The Real DCCarGuy Rosenbauer Electric Fire Truck in Washington DC
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
- Electric vehicles are not just cars and pickup trucks. Think big, real big, like a Fire Truck.
We joined the team from Rosenbauer America at Washington DC's Engine Company 3, on Capitol Hill to learn more about this all-electric emergency response vehicle.
Join us to learn more about the future of electric-powered municipal Fire and EMS apparatus.
actually the first 3 RTs were delivered already to Berlin, Amsterdam and Dubai. The one in Berlin runs emergency calls on a daily basis already
I saw it drive in Amsterdam and it is amazing
The 1 in Amsterdam is stationed in Osdorp n is a hybride
But this not wat you normaly see in America🤣
@@Thug-12Na they’re all technically hybrid being they have the range booster
There is already one in regular use in Berlin!
Well technically it is a extended test
@@k.ch.muller1155 but it is in daily operation and to date received very well
One here in Madison WI too! Not this model but electric
Berlin’s Firefighters already have a Rosenbauer RT in Service ( They Call It eLHF in Berlin) which is stationed at the Neukölln Branch.
Guys relax. It's the European version of a fire engine. The American version will have way more US flags all over the truck and way more polished chrome.
whyyyyy :(
@@miles5600 it’s a demonstrator. Look at all the equipment. European hoses and couplings and stuff.
@@azschalter yeah ok, but they should really turn away for the chrome and so many flags and get a little more modern.
and those spinny things in the front! :D
@@yourmomlmao9638 yeah fr
Probably the biggest advantage is that it's a euro style truck and thus is a lot more compact. This will make it easier to get through heavily congested streets while still having every thing you need on board.
Definatly that's also the reason why europian vehicles are just superior, you have so much stuff in them and they are still super compact
I agree Americans will have to get used to downsizing appliances as streets give more space to cyclists.
Nice to see American fire appliances getting real and adopting the standard truck chassis instead of one of those oversized monsters with acres of chrome. Far better for city fire departments.
Fire house forums will be livid
We will get them soon as a regular rig !! Greetings from Austria 🇦🇹 the home of Rosenbauer
I never thought of the importance of reducing sound for the purpose of communication and stress reduction! Also that light on the top side might be taking the light bar trend to a new level! Great video as always.
Until you think about it, then you realize, of course, there is a lot of noise happening at emergency scenes.
The side Bar light is already verry common in europe. Indeed many aspects of this truck are already existing in some European trucks
@@niklas03korte Like tight handling. Well thought out compartments, no frills appearance
@@TheRealDCCarGuy I would likely assume that European appliances are de facto worldwide. Hope Dennis is revived and Timoney gets back into appliance building
They already use trucks like that in Germany
Cool
Interesting
American trucks are ancient already, this just makes them look even older
Ancient but reliable.
@DJ Plays As if city water plants don't use electric pumps, cruise ship propulsion doesn't use electric azimuth thrusters and literally every megawatt-scale thermal power plant don't use water to produce electricity, all with reliability absolutely eviscerating that of an internal combustion engine. Detonating dinosaurs for rotational power is legacy power.
@DJ Plays we didn't see a demo of it's pumping water, kinda important that
I totally agree
Looks don't mean anything, goofball. Function over form when you're talking about fire equipment.
In Austria they are already driving
Will need about 200 more disco lights to make it "Murica" Fire truck compliant.......
not true, it has a lil Generator in case the battery is low
It is also capable of doing the crab-walk which is insane.
One of the benefits of Electrification with motors at each wheel
would be awesome on a ladder put a bit pointless on a non ladder truck
Istanbul has had crabbing fire trucks for at least 20 years , built on spartan chassis.
@@hausaffe100 Here ladders are always carried
@@MrBonafida Could you fit a spartan down dublin streets
I prefer the pierce enforcer electric truck
I like how the pierce Voltera looks better.
Just looked I agree!
everything looks like its behind a door of some sort on the Rosenbauer
@@sixpest the Rosenbaur dosent even look like a fire truck, the voletera looks so much better
@@hagerstownredline5274 ikr that looks like some vehicle from cyberpunk or watchdogs its a little too futuristic.
It also looks like a city bus I would not move out of its way at first.
@@hagerstownredline5274 that is just the europian concept of fire trucks which will be the future
Das Fahrzeug ist echt super 👍🏻 finde eh das mehr Europäische Fahrzeuge in der USA mehr Einsatz finden könnten.
