Is Gun Reform In New Zealand Really Working?
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- CHRISTCHURCH, New Zealand - It’s been a year since he was shot in the spine while praying in a mosque, but Rahimi Ahmad still feels constant pain.
On March 15, 2019, a white supremacist allegedly killed 51 Muslim worshippers in a terrorist attack on two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand. “We heard a very loud sound: 'bang bang' ... two times. We heard the people at the back scream 'run, run'! Shooter!” Ahmad said. “I got shot. I thought this is my final day.”
Twenty-eight-year-old Brenton Tarrant has pleaded not guilty to the killings, the attempted murders of 40 people and one charge of terrorism. He goes on trial in June.
The massacre left deep scars -- and radically changed the firearms laws in the small South Pacific country. Within 28 days, the prime minister pushed sweeping reforms that banned the military-style semi-automatic weapons allegedly used by Tarrant.
More than 60,000 now-illegal weapons were handed into the government at a series of buyback programs that ended on December 20. The government paid out U.S. $60 million as compensation.
But the success of the reform is still up for debate -- and no one knows just how many people didn’t turn in their guns at all.
VICE News traveled to New Zealand and met with police, a gun retailer and gangs to assess the ongoing impact of the mosque massacres and the law reform that followed.
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They stupid things is that the shooter was using an illegal weapon, it was modified and not a gun you can simply buy, and the dude wasnt even a kiwi, he is not from here.
The government used it as an opportunity to seize power. Oldest trick
@Bah Bah Booey I wonder what would happen if at any time in your life you would need the assistance of the New Zealand law enforcement agency aka the police? When I read comments such as yours, it reminds me that terrorism is real and it can be found in any country!!!
Good thing they banned those guns , we don't need them here
@Bah Bah Booey what do the Police have to do with that
@CZcams Music im not a gun person but he added some parts that allowed him to increase the fire rate (i think to make it semi-auto). The gun he had was definitely not a legal fire-arm which is partly why it was stupid for gun laws to be changed because they wouldn't prevent the shooting or other shootings from happening.
You cant buy back what u never owned
You an English teacher ?
@Bah Bah Booey I wonder what would happen if at any time in your life you would need the assistance of the New Zealand law enforcement agency aka the police? When I read comments such as yours, it reminds me that terrorism is real and it can be found in any country!!!
@@eyeusethreeinchseatbelts281 police are terrorists by definition
@@eyeusethreeinchseatbelts281 i
@@lamonticus583 U.S population is 330m. U.K population is 66m. So that's a scale of 5x. 16k killed divided by 5 doesn't give you close to 33 killed. Sorry.
Hahahahaha you think criminals are going to follow laws ?
Lots are here, but another shooting here could still happen,
Christopher Rodmell are you alright? Why the heck would criminals follow the laws? There’s a reason they’re criminals. Get your head out of the sand.
You are assuming all criminals are just mental deviants who commix crime only because they are predisposed to commit crime...poverty fuels more crime than any other factor. America just has plenty of that.
@@andrewpierce1588 Sure. But mass shootings are not commited because of poverty.
Also it does not matter whether poverty or psychological problems or a combination thereof makes a criminal break the law. The law is still broken. Maybe access to firearms can be reduced. But then knife-crime and attacks with vehicles will happen more often.
You are right though: Reducing poverty would be way more effective in reducing violent crime than any legsilation regarding firearms could ever hope to be.
No the bad actors never follow the law. And it is only safe for the criminals who have guns. Not the law abiding Kiwis.
Couldn’t you simply answer that question by showing the murder (with a gun) statistics from the years both before and after the gun reform? I can save you some trouble
1. NZ didn’t have a “gun violence” problem before the reform as the numbers were already super low.
2. In the years following the gun reform, the average murder rate with a gun didn’t change.
So the answer is no.
The goal was to stop shootings like that at the attack. If they wanted to stop all gun violence they would of banned all firearms.
bluewardog you can ban guns all you want, it won’t stop gun violence.
bluewardog shootings like that will still happen. They will only use different guns.
bluewardog banning the item used won’t stop these things from happening. What’s stopping a would be mass murderer from simply purchasing an assault rifle illegally?
