Why you should try oil washes for your miniatures

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  • čas přidán 15. 06. 2024
  • Here's a quick tutorial of the most essential miniature painting techniques I use on any squad or larger sized project, the oil wash. It's become a lot more popular in the last couple of years, and for good reason! I literally could not tell you where my Nuln Oil is these days. Plus, oil tubes don't spill!
    The Kommandos I painted for this video are going to the FLGS' fundraiser for Kids Kupboard, a non-profit dedicated to ending child hunger in my area of Alaska. If you want to help out, you can donate at the link below.
    Kids Kupboard: / kidskupboard
    Links to Products I use (these are Amazon affiliate links):
    Starter airbrush: www.amazon.com/dp/B001TO578Q/
    Oil paints I use for washes: www.amazon.com//dp/B002E9GUZ4/
    Cheap brushes for oils: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07...
    Makeup sponges for oils: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07...
    Makeup brushes for drybrushing: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01...
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    0:00 Intro
    0:45 Mythbusting Oil Paints
    2:25 How I Use Oil Washes
    5:23 Cleaning up the wash
    8:40 Reveal
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Komentáře • 179

  • @hrvojegrgic-akovic5552
    @hrvojegrgic-akovic5552 Před 2 lety +59

    As someone who has just recently started using the oil washes on my BT box, I agree. Been painting for a year and a half and have been needlessly intimidated by oil washes, but they are far superior

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před 2 lety +5

      It's a leap...of faith 😆

    • @mattygee37
      @mattygee37 Před 2 lety +1

      What colour do you wash those templars?

    • @hrvojegrgic-akovic5552
      @hrvojegrgic-akovic5552 Před 2 lety +2

      i personally use a dark wash with burn umber and a little black

    • @mattygee37
      @mattygee37 Před 2 lety +2

      @@hrvojegrgic-akovic5552 cool I'll try that out sometime

  • @NatesMiniatures
    @NatesMiniatures Před 2 lety +12

    Even though I already know about oils and this technique, I still watched it because I like to soak up everything to do with oil painting. Really enjoy the process of being messy and little care in a way when using them.

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před 2 lety +3

      Thanks for watching! I often do the same. There all all sorts of little tricks to pick up.

  • @ClayJB
    @ClayJB Před rokem +2

    Not long heard of this technique , always been a Nuln Oil guy myself . Your video really sums it up in a well presented neat package and answers all questions before I can ask them
    My Amazon basket has a few more bits in it now and you got yourself a new subscriber !

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před rokem

      I'm glad it helped! Like any new technique, iteration is key to getting the feel you really want, but many months later, the thumbnail still holds true ;)

  • @virgilromero3252
    @virgilromero3252 Před 2 lety +5

    This has been my go to for a year now. I can get armies done super fast and gets the details out. I’ve used it from blending to washes

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před 2 lety +1

      For sure. This video was just scratching the surface if what oils can do for a mini painter.

  • @bluedotdinosaur
    @bluedotdinosaur Před 2 lety +12

    It's enjoyable to watch the oil washing techniques being rediscovered. This is closer to how miniatures used to be painted decades ago, before acrylic paints were more common. Oils and enamels fell out of favor quickly since acrylics are far easier to clean up and involve less potentially toxic chemicals. However, it seems few people experimented with combining acrylics and some oil techniques such as recess shading washes.

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před 2 lety +4

      There are quite a few things that the fantasy/sci-fi miniatures community has lost that I feel like a lot of scale modelers never did. It is indeed very interesting to see some of that coming back in recent years. There was some effort to get low surface tension washes even 20 years ago. I remember asking my mom to borrow the bottle of floor wax as a kid to mix my own washes. Then there are the days of dipping minis in wood stain. We don't talk about that...

  • @MrSJPowell
    @MrSJPowell Před 2 lety +9

    I have a painting advice playlist, and I tried to add this video three times while watching it. Excellent video. Concise, to the point, and useful.

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před 2 lety +1

      Thanks! I'm glad you found it useful.

  • @Bbbbunko
    @Bbbbunko Před rokem

    This way a great video, I'll try to make some oil washes in the future. Just getting back into the hobby 🙂

  • @jasonmangelsen7136
    @jasonmangelsen7136 Před 2 lety

    Very good video, thanks.

  • @bjoernlund85
    @bjoernlund85 Před 2 lety

    I saw this alot at ninjons channel, but your toturial convinced me to give it a try soon. Keep on the good work.