It looks very futuristic and high-tech.
This will be an amazing start. But the technology isnt there yet for a busy department. It will be awesome to see where we are in 20 years.
Well the Berlin Fire Service IS rather busy. They are using this exact type for a extended field test with very promising results so far
Why not? This thing is basically an upsized Chevy Volt in terms of powertrain...
Can’t wait for this to be on the streets of dublin
Most fire depts in the u.s/Canada over use there fire trucks, in most places around the world it's rare to see a fire truck/engine since they are reserved for fire, big crashs, etc. while ambulances are police cars respond to all other emergencys (they even had small ambulance motorcycles and cars for first response to a medicle emergency
Thank you for updating us on Electric Fire Trucks, this concept is awesome. looking forward to seeing them at our local Fire House!
Wdym they look like shit!
Sorry I cant put your house out.. Batteries died 🤷♂️🤣🤣
Pierce - get it. You can do the old school style. But not the future. If I look in the inside of the Rosenbauer truck (the cab), this is FUTURE in the best way. Not "just another bulky truck".
I believe rosenbauer will be forced to convert the electric engine to their commander chassis if they want to reach communities outside of big cities and compete with pierce
It will be really interesting to get the first field reports from departements running the CFT.
There are 3 CFT´s in action. for example in berlin
@@der_olle_bambam9073 I know, but they didn't return with any quantifyable experiences, yet. I mean, we know that they didn't stop using them after the first incident, so they must work at least somewhat okay, but that shouldn't be the meassure for firefighting apparatus. I'm looking forward for the first full report on how they performed in regular duty.
@@QemeH so far the guys in Berlin like their's a lot from what I've heard.
Coming from a firefighter, theres a lot of concerns i have for this truck, main problem being is everything is electronic, from the truck to the pumping system… traditionally on older pumpers everything is manuel, the valves, the throttle… the benefit of that is i have control of everything… and on these electrics a computer is in control… not me… which means if a sensor, or a circuit shorts out, the entire pump could shut down and could kill one of my firefighters… as ill say on behalf of 99 percent of pump operators out there, i dont like not being in control of my pump… and im not gonna lose a firefighter just because a sensor failed all in the name of “environmental friendly”…
thing is, also modern diesel powered trucks have a ton of electronics where you barely have actual control over the pump with manual valves etc
@@EnjoyFirefighting yes but that comes as a option in the design phase, i dont have to have any of that electrical stuff on the pump… when my department purchased our new 2020 spartan, we chose to not get things like electric valves, electric govener, etc… not just because of the possibility of failure, but because overtime that equipment wears and eventually has to be replaced, an electric valve for a 2 1/2 Inlet for example is about $1000 whereas on a manual valve if something messes up it can be just a $20 fix and it’s even something I can fix at the station rather than having to be sent off, and be without a engine for Weeks
I mean as a policy analyst and a climate activist I like this concept but for a fire engine especially you do need to have manual backups. The idea of a computerized mirror is needlessly technoified.
What is it with y'all being afraid of being electrified? Why not use a horse, petrol is flammable after all, don't want to loose an entire crew because their truck blew up!
Cool concept: it is entirely practical for a firetruck to "run" off a car charger, though cable range may be an issue (given that high currents typically don't like long wires). Europe is seeing 350kW charging station adoption, which would be 469HP available to the vehicle for pumping; in line with most larger firetruck engines. Assuming a nearby charger was available, the firetruck could pump nonstop, likely limited only by maintenance intervals.
it has a gasoline generator on board that can charge the batteries and run the truck systems if extended runtimes are needed. Think of it as an upsized chevy volt
the 3 units already in Testservice in Berlin (Germany), Amsterdam (Netherlands), and Dubai are all equipet with highpower DC chargers for charging at the Firehouse. on this testunit ist a normal 22KW Typ-2 charger, because of different Chargerplug in the US and Europe
In Australia the Australian Capital Territory is getting one of those
It looks like a fire truck from a different country with the weird lights
It is a European design. Tje lights can easily be adapted to the American system tho.
Die Europäer sind was Design angeht nicht stehengeblieben. 😂
It's a European based fire truck built to European specifications, that's why it has blue lights and stuff
How do they do in sub-zero weather ? I have a Chevy Volt and it runs well on electric but, anytime the temps get to 32 or less the gas motor automatically kicks in.
