What’s next for SA? Dr Frans Cronje on elections 2024 and beyond
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
- On the eve of South Africa’s national elections, Chief Rabbi Dr Warren Goldstein had an in-depth conversation with renowned political analyst, Dr Frans Cronje - whose cutting-edge thinktank, the Social Research Foundation, has been running a daily tracking poll that is the go-to place for much of the country’s election analysis.
Find out everything you need to know about the elections - the different possible and probable outcomes, coalition options, and what we can expect moving forward into the future.
Gain a deeper understanding of the country’s current trajectory and future outlook, including the various socio-economic challenges and the political landscape. It’s not about optimism and pessimism - it’s about gaining the knowledge and insight we need to assess the various issues we’re facing as a country, in an informed way.
The SRF employs real-world analysis and hard data to provide authoritative insights on South Africa that local and international media refer to often.
This episode “What’s next for SA? Dr Frans Cronje on elections 2024 and beyond” is the latest in a series confronting key issues in South Africa, aimed at providing analytical tools and a rational framework for facing the future.
Chapters:
0:00 Intro
2:30 The political system is working
8:58 What do the polls say?
10:31 SA public opinion is moderate, not radicalised
16:17 South Africans by large share the same values
16:46 Rationality over emotion (data vs hope/fear)
21:52 The end of loadshedding
29:03 How polling works
36:06 A new era of coalitions
52:55 State-proofing your life and business
55:50 The potential of private players and communities
58:00 Saying "No" to government
1:07:15 NHI
1:12:47 Advice to the Jewish community
1:15:43 Closing remarks
#OutlookOnSA #ChiefRabbiGoldstein #FaceTheFuture #SAElections #Coalitions #RationalTools #RealData #SRF
Rabbi Goldstein is such an amazing man, the Jewish community are truly blessed to have such an incredible Chief Rabbi
He has good instincs and principles yes. There is of course also some uncomfortable blind spots and one particular problematic character flaw that is playing out .
How can one not back Isreal
Two great South African thinkers & leaders in the same room
Amazing 👏👏👏
If only we had leaders like this in government what great country we can achieve.
@@kaminaik2056 You can't get any worse than this ANC Governmunt
I think part of the government’s initial success was that the sanctions against South Africa were lifted. The majority of South Africans (of all races) were happy and hoping that life would get better for all. Businesses from other countries were investing in South Africa. Sadly, over the years, all that initial optimism got a bit frayed at the edges.
I really hope that this time we get a government that does it’s best for all South Africans. Why can’t we have a party that has a Black, Coloured, Indian and a White person sharing the leadership? So only policies that are fair to all get put in place.
(Except there should be 1 old lady who gets the final say in everything. Colour not important, just old and crotchety.)
@@moonshinesa8234 wow. Well laid out analysis and very insightful.
👍👍👍🙏🙏🙏
Every South African should watch this discussion.
Waar!
Standing with Israel 🇮🇱 from South Africa. 🇿🇦 Israel 🇮🇱 BE STRONG
Why don't you move to Israel. Down with Zionism. This man, has been spewing lies and hatred, not once, has he, shown any compassion, for the the suffering of the palistinians, Long live palistine!!!
Yes I agree with you,God is in control of His people ☝️ Glory Hallelujah 🙌👏👏👏👏👏
What a pleasure to listen to a highly nuanced and intelligent conversation by two highly educated and experienced South Africans.
Dr Warren thank you kindly for the insight ,I'm flabbergasted by Dr Cronje,s knowledge and wisdom on South Africas,s problems I must say that there is still hope for all in this beautiful country where all races can and will live in safety and prosperity.
Very good insight and discussion from both well educated and remarkable gentlemen. Always enjoy listening to Frans and Rabbi Goldstein as both are men of integrity. Kind regards from Mossel Bay and we stand with Israel because ELOHIM gave that country to Abraham, Isaac and Israel and nothing has ever changed!!!!
Speak for yourself, because the majority of South Africans, support the palistinians. This hateful so called rabbi, is trying, to deflect, by having this interview, because he, was being criticized for the callousness he has displayed to the genocide, being committed by Israel. Long live palistine
When you give away your inheritance for a pot of lentils,squander, loose and throw it away then it's lost for good.
This Rabbi is a man of integrity and always relevant.. Where is the Church at this time???Silent!!!!!The Church should be speaking out yet it is quiet!!! Shocking . `Thank you so much Rabbi Goldstein and Dr Cronje
How can non Jewish people who don't attend church support our Jewish communities?
