Monopoly’s Dirty Secrets: Theft, Erasure and Capitalism | Extra Credits Gaming
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Did you know that the board game Monopoly-yes, the iconic capitalism simulator-was originally designed to warn against capitalism? Ironically, the game we play today was shaped by the very forces it sought to critique. So how did an anti-capitalist teaching tool transform into a symbol of the system it opposed? From political parodies to endless reskins, Monopoly's journey is as twisted as a game of chance 🎥🕹️
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To be fair, Monopoly go has nothing in common with pokemon go aside from the go in the name. it is rather a copy of Coinmaster which is an insidious skinner box numbers go up game with hostile monetization.
You could probably make a dark pattern episode of 30 minutes just with what is used in that game. Just as bad as raid shadow legends.
Buen video, sería como advertir no convertir en infiernos planetas habitables rocosos de 0.5g, 1g, 1.5g y 2.0g del grupo local de galaxias y sin embargo el ser humano por sus huevos querer su mundo infernal, así como no usar y abusar del poder de civilizaciones tipo 1, 2, 3 y 4 y aun así hacerlo, como poder crear planetas con mejor tecnología que titan ae y comenzar a jugar a ser dios con tu galaxia sin saber que mueves de órdenes que ignoras de tu galaxia o podrías estarte auto destruyendo por tu ignorancia del funcionamiento de los sistemas complejos de tu galaxia al solo crear planetas habitables rocosos donde no hay, sugerencia.
No me extrañaria ver que los manipuladores y materializadores del cielo y del infierno sepan ser más prudentes con sus galaxias así como los robots de Isaac assimov, sugerencia.
Por cierto, crear versiones de tercer fundacion colapso del bronce en el espacio luego de la fundación de Isaac assimov y dune de frank herbert del colapso romano o asirios en el espacio, adaptado a cada país y cultura occidental primero y luego de oriente y Oriente medio creo que sería una mala idea por los costos de localización y adaptar escribir versiones de la historia donde los medio occidentales y occidente estén cabildeando el pensamiento de civilizaciones tipo 1, 2, 3 y 4 del grupo local de galaxias, sugerencia.
My parents worked for a game company called CANADA GAMES and they created a game called RAT RACE which is basically a three tiered monopoly where you work from blue collar to executive
I like to interpret the moment of every monopoly game where people get angry, quit/ mess up the board in frustration as a metaphor for 'Revolution'. Tho I know it wasn't intended for people to rage quit, it works well as a symbol of what happens when a system is so unfair & crushing that people can't 'make a living' in the game. People flip the table, knock over the pieces, scatter the money & assets all over the place & then the players try to rebuild & put it all back together. They make new rules, change the board, etc but more often than not just stop playing entirely. The rage quit aspect of the game is very metaphorical.
They could include a Face the Revolutionary Tribunal card stack.
Makes sense.. I mean scattering the game and having everyone decide to quote playing after is a perfect metaphor for when the revolution completely topples the current system and leads to everything being left in a shambled mess
Could always add a house rule where, every time a monopoly is formed, a "seize the means of production" card is added to both Chance and Community Chest decks. Upon drawing one of the cards, all players' properties are placed in a communal pile, any rents from people landing on those properties are divided equally throughout the whole group and houses/hotels are placed as the result of a vote and everyone pitches in on their cost based on a percentage of their current funds.
@@meatharbor Interesting…
I love this interpretation of the game: it aligns perfectly with the aim of the original game. The fact that Monopoly has become synonymous with family arguments and broken friendships show the dangers of its namesake.
How monopolistic and corporate Monopoly has become is one of the greatest ironies in history.
“Capital has the ability to subsume all critiques into itself. Even those who would critique capital end up reinforcing it instead"
Oh how I love Joyce Messier
Riding my Jolls Joyce rn
Bernie Sanders being a millionaire and owning multiple mansions comes to mind.
@@palladin9479 not quite, think mass-produced Che Guevara T-shirts
@@jaimepujol5507 More like using Che Guevara to sell self help books or champion social causes.
lol speaking of this, my great aunt was actually one of the people who pitched the idea of Sorry to the American creators and helped design the version seen today. Just she kind of got stricken out of the record due to being a Nicaraguan woman who lived in Massachusetts. She even had the letters and patents to prove it before she quietly passed from COVID a couple. years ago
Big companies can be real dicks sometimes, just out of racist/sexist reasons, both of which are utter bull.
