This Heat Pump Washer/Dryer Has a GENIUS Feature!
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I recently purchased GE's Heat Pump washer/dryer combo - no vents, no gas, and no large power outlets required.Lets put this innovative One & Done system to the test. Can it simplify your laundry routine without compromising on efficiency. From its ventless design to easy plug-and-play functionality, Let's explore together and see if this all-in-one system lives up to the hype
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Chapters
0:00 - Introduction
0:41 - 1 Plug!
5:00 - Actual use
6:40 - The Science
9:45 - Results
12:18 - Cons
14:20 - Cost Analysis
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Does it come with U.V. sterilization lights ???
Oh and how long does the filters last ?
During drying, can fragrances oils automatically be added ??
Lastly 😊, can't further appliances be added to this system, let's say a refrigerator, stove , water heaters etc. Let's say with the octovalve. To further efficiently ??? 🤔
Also my boy enjoyed seeing your son helping out. Very cool.
Items you missed were: 1)Not having to use extra AC during the summer to cool your house from the heat coming from the dryer.
2) Can more easily be used off grid or with a generator during grid down situations.
3) No cleaning of vents or fire hazards associated with lint buildup in vents.
4) Front load washers generally start to stink if you’re not cleaning the waterproof seal from mold and mildew. This has not been an issue on my unit.
5) Heat pump dryers are more gentle on your clothes so they last much longer. You can tell by the amount of lint you have to clean from your filter.
Solving the stinky seal issue was something I was gonna ask Ricky about...thanks for your input!
Also, not having to heat outside air that comes in during the winter since the electric dryer blows all that hot air outside.
True, besides saving money on heating by electrical heat element you also save on heating. That is because old style dryer has to blow air outside which creates under pressure inside the house which is compensated by air from outside which needs to be heated up! Super inefficient in cold climates.
The stinky seal issue is something they had to work to address, the blue rubber that the seal is made from has an antimicrobial component to it and the fact that this unit is also a dryer means that it has less moisture sitting around inside it to deal with.
He also missed the some houses have the dryer in the Garage. With proper weatherstripping around house entry/exit door there should be minimal heat transfer. Additionally it is Cheaper to cool a home then to heat it.
I have one of these. The best thing about it is the fact that you don't have to change the laundry from the washer to the dryer. What I tend to do is load it before I go to bed with a time delay so that it starts about 3 hours before I'm supposed to wake up. Then I can just go down to the laundry room in the morning and get fresh clothes that are still warm.
Ugh, warm clothes when you get out of the shower in a properly conditioned home. YUCK!
Great to have warm fluffy, just dried clothes I guess if you live 200 years in the past in a drafty cold home in the winter.
Why not just use the 12hour wrinkle prevent feature instead of the delay.. ?
There are all in one machines that are not heat pump that would do the same thing but at high operating costs.
that will still wrinkle your clothes a bit as opposed to taking the clothes out right after its finished@@michaelgelewski4877
I've had this same GE combo for about 6 months as well. While heat pump dryers have existed for a while now, this seems to be the first to do it comparably to a normal dryer. It's also rebranded from Haier, so more than likely their new products are using the same tech. A few more things after using it for a while:
1.) I'd say it takes on average about 20% more to dry things. The clothes themselves come out dry, but they're emerging from a high humidity environment, so they "feel" damp when you remove them from the drum. Give them a shake and they magically "feel" dry. You get used it... I've found a few times where my stuff was actually damp, so I always use the more dry option as a just in case which does add maybe 20 more minutes to drying time. If you want your clothes to come out completely cool, there is a wrinkle free option you can add to loads which will tumble your clothes a few RPM for hours while everything completely cools.
2.) Stay on top of cleaning the lint. The lint collector has two sides, one is the trap you're used to, the other is a dense mesh screen that detaches and needs to rinsed under a faucet. The machine will remind you to clean them, I do it way more frequent and clean the collector after every load and the mesh screen about every 10-15 loads. Also, invest in a long stick attachment for you vacuum to clean out the trap area. I try to do this every time I clean the mesh screen.
3.) There's a screw trap behind a door panel on the bottom of the unit. Drain the small amount of water in it and clean this about ever 30 loads. It's really easy, hair likes to get trapped there.
4.) I have a king sized bed and have no issues with my comforters. They do take a long time to dry, but they also took a similarly long time to dry when I was using a gas dryer. And these not being gas and vent-less, leads to my next point.
5.) When I had a gas dryer that vented to the outside, I'd turn it off when I left my house in case it caught on fire. With this combo unit, I can leave it completely unattended and I don't think twice about it.
6.) This unit uses way less detergent than when I was adding it by hand. I've filled the reservoir maybe twice since having it. I also don't use softener (it's quite gross, look it up), instead I add laundry sanitizer to the softener reservoir. You also don't need to use dryer sheets, nothing comes out with static.
7.) The app is great and really intuitive, but when it says there's 5 minutes left, there's never 5 minutes left, just wait until it tells you it's done. Maybe that's because I always use the more dry option, but that's slightly annoying.
8.) This unit weighs 300 lbs and is taller than a normal washer/dryer, so you'll need a buddy to move it. Also, don't forget to remove the drum bolts it comes with while shipping before using.
When you say this unit is 'rebranded from Haier' what do you mean? Is this in fact a Haier product with a GE label slapped on it?
@@paulmaxwell8851 Haier is the main shareholder of GE Appliances. It's not a surprised to move your product to your subsidiary.