@@user-ld3rp3lr3t What type of question is that?
There has been churches that have spoken out.
@@brendakruger2597 A sincere question nothing offensive meant
The leader of ACDP.... Rev Moshoe stood up in Parliament and pledged his support for Israel..... I stand with Israel and I'm a black South African..... I am a Christian ....... I might not be a Jew but i stand with Jewish people💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾🇸🇻❤🇿🇦
I like sourh Africa is very encouraging to hear a white man talk a balanced assessment of thr situation in that country using purely spastics:giving praise where needed and reprof where needed. I am an accomplished Zimbabwean electrical engineer working g in West Africa and wish that this sort if brilliance can exist in my country l will take the next flight home. Ounce again thank you for this production l followed it right to the bed well done
Thankyou for this encouraging and informative interview! What a blessing!
Forget Chasing the Sun, every South African should watch THIS.
We are but we NOT forgetting our Boks...Thank you
What an informative and encoraging discussion, ì have learned so much. God bless S Africa and Israel
Praying for the peace of Jerusalem 🙏🙏🇮🇱🙏🙏🙏🙏
Dr Frans Cronje is obviously an incredibly intelligent man but sometimes I wonder if he is too optimistic. Zimbabwe went through a similar process, In the 90s when they were doing well support for Zanu PF was strong. As support for Zanu PF fell off they began to bring in extremist policies (think NHI, expropriation bills) that ultimately led to the downfall of Zimbabwe. Zimabwe's democratic system worked well until it didn't.
Remember absolute power corrupts absolutely. I can't help but think that ANC leaders who have been on the gravy train for too long have too much to lose.
Please stop comparing the 2 countries. They were never the same...
Awesome conversations between two very dynamic gentleman from different back grounds in RSA, but have the same passion for a better RSA for all. South Africa will be doomed the day our Jewish friends leave the country.
Exactly 💯💯💯💯 Totally AGREE 💯💯💯💯
Thank you both for a balanced conversation which is empowering.
Rabbi, you are an inspiration...thank you for your compassionate and clear leadership and guidance! Dr Cronje, thank you for your amazing insights, clarity of thoughts and ideas...What an honor to listen to this discussion! Thank you both!
Highest respect for Rabbi Goldstein! 🇮🇱
I just hope the opposition parties are taking his comments to heart. He makes a lot of sense.
Yes we are fed up. We constantly prayer for change. Only Yahweh can save us frm current gvmt
Yahweh was an alien..
Brilliant discussion
I stand with Israel ❤🇸🇻 and I'm 🇿🇦
we should stand for our OWN country FIRST (not governments).
Isreal and its issues carry too much weight here
and off course Israel should be supported, but our own issues is more pressing and deserve priority
@pieterduplessis6906 100%
Great video- 11:50 onwards "a comfortable 8/10 south africans are with each other and respect each other accross race, class, history...we are not a radicalised populace". Great to hear.
It’s mostly true. I think about 89% of all South Africans want the same things, a job so they can support their families (thanks guys because you do most of the supporting family weightlifting, and don’t whine and moan about it).
We all have the same slightly daft sense of humour and are not hostile towards each other.
Our support for sport is stupid. Except for Cricket, that’s a different story altogether, I’m working on inventing a cricket bat that attracts the cricket ball and then forcefully blasts it out of the field for 6. The other countries’ cricket teams will never take another wicket and trying to catch the ball in flight will result in 4 broken fingers and a swollen thumb.
Thank you for such a great discussion. God bless you.
Great discussion. Thank you for always hosting such amazing interviews Rabbi Glodstein. Praying for peace in Jerusalem, victory for the IDF and protection of the Jewish nation world wide
There's coal now probably because Gwede asked his buddies to stop stealing it and putting rocks in the boilers. Just for 2 months please
Why no loadshedding now i strongly feel elections and anc ia getting diesel from iran to keep lights on not getting for nothing for goin to icj.
😅😅😅😅😅
Standing always with Israel. Professor John C Mubangizi, Dean: Faculty of Law, University of the Free State
South Africans are sick and tired of corruption. They are angry, frustrated and despondent. And they have every reason to be. South Africa has many problems: crime, unemployment, poverty, gender-based violence, inequality, low economic growth and now - in common with many other countries - COVID-19. The list goes on and on. What makes corruption the biggest threat among all these is that it cuts across all of them and impacts on their gravity in different ways.
Well said sir
It is time that people realise that for whom they ever vote they also responsible for that party's action.
We must donour own due diligence
What a brilliant interview thank you both for your deep insight.