Her story should definitely be told on a grander scale. Thanks for mentioning it. Got my curiosity going.
Honestly, if you have all that documentation you should definitely seek some activist journalists to tell her story.
@@ggwp638BC I'll reach out to my cousin. The thing is that she did get $$$ for it and other benefits from sale. She just doesn't get the credit for it since she was simply just a preschool teacher in Andover, MA
bless, that's horrible.
peace to her and your family
You missed the most important trivia of all, which is that Milburn Pennybags, or Mr. Monopoly as he is commonly known, does not and never has worn a monocle. 😂
A modern game-designer.. that defend Monopoly's design??
No I HAVE to hear that take.
Straight from Extra History to this! I love this format delving into game history!!
Thank you! We had a great time doing this double episode with the channels!
So Monopoly would have never become what it is now without mods, we could say.
In my family, the house rule we use is that, when you land on Free Parking, you throw a dice. If you get evens, you draw a Chance card. If you get odds, you draw a Community Chest card.
That's a good alternative to the "just put the pay-out money in the middle for 'free parking' winnings."
@@skyden24195 Its oft meant to be like an example of tax/benefits, but it fails in doin such by bein 1:1. If instd it was like; pay out 10% of whats been paid in (or maybe even 10% of everyones profits so far) when landed on, then it wud at least better represent the redistribution of resources that tax/benefits are supposed to be
I kind of like that house rule.
we had one house rule for Monopoly:
"in this house, we don't play Monopoly"
@@recurvestickerdragon It's a good rule, especially when there are better games out there. Hasbro has become overrated as of late.
The irony of a Monopoly Go ad popping up before this video XD
Really? That's awesome.
I have Star Wars Monopoly. What's funny is the instruction manual says something like "Don't change the rules. The game is balanced and meant to only last 1-2 hours. Don't put money on parking"
THEY'RE MAKING A MONOPOLY MOVIE!?! God I hope Jim Carrey at least gets a cameo... "Thanks for the free parking..."
I was also surprised to learn that, but then again, you can make movies just about everything, and both Pokémon and Mario have proven that video game movies can be successful, so I probably *shouldn't* be surprised.
@@wikiuser92 It worked for "Clue"! (As far as board games are concerned.)
Ace Venture: When Nature Calls!
Heck, they've already made a Battleships movie.
"Do not pass go, do not collect $200"
My dad legit has an entire bookshelf in his game room (which contains over 1000 board games) that is nothing but variants of Monopoly (and some Trivial Pursuit).
nice. I have a few Monopoly versions, but definitely not a bookshelf full. Which would you consider to be the most surprising or unique of the versions your dad has?
Having been an Extra History fan for years and years, it feels wierd that the main channel with all the gaming content is now Extra History; while the side channel is Extra Credits.
Yeah I know right the history stuff pretty much took over the main channel
History is more interestin than game design, heh
@@SylviaRustyFae I think they're both interesting, there's just more history to explore than game design.
You either die as a hero or live long enough to become the villian.
And even then, it's not guaranteed you'll stay a hero.
A great example of this is the emperor of the Romans Heraclius
I like capitalism
@@-NovaRoma. Not to be confused with the Greek Heraclitus who died a stupid death.
@@JamesDavy2009 I don't know him but okay
Now I wanna play Maggie's Landlord Game
I've been clicking back and forth from the extracredits and the extrahistory video for a while now, when does it end?
Not only do I think free parking house rules make the game worse, I also think that is the single biggest reason so many people hate the game. It makes you feel better in the moment, but it also extended the game time, often by several hours.
I sometimes consider it the worse widely known house rule.
Not the worst house rule for Monopoly, but the worst house rule in any game.
It's just like so many games of the time. You throw dice and walk your pawn the amount of spaces shown and deal with the consequences
You literally just get to sit around a table to watch a game play itself. The only true interaction with the game is when you do the auction and buy houses.
@@whoeveriam0iam14222 Let me guess: You are still puzzled why the kid that kept 'losing' trades was the one that won most of the games.
The trading of properties and the manipulation of the housing supply are both vital parts of the game's strategy.
@@chakatfirepaw I've never seen much strategy to monopoly. Just buy property.
@@mesplin3 That's like thinking that you only get information in Clue when someone shows you a card.
