Proof That Horn Enclosures Are The Loudest - 5,000 Watt SPL Test - 146 Decibels
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- čas přidán 23. 12. 2023
- Discover the Surprising Power: Witness the Skar Audio VXF-12 Subwoofer's Astonishing 146 dB SPL Score. Prepare to be shocked by the Skar VXF-12 as it exceeds all expectations.
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Not to be overdramatic but this video is very important for the audio community
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Thanks for saying so. I wanted to mention it as well
@titoham-DCXLswhy wouldn’t it be?
@titoham-DCXLsi think they imply how everyone gives skar audio crap. but yet here we have 1 sub hitting 140d
Underrated channel. If you’re a bass head, and care about helping new bass heads. Share this guys channels to help him but ultimately help new comers. I made a lot of mistakes in my beginning years because I didn’t read any books and there was no CZcams.
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Welcome welcome back
12v / car audio / bass heads community need YOU Sir...
As always amazing content video audio commentary tutorial demo editing humbleness & honesty
As a creator & diy you always killing it
Explanation & lessons are truly a help
Diagrams & schematics top notch
Its ironic these experts talk the talk but dont walk the walk where are their videos ?
Dont let the haters bring you down
You keep bringing us up 🙏
I 100% agree. Love this channel. He looks at more enclosure types and goes down the rabbit hole for testing.
My Fav basshead,
I made a infinite baffle system after watching your vid on it
I never expected my 2 skar 10-ix to be loud and sound good
I'm glad it worked out for you I love my infinite baffle
@BudgetBasshead- Its nice to see you back. Thanks for taking the time to make this video, Happy Holidays 🎉to you, and your family!
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I'm still most impressed with that NVX/Earthquake PR build hitting 140 with only a kilowatt.
Aw man I’ve been waiting for another video. Thanks for your content. Horns are my fav btw
Good to have you back, thanks for the video
Loving the new style and presentation in this video. It's obvious how much effort and you're putting into your content and I, for one, really appreciate it!
You're one of the few people who combines not only the type of content us bassheads desire, but you also have the technical knowledge to support your projects.
I'd love to see you build a T--Line enclosure with an 8' driver (or a 10" if theres enough space).
Across CZcams I've seen builds of enclosures of every order, from infinite baffle to 8th order bandpass , all of which you thoroughly explained and demoed some.
But, I'm still eagerly hoping that someone will build a quality T-Line subwoofer enclosure for the mobile environment. It's clear you definitely have the technical prowess to design & construct one. Please...
Thanks for the tip. That may be my next video 😉
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I'd be so grateful if you did decide to do that. And I know it'd get a lot of interest from across the sound reproduction fanbase, whether the mobile SPL or SQ addicts, the home theatre crew, the hi-fi/audiophile purists or even the pro-audio professionals. T-Lines have something to offer every one of those scenes, yet so little is understood about them.
I love the detail you show in and on the subs you feature! I love the clarity of your videos as well!
Thanks so much!
Awesome video christmas present. Been missing your vids
Great to see you back.
Nice to see you posting again! Great video. Merry Christmas
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I'm still annoyed that you don't have at least 100K Subscriptions! You deserve it brother! 👊 Much love from GA!
Man I love your videos very informational thanks all you do
1st off welcome back and we missed you. You’re definitely not gonna blow that sub.I had 1 on a bass 5k at .5 doing 150.7 in a Altima coupe.Playing it at such a volume for long periods of time will cook it tho.
Very nice! Love how that horn enclosure looks but never ran one.😊
Horn enclosure for the win 🤔
They are amazing for burp boxes. They put up big numbers.
So not a very musical box? @@BudgetBassHead
Finally a video from my guy !!!
Your the best bro. Please continue making more vidoes.
Nice to see you posting again, happy holidays Merry Christmas whatever you call it,have a happy and safe one to you and your family 💜🔺️👍🤞
🎉🎄🎅🔔🎉 Thanks. Happy holidays to you as well!
Horn enclosure has a flat frequency response that's why it does the same number on such a wide range that's what we use in our country in all our cars shows
Thanks for sharing that I appreciate it
Representing Bro...Trini here as well.
@@jmohammed5487 yeah lol
First, Merry Christmas to your family and you sir!!!!!!!
Second, you got the knack for the video thing.......
KEEP IT UP
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Great video 🫡
Nice to see a new video. I think you have more potential here. If you seal it off from the trunk you’ll see the most gains. If you don’t want to go through the trouble I suggest you slide the box all the way back but leave the subs facing forward. The way you have them in this video you are losing the lows behind the box. You need to seal it off from trunk to stop that back wave loss. Facing subs forward is the way, just slide the box all the way back and re-test.
Great suggestion. Keep them coming!
Nice work my bass brotha 🔊 🙉
Great job 👏
Merry Christmas! 🎉
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Good morning Merry Christmas to you and your family have a wonderful blessed day!!
