[MSFS] Boeing 787-10 Approach, ILS & Landing Tutorial｜Drawyah
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
- In this video we take a closer look at the latter stages of flight as I teach you how to land the Boeing 787-10 Dreamliner in Microsoft Flight Simulator. We cover the top of descent without using VNAV, FMS setup, managing your speed and touching down the aircraft in the correct location.
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The Hardware:
- Windows 10 Professional
- 6th Generation Intel® Core™ i7 6700 Processor
- 16 GB RAM
- NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1660
0:00 - Introduction
0:49 - Familiarisation
2:25 - FMS Setup
4:38 - Autopilot Setup
6:52 - Descent
9:19 - Autopilot Adjustment
11:16 - Descent
11:37 - Below 10,000
15:05 - Altimeter
15:35 - Localiser
16:20 - Approach Mode
18:00 - Gear Down & Short Final
19:52 - Autopilot Disengage
20:58 - Touchdown
21:28 - Exit Runway & Cleanup
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Hi Drawyah, thanks for the awesome tutorial. There are some things that I learned flying the 787, and your feedback on some of this is appreciated:
1. I find setting the IFR flight plan from the world map is easier to find the active runway for both departure and arrival. So I usually set my arrival pattern and the ILS approach depending on the active runway. Once it's loaded in, the FMC should have all the necessary waypoints to do the approach. But I do understand that in the real world, the ATC would only give you the approach pattern when you're starting the descent and not during departure. So your tutorial to enter them to the FMC is something new that I learned from you. Thanks.
2. I find the VNAV to be inaccurate, and my descent altitude is largely depending on the ATC. Whichever altitude they assign me, that's where I set my altitude hold and V/S mode.
3. When you're about to line up for the localiser, you can push the APP button practically anytime as you begin your approach. So even if you're currently still on LNAV with V/S or ALT mode, LOC and G/S mode will be armed as white text below each of those roll and pitch modes in the PFD. So you don't need to wait until the localiser and glide slope to line up to push the LOC or APP. Pushing the APP button once will arm those modes on stand-by and will automatically activate both LOC and G/S mode whever the aircraft intercepts the localiser and the glideslope.
4. My final approach speed is usually within those zones with the yellow/brown line right above the stall zone. It automatically adjust the airspeed zone depending on the weather and your current payload. So I keep them on those zones, and I'll be in for a smooth landing.
5. Am I the only one who uses the HUD at all times? I find using the HUD is easier on landing because I can zoom in a little to keep and eye on the runway, while having the PFD being mirrored on the HUD so I can look at both the runway and keeping my airspeed in the right zone as I land.
6. When cleared to land, the aircraft will have Rollout mode and Flare mode armed under the LOC and G/S respectively, so I tend to keep my A/P on and let the aircraft flare itself on touchdown. The only thing I turn off is the A/T to keep my airspeed within the yellow/brown zone.
First reply
I am so glad you mentioned the plane auto flares. I struggle with that bad. Gunna try this aircraft tonight.
@@nickmajurovski2516 It auto-flares but not consistently.. depending on the airport and the weather conditions. So don't rely on that too much. Especially since the latest patch.
Instead do an assisted flare, where you're still on autopilot landing, but you move the stick just a little to assist the aircraft to flare, but not too much that it disengages the AP.
Excellent videos. You have really helped make my introduction into flight sims be a fun and productive one. Infinite thanks to you!
Glad these helped, many happy virtual flights your way! 🙌
Thanks for the great video. Thanks to you my first airliner landing in 7 years was very smooth and a success! Thanks also to several commenters.
Thrilled to hear that it all worked out for you!
Thanks! brilliant tutorial, I have tried several landings with this plane using my previous knowledge of other FS and I failed, your procedure works!
Thrilled to hear that this works for you, happy virtual flying! 🙌
Fantastic tutorial. Thanks for the content Drawyah!
Watched the video yesterday, made my first flight and landing in an airliner today (LGAV-LIRF). Not a huge flight but for a big newbie like me it was awesome. Downloaded MFS 4 days ago and no prior experience with any sim, but I have read A LOT about airplanes in my life. Thank you thank you thank you!
