Die Grinders that Beat M12? On the Dyno: Ryobi & Harbor Freight
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Can Ryobi's PSBDG01B Die Grinder use its 18V to beat the Milwaukee M12 2485 from the same parent company? Will it's claims of beating pneumatic this time actually pan out? Harbor Freight's Chief line and their CH14ADG air 1/4" die grinder aim to answer that.
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As always Torque who started this channel is working in product development for Astro Tools, always consider multiple sources when looking at tool! - Auta a dopravní prostředky
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This episode makes me think that Milwaukee COULD make a quite good M18 die grinder this size with a slightly more convenient battery shape. Think they will?
As always, Torque who started this channel is working in product development for Astro Tools, who also make die grinders (air). Always consider multiple sources when looking at a tool!
Can you test the compact Ryobi One+ HP compact impact wrench PSBIW25?
I just picked up the DeWalt die grinder and must say the 250000 rpm mode is crazy. If you'd like I can send it to you to try it out on your dyno
@torquetest Can you add the SnapOn air die grinder and see how it compares to this data? Really interested to see how it stacks up against the HF Chief.
Hah. Please don't use the battery we are discontinuing, it makes the rest of the batteries look bad. Thanks Ryobi!
Penny pinching with 2nd class chinese cells.
@@riba2233 They're not using second rate cells. They just went back to 18650's similar to Ridgid killing the octane line then just recently bringing back the 21700 in the 8ah max battery pack.
@@alantran6901 they are. There was a big thread on Reddit with analysis and they basically stopped using cells from reputable brands like Samsung, Sony and LG and started using ones from evve and similar chinese brands exclusively.
@@riba2233 Dude, they're using Eve and Lischen with some TenPower occasionally. If you know anything about the battery market you know that Eve and Lischen are major players with TenPower being a B brand but still an established name. They're not sourcing random cells, just using the players that are available.
@@andrewfidel2220 didn't say they were random, they are well known and all but not in the same class as jap and kor cells. I mean they charge the same so... A rip-off
The Milwaukee fan boys will tell you no way that Ryobi is that good lol. I took a lot of heat when I posted my video comparing them. Nice video!
We're at negative 8 subscribes on the vid atm. Hard to bend facts to not hurt feelings though, that's progress.
@@TorqueTestChannel lmao, yeah u better watch out. They will start calling u a Milwaukee hater. Between this video and the cut off tool video thats 2 that make Milwaukee look bad.
I love milwaukee tools, but their die grinders are super disappointing. If not for not wanting to add a another charger and set of batteries to my tool box, I'm super tempted to buy this.
@@Apachefog yep that’s the part that sucks is adding another charger and battery. It’s funny that TTI owns both companies, you would think the higher performance tools would be Milwaukee. Definitely was a letdown I didn’t expect.
I did a review on that Ryobi grinder about 1 1/2 years ago and it's one of my favorite Ryobi tools. It really brings the power when needed. It's great to see it rank high on the chart as it should.
It ain't a friday without a TTC vid
Word up
You are IMO the best power tool review channel available right now. I truly respect your unbiased reviews and how you do everything to continue to stay unbiased. Thanks, and please don't change how and why you do these amazing videos.
Never would have expected a Ryobi to come in and blow out this category!
Only drawback being size for tight areas.
Great testing!
Ryobi is definitely uppercutting the power tool industry. I chose Ryobi tools at my job, and everyone makes fun of me. But I beat all their non Fuel Milwaukee tools, just not the M18 Fuel line
@@TheMhayden123 buying non fuel milwaukee your better off buying ryobi or ridgid for sure
Jebus, $149? That to me looks like it should be a $59 tool, without a battery. It's a freakin' motor. No gearbox, no more complicated chuck, nothing.
I agree about the category. It's literally a brushless motor with a collet. The 12V Milwaukee for $199 is especially painful, and the Ryobi is actually the cheapest cordless on the market! We just bought a Snap-On and it's just stupid
Buy when it goes on sale for $70-80 then =)
If there's one thing I've learned about tools it's that the shelf price doesn't reflect how much it costs to make as much as it reflects hiw much somebody can make utilizing it.
Take a gander at the wonderful world of woodworking and machine jigs if you want to get sick. Pieces of aluminum and a few cheap screw clamps run into the hundreds of dollars because it can greatly simplify a process.