Brilliant brains!!!
Thank you Rabbi Goldstein and dr Cronje... I found this discussion very very interesting as well as encouaging. Blessings to you both.
Chief Rabbi,thank you for a great show, and your well respected Host Dr Frans Cronje, I learn so much today, hope to see more podcast of this nature, but I must add, according to what I see about the political leaders, the only politician who openly and boldly support Israel and the Jewish state is Gayton McKenzie
Zuma must get locked up for good
Zuma will save you from growing EFF. "Sometimes blessings doesn't look like blessings"
@@Abby_KayGee They are all useless
You forgot to mention and the KEYS thrown far far away🤣
@@tracychoolan9812coming from the 1 who's promoting another criminal Gayton
What should happen to apartheid and colonial thugs?
Shouldn't they were orange first?
So nice to hear sensible conversation.
What an amazing show. Thank you Rabbi Goldstein and Dr Cronje! This is so uplifting, watching post elections.
Interesting perspective, I will follow Dr. Frans from now!
Chief Rabbi Goldstein. Please be our president? We are bleeding.
In your dreams 😆 we don't need a Zionist as president, he can go to Israel, and stand as a candidate, but here, he stands " a snow ball's chance in hell" to become president. Down with Zionism! Long live palistine.
Clear blue flame thinker...Dr Frans Cronje
Thank you very much gents. May God bless you and keep you. May He makes His face shine on you and bless you with His Shalom
Thank you both for this important discussion. I pray the powers that be, listen to you both. Bless Israel always from Durban. Israel belongs to God. Praying for our country for a righteous coalition govt. May God bless this beautiful land. Well said gentlemen.
South Africa has become a pariah
An excellent and honest discussion and analysis
Fantastic both two very eloquent men, with loads of insight. Well done guys
We are grateful to Rabbi for taking the stand. What are we without the Jewish community here in SA?
GOD ALMIGHTY knows the TRUTH and truth will prevail 🙏🙌🙌
Those against Israel will be cursed and those standing with Israel will be BLESSED 🙏🙌 🙌
TRUST JESUS Christ our ROCK and SAVIOR for strength wisdom safety protection guidance and salvation, nobody of this EVIL world!!!!
Praying for EVERLASTING PEACE and VICTORY in ISRAEL JERUSALEM 🙏 🙌 🙌 🇮🇱 🇮🇱 🔥 🔥 🇿🇦
Anc/Eff/Mk are all one and the same
And if you add their possible percentages support, it still adds up to close to 68%, the highest support for ANC in 2004.
So has anything actually changed?
At its peak under mbeki the ANC was at 67% odd.
Right now the ANC + EFF + MK is about the same.
So nothing much has changed in the minds of voters in terms of what works and what doesn't.
Maybe liberal non black south africans voted for ANC because they were happy with results. The theme of this discussion is that south african voters initially voted for ANC first because they were doing very well.
Excellent talk. Thank you gentleman
How can anyone vote for Zuma, after what he did to the country?
They believe he is brilliant and will share the spoils with them.
Zulu Nationalism, is not that complicated.
Yes. Black people are very emotional mostly…so no logic.
Sadly, most of Zuma's support will be tribal voters who are totally ignorant of the immense damage he caused as president of SA.
The mind boggles that those who are following Zuma's tit for tat stance, do not see the wood for the trees. He is 82 & cannot live forever. What will his tribe do when he is finally gone?
I started watching this interview yesterday, from now on it's prophet Frans Cronje, "Frans jy was amper 100% spot on!!!" Well done! Thank you to Rabbi Goldstein for seeing this man's insight, and inviting him to explain. This is the 2nd time in a matter of a few months, I'm proud to be (still) part of SA, 1. Our World Cup moerse surprise winning. 2. Listening to people like this, 3 days after the election realising, this was a discussion 3 weeks ago....😊 Thank you so much wise-ones...
Progressive Thinking and thought leadership personified 🎉 thank you gentlemen.
What an amazing interview our God is still control,thank you with God we will have victory and be blessed,He has overcome the evil we need to claim it
Amen
Thank you Rabbi
What about Dr Cronje ? No thanks for him.
Thank you so much! Rabbi Goldstein I am praying for Israel and the Jewish community!! God bless!
Wow wow wow nice one Jeremy, Kay it's good to hear your voice again. Welcome aboard. Love to George. Love from South Africa
Love the story that the facts support! Thank you Rabbi for your insightful platform.