It is like any EV range is affected by temperature, not sure if they have a battery heating and cooling system like some EVs do.
it has been tested beyond the arctic circle in Norway .... no problem at all
Basel in Switzerland ordered 4, and we are evaluating one atm
What’s the pump hours on a charge? Can it sit on a working fire and pump at full pressure? And then leave that fire and go across the city on a 2nd or 3rd call one right after the other?
probably not.... but you know, it uses fossil fuels to recharge itself while on mission. so totally not emissions free. because we all know about those huge industrial fires that last for hours and hours on end. or like you said, jumping from call to call without being able to return for a charge.
To add to this: how would this handle in adverse terrain (ie: brush fires and the like)?
@DJ Plays Electric vehicles are engineered to be water tight. In fact, they are designed to be completely submerged without electrocution occurring.
@@jerrybutler605 From an engineers' perspective: Better than normal apparatus, since it has all wheel drive, all wheel steering, a raisable suspension and a far lower centre of gravity due to the battery pack low down in the truck. if this is entirely true in practice I don't know, but in theory it should be superior in all handling aspects offroad
@@jerrybutler605 its high is setable so thats no problem
Try looking at and adjusting your audio levels before publishing. Your viewers will thank you for it.
That is what we are working on now. This video was done in the midst of a tech and style change over.
Definitely cool but needs more prominent lighting
no it's blue led lighting and you don't need so much lighting as the old us rigs have cause the blue led lights are well visible in every part of the day.
@@miles5600 eh maybe
@@youmadbro742 have you seen them live?
They hauled the thing in there on a flat bed. It has a gas engine to power it when the battery goes dead. Where do they put the 1200 feet of supply lines and the hand lines. and the Suction sleeve.? No ladders? no Wagon Pipe? What is the pump capacity and how long can it pump at capacity without the gas engine kicking in.?
diesel apparatus are often hauled on a flatbed as well ...
I don't know how this DC is laid out, but there's a Rosenbauer America video showing off the one that went to LA and they have everything and then some. If you think European style trucks lack equipment compared to American ones I really can't help you...
What does the siren sound like
I guess like the normal German sirens because it’s just a prototype.🤔
The siren is not the main focus of this demo vehicle. You can literally slap any type of siren on any type of vehicle.
There are departments that have Qs on their cars and electric sirens on their big rigs
Tatüüü tataaaa
And what produces all the electricity in the future?? The little generator in the back cabinet
Amazing! A euro fire truck in America!
L eurocity ha una capacità di 1500 (ed é pochissimo) questo ne porta da 250 a 1000... figuriamoci che schifo
A lot of salty dogs hate it, I assume rosenbauer will be forced to translate the electric engine to their commander chassis to reach communities other than big cities that force their firemen to be more progressive. It seems promising however
@@sigsourr the have an us branch, which will then adopt it for series production
@@Neuzahnstein Adopt what? Whatever you said was way too vague to make any sense out of it
Love it, cant hear the commentary... but boy is that music aduible.
Mmm….still confused. What about if, vehicles are not design for all hazards operations such as, flash floods, or water rescue operations. Just asking🧐
They are desinged to work with such things
Would be nice if u had a bit better volume on that mic ots quite a bit low
I want to see what happens when the sub zero temps with windchills were they are on the street pumping what happens to them then and how much more will the cost over what were using now..
They will do better as an „normal“ truck as qn battery does not care about the temps really
probably much cheaper in a few years, the drivetrain will last much longer
@@aswisshuman637 and firetrucks are usually in a heated shed, cold starting diesel engines is much more struggle
This operates on fossil fuel..recharges on the power grid that is powered by fossil fuel. How long does it take to recharge, hours not minutes to fill a fuel tank. So, now have to buy three electric to cover one diesel unit. How does that save the environment?
Emission free-aside from when it runs the backup diesel generator, will presumably last longer than the average 15 year lifespan of a fire apparatus, electricity is generally more sustainable in general and can be obtained from a number of sources
@@sigsourr Your missing what I'm saying. If you drain the batteries down it takes hours to recharge...that unit is out of service. Another unit must replace it. If your going to run a diesel engine to supplement the electricity from the batteries what is the point?
Don't get me wrong (CZcams keeps my answered short) keep trying, keep studying but we are in a infancy on electrical power.
Valid point. You might want to have a look at Emergency One's E1 Evo truck, as it is based on a Volvo truck chassis, yet they say its 100% electric. So your point about recharge between multiple calls would be very relative.
What happens if the grid goes down for EMS electric vehicles ? And how many recharge cycles before degradation ?