Thrilled to hear that this helped you out, I wish you many happy virtual hours! 🙌
Great tutorial, I'm just getting into MSFS2020 and this was very helpful, the Dreamliner is fantastic!!
Thank you my man. Has improved my landing ten fold in this.
Brilliant, just what I needed. Thank you.
Pretty awesome, thanks for this !
Thanks for this drawyah
Been waiting for this since you mentioned it in yesterday's Stream... Don't have MFS2020 but soon will get it and fly...Thanks Drawyah
Hi Drawyah. Thank you for the video. Although, I didn't understand a word you said; but I managed to land the B787 successfully by following you points & clicks. Much appreciated :)
Thank you for easy to understand tutorial
Thank you for this, great tutorial. Much appreciated.
I'm glad that you found it helpful!
I watched this while 300nm out from Iceland on my way over from JFK. Thanks for the tutorial!
Great tutorial, very well explained. Thnx.
Brilliant, thanks!
I’ve been trying to land a 787 using autopilot for three days now. I got it all figured out on my own except I couldn’t figure out how to catch the glide slope. Time after time I would be perfectly lined up with localizer A/P taking me right down the runway, only to fly right over it at a constant altitude. I could still land by disengaging A/P but then had a hairy touch and go because I realized I wasn’t slowing down despite max braking. Based on your video it looks like my mistakes were not switching from LOC to APPR and not disengaging autothrottle. I can’t wait to try out what I’ve learned here and see if it works. Thank you!
Localiser only guides you into the runway. Approach is what flies you down the glideslope. Localiser will not affect your altitude.
@@Drawyah Alas, it turns out I _was_ hitting APPR at the appropriate time, however what's happening is the APPR Autopilot is spontaneously switching back to LOC at some point after getting on the glide slope. After this point, any time I hit APPR, it switches itself back to LOC. I would assume this means the approach given to me by ATC has not been fully ingested, rather than due to inappropriate orientation, because my ILS markers on my HUD are all looking perfect. When I get the approach from ATC I click on the corresponding one in the FMC's "DEP APP" menu and then hit the Exec button, which is now glowing green. I don't know if there there any other steps. I assume ILS radios are correctly set after hitting the Exec button.
Are you at the appropriate altitude to intercept the glide slope? You have to pass through the vertical diamond on the glide slope for it to activate.
Good stuff!
Gorgeous flight deck.
I do love it!
Bout to fly on an 787 in real life thought this would be a great video to learn while flying
Good video, thanks!
Nice descriptive video. Helped a lot. Thank you
Glad to hear it helped!
Ah the good old days when the 787 could pitch before landing
Yepp. That was a fun week.
Good...it's not just me 😬
Is this issue still appearing?
@@TheTechnoFever no but is still pure garbage
Nice job 👍
Hello from s.korea and watched this video good tutorial thx
Even tho i already know most of this planet i still watxh this because i learn new stuff everytime inwatxh this, thans man!
Best tutorial
Great tutorial very informative and it was a very smooth landing but straight onto the nose gear, no flare at all he landed with like a -1 pitch angle
787 physics when the sim released were a little off. If I re-recorded this now the landing should be far more regular.
Well explained.
very good video i just watch it and i understood everything thank you
I'm glad you found the video helpful! ✈️
Great video.
Excellent video. Thank you sir.
Glad you found it helpful!
lovely plane
Thanx again Drawyah, I couldn't find the loc and apr buttons! The Captain sure needs long arms when flying alone😅
ha well to be fair the captain should never be alone! But yeah they are far
Thanks a lot for the tutorial! It will come in useful when the 787 is maybe more optimized and so is the sim. In the 787, I get 5-10 fps even though my CPU is better than the one on the "recommended spces" and I have the same GPU as on the recommended specs.
I noticed that as well with the 787 and the flight dynamics are all messed up. Rolling down the runway the nose bounces up and down and lifts off at 80 kts.
