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Pretty sure it reinforced the effort to cover your mouth with you glove too lol! Also didn’t a manager say “I’ll let jomboy tell you” when asked what he said
Here’s the suspension list from this altercation: Mariners: Winker - 7 games, Crawford - 5 games, Rodriguez - 2 games Angels: Manager Nevin 10 games, Rendon (injured in a cast) - 5 games, Wantz (pitcher who threw at Winker) - 3 games, Tepera - 3 games, Iglesias (sunflower seeds/gum thrower) - 2 games Apparently three other coaches and even an interpreter were also suspended. And you’re not going to believe this but the man who feel out of the dugout, Archie Bradley, fractured his elbow and missed significant time.
Suspensions Angels: Phill Nevin (manager): 10 games Anthony Rendon: 5 games (after returning from injury) Dom Chiti (coach): 5 games Andrew Wantz: 3 games Ryan Tepera: 3 games Raisel Iglesias: 2 games Ray Montgomery (coach): 2 games Manny Del Campo (interpreter): 2 games Bill Haselman (coach) 1 game Mariners: Jesse Winker: 7 games JP Crawford: 5 games Julio Rodriguez: 2 games Also worth noting Archie Bradley, the guy who fell over the railing, fractured his elbow on that fall and missed a lot of time.
I wonder, had Iglesias not thrown the temper tantrum, if he would have even been suspended. If he had initially been suspended, he could have appealed (presumably) and could have had that ruling overturned with video evidence that he was not involved with the melee. Sure, he would have had to leave that game, but I seriously doubt he would have had to serve any other time off.
There's some crucial context to this that's missing. First, the throw Trout and the Angels took issues with was late in the game, 9th inning I believe. The Mariners were protecting a slim lead. No team, no matter how upset, would EVER intentionally hit someone and put the winning run on base. Second, the Mariners pitcher had several wild pitches before the one that missed Trouts head. It very likely slipped on him. Third, the Mariners just don't intentionally hit other batters ever. They have some of the lowest hit batters numbers in the league under their current manager. They never retaliate, they play very clean. Lastly, Nevin, the manager of the Angels did one of the scummiest things I've ever seen. He put a kid on the mound for his first ever career start, which is supposed to be a special day, and he used him as a pawn. An 'opener' is not a thing in baseball and it made his intentions very very clear. So he put a kid out there for his first start, just trying to make his way in the league, to go out and hit every batter he faces until he gets ejected. Absolutely horrible. As much as I love Trout, he absolutely caused all this to happen too. He could have taken the high road and ended it at the beginning and instead he chose to be vaguely accusatory and rile up his team.
Exactly, why Nevin only got 10 games is honestly a travesty. He ruined that kids first MLB start and retaliated against a figment of his imagination. How many Mariners have to be hit because you lost a game? The guy is bush league and doesn’t need to be a MLB coach.
@MB DG yeah like a bullpen day kind of thing. He switched the starting pitcher that day to have the opener, and then the next person in was the actual starter. So while yes its technically a strat, that's not what he was doing at all and the malicious intent couldn't be more obvious.
There was a clip circulating towards the end last year of the Angels' commentators saying the M's had a "reputation" for headhunting, which was pretty rich because if you look at how many batters each team hit on the year, the Angels are at the top of the list and the M's are at the bottom.
Ah yes, the "Brawl that Started It All." Would we have gone on an insane run and made the playoffs without this fight? Maybe. After 20 years of being an M's fan, this (and obviously Cal Raleigh's walk-off) will be the things I always remember about my first Mariners post-season season.
@@iN31L Jomboy's breakdown covers the backstory briefly, but you're right that inning is one of, if not the craziest inning of baseball that I've seen!
And Blue Jays fans still haven't forgotten more than six years later. They boo Odor whenever he's in town. I was at a game last August, Odor with Orioles, took me a few seconds to realize why they were booing him so much: Oh yeah, he's the one who clocked Bautista.
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Still cant believe we booed Winker when he came back to Seattle after being traded to the Brewers, like he didnt have the best season but the brawl is already ingrained in Mariners history and ill always love everyone who was on the team who broke the drought no matter how small their contribution.
Thanks for doing this! I saw this live (huge Mariners fan) and nearly lost my mind. This incident actually turned the Mariners season around and went on a nice run to make the playoffs for the first time over 20 years! Probably the best Jomboy breakdown ever IMO. Love this channel!
Controversial take- I think Winker was in the right. He didn't throw any cheap shots and was trying to have a real interaction with that coach. He didn't want it to come to this but had his team's back. It wasn't his fault.
I don't think either team was in the right and I'm an Angels fan. You shouldn't throw at people at all, but it's not like Lorenzen was trying to hit Upton, Upton was AWFUL and you're much more likely to get him out than for him to reach base safely. I totally get the Angels being pissed about that pitch to Trout. He's the best player in the league and has been for a decade. Was it right for Wantz to hit Winker? Absolutely not, but you gotta protect your teammate, especially when that teammate is the best player in the league
@@thatkristiandude4048 So according to you the Angels can defend their teammates but the Mariners can't. Seems pretty fucking backwards but you're an Angels fan so it makes sense. Angel fans are just as idiotic as their front office
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Sofie is the one and they are active on the Mariners baseball Twitter. They threw out the first pitch last year for double AA Arkansas and received a Winker jersey.