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před 2 lety

      Thanks! It takes a little getting used to like any technique, but it really has become a staple of most of my painting projects.

  • @scotteverroad4545
    @scotteverroad4545 Před 7 měsíci

    Exactly what I was looking for! I have around 40 "soldiers" for Frostgrave and have been looking for a cheaper and better alternative to washes,...I just never liked the shading! It was always lacking, and I want to paint them Fast! TY for the great Video.

  • @silentwlnd
    @silentwlnd Před rokem

    Oils are the best I wish I had used it so many years ago its so easy.

  • @motorpurrr
    @motorpurrr Před 4 měsíci

    Oh yes! Oil paint is the best, so rich in color

  • @dekopuma
    @dekopuma Před 2 lety

    I need to give oils a try sometime. Maybe on the next project.
    Also it's fun to come across this video a year later and see that your goal of 500 subscribers has been surpassed several times over.

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před 2 lety

      I know, right? I couldn't be happier with the response.

  • @martinoconnor4314
    @martinoconnor4314 Před 2 lety +5

    Abteilung 502 oil paints are purposely made for modelling and will dry much faster than artists oil paints. A tip for using artist oil paints to help them dry a bit quicker is to squeeze the amount that you need out of the tube onto a piece of old cardboard box, this draws some of the oil out of the paint, the oil is what keeps the oil paint fluid.

    • @tomhall3666
      @tomhall3666 Před rokem

      Can u recommend a thinner to use with for 40K miniatures

    • @raphaelkoch1573
      @raphaelkoch1573 Před rokem

      @@tomhall3666 You thin oil paints with linseed oil or turpentine.

  • @Razyrazer
    @Razyrazer Před rokem +2

    Panel liner for gundam kits works really well on tanks and vehicles that have been gloss varnished

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před rokem

      IIRC, panel liner is often basically an enamel wash, which I agree can be very effective for weathering, especially on large models.

  • @srl2485
    @srl2485 Před 10 měsíci +2

    I painted with oil when I was child (paints), what I can say about is that in 10-20 years you will loose intensity quite much, so I guess that shadows will become lights someday ( much time)
    but maybe some product can restore that

  • @battlebrotherstabletop
    @battlebrotherstabletop Před 2 lety +5

    Great stuff, man. Congrats on 500 subs! Super cool to see your channel grow and it’s definitely deserved.
    You ever use streak and grime? Any opinions on whether I should start oils first or streak and grime first??? Thanks brotha

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před 2 lety +2

      Thanks! When I first started experimenting with non-acrylics, I used a lot of Streaking Grime. I still use it, but I find oils give a little more control. The advantage to Grime is it's easier to use straight out of the jar. I'll probably do a video at some point about it.

  • @dgoodfellow234
    @dgoodfellow234 Před 2 lety +1

    Enjoyed the video! Ironically I paint using oils on my GSC but haven't used a oil wash

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před 2 lety

      There are times I don't use an oil wash, either. Thinking about it, one of those times was a Kastelan I painted with mostly oils.

  • @seraph-rsxs-4256
    @seraph-rsxs-4256 Před rokem +5

    I'm thankful for this tbh.
    Citadel and GSW paints were always too pricey for me, so I'm pretty stoked to learn about inexpensive alternatives. Plus, getting more for less is always good. :>

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před rokem

      In today's market, there are definitely companies who give better value than Citadel. Pro Acryl, Vallejo, Molotow, and Ammo by Mig are a few that come to mind.

    • @giantorres3352
      @giantorres3352 Před rokem

      I use Vallejo for paints and oils for washes.

  • @jared6013
    @jared6013 Před rokem

    8:54 very close to 500 subscribers :) good to see you've surpassed that mate, great stuff

  • @VicodinElmo
    @VicodinElmo Před 5 měsíci

    I’m going to try this but definitely think I would tone down with a Matte varnish at the end for my own minis. I know that’s personal preference though and I know this satin finish is preferable for a lot of people!

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před 5 měsíci

      For sure. There are plenty of instances where I have used a matte varnish, especially if I'm working with NMM on things like my Marvel minis.

  • @Born_Stellar
    @Born_Stellar Před 2 lety

    I've been kinda migrating to my oil paints for a few months now. been using washes for over a year but recently I've been grabbing oils for other things as well. Going to fill up a whole jar of mineral spirits so I have more options.