Thank you, Chief Rabbi, and I enjoyed the discussion with Dr. Frans Cronje as God is great 👍 😅
Absolutely brilliant conversation. Jeepers this interview covered it all. The challenge today is we want quick, but I am so glad I listened to this. Thank you ❤
Lovely watching this insightful discussion. It will give many people hope. Mr Cronje would you please dwell deeper into your Prophecy about Ramaphosa not being a reformer for many reasons. Even if has to be on other platforms like Biznews and State of the nation. That would really be one insightful and interesting eye opening discussion for the people of this country🖖
❤EXCELLENT discussion ❤❤❤
May Hashem bless our country !
This was truly insightful. Thank you so much.
All this ignores the effect that until now, the ANC did not have to worry about being elected. We are going to see what the party in power now does in order to stay in power when they decline in popular support
No middle class in Nigeria and health care is a joke and very frightening!!
Brilliant speech ❤
53:54 as private supply takes over from state supply, we should also start paying less tax. A government can't renege on service delivery and still expect citizens to continue paying tax.
Interesting comment about our unemployment rate. It ignores the "informal" sector which apparently contributes R140 billion to the economy. According to GG Alcock the rate is closer to 10% if this sector is included.
Peace has a price and a bigger cost, in war everyone loses out,sad but its the way it happens,world needs peace,it must come
Insightful discussion, gentlemen. Thank you.
Just how practically is the SA government going to reduce SA unemployment to below 10%?
Thank you for the balanced perpective Chief Rabbi Goldstein and Dr Cronje. May God bless S.Africa always
Thank you for the insight. Just a point on the community inputs at min 57. Post 94 responsibility was placed on the government to provide. However on a community level the responsibility of self-improvement and maintenance, should and ultimately is the responsibility of that community. The mindset change required for that shift in responsibility, needs to be top down and will be incredibly painfull for those communities. Considering the broadly held notion that government is the primary provider.
Diesel has cost a fortune !
We need the power of the Jewish Community they are a great up fitment.
I will vote for SAJBD if it contests elections
Mkhulu Credo Mutwa on his last birthday before he died said, South Africa will never prosper as long the government and private sector dont recognize or include the indigenous tribal chiefs, Kings, Queens and healers of the this land.The bloodshed was never cleansed.
Hard power is something we have historically sqaundered, over an abundance of self doubt and guilt. Those days are hopefully coming to an end.
I would very much like to ask about these Islamists who have dug themselves into SA including financially, they have imbedded themselves in business such as CR MTN and such. My concern is not the financial but the ideology and antesemitsm.
Correct - Iqbal, owner of the Cape Times is hugely anti-semitic !
Brilliant show 🙏
I disagree the Mbeki era was good. All those advances were had at the cost of cutting maintenance in SOEs from rail to Eskom., setting up the disaster we see now.
Absolutely Correct.
What a good an rational conversation.
Thank you for this enjoyable and inspiring discussion, gentlemen.
Much appreciated from 2 reputable people with progressive minds.
I find it easy to listen to Frans's interesting, well thought out talks...a necessary short cut to relevant summary information for one's own further thinking
A word of advice to people who wish to run long interviews. GIVE THE SPEAKER A WATER BREAK!
Great great great interview, thank you🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Brilliant and insightful cutting edge information
❤ indeed ❤ Thank you Rabbi Goldstein and Dr Cronje ❤❤
Thank you Chaim !! God bless you and please Lord protect all the soldiers in this war!! Greetings from South Africa ❤❤❤
Two Great men, love this... ❤️ 🇿🇦
This brother here, Dr. Frans Conje, is whispering the sweetest words I’ve, perhaps, ever heard out of Africa.
It is, indeed, a MORAL imperative to maintain and increase coal, and other perhaps dirty, energy sources for the sake of the poor. Let an energy surplus lead to a change over. Woe to the West for not understanding this.
God bless so beautiful send and explained. Thank you
Frans Cronje😎🔥🔥🔥
The lights will go out on 30th of May.
Thank you, much appreciated. It's time for change. Sick of dystopia! ❤
Must trust YHVH for great discernment and biblical values based convictions at the voting station, to restore rightheousness in the land.
An excellent discussion.
Thanks, for all the info so appreciated
Thanks
We’re all Gods people at the end of the day
Thanks for all the data and blessings to both of you
This is so reassuring, a little difficult to understand everything but thank you so much for this talk.
private health care promotes Rockefeller medicine, take your health into your own hands.
Great discussions with balance to the manner in which to move forward. Appreciate you both for sharing.
I was greatly encouraged by this discussion. Thanks so much!