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Love the test, any thoughts of trying the CP1200 in the same enclosure?
Amazing box
Very nice, sir. 😮
I am very interested in sound systems. I've been playing around with bluetooth speakers lately. How can we get more powerful sound from small cabinets? It's nice to come across your channel, and it's nice to know you. I wonder what kind of quality we would get if you installed a sound insulation panel inside the cabin you built? Do you have a chance to try it at the right time?
Nice box. It's very loud.
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Hey man you should try a passive radiator with that set up and see how it does bet you could break 150 with a si gle 12
Could you test a 10" PSI platform 2?
Can i get the specs to build this box for my truck? Thanks
Love your enclosures is there a place to buy the plans to build them
Coming "REALLY" soon. I'm working on it as we speak!
Can't wait really want the 6th order band pass parallel you built for the CT Sounds Meso 6.5@@BudgetBassHead
Nice intro 👌
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Excellent Presentation! Love the bass knob too. What is the name?
It's Dayton Audio DSP bass knob.
Any way to share the build sheet? I got zelle for payment appreciate it Thanks
been a while bud got a video idea for you im sure it's out there but could you test amp per sub vs big amp on multiple subs im more curious on how the box rise acts no spl
Not a bad idea. I'll keep that one close. Thanks
Are you sure thats a horn? Maybe a stepped horn with each section bigger than the last as opposed to a smooth, flared horn shape. IDK, I'm not used to seeing parallel walls in a horn enclosure.
51Hz is the vehicles peak, correct? That sounds about right.
I wish you could show an rta graph so we can really see what these enclosures are doing.
It's a back loaded horn
@@greenbassboosts8872 I'm not referring to front or back loading. I referring to the horn shape. Instead of a smooth V shape, it appears to be a jagged stair step "flare". As long as the exit is larger than the mouth, it qualifies as being a horn. I guess I'm used to seeing folded horns with a gradual flare instead of steps. Does that make sense?
@@JasonWW2000 you have to get strategic with limited space of a trunk. Staggering the horn is acceptable as long as you maintain the proper flare.
@@BudgetBassHeadI'm guessing you measured the difference between the entrance and exit of the flare and then divided that by the number of sections. This way you know how big to make each step.
Have you considered making an RTA so that you could see the frequency response? I was using SPL meters and taking samples at different frequencies 30 years ago. Lol. Times have changed and technology has gotten a lot better. Assuming you've already got a windows-based laptop laying around you could basically build an acoustical RTA for around $150. You could also convert it to an electrical RTA for another 10 bucks. These types of tools can come in really handy.
your correct.....that nice "box" is NOT a horn......
Question, I have a system in my living room and was wondering if you think that horn enclosure would work in the open like that? I've never had or even built a horn enclosure and do you have plans for that enclosure you can share or how to make plans for one? Thank you for everything you do to help and test everything you do because it helps us so much
Hey man, hopefully you can get a response from the creator, but as a quick answer, horn enclosures are used commonly in outdoor performances and concerts, the horn enclosure in a sense isn’t as heavily affected by listening space (while it still has an effect not as much as a ported box) so your out put will stay more consistent through the frequency band just like how the creator measured 144 dab on 37 hz and 53hz. There are a couple of videos that explain the math behind designing ported box’s and there is a lot of literature on the subject if you are willing to do the research and read. That’s just a crude example of what a horn enclosure does, but if you are going for more of your concert bass a horn enclosure would get you close
Most subwoofer horn enclosures are considered directional and they often suffer from poor transient response. So you would often see a simple bass reflex enclosure instead. In home audio every room is different so you would have to play around with maybe a software or just removing your subwoofers in different locations to see what works for you.
Ok, thanks man for the explanation, insight and help 👍
Ok, thank you so much for your help and what all of do! Testing everything so we don't have to do all of the stuff you have to go thru. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU!! Saves us some much money and time on everything
How's it compare to a ported? Is it the loudest single 12 you have built? Great stuff man love the channel
Yes it is the loudest single 12. But I'd only suggest this type of build for SPL lanes
Oh for sure I just like it doesn't need an environment to function
I remember gettin 145 on 2 15s hx2s back in the day in 1000 watt amp mtx 8100d amp
it's been awhile since last video eh
8 months. Feel like an eternity.
Can you show the box build i have one 8 square kicker and 2 6.75kickers
I'll share those plans in a future project
@@BudgetBassHead thanks i appreciate it
What is the box specs?
What would you change to make it a daily enclosure? Make the folds narrower? It looks like 6" in the folds you have I was going to try it myself Thanks man keep up the great work
This horn is too short in length. in order to play the lower frequencies properly, this horn would be too long to fit in this trunk.