  • @TheMiniJunkie
    @TheMiniJunkie Před rokem

    Great video - liked!

  • @Annihilo
    @Annihilo Před rokem

    Thank you!

  • @dv_xl
    @dv_xl Před rokem +1

    I love the smell of mineral spirits, I shall never get the odourless ones

  • @GenkiGamer009
    @GenkiGamer009 Před 2 lety +1

    Very nice video!
    Will you record a video on how to paint with contrast paints?

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před 2 lety +1

      Thanks! I have a video where I made my own Contrast Paints, and am currently working on a follow-up. In general, I think they're a great tool, though the "one thick coat" marketing they used to launch them is far from the best way to use them. If you're sticking to all GW stuff, I highly recommend picking up some Contrast Medium to thin them down a bit and give you more control.

    • @GenkiGamer009
      @GenkiGamer009 Před 2 lety

      @@MTFTabletop thank you for that piece of advice.
      With the one thick coat it is really hit and miss depending on the color. Do you recommend using the medium and using multiple coats?

  • @lloydmitchellnineone
    @lloydmitchellnineone Před 2 lety

    Looks great! Do you varnish before oil washing? I've been using oil wash to panel line my space marines and have been gloss varnishing, pin washing, then matte varnishing as I saw some recommendations to do that

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před 2 lety

      Sometimes. A gloss varnish can help things flow, so depending on your goal it can be helpful. I tend to like the wash sticking to other places and dirtying things up a bit. That said, some paint layers (namely Contrast) can be more fragile and can come up if you do what I did early on and dab/wipe the oil wash off too hard, so a varnish can also help there.

  • @peterbanks3664
    @peterbanks3664 Před 3 měsíci

    Great video. I am learning about this stuff at the moment and not tried it yet. One question, if you are using a Contrast/Speed Paint shouldn't you put a layer of varnish on the model before applying the oil wash?

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před 3 měsíci

      It's not strictly necessary for Contrast. That said, a layer of gloss varnish is never going to hurt between acrylic and oil layers.

  • @Jason-gq8fo
    @Jason-gq8fo Před 2 lety

    I’m about to switch to oils from enamels so thanks for the video!

  • @viper341
    @viper341 Před 5 měsíci

    Because oil paints use linseed (flax seed) oil which is litteraly a food product you can easily cleanup your brushes and pallets with dish soap (like dawn) just like you would clean your hands if you had olive oil on them or something. I do it all the time and it works perfect, super easy and non toxic. My biggest gripe with using oils for washes is having to wait days for them to dry before being able to paint over them with a varnish and move on to the next step in the build this is why I prefer to use tamiya panel Liner whenever I can because they dry so quick. Of course you cant use these in all scenarios but I use them whenever I can.

  • @judgeddreddful
    @judgeddreddful Před rokem +1

    Great video.. you made no mention on the quality or brands or if that matters... was wondering your thoughts on the Micheals Artist Loft Brand of oil paints or the stick to the winsor & newton

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před rokem +1

      I've used some cheap ones I got from Amazon, and they can work, though I have noticed they have a tendency to get somewhat grainy when diluted. Since I made this video, I've used tons of oil washes and barely put a dent in my Winsor and Newton tubes.

  • @zyos11
    @zyos11 Před rokem +1

    Look better than I thought but oil paint is expensive in my country.
    Gonna stick to my homemade shades in the meantime, believe it or not I have 0 experience mixing paints and they totally look like the ones from GW.

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před rokem

      Understandable. I am a big believer in homemade alternatives. Quite a few of my videos highlight using DIY equivalent to Contrast Paint.

  • @brieoshiro
    @brieoshiro Před 2 lety

    I managed to score a pretty good sized can of odorless mineral spirits for like $.07! It was on clearance and marked .97 but rang up wrong I guess. I'll be able to make oil washes for decades haha

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před 2 lety

      That's almost suspiciously cheap. I'd definitely test it before committing it to a model you care about 😉

  • @paulosullivan2077
    @paulosullivan2077 Před 2 lety

    Great video, Can I ask what are the orcs are mounted to whilst you paint them?

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před 2 lety

      Thanks! I often use corks from liquor bottles with some poster tac to hold them on.

  • @TedWillingham
    @TedWillingham Před 2 lety

    Thank you! Do you varnish over your acrylics before doing the wash? Looking around, people seem dead set that it's a necessary step, but I really don't want to have to do multiple varnish steps.