Guys you are missing the point ..they say specifcly that it has a backup diesel generator so it can punp and drive around even if the batteries are empty but only if the batteries are empty ..in any other case 100% electric
What happens when it runs out of battery where are you at a structure fire and you’ve been battling it for hours getting a truck to go home battery‘s dead what are you do then
basically it is a serielle Hybrid concept
How about plugging it into the electricity grid same as they do to get water...
you still have an backup Diesel. Its desinged so you can cover calls from around 50- 70min (with pump) all electric. After that the backup Diesel comes in to generate Energy for an other 8hours+ and after that you could simply refuel the Diesel. The goal is to go on most calls emmison free, but on some you just can´t. If I get it right the one in service in Berlin has a charging duration from around half an hour to get the batteries full.
on board generator kicks in and runs your vehicle systems while recharging the battery. if you need even more, call a fuel truck to scene just like existing firefighting
Does it have air brakes? If so how do they work without a motor?
The brakes are something you will have to look on their site for, no doubt it has regenerative braking like Electric cars. There are electric motors throughout and a fossil fuel generator onboard to create electricity when needed, much like a Chevrolet Volt.
Electric motor driving a compressor. The motor only runs on demand to top up the air tanks, which probably also provide compressed air for pneumatic tools.
you can drive the compressor with an electric motor same with power-steering air-conditioning water and hydraulic pumps....
@@Sarge084 and can run in the fire station no need to conect external air, one less piece of equipment to brake
Had about 4 cop cars and about 10 firetrucks crushed either strait on or rear ended. If that causes damage to the batteries and they catch on fire the design engineers need this info to build the batteries a better cage...so when the truck gets hit, which they will, they won't catch on fire or leak electrolyte all over the place. There are tons of ways to minimize the after crash effect. Did you ever hear of the Ford pinto?
Petrol and Diesel can also go on fire
Robot trucks next.
Runs with a 288 hp BMW diesel engine, which drives a generator, the battery has only 50 Kwh
The RT does not run with the diesel engine, this is only installed as a safety backup. In Berlin, the RT runs only on the battery in the daily fire service. Only after a couple of major fire did the engine have to be switched on for a few hundred meters on the return journey.
audio on your background commentary (not the face-to-face interview clips of the firemen) is barely audible!!! be it on headphones or speakers!!!!!!
Thank you we are still growing our technical capabilities.
That thing must weigh more than the sun.
That thing must weigh more than my dad.
That thing must weigh more than my responsibility's responsibility.
this weights less than 18 tonnes to be road legal in Europe
@@hausaffe100 That's impressive it don't look that light! Just shows your average idiot like me is not a engineer, Thanks for telling me!
Emergency Vehicles should never be electric. Adding fuel keeps a normal EV running, but it's a wee bit hard to add electricity in the middle of no where.
That's why they have a range extender... as saif over and over again
Agreed! Electric emergency vehicles should not be used until electricity is widely available. Imagine running out of power and not being able to refuel because there is no electricity anywhere nearby. Hopefully one day soon electrical lines can run everywhere so that won’t be an issue. END OF SARCASM
On a long scene, this truck could literally be plugged into a neighbor’s house with an extension cord and run indefinitely. With solar panels on the firehouse, this truck could run in a disaster scenario with no fuel trucks coming into the city. It is more capable than a traditional truck.
The "range extender" is plainly a diesel generator capable to supply the truck with enough power for long operations. You need that truck even longer, supply your diesel to that.
Arguably these EVs will first be in use for urban areas because there its advantages shine.
Then load a cab and chassis truck for generation purposes.
They could have a long cord to plug into a charger for longer shouts
But no one asked the chauffeur of the engine or truck. I'd like to hear their take.
Actually the guy driving is the one who took us through this amazing firetruck.
@@TheRealDCCarGuy I meant the actual current chauffeurs of the engine/truck company, not the white shirts. The 3 Engine and 1 Truck guys.
@@andeusmc2030 Good observation, I need to get rank and file observation on some of these working vehicles.
@@Q4Cars Would love to see what those guys think about this.. The ones driving the apparatus every day and then getting in the driver seat of this. That would make for an interesting video. Thanks for what you're putting up!
Does it come with the European helmets also.
Where is all the hose?
in rolls in the left side compartments 4:06 under the green taps. I Europe hoses are stored in rolls: much faster to deploy due to less friction, then just laying them on top of each other, like in the US.