@@NovusRex1788 God I really hate that argument. Well theoretically anyone with money and a knowledge of how the Internet works could build some sort of wmd but do those sort of people do and use them, no. Because its much more hard to get or make something illegal then something legal and its a lot easier for the police to get flagged about the posable risk. By your argument we should be able to by atomic warheads at the supermarket because you could just buy it illegally so there for we should all have them
Short answer: no
Long answer: lmao no
More guns = more violence
Less guns = more violence
Something ain’t adding up chief.
@@davinator_peepo2102
More guns = more gun violence, less violence
Less guns = less gun violence, more violence
Less guns = more death
@@pluto8404 less guns in the right hands, more guns in the wrong hands.
@@davinator_peepo2102 its not less guns its just less legal guns
@@davinator_peepo2102
Guns don't make people go out and commit violent crimes. But they do make it easier to commit violent crimes.
"If you don't know how many guns are out there, how do you know the program is a success?"
"[Because we said it was.]"
Oh..
That is definitely not the biggest gun store in the world. That gun store owner clearly hasn't been to America.
Good thing no private person needs guns. The bigger the gun stores, the farther from civilization a country is.
No shit
seidenstickerj are you crazy look at every country besides the USA has nasty protest the USA has peaceful cause they know if they do us wrong we taking out guns out and ask for a change
Shrilanka church bombing killed 300 people same month but nobody gave a shit!
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In summary:
Law abiding citizens turned in their guns, and criminals didn’t.
Why we need ar-15 rifles
@jacob f i know It, i like 2... But they can injurie a Lot of people if u want
@jacob f see the Dayton mass shooting, in less 40 seconds many kills
@jacob f sad :(
@jacob f u want shot somebody ?? do this right
Im stuck hearing "weepons" and "deeth"
Wait until you hear New Zealanders say the words "six" or "deck" in their dialect. Lol
@@hubertcumberdale2651 lol i can imagine.
@@hubertcumberdale2651 CZcams "NZ deck ad". We like to laugh at ourselves.
WIPPINS
when kiwis say six it sounds like sex lol!
Most of the guns they showed on the table were "not" banned types but regular hunting rifles.
but they did ban hunting semi's too!
I dont think you know this but even bolt action rifles that have a detachable magazine were on the block to be banned the NZ police were calling them to be banned that includes almost all hunting rifles in NZ
@@one-se5kl Right New Zealands PM is like ours in Canada a complete woke tosser China puppet.
@@one-se5kl Except they didn't ban them, instead they made magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds illegal...and most hunting rifles only hold 5 anyway.
@@mrcrazzymeme1454 No, I'm thinking of NZ. The only semi autos allowed are .22lr of up to 10 rounds and shotguns that hold no more than 5 shells. Bolt actions are fine up to magazines capacities of 10 rounds...and I already said, most hunting rifles only hold 5.
If I paid full price for a weapon and kept it perfect, I’d want a full refund.
Agreed
@@ImagineWagonss if it was an ar-15 i wouldve handed them a stripped lower
That is exactly what happened. I managed to sell off a number of rifles I barely used due to the buyback
Luckily this isn’t America and guns aren’t anyone’s “right”.
I'd want double for it. Since it's now technically illegal, I'd consider it a gollum-style "precious" item.
Man I feel bad for gun owners in New Zealand. 1 psycho commits a mass shootings and now a bunch of innocent people have to pay the price for it.
How about white men in general being broad brushed with collective guilt when one single psycho goes off the rails? That's the current anti-white climate we are in despite white men having the 2nd lowest per capita crime rates in western countries after Asians.
@@hubertcumberdale2651 😭
😂😂😂 bad luck snowflake.
@@mark-ish thanks for reiterating my point Mark. Talk about a backfire lol
Haha you threatened snowflakes. Get a life with that white genocide nonsense no one cares
@@mark-ish
Even worse luck that were deporting, shooting, running over, detaining, and imprisoming you Leftists and most of its legal.
You wont be so smug when another thug gets shot. 🤷♂️😆
So they asked for people to turn in their guns and they at least got one gun so they consider it successful
They actually got all of them but 1000 they are registered and the owner they did not turn it in are now in jail
Just remember folks, you can make mustard gas with household chemicals!