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před 2 lety +1

      A lot of the time, no, I do not find it necessary. The exception is if I've been using a lot of contrast paint, inks, or other more "fragile" layers.

  • @akumaking1
    @akumaking1 Před 2 lety +2

    Can you make a list of primers, paints, etc that you use and where to find them? (Eg could you pick them up a hardware store or dollar store or do you need to find a place more specific?)

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před 2 lety

      Some I have in the Amazon links, at least for the oils. For more general painting videos, I can try to start doing it more in the video. My go-to primer is currently Vallejo black through an airbrush, then some white ink sprayed from above to cheat myself some easy highlights.

  • @reddogterrain
    @reddogterrain Před 8 měsíci

    The robot at 0:34 is the best.!

  • @Spongemonkey26
    @Spongemonkey26 Před 2 lety

    3:1 contrast medium + black templar contrast is a better shade than nuln oil too.

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před 2 lety

      Agreed. I definitely use Contrast for some things, and thinning it is absolutely the way to go with most of them, imo.

  • @lukebeaton1241
    @lukebeaton1241 Před rokem +1

    What makes this better than aggrax or the other shade paints? Been mixing this 50:50 with lahmian and getting similar results without the mixing or cleanup

  • @DarrenMalin
    @DarrenMalin Před rokem

    nice , thank you :) Subb'ed

  • @elcasey
    @elcasey Před 2 lety +1

    I use both, particularly Nuln Oil Gloss for metallic finishes. But general weathering, especially on vehicles, there is absolutely no substitute for oil and enamel washes. Acrylics simply cannot compare.

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před 2 lety

      Metallics do pose a different kind of challenge at times, though a lot of the time I'm ok with dulling the sheen a bit. I have been known to gloss varnish to bring the shine back on occasion.

  • @cindykee3719
    @cindykee3719 Před rokem +1

    A couple of questions from a newbie:
    What is the primary reason for preferring oil washes over acrylics? It seems like more work (having to use the makeup sponges to remove some after applying it), so wondered why it's worth it?
    How do you dispose of the leftover wash with the mineral spirits when you're done? How do you dispose of the mineral spirits used to clean your brushes?

    • @MortonFMurphy
      @MortonFMurphy Před rokem +1

      Oils generally blend far more easily, many of the techniques used to blend acrylics are almost to emulate how oils blend, though they dry far more quickly than oils. Still, this results in very smooth transitions between the shade and underlying color without the pooling or "coffee staining" acrylic washes might leave

    • @silversurfer6360
      @silversurfer6360 Před 4 měsíci

      Wait till you see a white oil wash at work then youll understand.....

  • @frankwittner1979
    @frankwittner1979 Před 10 měsíci +4

    If you want to decrease the drying time and a bit of the glossiness put the oil paints that your going to use on a piece of cardboard about an hour before you use them and it will leach out some of the linseed oil to make them dry quicker and to a more flat sheen even when using them as a wash

    • @Choppytehbear1337
      @Choppytehbear1337 Před 5 měsíci

      I read a comment by an actual oil painter saying that's a bad idea.

  • @southpaw5483
    @southpaw5483 Před 11 měsíci +1

    May you be applying the "oil wash" over the Acrylic paint directly? or do you recommend a Varnish first before the "oil wash"?

    • @southpaw5483
      @southpaw5483 Před 10 měsíci

      @@anorien23 Thank you for the insight and advice.

  • @scoobydruid
    @scoobydruid Před rokem

    Great video. On the suggested 10-pack of oils -- do you use all those colors? Do you create the normal wash colors by either using the oils as is (eg. red, green, blue) or mixing (eg. purple)?

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před rokem +1

      A little bit of both. The one I use most is a mix of brown with a little black. I have also bought some colors I use a fair bit to save time.

    • @scoobydruid
      @scoobydruid Před rokem

      @@MTFTabletop Makes sense. Do you find acrylic washes useful at all now or do you embrace oil wash all the time?

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před rokem

      When I use acrylic washes it's in a much more Contrast-style over zenithal. For shading washes it's almost always oils these days.

  • @reuterss306
    @reuterss306 Před rokem

    Hey, I have been using oil washes and I love them...but recently I thought about what if I want to strip the paint from some models in the future? Models with acrylics were absolutely no problem with solvents like super clean (wich I had to import:D). But gett acrylics AND oils off isn't gonna be that easy huh?