@@TorqueTestChannel My man, TTC... any chance we'll see the Makita XDG02Z tested? Not 90 degree but looks pro quality. I guess you could also test the corded GD0603 if you need additional content for a full video along with it too. Hope you see this.
Ryobi has been good for me. I use the old 3ah lithium +hp batteries and rotate through them. I’m happy with the price and the performance. I haven’t been let down yet.
Welcome back! We missed you last week!
Glad to see more die grinders on the channel. Any chance you could take a look at the ones from DynaBrade and other industrial focused brands? I'd also love to see vibration testing added to this category as well as other ones. It's a big thing to consider when someone uses these for hours during a day. I work as a deburrer and use die/straight grinders as well as palm/belt sanders (could do videos on these too) ,all air powered and 90 psi I think. Let me tell you, your dominant hand is constantly sore. Takes weeks of not working for it to heal and feel normal again. If there is a very low vibration tool out there, I would love to use it lol.
Some kind of gel grip would be nice no doubt like a dr. Scholl's foot insert wrapped around the whole thing with zip ties or glue
I got that ryobi last summer, really like the tool. 4 speeds, smooth a silk.
I run carbide bits/ or small sanding discs in mine.
Happy Fridays are back! Everyone needs a break, but I missed this over the holidays. Good stuff.
Appreciate your testing. I really like my Milwaukee Die Grinder, but you have to be gentle when using it, it’s easy to stall out. Looks like the Ryobi model is pretty decent. I wish Milwaukee would come up with a 18 volt version of the angled die grinder. Any time I am looking to purchase a tool I check your channel first. Thanks a bunch.
The Ryobi grinder is on sale for $38 over at Direct Tool Factory Outlet, and $45 for the 4Ah "High Performance" battery. There's also a 2Ah starter kit for
Well timed video, I'm in the market for one, and to my surprise I think I'll be picking up another green tool.
Great comparison. I have to say that I am surprised how much you guys still use and love air tools. I can't tell you the last time I actually ran my air compressor. Cordless convenience is for me not even easily comparable with all the energy it takes to build air and dealing with the air hose and the noise as well. For me the air line connected to something typically makes it a lot less compact than a light weight battery! Just neat to see different perspectives on air vs. cordless than I personally think of! Love the channel!
For the average person, you're definitely right, the convenience electric is far superior. For a commercial shop however, air tools definitely are still useful. Noise is less of an issue when your compressor is further away or alongside other loud machinery. You'll usually have hoses in convenient places everywhere you need them. Lots of different machinery also requires air pressure to function, so a compressor might be required anyways.
@@CompactDiskoYes, I was intentionally speaking of smaller shops and garages. I will say though, I have been an Industrial maintenance for over 25 Years so I get that the large Centac compressors are running in another area for sure. To be fair though I have not had to use much more than M18 High torque Impact or Cordless IR impacts in the last 10 years or so honestly. Some areas do use the large hydraulic torque wrenches for big jobs, but not a lot of air tools.
Thank you for showing the ryobi I usually buy ryobi products so it's good to see them on the tests.
I love the Milwaukee right angle die grinder! I use it to clean gaskets ect for machines, i use a grinder if i do metal work!
Great info
I have one, I don’t use it that often, only for finishing purposes like blending small welds, but the batteries don’t last long.
Thanks so much for ur content. I'd like to see u test out the new line of CAT Branded cordless tools. I think they are sold online only from tractor supply for the time being.
Really glad I stumbled on this channel. Thank you for this content
I've had the Chief reversible cut off wheel for a few years and I still love it. Almost never bogs down. Biggest complaint is that it makes so much torque it can spin in your hands if they are greasy
I don't think I've seen you mention it in any of your videos but I think a swench manual impact wrench would be an interesting video to see the torque on, also does anyone know of an electric impact that alternates impacting left and right to help get a seized bolt loose? Or if that would even make a difference? Great video as always.
That Ryobi is quite the power house. The P195 remains my favorite overall battery, and I wish I had bought more than one when they were available. No idea why Ryobi discontinued it.
Another great job.
Absolutely fantastic when you disprove the ridiculous claims of tool companies.
You guys just keep stepping it up nice job.
Waiting with high hopes for a dewalt option. If its anything like their 3” cut-off tool it’s gonna be a problem for everyone else to compete with. The ryobi is very impressive, even for a “budget” brand.
