you broken and fighting so they can walk in give you extortionate bank loans and take over in the end.
The northern hemisphere could see the exponential curve that Africa was on, so it had to be strangled as an infant.
The idea that Africa could have been the first on the moon is laughable now, but it was no joking matter to the Northern Hemisphere.
Good luck with that.
Even the different tribes within a single country could not get along
Going to the moon is the most pointless thing to do. And no, Africa couldn't have achieved it.
It was funny when during one very hard operation he said to rli soldiers that they should walk like soldiers and not drag their feet like straglers. :D
My comment was too light hearted for topic like this.
So interesting finding out what went on behind the scenes. I was a child in the 70s and we went down South in 81 when Mugabe came in. My Dad who served in th Armoured Cars, hated the Brits. My Mom who was British would roll her eyes. I am now understanding ....my Dad
Another fine thought provoking talk by andre. Cheers
Bravo ecolivelihoods 8.
What a leader!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow. Need to watch again to fully understand
Andres story telling is very detailed.
🎉Thank you 🎉
Dankie Andre en Hannes
Re tongogara, there a monument on the side of the road, south of Vila Coulous(spelling!)
Pamberi na Jesu Andre.
I have always wondered what the criteria for "officer material" that was used to select from the ranks. Now I am convinced that the selecting officers were selecting on their likies. (Who they thought was compatible with their personalities. Who they would be comfortable having a gin and tonic with in the Officers' club.)
Newton was a genius, for example, but you would never have him around at a dinner party because he was an argumentative arsehole.
The criteria for officer selection was corrupt.
They should have been voted in by the men that they led and whose lives they were responsible for.
Жалко что РОДЕЗИЮ победили негры повстанцы. Такое большое и красивое государство было с самоотверженными людьми. Печально
They were not defeated militarily, but economically by Britain and Europe
What were the poms trying to do and why did they take out the lawyer and tongogara?
Tongogara had the support of the troops, & Mugabe realised that he was a threat to his position of leader
@@calummackenzie1797 Exactly and if he had not died in the “car accident” there would be no Robert Mugabe in power. The state of the nation would have been very different had they not killed Josh
At 37:38 is Andre saying that he was tasked to assassinate John Giles? He was the constitutional lawyer on the Rhodesian side. Am I missing something here, or is the 'he' Andre refers to when he talks of 'taking him out' someone else? If Andre was tasked to kill John Giles then my next question is why? Obviously he never did as MI6 killed him according to Andre (whom I believe).
Andre's mission to 'take him out' sounds fascinating - has he written about it?
No, apparently John Giles was taken out by MI6 and Andre was given the names of the assassins and asked by the South African BOSS to eliminate them. The mission was a failure.
@@fightingmenofrhodesia OK. That makes sense! I thought it sounded really odd that he would be tasked with killing John Giles. Thanks for clearing it up.
@tigershoot André talks about it in more detail in his third or fourth talk (if I remember correctly) on the channel
Thanks for bringing that up, Tigershoot! That had me confused as well. This clarifies it.
here's some food for thought, did the British SAS down the Viscounts?
Indirectly yes but that culpability should be shared very widely IMO.
Sorry I didn't notice the SAS bit. Under no circumstances do I think that likely.
John Vorster.......
I'm a South African from rock spider descent.
But. Not blind as well.
JBV was one of the major back-biters contributing to Rhodesia's demise!
Ja Henry Kissingers buddy 😊
@@matthysjuys6884
Quite so.
I was in about standard eight when he was voted in.
What a grave mistake history proved.
@@JP-ne9lr Interesting!
And wondering how the Broederbond/Freemasons fit into all of this?
@@petervanwyngaard4788
Lethal
As was Pik Botha
The Boer War concentration camps and the Jameson Raid provided 'the Volk' with the DNA of 'the Rhodesian'. But its more simple than that. There was no way the rest of the world would stand idly by and watch the southern tip of Africa succeed. Kissinger, an idol to some here on this channels, was the mastermind behind the way the cards were dealt. So its time to move beyond our legends. Andre wants to be transparent, no mean feat, but then proceeds to cloak the identities of the 'top dogs' All he's succeeded in doing is maintaining the self-fulfilling prophesy. For me to know, but not for the plebs. Its all a bit phony to be honest. But that's not to detract from him as a person, a wonderful example of a believer who insists on taking that step between the reality of the world and the reality of Christ's incredible act: forgiveness of sins through His grace; not through our own efforts. Simply to accept and live in faith.