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před rokem

      You know, I don't think I've stripped a model I used an oil wash on, but it would stand to reason that it might be more difficult since oils dry tougher than acrylics.

  • @diomedesindustries
    @diomedesindustries Před rokem

    BUT - HIS BACKPACK!!!!!

  • @robertopoggi1635
    @robertopoggi1635 Před 11 měsíci

    Where can i store an unused wash? Plexiglass jar can be suitable or it will be melted by spirit?

  • @chopsunst
    @chopsunst Před 2 lety +1

    I’m in, let’s go

  • @pierpaolopellone7254
    @pierpaolopellone7254 Před 2 lety

    Hi. Thank you for this video. Can you tell me if this method it's also good for ultramarines and for their vehicles? I'm looking for a fast method to arrive to a similar result... tks

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před 2 lety

      It can definitely work for Ultramarines. It's just a question of what color wash best suits the look you're going for.

    • @pierpaolopellone7254
      @pierpaolopellone7254 Před 2 lety

      @@MTFTabletopvery well. Thank you again for your reply.

  • @Sakurajima616
    @Sakurajima616 Před rokem

    Do you varnish your minis before oil washing them?
    And Thx.

  • @fulldrawpainting
    @fulldrawpainting Před 2 lety +1

    When you started removing the wash did you apply any spirit/thinner to the sponge?

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před 2 lety +2

      It depends. With these, I don't think I did, because I went back in pretty quickly to remove it, but there are times I will, depending on how much I want to clean up the model and how long the oil has sat on the model.

    • @fulldrawpainting
      @fulldrawpainting Před 2 lety

      @@MTFTabletop thanks for the reply. Im hoping to try some differently techniques this week

  • @bobprobert353
    @bobprobert353 Před rokem

    What is the difference between white spirit and odorless mineral spirits sprit please?

  • @tomhall3666
    @tomhall3666 Před rokem

    Hi could u recommend a brand and model of thinner to use on 40K minis?

  • @yasashii89
    @yasashii89 Před rokem

    Is all white spirit the same? I can use the stuff from regular stores and not have to buy a brand that's for miniatures specifically, can't I?

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před rokem

      I would say the stuff you buy from art stores is probably best. Miniature brands are going to be overpriced, generally. For basic washes, I use odorless mineral spirits I bought from the hardware store.

  • @gallusdomesticuskfptechpriest

    Oils are SO much easier to use, I love em. But yes, definitely don't lick your brushes

  • @imagecollections6665
    @imagecollections6665 Před 10 měsíci +2

    I completed my 1st ork model using inks and oil washes & got over 100 likes on a mini painting group on facebook. In my opinion it works better with inks than contrast paints. Contrast paints have an issue if you move them when they're wet & i think that's a factor.

  • @Born_Stellar
    @Born_Stellar Před 2 lety

    odorless spirits? I was painting models with mineral spirits and enamel paint back in the early 90s when that was the paint they sold for models! smells good to me, lol.

  • @privateusername2222
    @privateusername2222 Před 11 měsíci

    Do you highlight over top of this oil wash?

  • @elguntor
    @elguntor Před 2 lety +1

    What did you use for the Ork skin?

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před 2 lety

      A version of my homemade Contrast paint. There's another video about that on the channel, and I have a second in the works. In this case, I used a mix of olive green ink and a little brown. If you're not into DIY paint mixing, Plaguebearer Flesh is fairly close.

  • @SiegeTF
    @SiegeTF Před 5 měsíci

    Was mineral applied to the sponges, or were they dry?

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před 5 měsíci

      Honestly, this was long enough ago that I don't remember. I've done it both ways. There are a lot of variables, including how much paint you want to remove, how thin the wash was to start with, and how dry it is.

  • @skimnsurf72
    @skimnsurf72 Před rokem

    Where did you get the painting handles from!?

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před rokem

      The ones I use most are corks from liquor bottles my wife gathered up for me when she was a bartender.

  • @forestcityterrain6465
    @forestcityterrain6465 Před 12 hodinami

    no mineral spirits on the sponge when removing?

  • @StabSam
    @StabSam Před 2 lety

    Hi i am currently trying to work on this technique and have a couple of problems.
    First of all i cant find any true mineral spirits here in Germany- i have something called terpentine replacement. And it works kinda but also doesnt. It stinks a lot and and when i rub with the q tips and some of that fluid on the tips it is hard to get the oil off again. So i rub harder and rub off layers of acrylic.
    So my first Q would be- do you have any experience if very clean mineral spirits is less aggressive to acrylics?
    And do you use your oil wash also on contrast colours of citadel?