@@BudgetBassHead Damn it lol Thanks for the reply hope all is well Sir!!
does the back of your headliner rattle? i have 2 sdr10s and it rattles hard asf on some frequencies. What did you do to fix it if so. i have a 2019 impala
Yes it rattles way too much. It has actually shaken a loose all the rubber trimming around the third light brake light. I'm thinking about adding some rock wool underneath the liner
What software did you use to design that box
Horn Resp
Bro I have a giant 3.0 cft on a vxf 12 with 2 aero ports subs facing up and it can possibly be around the same as this but my car doesn’t have folding rear seats (Lexus) and its just a open square in the middle seat if I wanted a new box what would be the best option? Horn or build one with a port in the middle somehow to fit where the seat opening is I know a lot of people do blow thru boxes in them
Blow-threw would be best sounding.
@@BudgetBassHead thanks i appreciate it i was thinking that would have to be the best option
That box was is 6.5 cuft. Now I'm curious what 2 12's in a PORTED box would do in 6.5 cuft box and or 4 lower level series 12's would hit in a 6.5 cuft SEALED box? 🤔
Great question
Each system is progressively less efficient but yes this is a dilemma.
Is this a backloaded horn enclosure? What other type horn enclosures are there?
Back and rear loaded are the same
I think it would be louder at the lower frequency if you opened the front passenger or driver window it's fighting cabin gain.. windows open sub facing the rear there's a decibel and a half on the table... facing forward build a beauty panel around it to get rid of resonance you would be very surprised with that which I believe you've done in the past videos... I like your videos very straightforward .. keep into consideration 2 with horn enclosures sometimes they Peak slightly below tuning by just cracking a window like you said it was breathing at 37 so roll the windows down up front and run it at 35 play with the meter being on the dash or at a headrest those different positions for the meter will be interesting and like others have said in the comments important for the audio world to understand
Thanks for the tips.
@@BudgetBassHead it's just good what you do and how you show it live action instead of just spreadsheet I've always enjoyed your videos I've got 20 years in the car audio business as a profession but I've spent the last five years really focusing in on efficiency of vehicles and enclosures so on and so forth.. I wouldn't give myself the credit to say their tips you're just ideas that I've noticed massive gains and sometimes losses Merry Christmas... hopefully you start putting out some more videos I thought the community lost you for a minute but then you popped back up I'm glad to see that
With today's prices, about how much would it cost to build my own horn enclosure for a 6.5" subwoofer using 5 ply birch?
A lot. Not sure specifically though
It's a 1/4 wave resonator. A true bass horn will be HUGE (Mouth diameter needs to be equal to wavelength of lowest frequency to reproduce - at 30 Hz that would be 10.4 metres (!). Most "bass horns", even the pro audio stuff, are just 1/4 wave resonators. Running an impedance curve on it with a DATS will tell you what frequency it's tuned to.
BTW, the stuffing will cut down the peak output at the resonance frequency, unless you use only small amount in the section between the driver and the closed end of the path. With my POC7 build, removing about half a 30 L garbage of stuffing gained me 2.8 dB at the resonance frequency.
How does 36 and lower play? I heard they can play 10 hertz below tuning
Below the fundamental tuning excursion goes up dramatically very quickly and output also falls off quickly. You don't want to play under the tuning frequency at all IMO
It "can" play it, but not at the same volume level as it's tuning
15" inch sub horn enclosure when?
Wouldn't fit
So what would the box do UNSTUFFED?
Louder with a horrible transient response
@@BudgetBassHead you the expert.
Just wondering if you would roll with this as a daily box?
Bro we’re tf u been. We need cl vids bro
Do it even play music with a port that big
Horn enclosures are different from regular boxes. Phone enclosures amplify every note.
@hexibase is this a horn dont look like one to me
Just imagine if you added a sealed chamber to the front (4th order). I think you'll reach 150db at least
Can you get a zvx and try it to see the difference
I'm quite sure if zvx would do a lot better.
@titoham-DCXLs are you sure? The zvx is geard towards spl hints why the fs is so high on the zvx. The zvx coil will stand a 2-4 min music rms test. The vxf is more for sql and lows.
I testes a large 15 inch horn-ported Box hybrid. At 70w rms its loud enough to hear music at a high volume and start to shake Things. Next test will be 800w rms on the sub, this could be something pretty cool. 120€ driver playing over 145dB linear from 120-32hz and then roll off smooth
Sounds like you made a great enclosure
One of my VXF coil started unwinding on me 😢
You went over it's thermal limits. It's a 1,500W coil. If you overheat it, the glue will melt.
💔 now I gotta figure out what I need to upgrade to RS plats or avatar stu
That's the only thing that gets me about skar. I hav a buddy that running 2 18 EVL and he beats them to high hell, on a rp 2k on each 18, No problems. I go better wire better all use same exact everything, I even took 3 MO ths of slowly breaking them in. But nope, they both said every1 loves a Slinky,
You shook that dust loose from your sanding job.