First point of strategy: When do you buy for list price and when do you let things go to auction?
Second point of strategy: What properties do you trade for and what is worth giving for them?
Third point of strategy: When do you time building hotels so as to not make it possible for others to also build them?
I love how every attempt people try to make the game easier, softer, more "friendly" just makes it so there's more chances for it to drag on and be crueler.
Like if the end goal is just who's got the most property when all are owned, that'd be one thing to keep cycling money. But monopoly with it's standard rules is a game of being absolute ruthless and that's the kindest thing you can do to your other players.
You forgot "Monopoly Deal" - which is the only version I'll play.
Hope an episode on Kriegspeil can be made. It is the ancestor of both professional wargames used by militaries in trainf and the hobbyist one which include real battles and fantasy ones like Warhammer and Battletech. RPG's can be argued to be influemced by it.
"Created to criticize capitalism
But in the time he transitioned
To the actual villain
Couldn't make any change
So exchanged it for pennybags
Giving back to the system he was
Tasked to get rid of"
-Julius Pringles
i only lost that beauty pageant because 1st was a cat
I find it funny how almost every household has a different way of playing monopoly now. Like, my family has something we call Mafia Monopoly where we could make deals with the other players for our own profits
Kind of disappointed Georgism wasn't mentioned at all since that was the political objective of the game not rent control
They say she was a Georgist but round off what that means to being about "out of control rent"
Very disappointing indeed
Wasn't that the idea of taxes based on land or something?
What is Georgism?
@@Echodonut It's an economic system where you get rid of all taxes and replace it with a single one that taxes the unimproved value of land. This is kind of an oversimplification but basically all land is commonly owned and people who want to use specific tracts of land pay the tax based on what it is worth. The nice thing is it eliminates unproductive uses of land like sitting on a vacant lot in speculation it will become more valuable in future.
@@ChristianColglazier tax=theft
Was this video edited to be fast or does our lovely host have a shot at becoming the next Micro Machines Man? I thought my video playback was cranked up. :p
TL;DR: Original Landlord's Game was anti-land-monopoly, not any-capitalist! It didn't advocate for rent-control (which in economics is something else entirely).
Great video, thank you! But I need to make an important clarification: The Landlord's Game was specifically about Georgism and the dangers of land monopoly, and not rent control - that is something different entirely!
Further, land was/is not capital (especially in that era of political economy!); as such, The Landlord's Game was anti-monopoly, but not anti-capitalist.
Is it possible to play the original landlord's game? Having a separate way to make money sounds fun
I’d love to see an episode about Henry George ;)
The Danish version of Monopoly is called "Matador" (aka big business person), and has slightly different rules and looks.
Ok, now I need a follow up video with Eddy's defense of the Monopoly rules.
It's almost certainly based around how the things people complain about are really about the impact of common house rules and people failing to understand the basics of trading, (i.e. that you aren't trying to 'win' the trade but rather that a trade gives you both an edge on everyone else).
The three main problematic house rules are:
1: The Free Parking jackpot, which removes the inherent money bleed in the game and replaces it with a net flow of money from the bank to the players.
2: Adding extra houses and hotels and/or allowing you to build hotels directly. The game has 32 houses and 12 hotels, no more, and building a hotel requires you to have four houses actually built on all properties in the monopoly. Locking up the housing supply is part of game strategies.
3: Forgetting that any time someone lands on an unowned property, they either buy it or it goes up for auction. The only way someone doesn't end up owing it is if no one is willing to pay $1 for it, (and given that, if nothing else, you can get at least $30 from mortgaging it...).
nice to see someone covering the origins of Monopoly. just want to say that Georgists do not think rent control is the solution. George's remedy is the Land Value Tax. it is assessed based on the unimproved value of land, not the property on top of it. it doesn't restrict free trade. George was also against patents and thought copyrights should have a very limited time length (some Georgists think copyrights should be abolished as well).
taxs are theft
my least favorite part of those IP Monopoly's
is that you usually buy characters, instead of locations from that IP
YES! *THANK YOU!*
That only worked with FNAF and BoJack Horseman. And with MLP, the Jr version did characters, but the main version had locations.
I got a add for monopoly go during this video
I had the Monopoly Spongebob edition as a kid. Got it for a birthday present. The cover was SpongeBob’s face with holographic eyes.