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před 2 lety

      Outside of the U.S., mineral spirits may go under the name white spirits. They are sometimes marketed as a turpentine substitute, but I am not 100% sure if that's what you have. The stuff I use is marketed as odorless, though it does have a bit of a smell. You could try looking for the brand name Gamsol. That's artist grade mineral spirits. If it's not cleaning up the oil it could be that what you have is something different or it could be that the oil has sat for too long.
      I have used mineral spirits to clean up an oil wash when using Contrast. In fact, the minis in this video have Contrast in a few places. When using more fragile acrylics like that, I tend to dab at them more than actually rub.

    • @StabSam
      @StabSam Před 2 lety

      @@MTFTabletop Thy!

  • @astroeclipse5392
    @astroeclipse5392 Před rokem

    Only downside to oil washes is the spirit you use to thin it can cause cancer right? So I am hesitant to using it.

  • @Antheraws
    @Antheraws Před rokem

    So many times the oil wash strips the paint below it. Cause I'm doing something wrong. Can you help? Lol. Even when I put a gloss over it it Still rips through the paint.

  • @am2160
    @am2160 Před rokem

    I use wood stainer, you get a good cover and alot for only 3$

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před rokem +1

      I used to use wood stain back in the 90s/early 2000s. Oil washes provide a little more control 😉

  • @sergeys80
    @sergeys80 Před rokem

    General question, does it matter what oil paints I get? Or any general oil paint is good?

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před rokem

      I tend to use cheaper ones for washes. There can be a difference in pigment quality and dry time if you spend more. A tube is going to last a loooong time for washes. I still have quite a bit left in the tubes that I used to make this video well over a year ago.

    • @sergeys80
      @sergeys80 Před rokem

      @@MTFTabletop I see a lot of youtube painters using Winsor and Newton. Would that be considered a cheap brand?
      Also, what general colors is worth getting? I assume brown, black and maybe red/orange ( if I want some rust effect) are the basics?
      Thank you so much for answering

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před rokem

      The W&N Winton line is their baseline, and I use it a lot. I definitely recommend black and a couple browns. Purple and/or crimson can be really good for washing human skin. I bought a couple Abteilung 502 oils as well, and I'm very happy with their Copper oxide. Makes nice verdigris.

  • @Sybok51288
    @Sybok51288 Před rokem

    is this possible with resin minis? i am just worried about mineral spirits damaging the model - or do the acrylics protect them completely?

  • @paulhalcott5824
    @paulhalcott5824 Před 3 měsíci

    I have a question about using oil paints for a wash. Every example I've seen of this shows them using artists paints, but my question is does Testers work the same?

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před 3 měsíci

      I have to admit I'm not familiar with Testor's oils. The stuff I used growing up was all enamel.

    • @paulhalcott5824
      @paulhalcott5824 Před 3 měsíci

      @@MTFTabletop
      Your answer tells me it prolly won't work. Good enough for me!

  • @andreasghazal5026
    @andreasghazal5026 Před rokem

    is it possible to dry brush over oil paint?

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před rokem

      It is, but you either need to wait for it to fully cure (time depends on a lot of variables, but at least a couple hours) or varnish over the oils.

  • @MrBiggybit
    @MrBiggybit Před 2 lety

    another type of container that does not work - paper dixy cups with the wax lining , I mix all kinds of stuff in there - well the mineral spirits work it's way out.

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před 2 lety

      Oof. Yeah, I could see that being a problem.

  • @jeffreyprosser5126
    @jeffreyprosser5126 Před rokem

    Why does my oil don’t break down they stick to the brush and doesn’t dilute

  • @sliven21
    @sliven21 Před 8 měsíci

    When I tried to remove the excess oil, the acrylic paint came off as well=/.

  • @cameronwatts5989
    @cameronwatts5989 Před 2 lety

    Try mixing your oils with shellite to help them dry quicker. (Shellite is a fast evaporating thinner used for mirror finish and funnily enough in lighter fluids)

  • @Skarloc10
    @Skarloc10 Před rokem

    Did I understand correctly: You are mixing it with bottle-mineral water?

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před rokem +1

      With mineral spirits. Depending on your country, they may be called white spirits.