Also, not necessarily about the Angels but the Mariners had been thrown at with increasing frequency in the preceding weeks, sometimes with fairly major consequences and they were getting really tired of it (beginning June 1, 2022 we'd been hit 17 times leading up to the brawl ((18 if you count the hit batter the day of)) whereas we only hit our opponents nine times ((yes that is still a lot but only half of the amount of times we were hit)).
I was at the Cardinals and Mets game last year where the benches cleared. Jomboy has a breakdown on it, and I recommend watching it because it is one of the weirder bench-clearing incidents in recent history. The best part of the whole thing was going home and learning that Giovanny Gallegos jumped the bullpen fence to get to the fight. I was paying attention to the big group at home plate.
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If you count the Angels pitch that hit the Mariners player 9 days before the first game in the video, then you could argue that the Angels instigated and escalated this entire saga...up until Winker 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah, the video leaves out that (ex-Angel) Justin Upton WAS hit in the head by an Angel's pitcher the week before. The video makes it sound like Trout ALMOST getting hit is what started this.
as someone who pitched for several years, the ball sometimes does get away from you. sometimes you try to throw in a hitters weakspot and it runs too far in, up, out, etc. these seemed a bit intentional, though.
I was hoping that you guys would get to this! Thanks! I'm a Mariners fan and due to the players that we had suspended things got very dicey in the following games with our depleted lineups. Our guys served their suspensions consecutively so that we did not lose all of them at once.
The best place to pitch Trout is the upper inside corner of the strike zone. That's why Casey Sandler was pitching there. He was wild the whole outing. In fact after this outing I believe the Mariners medical staff found out Casey was injured and needed surgery. BTW Archie Bradley, the Angel that face-planted hopping the fence, broke his arm.
Jomboy has another fun one with the Rougned Odor punch in the Rangers-Bluejays brawl a few years back. Fun fact: there are multiple murals and even a stained glass window commemorating that incident in Dallas still today.
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As for context for missing up, that's a legit reason, most pitchers would rather miss out of the strike zone than in it. If say you're pitching to Trout like this and you want to aim at the high inside corner of the strike zone, if for whatever reason you miss that spot, you'd like to miss out of the zone, because out of the zone its a ball, and that's not the worst thing, if you miss it right in the flat out middle of the zone the liklihood that Trout or any hitter is going to hit that ball really hard is very good. I'm reminded of Pedro Martinez talking about his approach on MLB Network and he was saying basically anytime he was pitching if he was gonna miss he was gonna miss off to the side, that way the hitter doesn't have a chance at any mistake pitches.
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Important missing information. A Mariner's fan had a pizza delivered to Winker in the club house. The delivery driver was a hero on Twitter that day (as was the lady who sent the pizza).
So an opener is a pitcher who starts a game but is typically used as a reliever and then depending on well they’re doing, the manager puts in the scheduled starter. Openers aren’t that common but they aren’t rare
there's one extra point of context that i don't see ppl pointing out, a pitch did hit jared walsh (angels player) before trouts at bat. or it at least skimmed him (iirc) he took his base but then mariners challenged it and it got called back. on the angels broadcast they replayed it a lot to see what was correct, it was a tough by the footage but you could hear the sound it made from hitting him clearly. ofc angels were mad at the bad call and mariners for challenging it. there was tons of boos in the stadium and it changed the whole tone, so that anger was built up when trout went at bat.
Great reaction from you guys - i know every sport has its rivalries and sub=plots but for some reason - maybe because of the one-on-one dynamic of pitcher vs. hitter - the back stories on baseball are amusing / entertaining. I'm glad you guys watched this one and thanks for posting.
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I still consider this event to be the turning point of last season for the Mariners, and the funniest outcome was that a Mariners fan watching the broadcast knew the area and had a pizza delivered to Winker at the stadium.
You know the most comical part about this brawl between My Mariners and our inner division rival Angels ... This was the 2022 season... We ended up catching Fire remainder of the season making the wildcard and actually advancing before getting swept by eventual world series champions Astros BUT... The Angels were ahead of us in the standings they ended up finishing in a distant 3rd or 4th place with a losing record and We win 91 games 2nd in division. It was an ugly brawl indeed and glad y'all watching it but just hilarious how that brawl made MY Team come together when we were in the midst of having a bad season. Any way Great Reaction!!
I think the implementation of the pitch clock has something to do with a rise in HBP and wild pitches in general so far this season. It'll probably be something that needs more time to really track but I'd imagine the added urgency (along with a huge crackdown on how sticky they can make their hands to better grip the ball. Technology that was created to help pitchers not lose control of the ball and hit batters exploited by pitchers for extra spin for nigh unhittable pitches. There's a fine line they arent supposed to go over and pitchers get their hands checked multiple times a game) causes a few inside pitches to go errant.
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After this brawl the Mariners really turned the season around to make a playoff push, our first playoff season in 20+ years… There’s still time to jump on the bandwagon 🤫
Erik Swanson the pitcher who the angels thought was throwing at trout was coming off an injury and it’s why he was talking about sighting in his pitches the pitching coach checking on him.
Again, much appreciate you guys getting after what I just realized is a complicated game. One thing: Answering your previous question, Yes, excellent players do get traded to rivals you have to play against a lot, but many feel that's a big mistake.