One of my favorite versions of monopoly is a card game “Monopoly Deal” that scratches the monopoly itch I get but much faster 15-30 min depending on number of players and how much they have played the game.
In Costa Rica, we have a Knock-off called "Gran Banco", It sold big all over central america during the 70s and 80s.
This seems like an episode that could just as well have been an hour long
Well I'm pretty sure I spotted a Gympie edition at the local toy store. Good to know we're right up there with London, New York, Paris and Rome. We had a Stock Exchange stickover for the Free Parking space on our version as a kid, you could buy one share of about five companies when you landed on it. It becomes a hell of a lot more lucrative passing that space than Go.
Don't forget Tropical Tycoon Monopoly (best monopoly) which adds a DVD component with victory points and 90 minute playtime!
There are weather and tourists that influence multiple types of improvements you can build, and each player gets a role which is involved in local news segments on the DVD.
Even my school had its own edition of Monopoly when I was a kid. It was official and everything.
I would love it if you could get Lars Doucet, former game developer who has applied Georgist ideas to games, to guest-write an episode. There's much more to it than anti-capitalism and there are fascinating applications to in-game economies!
Hey, my mom went to Earlham College and I actually live nearby, didn't expect the name drop here, very cool!
Though I must correct that the "h" in Earlham is silent.
4:44 Getting money for free parking makes the game take *longer* whether or not it’s more fun
Please. I would love to hear a video about Eddie defending the game design of monopoly
Money going on free parking makes the game take LONGER because it adds more money into the system, and the game ends when players run out of money.
Is there a ruleset floating around for that co-op version? That sounds kinda interesting these days
Played this game multiple times with my family as a kid. We never finished it, though, because the rules of the late game were a bit complex and/or time-consuming.
Bold of your guest to defend Monopoly's mechanics. I agree with the sentiment that "the reason so many people claim to hate board games is because their main exposure was Monopoly".
The last time I played it, I just straight up gave up. Because It was 2 AM, I was barely hanging on and unable to do anything, and I was just plain not having fun anymore. XD
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I think we can all agree with want an episode on Dragon Cop now.
Thank you for not trying to paint darrow as sympathetic. He was in on it and profited from the theft and, to my knowledge, showed no remorse for it.
he was in the right that lady was a filthy leftist trying to hurt capitalism
Two things I'd like to mention:
1. Despite Parker Brothers attempt to take credit away from the women who were the original and contributing designers of "Monopoly, they (Parker Bros.,) like anyone else who seeks to deceive, should know that time is the ultimate snitch and truth will be told. (And you never know how much damage that truth may bring to the deceivers. Could be reputation damage; could be worse.)
2. I love "Monopoly," but am definitely against the "free parking" house rule as it does drag out the game if not make it completely impossible to finish. Also, I have several different versions of the game, both official and bootleg, ranging from Star Wars and Pirates of the Carribean, to my home cities' created knock-off version.
I never played Monopoly, but this was still interesting.
Georgism wasn't anti-capital as it was understood at the time but was against monopoly and rent seeking and bothered to make the distinction.
I swear a land value tax dividend is a better idea now than ever.
Land value tax and rent control are economic policies with differing effects.
We know that rent controls don't work, because, either you want it or not, housing is a commodity, and it's subject to market rules. Land is also a commodity that have not been treated as such and a tax on it could be interesting, because there is no incentive on people to make use of that commodity, as you have for all other goods.
tax=theft
@@t.xaviersalgado4106 Rent controls work just fine. If landlords decide to sell off their units because they're "not getting enough rent," then guess what?
That just makes property cheaper, so you end up with fewer renters and more property owning residents, which should be the entire goal.
Rent control shouldn't just be about keeping rents low. It should be about forcing landlords to stop being landlords and sell to the people who actually live in the home instead.
@@wasd____ they don't control, in Portugal and Greece the rents were controlled and the owners didn't sell their property, they just let it deteriorate, until they get their asking price for sale (as most of them don't depend on rents to live).
Again, they didn't stand to lose anything with rent controls.
@@t.xaviersalgado4106 Okay so put taxes on properties that owners aren't actually resident in to create incentives to sell. Or do any of a bunch of other things to encourage sales of surplus property.
This is not an intractable problem, you're just pointing at individual bad implementations and pretending it can never work because sometimes it didn't get done right.