@Marco Gijsen 60,000 from people who would have never used them for nefarious purposes anyway. NZ government fail.
@@hubertcumberdale2651 big assumption. Essentially you're making it up.
@@alecnolastname4362 as many braindead people experience.
I’ll get rid of mine when the government gets rid of theirs
The army? Or the police?
ummm hello based department
Yeah because you can take on the military and police with you pee shooter when they have drones.
Hurr durr I will kill every police officer and soldier that comes to take my gun. Also #BlueLivesMatter #ThankYouForYourService
Oh so you’re a criminal.
Owning firearms: makes people dangerous
Not owning firearms: makes government dangerous
Guns make people dangerous like forks make people fat.
How? Most of the police here don’t carry firearms a majority of them don’t. We don’t even have a proper army so wtf is your point?
False , if you're a responsible person nothing shall happen... it's the government forcing people to become violent , the gov is make law abiding people criminals ...
incorrect...owning firearms keeps innocent, law abiding, self and family preserving people safe...and saves lives...taking guns creates dictatorships and genocide...literally people need to learn from their history
@@waiskuxx That's why America is there to save your little arse
Why would somebody out to commit a massmurder Care about following Gun laws?
Don’t speak logic around here. How dare you
Bluecollarscholar but the guy has a point though.
@@yinlu3610 i know.....i was being sarcastic lol
They wouldn't, though it should make it a shade more difficult for a would-be mass-murderer to obtain his preferred firearms. For a mass-murderer, any roadblock is a good one. It is still really easy to obtain a firearm - as the Gun City owner said, he's had a record year - there's simply a limit to our rate-of-fire and to what modifications can be made. It's a rather weak measure but what else is a government to do, if anything?
@@jakewright1932 do you think there are a bunch of potential massmurderes walking around who are stopped by laws and burecracy?
Evil sick People do evil sick stuff regardless of laws.
Banning One type of Gun (or guns in general) is nonsense.
Now I do believe in background checks for criminal records and psyc history, that is the only Gun control we need
Didn't really answer the question in my mind.
Because it didnt do anything the weapons banned aren't used in crime much and gun control never really does anything to homicide rates
@@joshualocicero6799 it does increase confidence in burglars and home invaders that they won't get shot because the law abiding home owner doesn't have a gun.
@@benargee I think you tagged the wrong person im the most radical gun rights supporter here I dont even agree with background checks
I think they just wanted to show the varying sides of the arguments rather than forming a conclusion, which I think is a good way to cover controversial topics like this. If anything the answer of the video is that it's too early to tell. So... click bait kinda lol
@@joshualocicero6799 ARs are used in attacks all the time... You are just rehashing propaganda from GUN MANUFACTORIES. Its like using your drug dealer as a source for telling people cocaine doesnt do damage.
Ah yes I remember when Australia banned semi autos too. Plenty still going around just only in criminal hands
They did that back in the 90s right?
@@Razor-gx2dq yeah late 90s after the port Arthur massacre
Reference/Proof Reports anything? Or just more mindless gun worshiping Waffle?
Yep, no mass shootings since Port Arthur though, so gun control has been a success.
So unless gun control works 100%, there’s no point having gun laws ?
How did prohibition (ban on alcohol) work?
How is the war on drugs going?
That's a straw man argument fail.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
Have another go.
@@mark-ish This isn't a straw man argument. Also banning things outright, eg drugs and weapons simply won't work.
With the internet it is easier than ever to access anything you want, for a price however.
We need to create education around weapons and drugs, provide services to people with addiction and community to those that feel excluded from society. We should also implement a better register and license system for fire arm owners. The people that use the guns legally won't have any issues jumping through hoops to keep them.
Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Should we ban cars and alcohol? No more drink driving, problem solved.
@@JakobG13 Most countries that banned firearms have done so successfully including Japan and South Korea. So your argument is a fail. Second, if you think that education and counseling can save innocent people from being killed by a lunatic, you are very mistaken and your naivety would cause innocent people to die. Even in the safest country, murders do happen because it's a human nature to kill with whatever means possible and for whatever reason they have.