  • @scottyboy6269
    @scottyboy6269 Před 4 měsíci

    Oil paint being dangerous to creepy brush lickers is a benefit.

  • @southpaw5483
    @southpaw5483 Před 2 lety

    What is the difference between making an "Oil Wash" or purchasing a pre-made "Enamel Wash"?

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před 2 lety

      Oils and enamels behave similarly in some ways. One big difference I've noticed is that oils have more of a tendency to stain the underlying paint when you leave them on. I've cleaned off an enamel wash like Streaking Grime weeks after applying it. As a part of that, I find that oils often end up going on very smoothly. I do still use enamel washes for some weathering, especially through an airbrush on large models.

    • @southpaw5483
      @southpaw5483 Před 2 lety

      @@MTFTabletop thank you.

  • @benjimlem1284
    @benjimlem1284 Před rokem

    Around 8.20 you say you can varnish them after about an hour after washing and keep on painting - is that really the case? Won't that cause any issues? Have you actually tried that? Checked google and it says that oil paints set and cure through oxidation, aka being exposed to air - I guess varnish isn't really air tight, but it sure doesn't help with that...

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před rokem

      I have tried that multiple times. I usually let it sit for 30 minutes to an hour first beforehand. Ideally, oils are the last thing I do for the day so it gets extra time, but if folks are in a hurry it is possible to go faster.

    • @benjimlem1284
      @benjimlem1284 Před rokem

      @@MTFTabletop I see, thanks :3 Guess there were no durability issues with those faster-than-overnight varnished models? No peeling, no weird stuff going on? Long drying time is one big reason I havent tried oils yet (that, and the fumes of solvents, but that I can somewhat mitigate), figured leaving them over night should be enough but sometimes I just get... too impatient for that xP

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před rokem

      @@benjimlem1284 I haven't had any durability issues, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't have doubts when I first tried oils. I grew up with the lie that oil paints never fully cure. I took my notes from Marco Frisoni on the use of oil paints, especially mixing them with acrylics. He has yet to steer me wrong.

    • @benjimlem1284
      @benjimlem1284 Před rokem

      @@MTFTabletop Neat-o, thanks :3 A 'proper' oil painting surely takes wayyy longer to cure considering how THICC the layer is, what we apply can't take nearly that long. Guess Ill just have to try and experiment a bit (when it gets warmer here so I can use my exhaust box again) ;)

  • @x.davidwilliams83
    @x.davidwilliams83 Před 2 lety

    Huzzah

  • @livanbard
    @livanbard Před rokem

    It's no wonder oils are better citadel paints are essentially toys.

  • @yasashii89
    @yasashii89 Před rokem

    My biggest problem with them is that the white spirits strip the paint off.

  • @ThomasGallinari
    @ThomasGallinari Před 2 lety +1

    Still too shiny for me, I tried them recently on my Grimdark Black Templars, and immediately went back to traditional acrylic layering/stippling for a very matte and dusty finish. I guess I could spray a matte varnish after the oil, but it would dull the metallics, and it's an additional step I don't want to bother with. Now I'll try pigments, as I think the finish is more appropriate for what I'm looking to achieve.

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před 2 lety +1

      Fair enough. I do find that some oils seem to have different finishes, even after thinned. Mineral spirits tend to dampen down glossiness, but I still see it at times. For my vids, especially earlier on, I would sometimes shoot before everything had time to fully set up, so the recesses in particular can look a little glossy.
      Depending on the effect you want, things like Ammo by Mig enamels tend to dry very matte.

    • @sethpeterson8261
      @sethpeterson8261 Před 2 lety +1

      You can use brush on varnish to avoid the mettalics problem. I won't ever go back to spraying varnish, brush on is almost as fast (faster if you count spray prep-rime), you you can pick and choose where it goes (gloss here, satin here, matte here etc...), non worries of weather or frosting and I've found that Vallejo Satin varnish doesn't dull Metallica. Win, win, win, win.

  • @wellesradio
    @wellesradio Před 11 měsíci

    Aren’t pickles really low in nutritional value though?

  • @Corn_DOG
    @Corn_DOG Před 2 lety

    Wow nice, do you stream your painting on twitch or love sessions? My girlfriend and I like to watch way better model painters while we paint our models. Would like to see your full prosses3

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před 2 lety +1

      I haven't so far. It's something I might do in the future, but my filming setup is real basic, so it would involve some upgrades.