There are some longer videos which feature a bunch of brawls, many of them are classics. Yankees-Red Sox 2003 and 2004, Yankees-Orioles that goes into the Yankees dugout, obviously Amir Garrett taking on the entire Pirates dugout by himself which you've already reacted to, Nolan Ryan putting a player 20 years younger than him in a headlock, Dodgers-Padres, and so many others.
Lifetime Mariners fan here. The mariners do that dance after every single win. Everyone knows the entire angels organization(top to bottom) is A hot pile of garbage. 2 best players in the league and never make the playoffs. Granted, Winker is kind of known as a bad guy, but still. In any case, it was the turning point for both teams. After this brawl, the Angels tanked their season and the Mariners made the playoffs. I absolutely love this brawl and all Jomboy videos. Thanks for the reactions!
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Great on guys! Hitting players intentionally still happens more than it should. As I'm sure you have learned there are some stupid unwritten rules (there's videos on it) in the game that cause some players and managers to get way too aggressive. Because hitting a player is something that can be an accident, things can get very tricky and iffy. It's one of the things that drives me nuts. People forget but many of the rules and realities of baseball as it is today were shaped by the death of a player who was hit with a ball in the 1920s. Just because we have head gear now doesn't mean it won't or can't happen again. Players have been hit in the face even recently. I'm honestly shocked we haven't had more serious head injuries. Considering how hard they throw now as well. It's irresponsible to have a manager instigate events like this. I much prefer when the teams simply brawl because almost always they just push each other around and yell. Hard to believe anyone will really get hurt that way. Quick note: I believe you were trying to reference the brawls between the pirates and reds who are division rivals. Quite often the biggest brawls are between in division rivals especially if they are both pushing for the playoffs things can get out of hand quickly.
Love the Phil Nevin stuff...he was maybe the best college baseball player when I was in high school. One of those guys that just keeps popping up over the history of baseball.
An Opener is also known as a "Spot-Starter" essentially it's a Long Relief Pitcher who can start a game if needed, either due to injuries to the starting rotation,or rest.
I don't think they were in the right, but neither were the Mariners. Winker started the whole thing. Wantz was getting thrown out either way, Winker didn't have to rush the Angels dugout like he did. Lorenzen was not trying to hit Upton in that earlier clip, Upton was one of the worst hitters in the league (trust me I know I'm an Angels fan and he was awful) at that point. Why would you give him a free base? I get the Angels being mad about the pitch to Trout cause he's the best player in the league.
@@thatkristiandude4048 Winker didn't throw the first punch, Rendon did. Also, it's weak as hell to be mad about Trout and not Upton. I don't care how good he is. Either it's intentional and you protect your teammate, or it's an accident and you're a sportsman about it. How are you going to get revenge because a guy was trying to compete? Are we just gonna throw soft stuff to everyone's best hitters and save the hard stuff for guys that suck because it makes less of a difference to the win-loss record they get concussed? I understand it's not pleasant to have a fastball come that close to your face, but it's part of the game he signed a contract to play. When I was a security guard I didn't like people yelling at me, but it was part of what I signed up for and it didn't give me the right to try to hurt anyone.
There are an increase in hit batsmen due to pitchers having to change their dynamic because of the pitch clock. Their natural rhythms have been disturbed because the commissioner believes that baseball takes up too much time.
Completely unrelated to the Jomboy video.😅 The NFL 2023 schedule is being released at 8:00 EDT Thursday this week on the NFL Network. 1:00 am Friday in the UK by my calculation.
Winker,Upton, and Toro were more than likely traded because this fight.The same happened to Brad Miller who was explosively violent. It doesn't go with the family clubhouse the Mariner's have built. For the Mariner's "If you make the kids cry, kiss your contract goodbye." JP Crawford stayed because those punches were clean, and he has a golden glove!
The Mariners that year were hit by opposing pitchers far more often then Mariners pitchers hit the other team. One of Our All Stars, Tye France was hit over 22 times in that year alone.
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At the time of the brawl, the Angels were a quite a few games up on the Mariners who weren't even above 0.500 at the time. The Mariners then went on the longest wins streak of the season by any team and broke their playoff drought, while the Angels collapsed and didn't even have a winning season.
The angels pitcher Lorenzen hitting in the guy in the head on a previous game was a really bad day for him. he walked like 7 and hit 2 in 3 innings. Had absolutely no control at all that day. I don't even think the pitch was set up in when he hit them.
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Angels manager Phil Nevin is a gutless coward who removed the scheduled starter for a goon who came in to throw at Julio and Winker. After this fight he said he hoped the fight would give his team a spark. Instead the Mariners went on a big winning streak and the Angels collapsed. Nevin orchestrated this whole thing and did get suspended, but not long enough. His decisions put players from both sides at risk. As far as the dancing going on on the field the night before, Seattle had been doing that all year after every win, home or away. It was not targeted at the Angels.
The Mariners absolutely did not start it. There's a zero percent chance that pitch at Trout was intentional. You simply would never throw at someone in that situation in a close game. It was just simply a bad pitch that the Angels got sensitive about
If y'all want to see a memorable baseball scuffle or two look up Pedro Martinez vs Don Zimmer and look up Kyle Farnsworth. Don't need to clarify for Farnsworth, it's that obvious which one it is
Thanks, Angels. After a close loss the next day, we won 15 of 16 including 14 in a row while y'all continued your freefall into irrelevancy despite having 2 of the best 3 players in all of baseball
A day or so after this happened, someone posted online a picture of a young girl maybe 5 years old who was crying in the area Winker gave the middle finger to. It was regretfully hilarious. And no doubt she didnt recognize the middle finger but was frightened by all the adults yelling at Winker back with F-Bombs. And she has like a Winker t-shirt on to cap it off. Aww baseball. I would just sit back, eat my hotdog and watch the madness.