@@solarissv777 lol can guarantee Europe's stored rolls are not quicker to flow water then an American style preconnected pack.
@@cfl941 Yeah because american departments are notoriously famous for how fast they can have water on the fire right? Hahahhaah
How long can that vehicle pump for at a major fire scene ?
60 to 90 minutes and then a Diesel generator kicks in
With the range extender, which is basically a BMW diesel car motor driving a generator that either recharges the battery or directly powers the pump, it can keep operating for a really long time.
Kinda funny my last name is donnelly and I’m a firefighter / medic in Iowa lol.
Check to see if you have a family connection.
0:01 look at its diesel counterpart
Needs a lot more LED lights!
more than necessary for us on this side of the pond lol
aww thats cute
If I had my company start donate to community we are at !
Experiences after the test with the eLHF at the Berlin Fire Department: czcams.com/video/cLWyrtgiznY/video.html Greetings from Stuttgart (GER)
Looks like a delivery van. All the classic style, design, and character of the American fire truck is gone forever.
Okay let's see a ladder truck
It’s cool and all but I really like current Apparatus better, I hope it doesn’t take over
These would have to have a massive rebuild to suit the way they fight fires
How so? As long as they translate this engine to an Americanized chassis and as a fireman, I honestly don’t see why or how we would have to rebuild. All that would change is that the engine is electric, which comes with many benefits.
@@sigsourr I think changing this to a more American chassis would be a bad idea. European style trucks are a lot more compact which could be beneficial in the congested streets of major cities in the states.
Ok and why? You can load the vehicle with whatever you want.
@@Micsmit_45 if that were the case, I think the fdny would already have done something about it
@@sigsourr that may be the case. However as an outsider looking in it is very obvious that a lot of American firefighting clings to tradition (leather helmets, vastly out dates tactics to name a few) so I wouldn't be surprised if the test favoured euro style engines, but they were not adopted earlier because they don't follow the traditional design.
maybe for europe. in america the traditional ones look better, with the big front bar
They maybe look better but are europian trucks are just superior
Actually, as this truck doesn't have a radiator in front, it can theoretically have a frontal storage compartment, much larger than one, that can be fount in those front bars
greetings from Austria, Rosenbauer´s home base
It's still not fully Electric you still have got a small petrol or gasoline engine onboard there is still a long way to go especially in the UK for full electric vehicles as we don't have the infrastructure
It indeed is fully electric. The diesel engine is just for backup cases. Even in the distant future such a backup solution can't be removed. An emergency vehicle must produce its own power completely independent if it is necessary. Imagine a power shortage, the trucks still need to function probably, or your house burns down.
@@obillen sorry it’s not fully electric it’s HYBRID fully electric means no form of petrol or Diesel engine even as a back up
@@pj6641 that's the definition of hybrid and electric cars, yes. What I meant to say and what they've meant in the video was, the diesel engine isn't needed to function probably, it operates fully electric with the other engine turned off.
If you define it like you mentioned above you're right. Their isn't going to be a fully electric fire truck that only has an electric engine. It is just not working for the reasons I mentioned above. So for now and the future it stays on hybrid.
@@obillen I understand what you are saying but technically it’s classed as false advertising though I mean a fire appliance pumps out 1800 litres of water a minute I would love to see an electric pump emit that type of power to extinguish a fire
@@pj6641 this appliance has the Rosenbauer NH 35 pump wich means it's capable of delivering 3500 l/min at 10 bar and 400 l/min at 40 bar for the fast attack reel. The Berlin fire brigade uses one already in one of it's busiest stations (Mitte) and they fought a fire where 8 cars were ablaze and the diesel generator ( that recharges the batteries, not an engine that drives the weels) kicked in on the way back to the fire station. The guys from the Berlin fire brigade experienced that, also at large, time consuming incidents, the diesel generator is far more fuel saving than a conventional fire engine, since it runs at a fixed rpm.
Where are the Ladders, And Fire Hoses. 5 inch supply and pike poles.
In Europe these are split . .
Why carry a ladder, when you only need water ?
Why carry 5" supply hose to a car fire for which you only need 1500L which is carried in a tank.