The ONLY possible solution would be to reduce the number of killings that can be done by a single individual, which is why the safest countries in the world have the strictest gun laws including Japan. Japan has almost zero gun incidents and almost never a mass shooting unlike in the West. You CAN reduce mass killings by taking away guns from civilians. But it's impossible to stop every single one of them. But it is the best possible option we have.
@@JakobG13 The only possible option for the West, including America, is to either arm everyone or disarm everyone by strong federal regulations and law enforcement. Even if that means to kicking down everyone's doors and taking away their weapon, it CAN be done. But it is not being done because of the Constitution of the nation that guarantees the right to bear arm. That's why it's fruitless to try to disarm American people. Instead, it should be so that EVERYONE can arm themselves. The only weapons that should be prohibited is fully-automatic weapons and explosives. America can't be like Japan, unfortunately, and America will ALWAYS have mass shootings unless we go marshal law.
Jakob Gibson haha. Comparing drugs to guns again are we? Were drugs invented on the battlefield in order to more effectively kill people? No, that’s guns.
Interesting they won’t release the Royal commission report until after the election
like pedifile report in uk
"Is it a safer place?"
"It has to be....."
................... how does taking away legal guns make the public safer? Might as well take away everyone’s car because drunk drivers kill people with their actions so we must take away cars completely for everyone.
Literally no statistical understanding (or willful ignorance) of the situation at the highest level of police. How embarrassing for Kiwis.
................... how’s he a loser? The government is being dumb taking away guns from responsible gun owners. Their Government is allowing more criminals to cause more crime. If a shooting was to got down again in NZ, how long does it take for the police to respond vs a citizen with a gun? Think about that before calling someone a loser. Dipshit
@@Name-jz4fb lol the real loser is you and the people who think like you.
Delusion statement
Buy more guns. keep it loaded and close by. Help will be minutes away when seconds count.
That Prime Ministers teeth are the real weapon here.
Far-right terrorist attacks increased by 320 per cent over the past five years in North America, Western Europe, and Oceania, the latest Global Terrorism Index
Lmaoo, chill dude
@@tw3ist good someone is fight back
@@keyboardwarrior9199 How many Islamic terror attacks have hit NZ? Because the only foreign terror attack in NZ, to my memory, was the March 15th Chch terrorist who most certainly was not Islamic. Perhaps you're right where America is concerned, but this guy was an idiot to carry out his attack on a peaceful society - that of Christchurch.
And what does countering the Islamic threat look like exactly? Western forces, including Australia and NZ, have been at war with "terror" since 9/11 and spent trillions of dollars. What else would you suggest?
@@keyboardwarrior9199 Let's act like drone attacks, invasions, western backed coups and war don't exist am I right? Should we do the tally of all the deaths from the colonization and the imperialist wars waged by the western world? Yeah let's not play that game because you would be surprised by the savagery of the so called ''defenders'' of the civilized world.
Don't comply New Zealand.
Short answer: No
Long answer: Not really
Everybody, we found the incel russia bot
@@kurt2rsenjazz do you even know what incel means?
@@kurt2rsenjazz so someone stating a fact is a bot?
Excalibur01 *Long answer: Noooooooooooooooooooo
I hope you western Europeans know that there are several countries in Europe where you can own semi auto rifles and they have next to no issues.
Is there rampant gun crime in those countries?
I think Switzerland gives every citizen a rifle just in case war breaks out.
I don't think they have any problems there except with the migrants. :/
@@How2walkthroughsAB No, which is why I literally said "no issues" in my original comment. Gun violence, specifically in the US, is a symptom of poverty. If you want to stop it we need to bring back our industry from overseas and give people jobs.
@@utisti4976 The guns are given to military personnel and they get to keep them after their time there. The migrants aren't the problem, it's the way in which the concerning authorities accomodate them, which creates quite some aversion with swiss-born citizens.
Well yes, but it's a much longer process to get the permits then it is in the U.S.A.
Short Answer: No
Long Answer: Nooooooooooo
Governments love tragedies like this. They get to pass more laws and gain more power, taking it away from the people.
if there is a gun near me, i want to be the one in control of it.
-Clint Eastwood
DutchBakery so you disagree with that statement regardless of who it came from.