@@kalidilerious Same, it even lifts off by itself at very low speeds when I am trying to keep it down.
@@kalidilerious I was lifting the nose of the A320 off the ground down to 60 knots. I think that stuff is getting fixed in the patch due out this week. Winds are getting fixed too!
i love the dream liner
Basically the autopilot is broken, while it can follow a course the Autothrottle, VNAV, LOC and GS capabilities all seem to be broken and you need to manage the ascent, decent and approach via setting flight angle and manually managing the throttle or use the IAS to do so. Is everyone seeing this
Thankyou for the tutorial and showing my house!
Hi Drawyah,
I watched a couple of your landings. Let me tell you, you are approaching too fast. Even though I don’t know the 787 app speed, next time try to approach at 145. You will notice a huge difference in the aircraft profile. Your airplane nose won’t be in the horizon but a few degrees up and landings will be smoother. Approaching at 170kts is too fast.
Hope you try it!
Out of all the aircraft the 787 for me is prolly my worst for landing. Eventually I'll get the hang of it.
Drawyah Drawyah app speed depends mainly on aircraft weight. It should also be corrected by wind and runway condition. As you usually fly in wind calm condition and dry runway, 145 Kts should be a good speed. I also saw you land an A320 at almost 145, which is fast. Try to land the A320 in between 130/135 kts. Otherwise you will float down the runway.
Just given some advice. Hope you try it and let me know!
@@jigonesa El sabe volarlo amigo, no vengas a corregirlo pq incluso lo que decis esta mal. La VREF depende de variables como peso o viento asi que con lo que decis vos, dependiendo el escenario el avion puede entrar en perdida. Si te fijas, tiene viento en cola asi que a los +2/3 nudos que se suman siempre a la VREF tenes que sumarle el doble de tailwind que tengas. Asi que como ves no podes definir a la VREF entre dos velocidades. El sabe volar, no hace falta q lo corrijas para hacerte el capo. saludos
Ok bro. I approach at 153. ILS’ VS is -800 so I would take control at 200 ft and try to pull the stick back so I get -500 or less. But every time just before I touchdown the plane pitches up itself even more and would just glide above the runway. I have to counter this by pushing the stick forward quite a lot. Anyway to fix this?if I don’t do anything and leave it at -800 it would still pitch up.
@@agustinlaurito9656 Oui mais seulement entre midi et 3. salut
Amazing video Drawyah! Do you think the flight model and aerodynamics of the simulator will ever be updated?
514/5000
Hi Drawyah,
Thanks for your tutorials, always a help and advice are welcome! Please keep helping us in this beautiful art of flying.
I was wondering if it is possible that you will publish the first part of this video, where we could see the preparation, take off, climb and cruise which is where this video that we are flying now begins. It would be fantastic to be able to get the whole picture of this tutorial. Thank you in advance for your work and teachings. Have a good day and a good flight
Oswaldo
What percent is your flaps and trim?? Do you know of anywhere to learn more about all the controls??
It won’t let me press several of my buttons on that front dash for some reason.
Great video
That looked like a nose gear touchdown which was not good but the approach was brilliant thank you
Multiple issues with 787 and practically impossible to land this without certain adjustments, lets hope they come up with some fixes. But well done thx for the tutorial!
Agreed. It really wants to float in the game and you almost have to push it down. Sensitivity of throttle and pitch on approach is super high too. Despite great graphics, I find it really hard to get a sense of speed and height on approach to feel what is happening. Below 100ft or so, it seems like everything looks and feels the same. With Xplane by contrast I feel I have surgical precision in what I'm doing below 100 feet.
Iiari Cant agree more!
Iiari if you get a chance look up ground effect and do some research on it. When you are close to the ground the wings actually cause a change in lift that is more than what you get when you are flying at higher up. This is actually modeled and you get the floating effect if you are not approaching correctly at the right speed. Part of it is change in lift as well as decrease in parasitic drag. The inverse happens on take off and if you are not careful you can actually lift off at incorrect speeds due to ground effect.