@@paulmaxwell8851 Many large firms will have another Co. build the unit/item with the express purpose of putting their name on it (Legally).
So you definitely recommend it?
@@paulmaxwell8851 GE sold its appliance business to Haier for $5.4 billion in 2016
Whenever a new tech comes out, I'm sure it's more efficient, more smart etc, but the question is always about reliability and longevity...
Yep , and repair costs and upkeep .👍
@@irri4662 Yes, the trouble is the trend seems that everyone is focusing on efficiency these days, and not realize they could be trading off durability and longevity. Throwing away your appliance / cars after just a few years, and getting another newer shinier model seems to be the trend these days.
Heat pump dryers are not new. You can buy them in Europe since 10years or so. Like induction stoves. Completely standard in Europe. Funny how sometimes thinks are so differently
@@steffen12 heat pumps are inherently more complex mechanisms than resistive or gas heating. It has compressor and pressurized refrigerant. More moving parts and potential for failure.
@@i6power30 true but that does not automatically answers the question of reliability and longevity, as intended with your question. If you really want to answer these questions you must compare data unbiasedly.
In my opinion it's also more about cost savings over lifetime for the owner and co2 savings for the environment. If it's just about reliability and longevity we would still drive Model T from Ford.
I’m the owner of one of these. I can talk you that it’s good, but it’s not for everyone. You have to clean the filter almost every load. Lint doesn’t stay on the filter all the time, it accumulates inside the filter housing and you need a vacuum extraction like 3 feet long to reach. It doesn’t dry well every time. I like how it washes, no complaints.
We've had ours since around June. One of the best purchases we've made. I've found using laundry bags for small items like socks, bras and lingerie and it keeps them from getting stuck to the seal.
Great idea, thanks for the tip. 🙌🏻
Great idea. This is my wife’s only gripe about ours
We bought our first AEG heat pump dryer 17 years ago for about 700 EUR (750 USD) here in the Netherlands. It is still running. Just clean the dust filters each time you use the dryer. It takes just a few seconds.
At the same time, in Europe, we hang out our laundry to dry... You know what ? It is even more energy saving than any heat pump !
Yeah, and that is in europe, this guy lives in cali. Notoriously dry and warm. Just throw it on a line. Helps with the creases too
100% you keep talking about the hot weather 0 watt lol outside. , most of the year can be put outside. Even when I had a flat apart from towels and bedding done next to a window.
I do that too, but trudging through the 2 feet of snow is a pain to take out the laundry to the clothesline and getting it hung before it freezes makes it even harder.
It's exactly what I thought, I live in north France which is colder than California, I dry my laundry outside from March to October and in the winter I hangout in house it's been 10 years since I last used my dryer. And my washing machine is connected to my hot water with a regulation so I can use warm water from my solar panel most of the year
@@tristansimonin1376Try doing that with a bunch of kids every night. Wouldn't be so easy.
I’ve also had mine for 6 months. It’s a game changer. Not having to remember to switch makes a huge difference. One thing to watch is lint buildup on the condenser coil because it can slightly bypass the lint filter, you can see it. Using a soft flexible brush to clean it is highly recommended. And I have a King Sized bed and 4 dogs…I’ve had no problems washing/drying the bedding.
Lint clogging the coils is my show stopper.
@@jedro86 I bought an inexpensive long handle dryer cleaning brush off Amazon. 1 minute with a flashlight is all it takes. Not much different than having to do dryer duct cleaning…only no fire risk with this dryer. My insurance company should give me a break!
After 40 years of family laundry I have one simple cost saving solution. In this time, I have seldom used a dryer ( less than an hour per year). My first investment was a clothes line for 90% of my drying needs the balance is internal drying (winter humidifier).
Absolutely! Glad I'm not the only one who thought the best solution to a power cut and having wet clothes in a washer, was you know, just hanging them up. :D Plus why would we tumble dry everything anyway, half the time it's not the best result for the item anyway and a nightmare for ironing if you bother with that step.
I've lived off grid for the past 35 years... sunshine and wind are free and do an excellent job of drying clothes. I don't own a dryer. I live in the tropics and our house functions on a daily use of between 3.5 to 5 kWh per day.
Exactly. Drying clothes naturally is free. Anything that doesn't fully dry can get a bit of a tumble dry
I came here to say this. It's crazy to me to spend more than $3K for a machine that takes two hours to dry a towel and in the words of the kid in the video is "massive". Not everyone has the setup for a clothesline, but almost every suburban and rural single-family home has that option. It takes a little bit longer than just throwing clothes in a dryer, but the difference is only a few minutes, Clotheslines were the norm until the middle of the 20th century and they can still be a great option for a lot of people but they might get overlooked by people who think they need a dryer.
I would like the option to do both. A wash cycle with no drying so I can hang clothes when the weather outside is right. If not I want the machine to do it all. I’ll be checking the manual on this type of machine when next air need to replace what I have.
lol, mega flex. "its 100 feet from the middle of the house to the outside part of the vent"
As he stands next to a door…
Ricky, if you had a 5.8 capacity washer, that determines load size. Now you have a 4.8 capacity unit - 17% reduction. Not a deal breaker and in fact think about all of those times you run a short or undersized load. I’m impressed with this unit. Looking forward to your upgrades to the water and space heating equipment.
Exactly. Size of the dryer is irrelevant as it had to go through the size of the washer first.