If no one gave you the after story, Jessie Winker was ejected,, then a Mariners fan was so appreciative they had pizza delivered to the clubhouse for him. Just legendary
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When you said youve been watching the angels and their pitching has been sketchy and maybe 5-6 hit batters, ill just say this: Hit by pitches arent super uncommon especially when youre pitching at such high velo and adding spin to the ball. It can easily get away from you. Youll generally see a hit pitch every couple of games, sometimes every other game. Most times its not intentional, but you can generally tell based on the situation/context, and what body part got hit/aimed at.
Another interesting not about the brawl: Coming into the season, the Mariners were supposed to be really good and were expected to break their 20 year playoff drought, the longest in American sports. The Angels were expected to be mediocre and most people didn't think they had a shot at the postseason. This game was around 50 games into the season, and at the time the scrpit was completely flipped. The Angels were playing very well and the Mariners had been pretty awful all year, the hope of them making the playoffs was pretty much gone. Immediately after the brawl though, the Angels hit a major bump, started playing very poorly, and never recovered. The Mariners on the other hand completely turned it around and went on a hot streak, going on a 14 game winning streak shortly after, and was one of the best teams in baseball the rest of the season The M's ended up making the playoffs, the Angels didn't. It seemed to have an opposite effect on both teams. Angels completely fell apart after the brawl, while it electrified the Mariners and immediately turned their season around.
As a Mariners fan, this fight was the turning point of our season last year that led the Mariners to finally breaking the longest playoff drought in US Sports. The only downside was that Phil Nevin didn't catch a fist to the face. Dude has no place managing an MLB team. Retaliation like this is bush league crap. You want to return a bean ball in the same game, fine, but it doesn't carry over day to day. Shitty way to run your team. Joke show manager for a joke show franchise.
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Jomboy's lip-reading is actually pretty legit. Many players and managers have confirmed that he gets atleast "90% correct" every time.
Works 90% of the time, every time. 😂
Pretty sure it reinforced the effort to cover your mouth with you glove too lol! Also didn’t a manager say “I’ll let jomboy tell you” when asked what he said
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Yes a manager did say that 😂
Here’s the suspension list from this altercation:
Mariners: Winker - 7 games, Crawford - 5 games, Rodriguez - 2 games
Angels: Manager Nevin 10 games, Rendon (injured in a cast) - 5 games, Wantz (pitcher who threw at Winker) - 3 games, Tepera - 3 games, Iglesias (sunflower seeds/gum thrower) - 2 games
Apparently three other coaches and even an interpreter were also suspended.
And you’re not going to believe this but the man who feel out of the dugout, Archie Bradley, fractured his elbow and missed significant time.
I believe it. Archie had a pretty hard "dismount".
@@TheMrPeteChannel 😂
what did Rodriguez do? He was in the back the whole time
Suspensions
Angels:
Phill Nevin (manager): 10 games
Anthony Rendon: 5 games (after returning from injury)
Dom Chiti (coach): 5 games
Andrew Wantz: 3 games
Ryan Tepera: 3 games
Raisel Iglesias: 2 games
Ray Montgomery (coach): 2 games
Manny Del Campo (interpreter): 2 games
Bill Haselman (coach) 1 game
Mariners:
Jesse Winker: 7 games
JP Crawford: 5 games
Julio Rodriguez: 2 games
Also worth noting Archie Bradley, the guy who fell over the railing, fractured his elbow on that fall and missed a lot of time.
The interpreter got 2 games. That's hilarious! 😂😂
@@G.0.”sorry ohtani, do your best to figure out what everyone is saying.”
I wonder, had Iglesias not thrown the temper tantrum, if he would have even been suspended. If he had initially been suspended, he could have appealed (presumably) and could have had that ruling overturned with video evidence that he was not involved with the melee. Sure, he would have had to leave that game, but I seriously doubt he would have had to serve any other time off.
@@anthonynelson2005 lol im sure they have another spanish interpreter on staff
@@pyrotechnic96 but he speaks Japanese….?
There's some crucial context to this that's missing.
First, the throw Trout and the Angels took issues with was late in the game, 9th inning I believe. The Mariners were protecting a slim lead. No team, no matter how upset, would EVER intentionally hit someone and put the winning run on base.
Second, the Mariners pitcher had several wild pitches before the one that missed Trouts head. It very likely slipped on him.
Third, the Mariners just don't intentionally hit other batters ever. They have some of the lowest hit batters numbers in the league under their current manager. They never retaliate, they play very clean.
Lastly, Nevin, the manager of the Angels did one of the scummiest things I've ever seen. He put a kid on the mound for his first ever career start, which is supposed to be a special day, and he used him as a pawn. An 'opener' is not a thing in baseball and it made his intentions very very clear. So he put a kid out there for his first start, just trying to make his way in the league, to go out and hit every batter he faces until he gets ejected. Absolutely horrible.
As much as I love Trout, he absolutely caused all this to happen too. He could have taken the high road and ended it at the beginning and instead he chose to be vaguely accusatory and rile up his team.