Would you be able to test routers on that rig? I'd be interested to see horsepower numbers on cordless trim routers (milwaukee, ryobi, dewalt, makita) or maybe even some full size routers.
Do the big 11amp Milwaukee I just want to know what it does that things a beast we used them to port cylinder heads and intakes
I’d be curious to see the dewalt xr straight die grinder tested, I have one and it makes tons of power. It should though considering it’s size
Ok. Was definitely surprised by this one! Wish the ryobi was more compact.
Ryobi still doesn't get it! Turn the battery 180 degrees to make some clearance for the working end!
That would look silly.... and the tool would fall over when you set it down. And it would probably help a lot too. Maybe like the M28 Milwaukee stuff, could but put on either direction.
Ryobi does it get it. They improve tool and battery fit all the time. Not much more you can do 18v battery. It designed with cheap price point. You want the best ergonomics gotta switch brands
Another Friday another day to watch ttc and send the link to the mech group chat 🤟🏽
Thank you. I still use air. The straight Dewalt is just too big. Waiting for the day Dewalt comes out with a compact pistol style die grinder.
Some of these are starting to get into angle grinder territory. Sometimes I like a lower torque tool as it is easier on the hands when you don't have to worry about it grabbing and spinning out of greasy hands.
Wow, definitely gonna look for a deal on the Ryobi 👀
Man. Its a drill with a grinding chuck. Where am i going to fit that monstrosity lol. Wben im using a 90dg its to get into tight places .
I use my Milwaukee M12 polisher with the 3" roloc wheels. Can you please test that? I love it and it goes much further than the die grinders. Will you test the old m18 die grinder vs the new fancy Brushless version?
The best vid in the week 🤩
You guys should use this rig to compare wood routers I think it would be interesting to see corded vs cordles / plunge vs compact routers to ?
I just recently purchased the ryobi die grinder with a 4ah hp battery and it goes in to protection mode pretty quickly when you push on it to much but the air die grinder wouldn't quit the same way I was using a 3" 60 grit flap rolx disc as well. It also has alot of vibration at setting 3 and 4 but works fine aslong as you are easy on the pressure and let the disc do it's job.
If there's one thing Ryobi is always better at it is variety. They also have battery finger grinders! and cultivators. And soldering irons. And a whole bunch of other crap that other brands just don't have. You can't argue that it it a value add for them.
That variety is one of the reasons I have Ryobi as one of my battery systems. They may not always be the best tools, but with the variety they have, it's hard not to argue it's a worthwhile system to have. Add in good prices at places like Direct Tools Factory Outlet, and it's super compelling, despite not always being industry leading.
I've had the chief right angle die grinder for a while now and really enjoy it. Mostly use it for cleaning rust off brake caliper brackets with a big twisted wire brush. Sometimes cleaning gasket surfaces with a bristle disc. No complaints
I'd like to see you test all the air straight and angle die grinders for hp and rpms like mac sunnex aircrat ig rand ASTRO matco snap on 3m and maybe a few cheaper options.you do alot of test with cheaper tools that may be stronger with some big high powered battery but we both know durability on those things don't last as long.i am a autonomy repair technician the test would be extremely helpful for me and I'm sure many more techs looking for the best performing high quality tools for the right price.thanks I appreciate you for the knowledge
Boy. I would be very tempted to buy a red M18 version of that Ryobi. Air die grinders are just so loud and my compressor can't keep up with them anyway.
Please test the cordless Dremel style rotary tools, now that you are setup for it
Im already invested in team red but its good to see their other brand giving them some "competition". Gives me high hopes for the M18 die grinder.
m12 is better for the size, they just need to dial back the protection mode junk
@@M.TTT.
Seeing how hot some of the M12 tools get, I think it’s pretty warranted.
Was there no episode last friday or am I just not seeing it ? Anyhow great video love you guys.
Yup, 1st week off in about 2 years :D
@@TorqueTestChannel No problem ! I just wasn't sure if it was a bug on my side. Looking forward to 2023 ! Keep up the amazing work.
Great . Any comments on the Bosch version?
I have that harbor freight chief right angle die grinder. I use it every day multiple times a day. I oil it every day as well. I runs on 110ish psi on a 3/8 line. I’ve had for like 3 months now and it shows no symptoms of slowing down. It’s only been 3 months though I’m curious how it will holds up after a year
Any chance you’ll test out the Kobalt variant. I got it when it was on sale for like $30 and it’s been great!