@@MrRCGNL Many American Engines Multi Task and are designed to perform Rescues, Medical Calls, and Structural Firefighting. While many Small to Medium Departments Staffing Levels are very low with 3-4 Firefighters per Engine Company. Many engines carry 1000 feet of 3 -5 inch Supply line Mainly for Structural Firefighting. (For Supplying water from a hydrant). They also carry a complement of Ground Ladders (12 Ft, 24ft Extension and 10 ft attic ladders) to perform rescues and climb onto roofs for further Firefighting actions. Depending on what this rig is set for and district it is covering it may or may not need it. But most American Fire Trucks Do.
That's the difference between the US en Eur approach.
In Europe trucks and crews(!) are equiped for their function, althoug the basic truck (In NL a Tank Pumper) carries that wat you mention as well:
Ladders, cutting tools, supply hoses etc.
Carrying 5" supply lines is not of much use in most cases, as the hydrant are hardly capable of feeding them.
But special things like haz-mat etc are carried in special trucks or in pods(*)
When large amounts of water is really needed, they send the Large Water Transport, transported in a standard Pod carrying 6"" hoses which can be deployed with 30kmh and a hydrolic powered submirsible pump (FDNY has them as well, Dutch invention of the late 70s)
Medical assistance is not done by FB, except for cardiac arrest, in which case FB is called as wel as they carry AED and are often faster the ambu.
* Standard containers, which can also be transported by civil trucks, and contain stuff which you don't need often.
Examples: Hazmat, Command Units, Heavy resque, HV pumps, Foam, but also mobile toilets, catering etc. etc.
This was just a demonstrator vehicle with next to no equipment on board, it can carry all the tools necessary to do the job
It depends on the build u need. An TLF can carry all of those
Fire station need install EV charge station
Yes, the fire station in Berlin Neukölln is charging their truck with a CCS station.
European fire trucks are the best.
Unser LHF sieht am besten aus🤚🤣
Da bin ich bei dir ^^
Thais is a rally nice fire trucks.
Whomever comes up with a way to recycle lithium batteries will be comically wealthy.
Technically it is no problem, however it is not economically viable at the moment.
That needs time . . .
congrats someone already is... technology wise it is not much of a problem, other car batteries are not magically simpler to recycle. The demand of recycling of something tied to the expense of the raw materials.
I mean smartphones and computers are being recycled and all those chipsets and wiring is a bitch to recycle in a big way. Lithium car batteries are easy simply because they lend themselves to bigger scale operations.
For a 2 axle truck it's over loaded.
What do you mean by overloaded, the truck in this video is euro spec and they have more strict laws on weight per axle etc
Damn can he back up
meh ill stick with the Pierce electric truck.
This is very cool
It is not an all electric truck. It has a diesel engine for pumping operations
The diesel is for back if the battery is depleted. So far they haven't used it.
Very great idea however it is more designed for European countries.
Disagree your city streets will get smaller as bike lanes and tram lines become common
I am SURE firefighters EVERYWHERE are THRILLED about this..
some department(s) in N. America buy them ...
The batteries will not last 20 years.
I wish that it just looked like a regular fire truck in America
Rosenbauer is an Austrian company. Shame our capital FD choses to buy foreign
They weren't buying forgin, this is simply a demonstrator truck, also rosenbauer has a branch based in America where they build tricks in America, also European specs fire trucks/engines are simply suppoir
German engineering art tja die deutschen 😝👍
not sure about blue light, i think it should be red
Blue lights are brighter and easier to be seen then red lights, blue lights are the standard for all emergency vehicles (police, EMS, fire) in Europ
Having a demo truck go from state to state to show potential capabilities is great. but until it goes out in high stress tests and is constantly running water, filling air bottles, running electric/air tools all at once for hours on end, the practicality of an all electric truck goes away real fast. especially when you take into account travel distances. then throw the need for back to back calls on top of than, recharge times, this concept will not work in major cities, never mind farm country.
Eh .. i think u missed the part where tey point out the backup diesel generator so its just as persistent as any othe diesel engine [:
@@mircotrabbi4069 oh no, this is part of the point im making. it basically negates whole point of being an "electric" vehicle if it needs to constantly run a diesel powered generator to maintain its capabilities.
@@yourmom1189 it really doesnt need tu run on diesel ,,constantly'' it really only needs to, if batteries are empty and those last 2-3 hours under full load if all systems are running on full power abd that only happend one time in germany on a multiple car fire and only on the way back to the station at that so no need to worry...it wont happen anyway in like 90% of the cases or even more
So it will be full electric in neraly 100% of cases
@@mircotrabbi4069 so what youre saying is that it has yet to be put to a real field test for actual fire operations. just a couple weeks ago in illionis, there was a MASSIVE chemical plant fire that burned for some 20 plus hours. In CA, every year there are forest fire that burn thousands of acres and for days and days on end. sure, it may be an okay option for some of the smaller types of situations, like smal l car accidents and various EMS emergencies, but im having serious doubts about big incidents. mass casualties incidents, commercial building fires, large high way pile ups, and then anything in rural areas that take some time to just arrive to.