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I only counted three folds,
Louder without the stuff? Surprised me there.
Yes it's louder but way less flatter it would have a horrible transient response
@@BudgetBassHead I got a ported Type X 10 on 1200 rms i should try that its a little boomy and a little over powered. Need to try before I build a different box.
This is not really a spl sub …. That exposed pure copper voice coil will not last long and doesn’t move as freely as the zvx’s black coated aluminum voice coil , won’t last as long or dissipate heat as well either due to its weight of movement . I’ve went through 2 of the vfx on rms powers (1500rms) and haven’t burnt not one zvx even damn near max powers 2500 rms 2800rms , 3000rms on jp amps with 14 volt numbers 🤷🏽♂️ it’s good for a dynamic/acoustic range though.
@BudgetBassHead that is the wrong material to stuff your box with it needs to be the polyfill because air doesn't travel through the material that you used for that so it makes the box smaller The air needs to travel through the material slowing it down making it seem like the box is bigger. Remove it and I bet your numbers go up
You would easily get a 148-150 with the zvx based on this test if you got a 147
That's not a serious horn though. It's too short and not enaugh area at the end and too much area at the start. For horns the compression ratio at the start of the Horn is very important! Pretty much like on an engine a higher compression ratio will make more power.
Also stuffing usually isn't done as it lowers the effectiveness of the Horn.
If you want i can design you a Tapped Horn for whatever driver you wanna use and how low you wanna get. Tapped Horns are a mix of a normal horn and a transmission line. Because of that they should work better in a car. Full horns work purely on impedance matching with the air around rising the pressure. A car is such a tiny room that it's already a rather high pressure environment which is where a TH comes in as it's more of a hybrid.
If you wanna try one let me know. I got a built plan for one ready that goes down to 13hz though idk if it fits in your car. Can i send you the build plan somewhere?
I addressed this in a previous horn I built for a six and a half inch subwoofer to get a true horn for a 12 you would need the entire back seat plus the trunk.
@@BudgetBassHead Yea pretty much! A Tapped Horn on the other hand can be somewhat compact in comparison. Can i DM you the build plan somewhere for the tapped horn that i built?
Would love to see you test a tapped horn in a car!
Yup, this build is more of a 1/4 wave resonator than a true horn. I'm betting that its impedance curve will look just like that of a vented box (1/4 wave resonators, like vented alignments, are 4th order systems; there will be two impedance peaks with the system's resonance frequency located at the dip between them). I also call them "bass whistles". Want more gain at the resonance frequency? Keep the path length the same, but increase the cross-sectional area along the path (which will result in a bigger box, of course). Want even more gain? Increase the expansion from the closed end to the open end, but bear in mind that this will shift the resonance frequency upwards and convert the build into an even more one-note box.
146 is no prob with a decent single sub setup and 1500w.
From the trunk? With a 12?
@@BudgetBassHeadI mean in theory if the box is efficient yeah it’s doable. Rising to 5 ohms+ netting you 1500 watts clamped I see it being very doable
@@BudgetBassHeadi'm doing on 40hz 148db with a 12" Edge on less than 1kw output
2 peaks is the box peak and cabin peak. Also 146 on 5kw is not impressive. I’ve done 150’s on 1kw. 51hz peak is about right for a sedan
From the trunk? With a 12? You have a video of that? I would love to see it.
@@BudgetBassHeadI think he's referring to 4 18's on 1000 watts
@@topnotchcontent 4 x 18’s in a trunk? Not going to happen!
146 out of the trunk is impressive. Im sure you could shut these guys up by building some sort of sniper box, but thats no fun to listen to
Ehh...did 147.2 on 1 Orion hcca 15 on 5.1k clamped.
Good number... But this is a 12
@@BudgetBassHead and this was on stock electrical that's over 200,000 miles. Lol. I can do 150+ all day long with the same 5k rating with the 15". Technically you should be able to get 150 db on a single 10" with that power. I know for a fact a type r 10" can reach that spl level. Of course I'm doing 150 db on a single 15 in the low 30hz range but around 50-60hz all it takes is a half descent 10" sub. Back in the day a virtual technology 10" woofer would do this easily...vt was made in Atlanta for you younger folks that don't know.
@@truthbeknown23I don’t believe you realize that you’re more worried about numbers than he is. He actually can get a higher number but he’s more worried about a flatter response so the numbers don’t matter that much to him as they’re a point of reference.
@@MannuhFestIt proof is in the numbers
Ur over thinking.... 1 can achieve higher spl especially at 51 with a pre fab box... ur doing something wrong... gl. Hope you achieve ur desired effect
maybe he would hit 150 if port was facing the trunk
Watch till the end
You will find an 8.0" that did 151db... so 146 on a 12" not impressive
Thanks for your opinion