Hey Drawyah, great tutorial. I am having an issue when landing the 787. I arm the spoilers and hear them deploy at landing. however once I take a look from outside, the spoilers are not up. Could be that they deploy and retract for some reason or don't deploy at all. Would you happen to know what this issue is? Thnx.
thanks again Drawyah! Great tutorial and just completed a full flight EGLL to EHAM for practice ... all went well .. cheers!
Fantastic! Glad it went well. Happy virtual flying!
Can’t wait for them to add way more planes
why more? One GA and one Airliner are enough. I have been studying control systems, including emergency situations, for about a year (from official Boeing documentation) ... I would not like to learn all aircrafts :D
Man I hadn’t really noticed how long the 787-10 is, that’s freaky
Hi Drawjah,
Great videos, I was wondering if you cancel flight following or have you edited it out as I found you can not fly the planed altitudes as the ATC gives you completely different FLs.
I disabled default ATC long ago. I fly on IVAO which is far more realistic.
Hi.... I followed the exact method you have done, but when trying to set up for approach etc you go to simbrief and see Divam on there which I don't see.... Can you explain where I see the stars to put in the computer
Be careful when reducing airspeed at high altitude. The flight envelope is very narrow in the thin air.
Which is the reason why I crashed into Indonesia on my Malaysia > Singapore flight.
Coffins corner
Awesome tutorial, I noticed you don’t use or appear to arm the Speedbrake, is this not common practice?
It is
Helsinki
Do you know how to edit a waypoint in the route? If I want to skip one and go direct to the next one?
Hey ! Thx a lot for this tutorial, I just have two questions why dont you set your autobrakes for landing and why dont you put the HUD for landing ? Thx again 👌
Autobreak I missed, HUD you only use for low visibility landings.
@@Drawyah ooh ok thx for the awnser 👌g'day !
hi, are you able to performa DCT? I mean a direct to one point of FP or gave from ATC out of FP?
Hi @Drawyah, thank you for the tutorial. I followed the procedure as you did by turning on the "LOC" switch when the pink diamond laterally aligns with the runway, and by arming the approach mode when I see the diamond above the middle (vertically). When the vertical diamond hits the middle, it goes back to the LOC mode and the plane does not descend. I noticed that this happened in your video from London to Dubai. I had my LNAV off, HDG off, and my autopilot on.
Very odd. Check out my two 787 videos to Dubai, see if I did anything different in that descent which you may find helpful!
This is my problem too! I do everything just as the OP does in this video, but at a different airport (KLAX). Everything seems perfect, on the glide slope, but suddenly and spontaneously APPR switches back to LOC and I fly straight & level right over the runway. I’m certain I’ve hit the Exec button after loading the approach into the FMC given to me by ATC. Still stumped.
This video is quite old so I don't expect an answer, but how do I make the REF show up when I spawn in on approach? great video btw
Ensure that the ILS frequency is set and your approach is configured. Spawning on approach doesn't do this automatically.
nice video. But i have a problem whit LNAV, the plane follow the fly plan, but the plane does not stabilize on the route and turns from one side to the other, and never stays in a straight position. Plis help
Great video, thank you. But where do you get the STAR information from? Will that be provided by ATC?
STAR is provided by ATC or found with simBrief.
You can also get real STARs, DPs, and approaches on fltplan.com then go to digital charts. That's what I use for FS2020.
How to do you get it to fly level on autopilot? I followed your tutorial exactly and my 787 banks left and right by 10 degrees all the time.
You can use LNAV and VNAV in the 787, I've never had a major issue with it.
I have this problem with the AP where it cant follow the flight path with lnav engaged, do you happen to know of any solution?
Great tutorial, proved very helpful and informative.
Where in the display does it tell you if the APU is on? Seems like after I land I can’t get the APU to come on and I can’t hear if it is on because of the noise of the main engines
The above panel has the apu switch
How did you get this sharp image of the panel?
Though I've got i9 9th G with RTX 2080 graphics card, i'm not getting that quality panel. All settings are maximized. Am I missing anything?
Panel quality? Check your resolution or render scaling perhaps.