I got a monopoly go ad when I clicked on the video 💀💀💀
I started watching your videos during my freshman year of high-school and I don't think I'll ever get enough >:)
This is the first time I've ever heard of Monopoly Go, where's all that ad money going?
Yay! the history of game design even previous of video games! Sign me up!
Anyone play “The Ungame”? I received a copy as a child in the ‘80s and didn’t play it much, but I was fascinated by the premise and the questions it posed.
And then there's the No Rules Barred channel's Monopoly, But Communist, in which Dom becomes concerningly comfortable with playing the part of The State (the bank, but now a dedicated role).
Transformers as a Movie worked, Battleship did not, Barbie worked, now a Monopoly movie is now in the works?? I do wonder what make it onto a movie screen near you first: Monopoly or Hot Wheels??
I watched adam ruins everything where he talks about the past of monopoly, I will admit, though, I just started on the video, I appreciate you covering this more people need to know the bad effects monopoly has on it's audience and demographics.
💜,💜,💜 this video! Thank you for clarifying some tidbits of this games history. Wish we lived by Rule Set #1. There is a reason she picked that set of rules first.
finally!! well done guys!!
I think you've misunderstood what rent means in this context. It's not the idea of renting something, but rather, the idea of economic rent - money earned by holding on to a fixed supply limited resource (land, natural resources, and so on).
The idea put forward by the landlords game was certainly not rent control, but a tax on land.
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Make an episode about Matt Leacock's Pandemic!
All those in favor of Extra Credits/Extra History doing a piece on Henry George, say "Aye"!
You guys are the Best! Never miss a video❤❤❤❤
Monopoly Go, outside of having "Go" in the title, is literally nothing like Pokemon Go. Like not even the same ball park. Its closer to Board Kings and Coinmaster, or even the original normal version of Monopoly. It is not an AR Collecting Game.
6:06 there’s going to be a monopoly movie?!?
There is even a forever version of monopoly with triple the spaces and a chance to sell your soul
Why is the second channel the main channel and the main channel the second channel?
When i went to this video a monopoly go ad was there
If you want to see some really weird and overly complicated variations of monopoly check out No Rolls Barred's Monopoly But series. It started with them having the idea of communist monopoly and it's just expanded since then into wilder and wilder idea and I adore it. Monopoly but crypto, monopoly but the roman empire, monopoly but in hell are all ones that they've done. I think monopoly but zombies might be my favorite besides communist monopoly
Here in London we have a monopoly restaurant
Czech knockoff has horses and races.
OK I just have to ask, I'm pretty sure the answer is no, but is there any chance that anything for the dragoncop setting you made is available to read, cause i gotta admit to being a sucker for dragons
Yay, I love The Landlord's Game! I printed my own board and cards of it. Small nitpick: I wouldn't say that the game tried to "warn against" capitalism. I'd rather say that it tried to fix capitalism, or warn against doing capitalism badly. This was Marx's critique of Georgism: That it tried to fix capitalism instead of overthrowing it.
Surprise surprise, we didn't do either.
"The eternal hellscape that was McDonald's Monopoly"
*Safeway Monopoly has entered the chat*
Thank you for the video.
You should watch the American Experience episode Ruthless: Monopoly’s Secret History.
Fun episode
Best History for a Kapital Game (sadly).
Had to bring up WB copyrighting the Nemesis system, didn't you?
Now I'm pissed, again!
There is Ghettoopoly (gang version of Monopoly)
Who is the generation who grew up with spinners instead of dice? We always used dice here in Norway, I didn't know there was a (recent?) time when dice apparently weren't a thing in the US.
Connections to gambling? D&D scare? Choking hazard? (Kinder Surprise is banned there for that reason) I'm Australian so I don't know.
good job
Did anyone else get a Monopoly Go ad before the start of the video?
Thanks again
The ad for this video is Monopoly
After your Orc are POC video, I would even doubt when you put a video about an Austrian painter, having a grudge against the long noses.
Has anyone dug up the original rules that the creator intended? Maybe this game would actually be fun if it was played as what it was meant to be.
McDonald's monopoly still exists in Canada once a year 😅
On what planet is Monopoly Go picking up off of Pokemon Go in any way other than including the word "Go" on a mobile game?
i liked NoRollsBarred version of Communopoly, that was fun and funny
You didn't actually put the link to the extra history video in the description...
Yes
The link i clicked took me to a video on monopoly, not save scumming