  • @d.n5287
    @d.n5287 Před rokem +2

    counterpoint: Nuln oil tastes better.

  • @paulpatterson2991
    @paulpatterson2991 Před rokem

    Bump

  • @thekinginyellowmessiahofha6308

    But if you don’t have nuln oil you lose out on a tasty beverage!

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před 2 lety

      Counterpoint: Now you can drink all your nuln oil since you won't need it for painting any more.

  • @jgon12
    @jgon12 Před rokem

    Wait did I see a back pack fly off ??
    Nvm I dint anything it was imagination.

  • @nidhoggvomwalde2280
    @nidhoggvomwalde2280 Před rokem +1

    Use brushes u don't care about... Yes, but no. clean them with curd soap. I do paintings in oil for more than 25y now and some of my weaseltail brushes have the same age. Yes, brushes die over time, by losing "hair" or of heavy use what makes them shorter, but especially the fine brushes can have a long life, even u use them with turpentine. Warm water, curd soap and a bit love, than u don't need to buy crap brushes for such works.

  • @usernamedkjahstill5003

    Ivory black what a poetically contradictive name

  • @jeremiahembs5343
    @jeremiahembs5343 Před rokem

    The problem with oils on models is they are glossy and they do NOT harden despite what you've said. The polymer remains much more flexible than with acrylics. That makes the finish durable, but also a bit tacky attracting dust that's really hard to get rid of. There's no way around these attributes. Thinner helps a bit, but the fact is they will remain glossy regardless of what you do. The higher viscosity also pushes the pigment away from the details making them inferior for shading. Their only advantage is they are easy to mix. They are good for certain effects but simply can not replace acrylic washes. For 2d painting they are the best. For 3d models they suck.

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před rokem

      I haven't experienced the issues you're describing. In fact, I find oils tend to cure very matte. It just takes longer. I also find them amazing for shading and picking out details. I still use them on the majority of models I paint.

  • @justinn.4161
    @justinn.4161 Před rokem

    Don’t forget to varnish 😭

  • @EhEsDeeEf
    @EhEsDeeEf Před 2 lety +1

    Nuln shall pass

  • @sethpeterson8261
    @sethpeterson8261 Před 2 lety +1

    Confusing video as it never seems to actually give a reason why to try this.
    Gave plenty of reasons not to though (special supplies, no lick/toxic, deal w/mineral spirits, extra time to make/mix, careful not to wipe off acrylic layers, trickier w/Contrast, long wait or varnish before you can finish etc...)
    But other than applying it more liberally because you'll spong highlights back off (and couldn't you just do that with normal washes too?), you never said what's better about it. What are the actual benefits?

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před 2 lety +1

      With Acrylic washes, cleaning up higher areas is tricky to impossible due to dry times. Beyond that, once you get some experience with oils, feathering shading becomes a lot easier than with acrylics. I didn't really go deep into it, but oil washes are also waaay cheaper over time. You have given me some good things to think about for part two. Thank you.

    • @sethpeterson8261
      @sethpeterson8261 Před 2 lety

      @@MTFTabletop Gotcha. So the "Why" is that with oil wash the long dry time means you can dab off all the highlights. Whereas with a normal wash you'd typically re-paint/layer those highlights back on?

    • @MTFTabletop
      @MTFTabletop  Před 2 lety

      @@sethpeterson8261 That's a big part of it for sure. The way they flow by capillary action is also unmatched in basically any acrylic wash I've used.

    • @sethpeterson8261
      @sethpeterson8261 Před 2 lety

      @@MTFTabletop Cool. Thanks for answering

    • @reuterss306
      @reuterss306 Před rokem

      @@sethpeterson8261 Also oils are a lot better quality pigment-wise. You can get pretty incredible results if you experiment with different colors...putting some magenta in the mix works wonders for skintones f.e.

  • @TN-gr1xh
    @TN-gr1xh Před 7 měsíci

    Why use one product when you can use two different things and have to wait much longer to finish the same step!

  • @daveburrows9876
    @daveburrows9876 Před rokem

    It is not a myth, sir; oil paints never fully dry, not even those on paintings that were made during the Renaissance. You can paint over acrylics with oil paints, but not the other way around. This isn't just a fact in the art world, talk to a professional house painter. Latex won't adhere well or for long to an old alkyd paint that was used last.

  • @TheMarcosvolta
    @TheMarcosvolta Před rokem

    what kind of varnish do you use before washing?