How do you have the flight monitor show the terrain? it looks like it is "scanning". no matter what i do in my 787 i cant turn it on
There's a button above the monitor, WXR is for weather mode, then TERR for the terrain mode. Just push on the TERR and you should be able to change it.
I believe the range indication is in fact correct. At least it's exactly the same in the Magknight 787.
It's double what it should be. I can be 100nm from the next waypoint as indicated in the upper-right of the ND, but according to the range it shows 200nm.
Hey there, drawyah here. :)
Can you show me how to fly direct to a waypoint if you instructed to do so by a controller....
When i turned off autopilot, the aircraft immediately banked right and ascended. I had to quickly make major manual adjustments to try and hand fly it. The point at which i disengaged was a lot closer to the runway when i was at about 300 ft. Do I need to check trim settings or something?
So long Autopilot was active during the descent, trim should be correct. Most likely you were flying into a heavy crosswind.
Dear Drawyah what's wrong and I can not have the right screen on the 787 to show me the whole instrument panel and not split in half?
3:14 - You can see me switch the displays here using the console buttons.
czcams.com/video/o3TJtdZTaK8/video.html
Hi Drawyah, how can i fly without Headings, like straight the autopilot? I cant deactivate the Headings
Great tutorial! I tried to follow your tips, and I'm almost there now. However, for some reason I have a hard time aligning the plane with the runway for final approach. I flew ENBR - ENGM today, using a high-altitude IFR route suggested by the sim itself (not imported), with ILS approach for RW 19R. I tried multple landings, but every time after the AP made the last sharp turn prior to landing, the plane never hit the runway straight on, but always at a bad angle. Sometimes the plane even ended up in a completely random direection. I don't have this problem when I use the A320-plane. Do you what may cause this problem with the 787? Help is greatly appreciated :).
Check your NAV frequency, perhaps that has come out of alignment?
@@Drawyah Thanks! I will try that :)
exactly happen to me
How do you find your ETA to your destination in the 787?
Hey Drawyah, I'm wondering do you have the issue of the elevation trim of the 787. I fully disconnect the ap but the trim is still changing itself. Make it so hard to land
I've not noted that myself. Sure you have fully turned off Autopilot?
Drawyah Yeah I’m 100% sure, The 748 doesn’t have this issue. when I watch your video I notice that everytime when you try to land the 787, you always need to “nose down” the 787 in order to descend in final approach. I’m having the same issue since the evevation trim has its own mind.
Drawyah I did some research, the autotrim of the 787 is a separate system from the autopilot. It can not be turned off in msfs2020 currently.
My apology, if this was already explained, but where are you getting info regarding METAR data please? Thanks a lot!
I use AllMetSat for my METAR information.
www.allmetsat.com/
Hi Drawyah, i'm having issues with the "legs" function. When i choose a rw at approach, normally with the 747 you could go to the legs page and choose the waypoint you want to fly to. The 787 does that too, only when you reach the waypoint, the whole route resets. Is that a bug? And is there a way to solve that, for example to plot a new course to the rw you want? Regards, jan.
The flight plan resetting is not an issue I've yet come across. Try deleting the aircraft in the Content Manager and redownloading it, see if that resets the issue.
@@Drawyah with resetting, i mean the airplane will turn around and wants to fly back to the first waypoint in the flightplan. But i'll try reinstalling the airplane.
My Inav's not working. I swing back and forth all the time. Does anyone else have these problems ?
Why are you don't take the noise up when you land?The Landing was very hard
If you look at the vertical speed indicator you would see it wasn’t a hard landing at all. It was fast, though.
Yea it was a very smooth landing straight onto the nose gear but yea he had no flare at all he landed with like a -1 pitch angle
I find it never lines up with the runway and lands left/right of the runway. I set up all the ILS info ok and clicked on APR. It was much easier in FSX.