Exactly, why Nevin only got 10 games is honestly a travesty. He ruined that kids first MLB start and retaliated against a figment of his imagination. How many Mariners have to be hit because you lost a game? The guy is bush league and doesn’t need to be a MLB coach.
@@khure711 I totally agree he needs to be fired, but because he's an awful manager and is literally costing the Angels 2 wins about every week or so
An opener + bulk guy relief pitcher strategy is a thing in baseball. Nevin’s “strat” that day was just a malicious scheme.
@MB DG yeah like a bullpen day kind of thing. He switched the starting pitcher that day to have the opener, and then the next person in was the actual starter. So while yes its technically a strat, that's not what he was doing at all and the malicious intent couldn't be more obvious.
There was a clip circulating towards the end last year of the Angels' commentators saying the M's had a "reputation" for headhunting, which was pretty rich because if you look at how many batters each team hit on the year, the Angels are at the top of the list and the M's are at the bottom.
Ah yes, the "Brawl that Started It All." Would we have gone on an insane run and made the playoffs without this fight? Maybe. After 20 years of being an M's fan, this (and obviously Cal Raleigh's walk-off) will be the things I always remember about my first Mariners post-season season.
it’s why i’ll always root for winker lol
Yeah they went on an absolute tear after this
MORE JOMBOY!!! His breakdown of the legendary Blue Jays vs. Rangers brawl is goated too. Jose Bautista is still feeling that hook to the chin 🤣
Odor v. Bautista is an all-time classic!
They should watch the legendary 7th inning + bautista home run before that though
@@iN31L Jomboy's breakdown covers the backstory briefly, but you're right that inning is one of, if not the craziest inning of baseball that I've seen!
And Blue Jays fans still haven't forgotten more than six years later. They boo Odor whenever he's in town. I was at a game last August, Odor with Orioles, took me a few seconds to realize why they were booing him so much: Oh yeah, he's the one who clocked Bautista.
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Regarding the dancing after the game, Mariners do it after every game they win
Still cant believe we booed Winker when he came back to Seattle after being traded to the Brewers, like he didnt have the best season but the brawl is already ingrained in Mariners history and ill always love everyone who was on the team who broke the drought no matter how small their contribution.
He didn't have the best season, he was TERRIBLE
@thatkristiandude4048 still would have been a better Dh then la Stella or Hummel that's all I'm saying.
And I told people that is why we were losing because fans kept booing. I call it karma from baseball gods.
shameful that our fans did that dude gave the angels fans the double bird he’s a mariner legend in my eyes
Fortunately it was a loud minority. Pretty gross especially when all he did was just not play that well..
Thanks for doing this! I saw this live (huge Mariners fan) and nearly lost my mind. This incident actually turned the Mariners season around and went on a nice run to make the playoffs for the first time over 20 years! Probably the best Jomboy breakdown ever IMO. Love this channel!
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Controversial take- I think Winker was in the right. He didn't throw any cheap shots and was trying to have a real interaction with that coach. He didn't want it to come to this but had his team's back. It wasn't his fault.
Not controversial at all, it's true. Winker has the free pizza to prove it!
I don't think either team was in the right and I'm an Angels fan. You shouldn't throw at people at all, but it's not like Lorenzen was trying to hit Upton, Upton was AWFUL and you're much more likely to get him out than for him to reach base safely. I totally get the Angels being pissed about that pitch to Trout. He's the best player in the league and has been for a decade. Was it right for Wantz to hit Winker? Absolutely not, but you gotta protect your teammate, especially when that teammate is the best player in the league
@@thatkristiandude4048 So according to you the Angels can defend their teammates but the Mariners can't. Seems pretty fucking backwards but you're an Angels fan so it makes sense. Angel fans are just as idiotic as their front office
Winker initiated the scuffle by charging the other teams dugout. He disqualified himself from being "in the right"
@@Handall88 Rendon took the first shot though. That's what started the physical brawl before that it was just shouting like the brawl with the Astros
Baseball and hockey have the best fights
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A Mariners fan sent Winker a pizza to the stadium after he was ejected. The Mariners also went on a hot streak as a team not long after this.
Sofie is the one and they are active on the Mariners baseball Twitter. They threw out the first pitch last year for double AA Arkansas and received a Winker jersey.
The Mariners always dance after they win.
Also, not necessarily about the Angels but the Mariners had been thrown at with increasing frequency in the preceding weeks, sometimes with fairly major consequences and they were getting really tired of it (beginning June 1, 2022 we'd been hit 17 times leading up to the brawl ((18 if you count the hit batter the day of)) whereas we only hit our opponents nine times ((yes that is still a lot but only half of the amount of times we were hit)).
You guys seem to be really picking up the game! Good show mates!😊
I was at the Cardinals and Mets game last year where the benches cleared. Jomboy has a breakdown on it, and I recommend watching it because it is one of the weirder bench-clearing incidents in recent history. The best part of the whole thing was going home and learning that Giovanny Gallegos jumped the bullpen fence to get to the fight. I was paying attention to the big group at home plate.
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If you count the Angels pitch that hit the Mariners player 9 days before the first game in the video, then you could argue that the Angels instigated and escalated this entire saga...up until Winker 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah, the video leaves out that (ex-Angel) Justin Upton WAS hit in the head by an Angel's pitcher the week before. The video makes it sound like Trout ALMOST getting hit is what started this.