Couple of things missed, were the liquid detergent/softener dispensers only need filled after about 20 loads, as it automatically dispenses. The unit can be used as either or. We wash and line dry and then throw clothes in the dryer after they are 90% dry, so the dryer only heats for at the most 10 minutes and airdries and fluffs the clothes to remove any wrinkles and lint. This unit opens up so many possibilities, for instance using it in other places like a walk in closet, garage, guest quarters, or even in a kitchen area. I've seen larger homes that have these in each walk in closet of every bedroom suite. Amazing.
Great video, thanks for the insight. Was previously unaware of this style of product.
One thing to point out though, the 6.75 kwh consumption figure to run a normal 240v dryer is inaccurate in my experience. While the unit may pull 4.5 kw and take 1.5 hours, this does not mean it uses 4.5 kw continuously. The heat element modulates power usage during the cycle, similar to an electric cooktop to maintain a constant temp in the dryer. My emporia energy monitor tells me my standard 240v dryer uses an average of 3.75 kwh for a normal load. This is a substantial delta and inflates the annual cost to operate when compared to my dryers consumption.
This is a bottom of the barrel, cheapest home depot Amana dryer from 2016 with no bells or whistles. Rating is an annual kwh usage of 640 kwh, so it is definitely in line with the market average. Just thought I'd point that out.
Keep up the great work, I'm loving channel!
Exactly! I have a 7 year old LG dryer and I see typical consumption of 2kWh for each hour of runtime... and most of my dryer loads (and I fill the darn thing up 🙂) typically run around 40-60 minutes.
I believe the electric dryer energy consumption per load was grossly overestimated, probably by a factor of 3x or maybe even 4x (based on my experience).
Loved the video overall and I do want the heat-pump based dryer myself. I will definitely get one once my current unit dies... probably the LG's WashTower with heat-pump dryer component.
One thing that is difficult to consider in your cost comparison is the conditioned air loss caused by traditional dryers in most homes where washers and dryers are installed in conditioned space.
The gas dryer may be the cheapest to operate, depending on your region's prices, but if installed in a conditioned space it consumes cool air in summer and warm air in winter, just like other gas appliances like water heaters and furnaces. To make a reasonable estimate we would need to know how much air a dryer consumes per cycle and then calculate that as an extra envelope leakage loss.
In fact, most gas furnaces today do *not* consume indoor air even when installed indoors as they typically have a dedicated pipe for make-up air and a sealed combustion chamber. Most gas water heaters remain quite primitive and the one to the left of the washer/dryer in this video is of the old type, though it does reside in the garage where it doesn't consume indoor air.
I hate gas storage water heaters as they *continuously* lose heat up the flue, even when the burner is off. Very few people use them where I live, but our electricity prices are *much* lower than in some regions and this has allowed electric dryers and water heaters to become rather ubiquitous. I would say that there has been a major shift here over the past 40-50 years from gas to electric appliances and most recent housing developments don't even have gas lines installed, much to the the chagrin of the gas companies ;).
Never occurred to about the flue loosing heat. It can not be insulated. One more reason to install the heat pump water heater. 👍
I had a similar problem when I bought my Southern California duplex nearly 40 years ago, but the apartment did come with a gas line for the laundry pair. Two decades ago, when the gas dryer tried to burn my place down, this sort of combo washer dryer was only available in European sized units and only overseas. I still had a serviceable washer and so I decided to convert my gas dryer to an electric one, but with no 240VAC outlet I faced your problem. However I did realize that a dehumidifier could solve part of my problem.
Since the dryer was already atop a table I had bought to raise the dryer I had, the top half of a stacked combo at a discount, There was room for a dehumidifier below it. I removed all the gas flame equipment, and vented into a plenum box I built to adapt to the input of the dehumidifier. I used a similar arrangement to duct its output back up to the dryer's air input along the base at the front. While I could have wired to the timer on the old gas dryer panel, it could not do 2 hours worth, so I used an external timer and plugged both units into it.
Slow it is, but it works very well and consumes only 550W total. Obviously GE built yours for the U.S. market despite its smaller size. With my setup and its larger drum, I can often combine two washer loads into it and save some time. Drying is quite warm and gentle, compared to the very hot, but fast gas dryer it used to be. No dryer sheets needed, though my partner insists on using them when she does the wash:) I haven't had to use my ironing board for a long time.
I have had mine since September too. Went looking for a new drier and saw some heat pump ones but too small. Found this. Not going back to separate units. No more forgotten wet clothes! Let me add, you should try setting up a load to finish just after you wake up. Particularly active wear. Running ecomode with a ten pound load my room temp goes up about 2 degrees above the peak for the baseboards in my utility room. In the future with that mode in the colder half of the year I can open the door to add heat to the hall. No more venturi effect in the basement. One downside; it is heavy!! I don't use the stand because of cabinets. This is also slightly bigger than most in depth and width along with being taller. So get the measurement to see how it fills your space. I use the dispensers. I now think I have over used softeners my whole life.
It completely cleaned and dried a regular set of sheets, pillow cases along with a thick blanket at the same time and all came out dry using bedding mode. But my King size blanket alone has to be turned inside out about a half hour before cycle ends, all by itself. Most cycles need you to do the snap before judging whether something is dry or not. There was one guy who like you has 2 kids and very active. Theirs runs 24/7. But he thought he would buy another before he would have separates. Just the added load times had him. Easter or Presidents day sales probably next best bets on sales. Black Friday was killer good. Do check out local GE dealers as they may have something competitive with the big boxers and maybe better service? If you do not like the deal wait for Mothers day or Memorial day. They change it up.