I have an issue by pulling up the nose at the end (before landing). I am also stopping the automatic approach and the autopilot 1k feet above ground, but it is like the elevator of the aircraft is only repsonding minimally. I have also paused the game and checked again the hole autopilot system, it was full off. Also the pitching was at 1.4, which is not unnormal. After the hard landing, everything was again normal and the elevator responded perfectly (so I am sure the problem is not my joystick). I also landed again with more speed, it was the same. Does anybody have a solution?
Same problem. When I'm approaching the runway, the plane won't pitch the nose at all. Tested it with A320 and 747-8 and it works just fine.
One of my Problems with the 787 is Getting the nose up quickely enough before Touchdown.
hai,can i see your setting graphics Microsoft flight Simulator 2020?
Hope you noticed me again
anybody know why the speed intervention button is unavailable to me during my flight?
i wonder, why is my interface on the display screens totally different? e.g. when i click DEP ARR, like on 2:30, all i got is ACT FLPN written right under the DEP/ARR INDEX, the rest is black and i cant click anything
Check you've selected the right option. Sounds like you're clicking FPLAN to show the Active Flightplan screen.
thanks for disabling the ads every 30 seconds
I’m having a lot of trouble with programming the MCDU but I noticed you have weather radar on you MFD. zHow did you get that?
Press the WX button on the glareshield.
OK.....thanks for your prompt reply.
My flight plan works until I reach the approach phase. Afterwards, my plane keeps flying circles instead of following the last part of the flight path (I set it up already in the menu including an ILS approach). Does anyone know what I might be missing?
@@WINTERSTELLAR. Same, you have to manually activate the approach but even then it doesn't work half the time.
1:23, The Bug is fixed now.
i can't maintain approach speed with flaps 25-30 after one of the patches
So if you want to know the approach alt (the attitude which catches the glideslope) you would need to look at the last legs page waypoint alt?
Correct to an extent, it will get you to an intercept point. Charts will tell you a definite altitude.
@@Drawyah wdym so the alt isn’t correct/accurate? Will it catch the glideslope?
It will 100% catch the glideslope. It's not inaccurate, just charts are more precise.
@@Drawyah so what are charts good for? When you mean precise
Charts are used for navigational aid, showing you on a map your required routing and altitude constraints.
Hi just got the 787 this week on Monday has the nd range been fixed
Yes it has.
@@Drawyah ok thanks so much no wonder my decent was so early!
Nice landing.
How do you know when you should start defending? I manage to calculate TOD but I have no idea how to find out how far away you are in NM from the airport, anyone know how you can find this out?
To take evasive maneuvers and defend, best keep an ear open for your alarm to sound when heatseekers have locked on. Use flares too to confuse the armaments sensors and increase its likelihood of a miss. As for airport distance, all shown on your ND and FMS.
@@Drawyah haha, thank you 🤣
where do you get the information which tells you which STAR to use? For some reason the plane keep turning around as soon as i select it and goes to the last waypoint 😣😩
Check your simBrief flightplan. This will tell you the arrival runway and STAR.
@@Drawyah thankyou, where do i find the simBrief flight plan, is it just on the screen before i load in?
czcams.com/video/K7Y_OZH0J5g/video.html
Great vid, but sometimes you mumble and talk really fast😂but good job, perfect vid
I think there's some real issues with this plane. The auto throttle does not seem to kick in during approach phase when I pressed the APP button which it did before the patch. I thought it was just me but I flew the plane three times since the patch, it won't adjust the throttle to match the speed I set. I had to manually adjust the throttle myself during approach. However it works during cruising and descending. Oh, the approach button does capture the ILS and guides the plane down with auto throttle control pre-patch. Post patch manual throttle control needed.
In the 787 you're supposed to manually control throttle on approach and touchdown.
I did an approach with autothrottle and it worked fine. The APPR button only tells the flight director to fly the localizer and look for the glide slope. The autopilot follows the flight director. To get autothrottle you have to select the L and R autothrottle switches and set the IAS speed. I believe there is an Autothrottle button or switch below the LR autthrottle arm switch. You'll hit 3 switches to make it work. A/T Arm switches (two white toggles), A/T pushbutton (down and to the left of the speed adjust knob), and dial your speed you want to hold. Hope that helps.