"If there is ever a gun near me, I want to give it to my good friend, Mr. Chair." -Clint Eastwood
He is saying it’s wrong and Clint Eastwood saying it isn’t a coincidence. Maybe if he spoke to an empty chair instead
@@dutchbakery2195 but you may be the dumbest
Far-right terrorist attacks increased by 320 per cent over the past five years in North America, Western Europe, and Oceania, the latest Global Terrorism Index
no point in banning guns, criminals will always get them one way or another. an armed nation is a strong nation
There's a reason why the Japanese attacked Hawaii instead of the mainland USA during WW2.
_"You cannot invade mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."_
Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto
And an armed nation is a dangerous nation for its own citizens.
@@francoisgagnon1157 active shooters get stopped way faster when peoplr who carry guns are around, on avarage the shooter gets to kill 2 people when he gets stopped by other civilians and 14 when the job is done by a police officer
idiot in my home country Azerbaijan we have gun control. we never ever had situation like in USA. no one afraid that criminals have gun and they kill regular people. only dummy Americans who think second amendment gives them right, fucking amendment have been written at 1789, you can’t apply same rules to this time
@@utisti4976 Because of the distance between Japan and North America?
Short answer to the question: no it does not
And you got that idea based on what?
@@caroselloshow5615 because the ban works as well as any others ban like drug bans
dog guy no this video is about the ban in New Zealand and I don’t get on why in concrete the ban didn’t work that’s it
@@caroselloshow5615 There are many ways to explain it but this guy compared it to the ban on drugs so let’s do that. The supply for guns has decreased but the demand remains the same. Apart from the fact that the criminals could simply not turn weapons in, they could source them from other sources (like with what happened with drugs in America) and obviously they won’t get them legally as despite the ban, buying them legally requires information that they obviously won’t want to have to fake and run the risk of being caugh
Not in the USA!
The USA wasn't mentioned in this video. Its not all about you, sorry.
@@shannonk339 mind your business. Vice news shows this because there is a war on our Second Amendment here in the United States. It's Vice news propaganda
Shannon Kemp vice broadcasts significantly in the USA and this level of gun control has been proposed many times in the US. The concept is at the very least relevant.
@@cstrutherskgs the culture is verrrrrrrry different.
@@cstrutherskgs you are correct. It's not a coincidence Vice news is "reporting" on this
I've lived in New Zealand my whole life, I've never seen a real gun, most people here haven't, except hunters and gun enthusiast's of course.
The sob story’s don’t tell us that guns being taken away doesn’t work.
@Gilded Malaise it’s different in other countries
@@thamas_420 Basic english grammar is universal
@@God-dq7nz not in not English speaking countries
@@thamas_420I get that english isnt your first language, im just telling you that your grammar was wrong, vocabulary may change dependant on where in the world you are, but not grammar.
@@God-dq7nz thank you mate, kinda a joke
Well it's a good thing we have rights in America. Doesn't matter what other countries do.
CherokeeVolf USA Yeah, because those ‘rights’ are working out really well for you...
How are those rights working out for you now 👀
oh ya you have rights! live in California? you have the right to a flint lock, if if if unless unless unless the libtards are coming for ya. dont think your different. Canada is getting it now. you could be next.
@@maxb294 They seem to be well off. The armed citizens are safe however the unarmed ones are getting rubber shot in their face.
@Arrogant Leftist Socialist Australian Compare gun deaths per capita in the US to gun deaths in the UK, Australia, Denmark etc etc which all have tighter gun laws. And of course the gun violence is in the cities, that’s where most of the people live! What has those cities voting democrat got to do with anything? I don’t see what connection you’re trying to make.
If there were any doubt the gangs are being used as scapegoats, that official's response confirmed that they are indeed.
Really? Because to me it look like all of the law abiding citizens handed in their guns. Didn't see too many gangs hand in their guns. Excuse me if I'd rather see a lawyer or a doctor owning an Ar15 rather then individuals who are the front of large scale methamphetamine operations. So gangs havent exactly been scapegoated.
They're literally called gangs, of course they're criminals. If they're upstanding then go register themselves as any kind of organisation.
@@SennaAugustus I didn't suggest they weren't criminal organizations, did I? I just said he was looking for a scapegoat instead of tackling the problem. Gang membership is a symptom of a societal issue; targeting gang members won't solve the problem.