Used a little haier for years since 2006 as a primary and secondary washer that was washer/dryer in one unit. This unit did not have a heat pump, but it worked great and was awesome that it would wash and then dry. Tha capacity was small, but we just ran it more often. Excited for this new tech, will help offset the extra energy of an EV.
Moved to Sicily a couple of years ago, and had no space for a dryer, so we got one of these combo units. Has a bit of a learning curve, but way cheaper to run. Yours is somewhat nicer (a bit bigger, and more controls) but I was amazed at how much less expensive these are here, compared to back in the US. Even with the much higher VAT (value added tax, like sales tax but hidden in the price) ours was about one third the price. Same thing with induction cooktops. Insanely expensive in the US, comparatively cheap here.
The US is incredibly behind on technology, even stuff like contactless payment from err.. Visa and Mastercard. But being on 120 volt condemns your country (Japan is as well) to the doldrums of expensive tech for no reason. It makes electronics of all kinds more expensive because manufacturers have to ship different goods. The only real reason to use 120v is stuff like toothbrushes and shavers in bathrooms (which we use in the UK to prevent people plugging in fan heaters and electrocuting themselves in the bath through sheer stupidity). So yeah, washing machines are made for far more people on 230v than not.
For HVAC, today’s heat pumps last 10-15 y whereas a gas furnace goes longer at 15-20. I’ve made that move and did so knowing it might not have a payback, but hoped to lesson my carbon footprint. Sounds like same for this system.
From an environmental standpoint it’s a good move, for apartment dwellers a great option, and certainly worth trading in your electric appliance; all of which you mentioned.
Thanks Ricky, great stuff.
Great video! I’m in Ohio and we have an elec dryer. But since it is elec we have a plastic unit that allows us to put the air back into the house or out the vent. In winter we allow the 1st part of the dry cycle to go out just cause of how much moisture is in the air - but then switch to venting in the house (in our mud room) so in cold winters it adds nice semi moist air into a dry house. Other thing is we put in a solar system last year - and we do time of use so when the sun is shining - that’s when laundry is done - so at least we are self consuming the power since it does use a lot. I would love to go heat pump dryer some day but our dryer is only 3 yrs old so plan on just sticking with time of use with solar power.
Living in an apartment with a back patio, no laundry hookups. I tapped into the bathtub drain through an access, converted my gas dryer to run propane and just use cold water with the water spigot outside. Setup works great.
I have this unit too and it’s a beast. I live in the Caribbean and did not have a vent to the outside (everything is concrete here). The other benefit is that if the power goes out I can use a smaller generator.
Washing bags for fine clothes are essential to solve the mysteries of vanishing socks ;)
Great video!
I’ve had a whirlpool heat pump dryer for over 7 years and I really like it. It always bothered me to waste all that hot air. The only downside is you need 1/2 wash load for full dryer load. The dryer takes longer to dry but is gentler on your clothes. Great communication enjoy your vids. Cheers
Hey two bit, fantastic analysis! I love your pragmatic engineering analysis breakdown of all your topics including these energy/utility savings ones like this is great. Keep it up. Thanks
I got one these about a month ago. So far I love it. I can start a load before going to bed and wake up with a dry load of laundry. I do have some items where I need a little more dry time and for those loads I just add extra dry time (about 15 minutes).
Great overview! And funny timing, GE was showing this unit off at CES last week and I was impressed talking with one of the engineers. It got me eager to see if this might be good for our family.
I love those CES walkthroughs... added you to tv playlist, subscribed. Cheers.
Fyi this inst the only model out there. They're called washer dryer heat pump combo units. And you can find other brands for way less
@@The0Adventthe GE Profile Combo is actually a Haier unit rebranded
@@kenmcclow8963The GE factory in China was later owned by Haier.
I've had one for about 6 months and love it. I'd say it takes about 20% longer on average to dry vs a regular dryer, but the convenience of not having to do a switchover more than makes up for that.
I got one of these a couple weeks ago and like it so far. The thing that pushed me over the edge was the repairability of the unit as demonstrated by the CZcams channel "Bens Appliances and Junk.". He's got some decent videos discussing this product.
After spending a day researching a heat pump dryer via CZcams videos, Finally, a quantitative analysis using the kill-a-watt meter ! I have metered my gas dryer, and it’s about 1/2 therm, but that’s depending on the fabric being dried. Thanks for being science based. Now I know the approximate electric that will be used to dry clothing…. But alas, there is always the option of a SOLAR dryer, it’s called a cloths line ! And it’s free !
Thank you for your video
We have a LG washer/dryer single unit similar to yours. We got it in 2016 and it is wonderful! We also use cold water washes. It is Great and uses very little electricity. We also got a AOSmith heat pump hot water heater, so the hot water is also pretty efficient, we got it 2 years ago and it was replaced under warranty due to a coolant leak that caused it to use lots of electricity. We noticed it due to our watching our energy usage using Emporia to monitor power use! The emporia paid for itself by finding both the Hot Water Heater problem and a few other inificencies. I know your SPAN can help do that too. Love your content.
The load size is pretty small but for the 2 of us, it works just great. We do 2 loads a week. Nodry (delicate) takes about 25 minutes and we hang that in the bathroom, and the Dry cycle (think jeans, T-shirts) of heavy things it takes about 1.5hrs.
Great analysis of the pros and cons. We've had ours for less than 2 months now, but really like them. I was glad to see a recent/updated video on it. Thank you!
I got mine at Black Friday from Lowe’s for about $1800ish. It was just over $2000 with tax. And taking away the old dryer.