That’s good to be a no from me
Blue lights? I thought fire service uses red lights in the US? Is the blue light legal?
Red/white and or red/blue mostly but it varies by state
For one, it’s a demo vehicle. They can do whatever they want. 2, it differs by state but there are rigs that sport blue lights
They are used in Germany, where they use blue lights.
@@CityWhisperer naja. Die Teile werden in Österreich gebaut. Und in Berlin fahren die auch mit Österreichischen Kennzeichen rum.
Rosenbauer is a company based in Austria, in Europe Emergency Vehicles only have blue lights.
The most important question is how long will they run on a charge or are all fires restricted by law to 1 hour duration. 🤣🤣
The mast majority of fire last much less than 1 hour. For the miniscule amount that lasts longer, the generator will kick in. Did you even watch the video or just get into the comments straight away to hate on innovation?
@@politedog4959 And what happens when the generator goes down? To have a ladder truck it would take a heck of lot of batteries and we know how environmentally friendly that is. EV is not the only answer to solve all problems. Just like solar and wind are not the only answer.
@@garygeorge9648 that answer makes no sense, because what happend if a engine goes down?
@@Neuzahnstein They maintain the engines so that doesn't happen. If you are on scene for hours the battery will run out. Totally different situations. Have to be a pretty big generator to maintain those batteries for hours. Also now you have to have someone dedicated to watching the generator/battery level instead of fighting the fire. Makes perfect sense.
@@garygeorge9648 because you don't maintain that thing
Its not "all electric", but that is because sigh you can't make an all electric fire truck. But luckily offsetted biodiesel or kitchen grease which would this thing completely zero.
Wow It drives around big deal. Let's test it out like a fire truck 1000 gallons water 30 gal foam. All the equipment a fire truck carries 1500 GPM pump an run it for 24 hours. Then let's see how it holds up.
just very negative comment. If you pay attention, 2:53 depends on specs 1000 gal possible. 24 hours no problem, it has a backup engine to insure service without stopping! Maybe you live in a ware zone. this truck is made for the city under normal conditions.
@@xerexon2k to be more precise: it has an backup diesel generator that charges the batteries. (which is far more fuel saving, as they already experienced in Berlin) In Berlin, they fought an fire where 8 cars were ablaze and the diesel generator kicked in on the way back to the fire station.
It does all of that-in this video.
Don’t whine about rosenbauer without watching the video you are whining on
@@markdejong2309 well Berlin is not USA so USA and Europe is totally different when it comes to Firefighting so you can't compare two different countries with different approaches to this it is not the same
@@texandy89 nowhere in my comment am I comparing different approaches to firefighting. People are complaining about the specs the truck has (or what they think it lacks) and I was merely sharing an example of an experience from the collegues from Berlin. Fighting fires in houses might be different due to the differences in construction, but the basics are similar (you put the wet stuff on the hot stuff untill the hot stuff is gone ;-) ) I think it's good that companies like Rosenbauer are trying to innovate fire engines and work actively with fire departments all over the world. Fire fighting is all about being innovative, otherwise we'd still run around with buckets.. As the bible states in 1 Thessalonians 5:21: "Try everything and keep what's good." That's why we adopt lessons, equipment and techniques from eachother. (the Halligan tool for example is more and more seen and used in Europe. It's nicknamed the Hooligan tool here ;-) ) Stay safe brother!
Have fun pumping 😂, a gas generator for range extension. So it’s not zero emissions. My department needed fuel trucks to fill ours while putting out a fire that went for over 24 hours. You’d need a massive generator to charge that thing in a rural environment
Or in the city (where this is based) you can just plug it into any EV charging terminal and have it run almost indefinitely. 🤷♂️
@@mrgummage depending on where it is, power grid could be affected. But yeah more let’s have power cables running to vehicles that leak water when operating! More hazards
@@TonkaFire2019 because you dont have cabels on a normal scene
This can operate continuously and would need refuelling LESS than your current vehicles so it would actually be better on longer jobs.