Shouldn't the question be considering Covid-19 show us we can never truly rely on anything but self reliance? When the government cannot protect you from the wolves who will?
Actually quite the opposite. All the corona virus showed me is the need for a strong leadership from government. All you see right now is yahoos who continue to think this is a hoax.
@@JK-ot3vf Would you like the links? There are literally thousands of stories of Americans who don't believe it, or thinks its the same as the flu, or that God will heal them? I not missing your point, you said that you should only depend on yourself and encourage others to do the same. In the case of covid19 that is NOT response you want as demonstrated by your fellow Americans.
@@JK-ot3vf in your first reply you said no one believes its a hoax, I offer you proof that is not true and now you dismiss it. You are just proving my point. While I believe you are educated and responsible, I don't think your fellow citizens are quite as responsible as you are. As I said this covid19 needs a strong government response and I'm not saying it has to be the federal government. Like cities closing down schools and restaurants , that's government; like states legislating against price gouging, that's government ; or the county closing its border, that's government. There are numerous examples of government intervention that hopefully bring this under control that an individual cannot do. If your solution is depending on your fellow neighbor to behave rationally, I only have to point you to your nearest Costco toilet paper aisle. Please note that government is not solution to all situations but in this instance it is.
Guns = Freedom
your freedom = obstrucs my freedom
@@physicisctscum how does an inanimate object obstruct your freedom?
@chris andrewes Fear was evolved with the sole purpose of making you not die
It's like saying " only people with fear hydrate themselves because they fear death"
The only people who got their firearms taken were the law-abiding citizens. A criminal would never hand over their firearm in a buyback. Recent times have said that even without access to a firearm, death can still be caused. Law-abiding citizens are the ones who suffer. Law-abiding citizens are the only ones who will be left without a firearm.
If someone was really determined enough to kill people... it's entirely possible to 3D print a gun. Specifically an AR-15 style rifle. It's very difficult yeah, but like I said, if someone really wanted to kill people... they will find a way.
All the focus on guns and not the people who pulled the trigger. That’s like banning cars because of car accidents.
Johnny Wang not really. The shooter is in jail. This argument is so played out. Guns were literally designed to kill. Cars weren’t.
Next argument please
HondaMu$ic nah. It’s still a valid argument. Both are inanimate objects which do not do anything on their own. It’s even worse that cars were designed for driving and end up killing people. That’s what I call a huge design flaw.
@@On_The_Piss
No, cars werent designed to kill yet the still take more lives than guns.
Do you have gender dysphoria or something?
We literally have no rights to self defence, just rely on the government 😶
we do if they break in with a weapon. either than that....yeah we got none
The sheep saw a wolf kill a sheep with its teeth. The sheep removed all their own teeth for their own protection.
You can quantify the victims unjust gun violence yes; but what you cant quantify are all the people who are saved from being victims of unjust violence thanks to the presence of guns. You never hear about them. Imagine all of the criminal activity that simply never takes place because they know people can and will defend themselves.
Too true!
With a gun sure not with a freakin assault rifle
That is simply not how people in an advanced nation think. Nor in a place with guns where the idea is simply to outgun the defender.
@@caroselloshow5615 how many time have you gone shooting? How many different guns have you shot? AR-15 is NOT an assault rifle, and makes up less than 1% of US shooting deaths. Yet it's the average homeowners self defense weapon, and most likely prevent the most criminal murders every day in the US. Since you seem somewhat misinformed, I'm going to let you know that assault weapons in fact are banned here.
Exactly!
It’s never worked literally
How would you know? Difficult to measure the absence of something. Australia saw a decline in mass shootings after their buyback and law reform. NZ has had one mass shooting, initiated a buyback and law reform since, and seen no mass shootings. Even if there was, who's to say that there wouldn't have been more if the buyback/reform didn't happen? How do you measure a negative?
Jake Wright hush liberal
Molon Labe my Kiwi brothers! Molon Labe! My thoughts are with New Zealand's terrorized lawful firearm community.
Let us hope Jacinda finds herself out of office.