I really like it. I’m single so I only do one or two loads a week, but I have had an issue with my previous front loading washer where if the door was not left open it would get moldy. If clothes were forgotten in there they would have to be washed again
The Profile Combo will remind me to clean out the lint trap which is very large and can probably go 4-5 cycles before the lint and dog hair clogs it. I also like that it holds a large amount of liquid soap and dispenses it automatically. It asks for fabric softener which I never use but it works fine without it. After I use up all my liquid soap I have laundry strips which will probably work fine.
It says in the instructions not to use it below 60 degrees which is normally not an issue, but it’s next to the dog door and in the recent cold weather it got below that, so it’s never a problem for me to delay doing laundry for a day or two
I’ve washed my queen sized comforter and it washed it ok, but I had to run it through the dry cycle twice because there were still damp spots on the inner parts that weren’t near the drum or air.
You forgot to take into account the extra heating in the house for the exhausted air for the gas and electric dryers that exhaust to outside the house.
Also, and this is part of the efficiency of the heat pump model, the process of condensing watervapor releases heat, that heat is then recycled by the heat pump to heat the dry air.
In the Netherlands, natural gas dryers have never been popular or even available (as far as I know). I have been using electric dryers for 15 years and switched to a heat pump model 2 or 3 years ago. We have a separate washer (8 kg capacity) and our dryer can take that full load, for clothes the drying takes about 1 1/4 hr, towels take a bit longer. This dryer cost us about 750 Euro and has the second best efficiency rating. I still need to get a Kill-a-watt meter to check electricity use, but our electricity bill has gone down when we got this model.
There’s also additional heating of the home that would be needed in the winter if using a heat pump dryer. But this might be offset because there’s no pulling of cooler air from outside to allow a traditional dryer to pump air outside
Disappointing in that this video was meant to cover an ROI. Only did the basic obvious things. Of course calculating extra conditioning cost in winter and summer is key. But depending on household venting, allergens from outside and from in walls (mouse droppings etc.) from air being pulled through walls, cracks etc.
And you can achieve this with just a washer with high speed spin and no dryer and no outside line for cheaper capital and maybe running costs. I've seen it done in London, UK.
This was epic! I can't believe you have so cheap gas that it still beats heat pump. What might be missing - in Europe you need to have yearly checks of gas systems (furnace, vents, etc.) That adds up quickly. That revision is mandatory by fire code and insurance. Probably not a thing in US? But still, this video was great, reminds me the one with water leak while installing water meter.
We decided for 2 machine solution and drying room is better for us, but the rest is spot-on. And I have 3 girls, you have no idea how many times PER DAY can 7-year old change whole outfits :)
In some places, gas is even cheaper! Here in Dallas, it's at a new record high: $1.43/therm.
Thanks for the practical "in house use" experience video on the GE heat pump washer/dryer. Am planning on replacing my washer and dryer later this year and this model has been at the top of the list. Listening to your experience with the unit has reinforced my thoughts in favor of it. Although, as you said, due to cycle time and capacity it may not be the best choice for all households. LG has recently come out with a similar "all in one" unit, along with Miele and others. Hopefully, with more competition the prices will come down over time.
Finally a video about a heat pump washer/dryer with DATA!
The big downside for us would be the very long cycle times. For your family (and many others) throwing the clothes in at night works, but we do a lot of laundry (like beach towels) and worse (or better depending on your point of view) - every couple of weeks someone comes in to help clean (no we aren't rich) and she can do four loads in the time that machine does one. It would essentially waste her time.
I love the heat pump technology, but I'd probably go with separates with the dryer having the heat pump. One of the companies (LG or Samsung maybe) also has 110 for their separates.
Anyway, thanks for running the Kill-a-Watt to get real numbers.
I've been curious about these. When I lived in the UK, I had a combined washer/dryer. It was super convenient to start a load before heading to work, and coming back after work to clean, dry clothes.
Thanks for the complete and thoughtful review. I was looking to replace a front loading washer and had considered the heat pump combo. Understanding its strengths and constraints was very useful in driving my selection.
Thanks for this one....your thorough walk through has made me a little more interested in getting one next time I replace!
Great device, the ventless heatpump washer/dryer. Our State is starting to mandate using these devices to meet our energy code. I hate it being legislated as it is so new. So it was great to hear your experience and Matt's. Take a look at your infrared image and you can see your old gas water heater is leaking heat. This is where another device, similar to your dryer, is the Heat Pump water heater. You should swap yours out and let us know how it works for you.
Only draw back is the louder sound of the built in heat pumps, but worth it if its in your garage. Getting popular with mult-family buildings, which is why they are priced so high.
WOW! Thank you so much. Would never have known about this.
Very clear, helpful presentation.
You can use long vents for driers, but you need a booster fan. Short ducts are preferred
You are describing an old tech called a Condenser Dryer, we have had one for years, they are great, and work really well. The only real issue is making sure to clean the filter regularly (otherwise they can cause fires). Our Condenser Dryer uses around 1kw power during use, but does not use a heat pump (I am sure it would be even cheaper to run with one though). We also use a separate washer, it pulls hot water from the hot water tank to avoid needing to heat the water much as well. We have tried combo machines in the past, and they are always less efficient and less reliable than two stand alone machines, but if space is an issue, something like this would be far more useful for sure.