They better adapt it better to North America. Those flashing lights are horrible and extremely ineffective. I also don’t see where they’d put a Q
you don´t need that stuff, funny that these ineffective lights work all over europe
@@niklas03korte yea in EUROPE 😐
@@angrybird3704 because the lights cant be changed, also its a prototype and test vehicle
@@angrybird3704 Yes, because we all know that light behaves differently in the US…
Auctally blue lights are easier to see and generally better for emergency vehicles, it's standard for all emergency vehicles (EMS, fire, police) in Europe to all use blue lights
Odd complaint, looks too European
Pierce is better
does their hybrid electric truck run already?
Just imagine an all electric fire department during a disaster with power outages for days. EVs have there place. Not where lives depend on them.
actually, even in emergency services EVs can have a big advantage over diesel powered emergency vehicles.
And this truck comes with its own backup, to be able to keep on working in the rare but possible disaster scenario with power shortages etc
Report back to us on how long it's in service before they get rid of it.
It's a demonstrator, not an auctal in service fire truck in the u s
It's not even an american manufacturer ! you fire truck become European !wake up ! rebuild made in usa
so what? What's wrong with them being European? Do you think the trucks sold by ATC "American Truck Company" are actually American? No, those are imported European trucks which are gebadged, just like the Ram Promaster isn't American either
great so if my Tesla run out of charge they will come to my rescue .
I quit being a firefighter
Enough of the blah blah.....Take the truck and double run it with a normal unit.
I didn't see ladders, pike poles, hose......Have the Emergency Vehicle Manufacturers
pay for the extra manpower and expenses. Use it as a concept test bed.. Have it run on all the calls but have the regular unit there so when this thing goes down they step right in. I don't know if you guys remember the
"Front wheel drive" fire trucks....Great concept...Reality....biggest waste of money,space (very large truck to make the concept to work...no equip storage, broke down a lot.) and time.....This way you've got the fantasy concept...all electric.......you've got reality....tones go off.....reality will show you where you are deficient in what ever area you are deficient in....Engineers and designers.."We think this and we want you to do that......Reality..."Nope...and a big fat nope on that....ok I'll give you a little bit on that.................Concept vs Reality.....If they're too afraid of damaging their precious flower send the truck to the fire academy first so when units do training they can use it...see what happens.....It's either going to work ...or it's not going to work.....
I imagine someone saying the same about the original gasoline fire trucks.... horses and steam are fine and will never need replacing.... its called progress......
one already at the heavy field test and to more are following (berlin, Amsterdam and Dubai)
@@Neuzahnstein -American heavy field test. Also out fit it like an American truck, take 2 of them to the test track. Put 4 test dummies wired up in it, and have a 40,000lb rock filled dump truck crash into the front, head on into it. Then do the same from the rear with the other truck. How do the large batteries react?
@@escstupidbullshit And whats the point of that as a test? Its obvious there would be an issue with the the Li battery and we know they can burn. New things equal new challenges.... But guess what that will be dealt with by? Technology research and science... Its called progress... Open your mind a bit? Have you not noticed a wee company called Tesla? Electric is here to stay it will be developed and will suceed so please..get over it...
It works aktive in Berlin and didnt cause any trubble till now
Thanks for a great video - a suggestion please. You repeatedly said "Firemen", but there are many female firefighters and this word invalidates them and fuels sexist attitudes (unintentionally I trust). Can I suggest you use a gender-neutral term such as "firefighter". Thanks and best wishes.
Thank you, Phil, I should have been more aware.
@@TheRealDCCarGuy Thanks for accepting the feedback in the positive way it was intended. Sadly in my country, Australia, sexism and racism are major problems - and they are not improving :( BTW - I'm envious of the countries that already have these EV firetrucks. Bring on the EV revolution (we bought our first EV for a few months now). Best wishes.
@@mspalmboy No problem. When we run the LGBTQ Family Night at our big Auto Show, we always have a group of firefighters, EMS, and police in attendance. We need to work together to create a better world.
EV garbage has no business in fire service.. Can see it now the energizer bunny has a heart attack mid fire lmao.. Hard no never for me
Doesn't matter what you think. EV's are the future.
@@PyroShields of the land fill.. You'll see
@@disorderlyconduct6011 Say goodbye to your engine lol.
@@PyroShields military better follow suit.. EV everything all branches and ALL powered equipment.. Ships, planes, tanks and all equipment relevant to troop movement on and off the battle field
@@disorderlyconduct6011 They are, they already started with tanks.