@@BlueSunHiredGun no it doesn't. The video lays it out pretty well. Neither team was in the right here
You want to react to a simple isolated ejection from a manager? “Lloyd McClendon ejected, takes first base” is a quick and funny watch.
They should also watch Lou Pinella's as well.
Jesse Winker was inspired by his former teammate, Amir Garrett
Yasiel Puig 😂
as someone who pitched for several years, the ball sometimes does get away from you. sometimes you try to throw in a hitters weakspot and it runs too far in, up, out, etc. these seemed a bit intentional, though.
Intentionally throwing at him when he didn’t have control all inning and trying to protect the lead in the 9th? Explain that to me again.
I was hoping that you guys would get to this! Thanks! I'm a Mariners fan and due to the players that we had suspended things got very dicey in the following games with our depleted lineups. Our guys served their suspensions consecutively so that we did not lose all of them at once.
The best place to pitch Trout is the upper inside corner of the strike zone. That's why Casey Sandler was pitching there. He was wild the whole outing. In fact after this outing I believe the Mariners medical staff found out Casey was injured and needed surgery. BTW Archie Bradley, the Angel that face-planted hopping the fence, broke his arm.
18:29 “pretty much art… pretty much art” made me laugh so hard
I've always said for a no contact sport, there's an awful lot of contact in baseball! 😊
Jomboy has another fun one with the Rougned Odor punch in the Rangers-Bluejays brawl a few years back.
Fun fact: there are multiple murals and even a stained glass window commemorating that incident in Dallas still today.
That brawl was EPIC. I still have the picture of Bautista getting bitch slapped. So deserving.
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Caught my first Rockies game and THEY had a bench clearing brawl. Brawls used to be more common.
As for context for missing up, that's a legit reason, most pitchers would rather miss out of the strike zone than in it. If say you're pitching to Trout like this and you want to aim at the high inside corner of the strike zone, if for whatever reason you miss that spot, you'd like to miss out of the zone, because out of the zone its a ball, and that's not the worst thing, if you miss it right in the flat out middle of the zone the liklihood that Trout or any hitter is going to hit that ball really hard is very good.
I'm reminded of Pedro Martinez talking about his approach on MLB Network and he was saying basically anytime he was pitching if he was gonna miss he was gonna miss off to the side, that way the hitter doesn't have a chance at any mistake pitches.
My favorite channel. Watching you guys learning American sports is so much fun. I can't wait for the NFL season and to see you guys get into it in real time. Cheers!
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Important missing information. A Mariner's fan had a pizza delivered to Winker in the club house. The delivery driver was a hero on Twitter that day (as was the lady who sent the pizza).
Wow, this is insane! Love this context, thanks for posting this.
So an opener is a pitcher who starts a game but is typically used as a reliever and then depending on well they’re doing, the manager puts in the scheduled starter. Openers aren’t that common but they aren’t rare
there's one extra point of context that i don't see ppl pointing out,
a pitch did hit jared walsh (angels player) before trouts at bat. or it at least skimmed him (iirc) he took his base but then mariners challenged it and it got called back. on the angels broadcast they replayed it a lot to see what was correct, it was a tough by the footage but you could hear the sound it made from hitting him clearly. ofc angels were mad at the bad call and mariners for challenging it. there was tons of boos in the stadium and it changed the whole tone, so that anger was built up when trout went at bat.
Angels fan here! Loved the video, but loved this brawl even more. Been in a few scraps with mariners fans myself. Fuck around and find out 😂
Haha quality 🤣 Love this
Love your videos guys . Glad to see baseball growing worldwide and people appreciating it !
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Jimmy's always been a funny guy, and his lip reading ability is uncanny. A good dude all around.
Great reaction from you guys - i know every sport has its rivalries and sub=plots but for some reason - maybe because of the one-on-one dynamic of pitcher vs. hitter - the back stories on baseball are amusing / entertaining. I'm glad you guys watched this one and thanks for posting.
Thanks Jedd 🙏 We do find the background and build up to these fights really interesting!
Right after this the Mariners went on a 14 game winning streak!
Jomboy reaction is the best on this channel. Baseball is such a quirky sport and Jomboy breaks it down perfectly. Brought me back as a fan.
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I still consider this event to be the turning point of last season for the Mariners, and the funniest outcome was that a Mariners fan watching the broadcast knew the area and had a pizza delivered to Winker at the stadium.
You know the most comical part about this brawl between My Mariners and our inner division rival Angels ... This was the 2022 season... We ended up catching Fire remainder of the season making the wildcard and actually advancing before getting swept by eventual world series champions Astros BUT... The Angels were ahead of us in the standings they ended up finishing in a distant 3rd or 4th place with a losing record and We win 91 games 2nd in division. It was an ugly brawl indeed and glad y'all watching it but just hilarious how that brawl made MY Team come together when we were in the midst of having a bad season. Any way Great Reaction!!
Fights will often happen later in the season as things build up and the teams play each other a lot.
Baseball fights are the most entertaining in all of professional sports
That was one of the better baseball bench clearings I've seen in a while.
I think the implementation of the pitch clock has something to do with a rise in HBP and wild pitches in general so far this season. It'll probably be something that needs more time to really track but I'd imagine the added urgency (along with a huge crackdown on how sticky they can make their hands to better grip the ball. Technology that was created to help pitchers not lose control of the ball and hit batters exploited by pitchers for extra spin for nigh unhittable pitches. There's a fine line they arent supposed to go over and pitchers get their hands checked multiple times a game) causes a few inside pitches to go errant.