Be wary of getting some paper mixed up with cloth. Don't ask what could happen🤔. You also need to ensure there is enough lint filtering, it will gumup over time on the evaporator coils(will find out after 2 yrs. ownership). If you take care of the above, it should last as long as your fridge(compressor).❤👍
Thank you so much for this detailed content!! I been eyeing this for the last 6 months and was curious about the exact eletric usage. I just had solar and batteries installed to my home so I'm highly interested in replacing my very old washer and dryer. Luckily for me, this purchase is something my wife wouldn't object to 😂
I have this, its pretty cool. However, if you like your clothes warm or hot coming out of the dryer its takes 3.5-4hrs for a full cycle, or closer to 5 hrs for a comforter. I would say this is good for small families 2-3 people. Any more it might struggle keeping up.
Thanks, Ricky! I was looking at one at Home Depot the other day , wondering how it worked. Thanks for the review.
Ricky: This was very good coverage. But, for some reason, I am annoyed by referring to a standard a/c outlet as "110 volts." We dispensed with those in the late 1960s! The standard is 120 volts. It is probably a little bit more in practice, but the electric utility can adjust the voltage per a "group" residential connections on request (usually 3-6 houses per transformer). Note that the voltage of the two phases of the system will be half of the full voltage, so 120 / 240. Or you might request 125 / 250 volts.
I’ve got one. Been using it for 2 months now and I LOVE IT!
I got one few months back and it’s been awesome. We always left clothes in the wash to move them to the dryer but now everything comes out dry in one shot.
Good video, glad you of all people put this one out. We've been having vent issues since we moved into our home. The builder put the vent too close to the floor and refused to fix the issue or admit his mistake. We can never get a proper connection, it's been driving me insane. Then I started reading about vent less driers but this goes one step further, a vent less washer / dryer combo. It's worth the price just to get rid of the vent and ducting headaches.
Excellent product. Uses less power. Doesn't pump hot air out of the house. Frees up a slot in the circuit breaker. Frees up space in the laundry room. We sold the old 20 year old washer/dryer for $300 and got a $200 rebate buying this. Payback period should be a couple of years. You do have to becareful to remove all the lint out of the filter so it doesn't get gunked up.
You have to ask the question of long term longevity. If this thing breaks down, how much does it cost to repair? Is it reliable? I know for a fact that the newer washers and dryers with all the newer electronics break down often, and the electronics boards and parts are very expensive. That's why I have a simple washer and dryer. Most of the time I can repair it by myself by watching a few CZcams videos.
Like a Tesla it saves you a lot of money in fuel, but when it comes time ro repair, hardly anyone works on a Tesla and the parts and repairs are astronomically high.
Just switched to heat pump ac window unit 450 stoped all gas usage this year in propane more generator.
It used 1280 watts works perfectly all season flawlessly and 50% more cooling in btu for the same 575 wattage so
Thank you I was looking for a new washer dryer
Amen thank you god !
Now to earn that $
Buy some of my books everyone lol
Thanks best video yet
This will help reduce so much energy like my window Lg heat pump
Perfect!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and videos. I’ve been following this technology for several years. Was impressed when GE came out with this model. I pretty much came to the same conclusions you did. The only real problems with this is like you said the low capacity and the other that I concluded, it’s so different from our existing versions that people are hesitant to pay more for a machine that superficially does less work. Videos like this that get the information out there concerning the potential savings should help since if more people are drawn to the design more manufacturers will be drawn to make them increasing market competition and innovation hopefully bringing the prices down and eventually solving the last problem of lower drying capacity. I seem to remember a model available at home depot that had about half the drying capacity as washing and was pondering the next time I need to buy a set buying the combo and an electric dryer. The thought process being if you forget to transfer the laundry most drying will be done while your forgetting to transfer the load more efficiently and on the rare occasions when the washer was capable to wash a blanket or such you fall back to the less efficient electric dryer without the increased investment of a gas dryer. That being said I do like the two combos side by side option but it’s a more costly investment than a combo and electric dryer and your still stuck taking your blankets to the laundromat. Wishing you, your crew and family the best.
Great video, love the idea of one machine to do the
Entire laundry cycle. Hate forgetting clothes in the washer and having to rewash due to mildew. As soon as my current set kicks I’ll be looking to upgrade, so 5-10 years.
I've had a miele washer and heat pump dryer for 2 years now and while I mostly like it, had this been available then I would have strongly considered it for the space savings and not needing to switch from washer to dryer. The energy savings isn't as substantial for me since electricity is 8 cents per kwh flat rate or 5 cents overnight if doing time of use, but I like not having to use a dryer vent even though we have one, and I like that I could run everything on a fairly small inverter generator if needed. This seems especially good for helping people transition from gas appliances, just like the new 120v heat pump water heaters.
I bought a Whirlpool heat pump dryer about a year and a half ago. I just checked my energy monitor for the whole year of 2023 and for a family of 4 adults the dryer only used 508/KWh. I was pretty happy about that!
Having a water drain outlet like a traditional washing machine is a good idea. Conventional drier unit here at wife's joint just has a water tank you have to empty out after each cycle. Still beats having to vent unit.
Guessing would have to have refrigerant side attended to after X years.
Looking at the fancy display, there is prob some kind of delay timer. Use this function here on front loader all of the time, so when I get home unit finishes up soon after. So no funny smelling clothes. Same deal if wish to wake up in morn n empty.
For those in units an all in one would seriously be a help.