Sadly for the Ryobi guys the 9ah battery was discontinued a few months ago. I do like the Milwaukee one for it's form factor. The thing that makes it different is the amount of torque down low. It can be pretty grabby at low RMPs if it catches something where as an air powered one will just stall out. Good and bad there.
Imitations of the 9Ah battery packs are selling on eBay for under $40 at the moment. It's likely that they actually measure closer to 3 Ah in reality, but testing them would be fun.
What about the Dewalt DCG426B? I've had mine for about 5 years now. Curious how it stacks up and wish they would make a right-angle version.
That Ryobi is cool, it's big, but when you have the room it beats the small weak tools by a mile. Curious to see the Bosch GWG 12v-50 S (Europe) and wat it can do on 12V.
Hey dude you should do a video on work lights from tool manufacturers
Please test out the new CAT impact driver the DX71. Thanks!
I’d love to see you test thrunite flashlights on this channel
Video suggestion: Can you please test the effects of greasing a impact and if too much is bad. Thanks.
I've had the milwaukee right angle die grinder for about a year now and compared to a 1/3hp air tool I have very few complaints. The only thing it isn't great at is cutting but neither are the smaller air tools. It also doesn't freeze your hand when using it. The reason it sucks for cutting is the protection cutout, but I've found the 1/3hp tools also lack the power to cut well and can push and pull you around much more. As for bearing down on a tool to get it to cutout I don't understand. You should let your attachment do the work not your body. The extra weight just kills the pad faster. What the extra power helps for is cutting. The HF chief would be great for cutting and equal for sanding/buffing pads. Speed control is also a bonus on the m12.
I use the M18 pretty consistently. I do work on bigger stuff but im still a mechanic and I prefer the extra power
Try some of the newer .75 and .83hp grinders from the tool trucks.
I have to keep my matco .83s turned to half or they break stuff.
Any chance of seeing the makita GD0603? It's corded, but pretty small for a corded 1/4 die grinder.
Please test the DeWalt 20v straight die grinder I use it almost everyday and I want to see how it stacks up
Not that I expect much difference, but did you ever try the M12 grinders with the "High output" batteries?
Would love to see the Hercules 20v die grinder numbers. Its incredibly cheap at $69 for the bare tool (and is frequently on sale for even less). The other hercules tools have impressed for the price so I'm curious if this is more of the same! Considering buying one
OMG, the sound of the HF Chief, when you no load fired it off there. You could hear it was going to be different.
Sadly, I can't hall a Compressor that size to the job-sites. So, I went with the Ryobi. It's size has no effect on what I need it for.
I would be interested to see how DOTCO would fare. I'm a Mold Maker and everyone in my shop swears by them and has been using them for decades because they're smoother and quieter than most, and can be rebuilt.
I know this video is old but I'd be curious if the high output batteries would help the m12 tools at all or if they would just go into safety mode quicker.
My dad has the Ryobi, I have the Milwaukee m12. The Ryobi is definitely more powerful, but I prefer to use the m12 for my work. I think it's prefer the Ryobi if the get was 90 degrees and the battery was backwards
Do you think having high air flow connectors would make a difference for the air grinders? Worth a video?
Wonder if we'll see a Hart version, since it's basically Ryobi HP in every battery but with a less awkward shape.
It's interesting to me that aftermarket imitations of the 9Ah battery can be had for under $40 on eBay. It will be interesting to see how they perform, and how close to 50% of the claimed capacity they get.
Amazon regularly has sales for the Ryobi Die Grinder in the $70 range, currently it's only $73
Mac Tools has the mcm401 2 or 3" sander polisher which uses dewalt batteries
Please test the 2 handed DeWalt/Milwaukee
I have the m12 right angle grinder and it works great for what I use it for but it's definitely not a power house. If I didn't get it for a great deal I probably wouldn't have it.
If it wasn't for the ergonomics of the M12, I would have picked another brand. That being said, it functions perfect for my needs.
Yes Dewalt must put out a die grinder ASAP! I need another tool to spend monies on. Hey are you going to be testing the new Dewalt impact driver the DCF845?. I have 2 on the way, I'll send you one to test if you're interested.
We've been waiting on our order
If you don't mind me asking, what happened to the "M12 on car battery" video? I got a notification for it this morning but now that I'm on my lunch break, the notification has disappeared and I can't find the video.