Winker got a pizza out of this. That’s all I care about. Awesome. 😂
Jomboy has great, smart, and funny takes.
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You guys should watch Joseph Vincent’s video on Derrick Henry, he’s one of the best Running Backs in recent history
After this brawl the Mariners really turned the season around to make a playoff push, our first playoff season in 20+ years… There’s still time to jump on the bandwagon 🤫
That was way better than watching a game
Jomboy gave yall a shoutout on his show "Mornin with Jomboy" back on March 20th! pretty cool
Still can’t believe this, was really nice of him to do so. Seems like a great guy
Retaliation was more prevalent in older rivalries but still happens. Plenty of Yankees Red Sox fights thruout the years so check some of those out.
Erik Swanson the pitcher who the angels thought was throwing at trout was coming off an injury and it’s why he was talking about sighting in his pitches the pitching coach checking on him.
This one was great, cheers!
Again, much appreciate you guys getting after what I just realized is a complicated game. One thing: Answering your previous question, Yes, excellent players do get traded to rivals you have to play against a lot, but many feel that's a big mistake.
There are some longer videos which feature a bunch of brawls, many of them are classics. Yankees-Red Sox 2003 and 2004, Yankees-Orioles that goes into the Yankees dugout, obviously Amir Garrett taking on the entire Pirates dugout by himself which you've already reacted to, Nolan Ryan putting a player 20 years younger than him in a headlock, Dodgers-Padres, and so many others.
Lifetime Mariners fan here. The mariners do that dance after every single win. Everyone knows the entire angels organization(top to bottom) is A hot pile of garbage. 2 best players in the league and never make the playoffs. Granted, Winker is kind of known as a bad guy, but still. In any case, it was the turning point for both teams. After this brawl, the Angels tanked their season and the Mariners made the playoffs. I absolutely love this brawl and all Jomboy videos. Thanks for the reactions!
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Great on guys! Hitting players intentionally still happens more than it should. As I'm sure you have learned there are some stupid unwritten rules (there's videos on it) in the game that cause some players and managers to get way too aggressive. Because hitting a player is something that can be an accident, things can get very tricky and iffy. It's one of the things that drives me nuts. People forget but many of the rules and realities of baseball as it is today were shaped by the death of a player who was hit with a ball in the 1920s. Just because we have head gear now doesn't mean it won't or can't happen again. Players have been hit in the face even recently. I'm honestly shocked we haven't had more serious head injuries. Considering how hard they throw now as well. It's irresponsible to have a manager instigate events like this. I much prefer when the teams simply brawl because almost always they just push each other around and yell. Hard to believe anyone will really get hurt that way.
Quick note: I believe you were trying to reference the brawls between the pirates and reds who are division rivals. Quite often the biggest brawls are between in division rivals especially if they are both pushing for the playoffs things can get out of hand quickly.
Love the Phil Nevin stuff...he was maybe the best college baseball player when I was in high school.
One of those guys that just keeps popping up over the history of baseball.
Yess!!! Thank you! Glad I lobbied for this one. Now that you enjoyed this watch Red Sox vs yankees brawl with Joe Kelly pitching
An Opener is also known as a "Spot-Starter" essentially it's a Long Relief Pitcher who can start a game if needed, either due to injuries to the starting rotation,or rest.
You guys are a good time. Keep it up!
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Winker used to play for my favorite team. He's awesome
Love this Arnold! Crazy he charged them all
@@DNReacts crazy
Yo Angel's are MAAAAD shit stirrers.
Edit p.s. I absolutely love Iglesias' reaction to getting the hook, he made sure he got his money's worth 🤣
I don't think they were in the right, but neither were the Mariners. Winker started the whole thing. Wantz was getting thrown out either way, Winker didn't have to rush the Angels dugout like he did. Lorenzen was not trying to hit Upton in that earlier clip, Upton was one of the worst hitters in the league (trust me I know I'm an Angels fan and he was awful) at that point. Why would you give him a free base? I get the Angels being mad about the pitch to Trout cause he's the best player in the league.
@@thatkristiandude4048 Winker didn't throw the first punch, Rendon did.
Also, it's weak as hell to be mad about Trout and not Upton. I don't care how good he is. Either it's intentional and you protect your teammate, or it's an accident and you're a sportsman about it. How are you going to get revenge because a guy was trying to compete? Are we just gonna throw soft stuff to everyone's best hitters and save the hard stuff for guys that suck because it makes less of a difference to the win-loss record they get concussed?
I understand it's not pleasant to have a fastball come that close to your face, but it's part of the game he signed a contract to play. When I was a security guard I didn't like people yelling at me, but it was part of what I signed up for and it didn't give me the right to try to hurt anyone.
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There are an increase in hit batsmen due to pitchers having to change their dynamic because of the pitch clock. Their natural rhythms have been disturbed because the commissioner believes that baseball takes up too much time.
Thanks for this, be interesting to know what impact the pitch clock is having this season. Scoring is definitely up.
Agree.
Completely unrelated to the Jomboy video.😅 The NFL 2023 schedule is being released at 8:00 EDT Thursday this week on the NFL Network. 1:00 am Friday in the UK by my calculation.