If you have a standard electric dryer, during cold winter months, you should just vent the hot moist air into the house (through a filter to catch the dust) since that won't waste the heat and you need more humidity indoors when houses are dry. And, during summer months, it would be best if the dryer could pull in warm, dry outdoor air and exhaust the warm moist air back outside to minimize the air conditioner loading. I've never understood why no one has ever made an electric dryer that lets you control both the intake and exhaust air vents. The same goes for refrigerators since it would make sense to pull in cold outdoor air in winter rather than refrigerating warm indoor air.
Thanks for outlining this solution, Ricky! My goal over time is to eliminate the use of natural gas in my home. I'm looking into Miele after your mention and will continue to explore GE and other heat pump options. To work toward my goal of eliminating natural gas, I installed a electric Rheem heat pump water heater and it performs like a champ. Coupled with my Tesla solar roof, the heat pump hot water heater also cools and dehydrates my garage here in San Diego, California (we're practically neighbors!). Next, I'm looking at our gas furnace and gas clothes dryer and this video helps direct my next steps.
Thanks for the description of how these work. We have an air source heat pump for HVAC, so I'm familiar with heat pumps, but i hadn't gone through the mental gymnastics to figure out how it would be used to dry clothes without a vent.
It's like a dehumidifier. Air flow hits the cold evaporator, water condesnses on that and drips off, then air hits the hot condensor, that warm dry air goes through the clothes . . . repeat! 😊 The air flow is a closed loop, keeps getting cycled continuously 'til the load is dry.
I live in Texas and have a clothes dryer in my garage that will use 0.00 kW hour per load. I paid only about $20 for it. Its called a clothesline.
Let me try that during winter in the north. I love Popsicles lol
@@TheLobo91 The air is even drier in the cold months. The clothes dry even faster. They do not freeze because the temp always says above freezing in the garage.
@@wernernagy wish that was the case here in the north east. My garage must be leaky. The combo does work really well though.
@@wernernagybut your clothes come out rough to the touch
@@jmatt98 It's the sacrifice I make to be green.
We got our GE all in one combo a little over a month ago. We are loving it. One of the best things we have ever gotten.
Man; that is so cool. I always learn something new watching your vids. Keep up the great work. Thank you for ur channel 🎉🎉
i am always looking for energy saving ideas...I like this set up and I like the heat pump idea to replace my furnace/ac in a few yrs ....thanks
In summary, I absolutely love this washing machine and would consider purchasing it again. However, I strongly advise against buying the riser stand. I've been using this particular model for approximately six months, having replaced a washer dryer single unit. The auto-sensing feature for detergent and fabric softener is exceptional, and while I've encountered minimal issues with items occasionally getting stuck, it's a rare occurrence.
One of the standout features for me is the convenience of simply putting in the clothes and pressing the Go/Play button, making it the best laundry experience I've ever had. Nevertheless, I want to caution others about the stand. I opted for it to facilitate easier loading and unloading (being a 6'3" person), but regret that choice. The spin cycle tends to shake the machine, and the stand significantly amplifies this shaking. It's worth noting that the entire house shakes during the spin cycle, which might not be an issue with a concrete floor.
I would save the water condensed from the dryer to water plants, as it is essentially distilled and wouldn't leave hard water salts in the plants' soil. What would happen if you dried clothes by putting them under a vacuum to evaporate the moisture in the dryer? There are even scroll pumps specifically for removing moisture from vacuum chambers.
I’m surprised by how different the appliances are in the US compared to the EU. I had hoped it was only in the past when I was in Florida in 2012 and saw a washing machine that looked like a concrete mixer. But you just shocked me with the information that you have dryers powered by electricity and gas 😲 Now I understand why you are so excited about this 😉 Nice video as usual! 👍
Not sure of your location but if your washers & dryers are not powered by electricity or gas what are they powered by?
Only by electricity of course.
Thank you for your video. Just for comparison I would like to share my cost of drying so that you have an accurate set of numbers. I also have a large family and in the last 90 days we ran 122 loads in our washer (133 in the dryer but I don’t want to include partial or someone trying to just remove wrinkles). I have an emporia monitor that measures my electric consumption. My total cost of my power is $.163 per kWh. My electricity cost of my dryer for 122 loads is $48 over 90 days or about $.40 per load. Using your results shows that I would save $.24 per load or using your average of 300 loads a year a yearly savings of $72. It would take a while to get an ROI on the Heat pump dryer although I am impressed with the technology and will consider one when my dryer eventually fails. I do have a heat pump hot water tank that has been wonderful although it too takes a while to get an ROI.
Thanks again for your video and I look forward to watching this technology mature.
Good video & very informative. I saw one of those & it’s a good alternative to separate units . You brought up good points I’ve considered getting one ! I’m waiting until my current one to give up
Having wash go unattended and souring afterwards can be mitigated by using a quarter cup of white vinegar in the rinse. This alters the pH such that bacteria and mildew are eliminated. Your clothes will remain fresh. It will also prevent the problem of body odor immediately recurring on gym clothes when exposed to body heat and moisture. If you can smell the vinegar, you’re using too much.
Excellent explanation! I've seen some of the data on how efficient these heat pump dryer are do I was interested in getting one of these, but after your explanation of how the dehumidifier works without creating a low pressure zone inside my home bumped me over the top. I'm definitely getting one now!
The Miele is 20+ amp appliance. It requires 2 110V outlets on separate circuits, which can limit appliance location.
I got one of these last month and I love it.... and that was before you suggested it will pay for itself in 4 years over my old 240v pair!
You should try putting your smaller items that need washing into a mesh bag, that might help them from getting stuck in that door seal.
I’m gonna get me of these for the mechanical room in my basement, which would only have room for one machine and this machine is it thank you for such an in-depth review this is awesome!