If you've taken it down, I do hope you rerelease it. It looked like it would be a great laugh.
You need to test the chief 4.5 inch air grinder. It is a beast and half the price of the competition whhich is Ingersol rand
Be cool of you tried the Milwaukee's with the new high output m12 batteries they came out with
Gotta see dotco, sioux etc for air drills and grinders it's the standard in aerospace
I think its worth adding my real world, every day use of right angle die grinders. I use them anywhere from 2-4 hours of use in a day. Yes, 2-4 hours of actual grinding.
I do lots of dealer and auction related automotive wheel rash repair/refinishing. 200-380 wheels per month. One peak month of 502. Mainly aluminum wheels, some steel wheels here and there.
Initially I started a pistol grip grinder, then moved to the Pneumatic Chief gun, and loved it, but hearing that thing will drive any one crazy. I grabbed a Milwaukee Right Angle die grinder from my local vender for 120 shipped BNIB, 2 6.0aH M12 batteries and have been using it the last 5 1/2 months. The key I Learned week one with the electric tools is that RPM's are your friend and friction increased by pressure can have you working backwards. 8 months with the chief, and 5.5 with the Milwaukee, my rate of work hasn't faltered at all. Sometimes with tools, torque isnt the most important thing, as much of an opinion that is.
for anyone curious, one single 6.0 battery will do 5-6 wheels that have rough damage around the entire edge of each wheel, and 2 have been able to be a good charge rotation for me except for a single day. My biggest complained is the shell of the Milwaukee is prone to breaking, via the clamshell design near the head, where it attaches to the base. I haven't broken it yet but it feels like one good drop will send it to its death.
I need a new right angle die grinder, And i forgot hf sells chief, I got the chief air hammer and its a monster, i was gonna order a different brand, but hf is across the street from where i work so able to return for a warranty helps a ton. Looks like im gonna get a chief if its still cheap.
I use the chief to grind welds and I can confirm it takes a LOT to bog it down
They call it torque test channel for a reason. If all you care about is power then pneumatic and ryobi win. Love the Milwaukee because there is no hose to worry about and a small footprint. Use it on my project car all the time, and grinders any bigger wouldn't have the room. Plus Milwaukee has more than enough power to take a reasonable amount of material off. My datsun had some 1/4 layer of undercoating underneath and the Milwaukee takes it off no sweat ✌️
Even if it's a comparison for HP, still include a multiplier to make it more realistic
Milwaukee doesn't seem to realize that not all tools should be on their 12v platform. Their cutoff tool is nerfed being 12v the die grinder seems to be the same. Which wouldn't be an issue is the customers who use them didn't expect 18v performance out of a 12v tool. Milwaukee charges too much money for what you get on some tools.
My coworker has a snap on one that works great we only use it for cleaning up the wheels on trash trucks but it works way better than a drill
Can anyone tell me if the ryobi die grinder was louder than angle grinder?
My favorite is still the aircat 6280. I was able to pick it up before inflation at 80$ on Amazon and it has crazy power
Ryobi make some good stuff
The Chief is almost identical to the Matco right angle die grinder.
Dewalt has a 20v grinder branded in red through Mac tools
Excellent comparison, I wish AvE would tear thse things apart and ell us bout it.
Now can you test the HERCULES 20V Brushless Cordless 1/4 in. Die Grinder
pretty sure DeWalt has a 20v die grinder (DCG426B), but also pretty sure its been out for a while, wonder if they will come out with an updated model before or after yall test the old one?
It's also not right angle and is a lot more expensive.
We're not testing 2-handed die grinders because they all seem to have plenty of power, enough to burn out most of the 1/4" shank tools they accept quickly in my experience
Tools tested will eventually test it probably. With his new dyno
More data points is a good thing for us.
I suggest you also subscribe to that channel as he seems to be just as impartial as TTC.
Have you tested the 2 M12 die grinders with the M12 2.5/5.0 ah batteries?
doesn't make a huge difference, but I always use mine with the 4.0 unless its a tight space.
I wish the manufacturers would post a video that documents how they achieve such high numbers…
I imagine that would end up causing extremely high quality tools to be developed and manufacturers don['t want that. They want you to replace your tools often.
@@Xlaxsauce nah… I mean, ya, they do want their equipment replaced to make more sales, but their performance numbers aren't related to reliability. If anything, that performance would (probly) result in a shorter life.