Winker,Upton, and Toro were more than likely traded because this fight.The same happened to Brad Miller who was explosively violent. It doesn't go with the family clubhouse the Mariner's have built. For the Mariner's "If you make the kids cry, kiss your contract goodbye." JP Crawford stayed because those punches were clean, and he has a golden glove!
The Mariners that year were hit by opposing pitchers far more often then Mariners pitchers hit the other team. One of Our All Stars, Tye France was hit over 22 times in that year alone.
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At the time of the brawl, the Angels were a quite a few games up on the Mariners who weren't even above 0.500 at the time. The Mariners then went on the longest wins streak of the season by any team and broke their playoff drought, while the Angels collapsed and didn't even have a winning season.
The angels pitcher Lorenzen hitting in the guy in the head on a previous game was a really bad day for him. he walked like 7 and hit 2 in 3 innings. Had absolutely no control at all that day. I don't even think the pitch was set up in when he hit them.
You guys should watch the Jomboy breakdown of the Yasiel Puig and Amir Garrett brawl from a few years ago.
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I fricken love these!
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Angels manager Phil Nevin is a gutless coward who removed the scheduled starter for a goon who came in to throw at Julio and Winker. After this fight he said he hoped the fight would give his team a spark. Instead the Mariners went on a big winning streak and the Angels collapsed. Nevin orchestrated this whole thing and did get suspended, but not long enough. His decisions put players from both sides at risk. As far as the dancing going on on the field the night before, Seattle had been doing that all year after every win, home or away. It was not targeted at the Angels.
The Mariners absolutely did not start it. There's a zero percent chance that pitch at Trout was intentional. You simply would never throw at someone in that situation in a close game. It was just simply a bad pitch that the Angels got sensitive about
If y'all want to see a memorable baseball scuffle or two look up Pedro Martinez vs Don Zimmer and look up Kyle Farnsworth. Don't need to clarify for Farnsworth, it's that obvious which one it is
Love these videos guys!
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Thanks, Angels. After a close loss the next day, we won 15 of 16 including 14 in a row while y'all continued your freefall into irrelevancy despite having 2 of the best 3 players in all of baseball
A day or so after this happened, someone posted online a picture of a young girl maybe 5 years old who was crying in the area Winker gave the middle finger to. It was regretfully hilarious. And no doubt she didnt recognize the middle finger but was frightened by all the adults yelling at Winker back with F-Bombs. And she has like a Winker t-shirt on to cap it off. Aww baseball. I would just sit back, eat my hotdog and watch the madness.
Totally makes me want to watch more Baseball! 🤘
Servais was kind of a tough guy catcher in his playing days so it sort of makes sense
Whoooo!!! I'm Like Number Six Hundred and Sixty Six! The Thumbs Up of the Beast! Up The Irons!!!! Sorry guys, couldn't help it. Another awesome video!
If no one gave you the after story, Jessie Winker was ejected,, then a Mariners fan was so appreciative they had pizza delivered to the clubhouse for him. Just legendary
Winker wanted to fight the whole Angels bench and that is what lit a fire under the Mariners ass to get into the play offs last year.
Would love to see you react to Nolan Ryan vs. Robin Vetura for a classic MLB brawl.
Hysterical
Team Building exercise for the angels
Old school
Bring a pitcher up just to hit few players.
The two teams have issues with each other
Great vid by Jomboy, great reaction by youz guyz! ⚾️👍
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It's pretty wild but you guys are like legit baseball fans now. I might start asking for DraftKings advice. Keep up the great work! Rays up!
Plenty of great bench clearing brawls to react to .
Jomboy is a riot
Ohtani and ippei, his translator pull one guy out of the pile 🤣
Y’all need to watch Jomboy’s video about Rougned Odor and Jose Bautista fight
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When you said youve been watching the angels and their pitching has been sketchy and maybe 5-6 hit batters, ill just say this: Hit by pitches arent super uncommon especially when youre pitching at such high velo and adding spin to the ball. It can easily get away from you. Youll generally see a hit pitch every couple of games, sometimes every other game. Most times its not intentional, but you can generally tell based on the situation/context, and what body part got hit/aimed at.
The rule in most American sports, don’t hurt the star players. Julio Rodriguez on the mariners and Mike trout are super stars. Fight fight fight haha
Another interesting not about the brawl: Coming into the season, the Mariners were supposed to be really good and were expected to break their 20 year playoff drought, the longest in American sports. The Angels were expected to be mediocre and most people didn't think they had a shot at the postseason. This game was around 50 games into the season, and at the time the scrpit was completely flipped. The Angels were playing very well and the Mariners had been pretty awful all year, the hope of them making the playoffs was pretty much gone. Immediately after the brawl though, the Angels hit a major bump, started playing very poorly, and never recovered. The Mariners on the other hand completely turned it around and went on a hot streak, going on a 14 game winning streak shortly after, and was one of the best teams in baseball the rest of the season The M's ended up making the playoffs, the Angels didn't. It seemed to have an opposite effect on both teams. Angels completely fell apart after the brawl, while it electrified the Mariners and immediately turned their season around.
Very entertaining
As a Mariners fan, this fight was the turning point of our season last year that led the Mariners to finally breaking the longest playoff drought in US Sports. The only downside was that Phil Nevin didn't catch a fist to the face. Dude has no place managing an MLB team. Retaliation like this is bush league crap. You want to return a bean ball in the same game, fine, but it doesn't carry over day to day. Shitty way to run your team. Joke show manager for a joke show franchise.