Great video. Enjoyed it. I purchased the GE Profile two days ago. Gets delivered this weekend. My laundry space is limited so getting rid of the dryer opens up space.
Honestly loved this. 🎉
In the pro sustainable energy youtube community i always see a bias and they try to brush the cons under the rug. Pros and cons exist in everything. This gives me more trust in your channel and i even so id still choose the heat pump washer/dryer. Thank you 🫡
Wow, I do only about 35 loads a year of laundry, I think I’ll keep my electric washer and dryer! But again I live alone.
In the UK we have had a washer dryer for the last 30 years. Never needed any special changes, just plug it in and use it! I think that the ASHP version will be worth changing to in the future to save energy.
Wait a minute, a utility sink with working running water with a socket and two pin plug, Genius! can't wait for my wife to do the dishes 😆
Like you, It often takes me all day to do 2 loads because I get distracted and forget to change-out the laundry. In my case, the washer is wearing out (door gasket, "shock absorbers", pins holding the front on - because of the dead shocks) and the dryer is electric. Plus, I'll be able to repurpose the 240 breaker's slot.
Beware of many apartments or condos with Bosch washer/dryer units. They install these to avoid a dryer vent. They not only have very small capacity, but dry time is over 2 hours.
When buying a condo, I researched models and discovered a high capacity, stackable Whirlpool washer/dryer. Dry time is significantly better, provided you frequently clean both lint filters.
I have two of these.
One in the old laundry room and 1 in the remodel master closet.
The lg wash towers also a heat pump unit
Ricky,
Outstanding report & description of operation & especially how it removes the humidity!
Hey, nice base to raise it up, it doesn't look GE though...?
I'm so pleased they are getting larger, which makes it work for us too. I/we never remember to move the loads to the dryer. lol
Cheers, Eric
That last comment about set it and go to bed sold me. I spend one of my precious weekend days doing all the laundry while electricity is cheap and cringe everytime a load is run during peak hours. Being able to run a load every night while i sleep sounds great.
Yes, it absolutely is. I just wish people would stop making mountains out of anthills, and pointing to them as “examples” of “this’ll never work for me” isms.
We have the LG 4.5 Cu Ft washer/dryer combo unit and like it. It has a long cycle but clothes come out clean and dry. There is a lot of lint build up around the door seal that needs to be wiped off after each use.
Great breakdown
One potential environmental hazard is more lent (often synthetic) is going to go into the water way with this system … separate driers capture a ton of lent and then manually gets tossed in the garbage. I imagine a lot more lent would get capture and escape into the drain water with this system. Manufacturers should exit water filters too to prevent this
great info, I love that, good stuff. and with your solar its awesome
Your numbers for drying were likely skewed by the problem with your vent not allowing the moist air to leave. The previous owner's dryer likely "burned out"
due to overtemp for the same reason. Loads in an 8 cu ft dryer from an 4.8 cu ft HE front loader that spins at high RPM should dry in well under 1 hour and additionally the heating coil would be cycling on and off. Annual expense is likely half of what you calculated.
I feel like the pros and cons to it are a bit more nuanced. For example, it might not be worth getting if you have a very cold basement (mine gets to about 40F for example). It might work very well for households of fewer than 4 people, especially since such households tend to be rather small where there might not be space for a second machine. If you live alone, it's a great option since letting a washer sit unused for too long promotes mold growth. As others have pointed out, it can act as a source of cooling during the summer.
But, if you have a small warm house, the one thing that would turn me off from getting it is reliability. While this is a really cool machine, I imagine it isn't built to last, and it WILL be expensive to repair.
I'm really impressed with these machines and I think we might consider buying one sooner or later. The early machines, mostly out of China, were terrible things. But the industry has come a long way, and I think heat pump all-in-one machines will eventually become the standard in modern homes. Very good video!
I’m glad I watched this video. I’ve got a load in my washer from yesterday that I forgot about!🙂
Great video as always!!
As an HVAC and refrigeration manufacturers technical representative, I think that there will be increased maintenance with that washer drier. As the condenser and evaporator gets dirty, the efficiency drops significantly. That filter you showed keeps the big stuff out. Tightly finned coils are the thing for higher efficiency, so they can’t handle dust as they used to. If there. is refrigerant leaks, it may not be noticed until well after the performance drop .is noticed, unless there is discharge gas monitoring. That brings up electronics. My conclusion is that even with a COP of 4.5, electric drying may be cheaper, all thing considered.
Really depends on your energy prices. He already paid for solar. He made his energy cost 0 by buying that thing.
There are ways to make that thing last 30 years. It's just that they probably didn't make it that way.
I live off grid and have a regular electric dryer, wife does laundry everyday sometimes 2 times a day
This would be really nice for us.
Especially since i built a tight home and the makeup air could be reduced substantially and we could have more space in the laundry room.
Cool appliance.. i thought you were going to say that it no longer heats your house in the summer and cools your house in the winter like heat pumps do.. yes a regular dryer heats the house in the summer so even there, BUT the heat pump dryer also cools the house in the winter which makes the heating costs go up. I’d suppose this makes the power usage of the heat pump similar to a traditional dryer do to the extra heating of the home that would be needed in the winter due to using the heat pump dryer.
Also by code the dryer outlet has to be 4 prong not 3..
EDIT.. as you said traditional dryer pulls cooler air from outside the home so the dryer can pump out the moist air. This might cool the home more than the cold released by the heat pump in the winter