@Siddhartha Choudhury tyranny of the majority
What I have noticed in the comments that people are comparing NZ to the US, personally I find that comparisons such as that can lead to confusion and possible ignorance. Personally I find that the National party (more conservative than its main contender the Labour party) is more liberal than the democrats in the US. As a kiwi I think it's important to realise that the political, economical and social climate of NZ is far different to the of the states.
Banning firearms does NOT decrease the chances of this happening again!!
As someone who lives in NZ and has a firearms license I can tell you two things number 1 the police are the ones who signed of on his license and approved his order form to buy the firearms he used in the attack to buy any firearms or ammunition online you must download a special form and then send it to the police for submition number 2 since the confiscation of citizens firearms from not one but two mandatory buy backs 'confiscations' there has been a increase in the illegal use of firearms in this country including a NZ police officer shot and killed as well as numerous inter gang shootings and general use of illegal firearms no matter how many times we just blame the firearm instead of the system and the individual who did this terrible crime of evil we will never reach a middle ground I know many people will not feel or think someone needs that type of rifle I know many who did but this dosen't end with semi auto rifles it includes many types of firearms that had nothing to do with what happened that day a friend of mine had to hand in his 22lr leaver action rifle because it held 2 extra rounds over the 10 round limit and this was not a military style rifle think about it
It is beyond refreshing to hear someone detail this side of the argument so clearly and level-headedly. Thank you for going to the effort of it.
Like the United States, you will never disarm New Zealand.
Didn’t talk about how gun crimes and shootings (mostly by the gangs) has massively increased since the ban.
Cause != effect. The rise in gang violence is most likely due to the recent influx of gang members from other countries fighting for territory.
andrew jackson Actually that is incorrect. These are existing gangs and gang members. Deportation from Australia of gang members have been happening for over 10 years and not that high of a number anyway
@@optimumperformance Even if what you say is true, there is still no evidence to suggest that the gun ban has been the cause of the recent rise in gang violence.
andrew jackson No but the government claimed that it would make New Zealand safer. It had the opposite effect.
@@optimumperformance lol may as well blame COVID-19 on the gan ban too then
I don’t get these white Americans telling us what we should be doing with guns because everything in America involving guns is fine
Would you be more open to a black American telling you what to do rather than a white one?
Ricky Smith we don’t give a shit what any American thinks mate, but thanks for asking.
Ricky Smith no
lilbeserk lol why would you care about New Zealand gun laws?
@@joemcpherson4367 lol
bruh that PT needs some social skill training, she putting out some serious "I don't wanna be here" vibes
I think she did a good job asking both sides is what vice needs more of
@@christianderbyshire744 I think you replied to the wrong comment. I was talking about the gym scene at the start of the video. PT means Personal Trainer.
Bongfinger man- you are correct I did my apologies hahaha
Maybe she doesn't like them, but forced to help him because its her job🤷♂️
Looked to me as if she was camera shy.
New Zealanders shouldn’t have surrendered Anything.
You don't really understand NZ culture then. Unless you're a hunter, no one wants anything to do with guns.
@@SkullCrusher-xk5wp thats obviously false
@@SkullCrusher-xk5wp NZ'ers don't understand American culture either. It goes both ways.
@@hubertcumberdale2651 i am aware that it goes both ways?
@@SkullCrusher-xk5wp do you? I mean you have to self reflect in the form of a question after all. lol
All my friends guns dropped in the ocean last week good luck regulating them.
How can a government buy back something they never owned?
Imagine willingly giving up your only natural human right to self defense, and pretending like it's a good thing.
You can still get guns in new zealand....
"Only natural human right to self defense"
@@caroselloshow5615 so i can buy a semi automatic or full automatic with a 30rd magazine? And keeping it in my home
@@karnkraftverk Self defense is the only natural right any of us have left, and there are many places in the world where you'd suffer harsh penalties just for defending yourself.
The best form of gun control is to be in control of as many guns as possible.
dog guy I said guns not semi automatic rifles you can still have pistols, firearms and shotguns with certain limitations. Learn to read
How you ever heard of dark web?
In this world there are sheep, sheepdogs and wolves. When sheepdogs are nowhere to be found, the sheep need something to protect themselves.
Many people crashed and died, lets ban cars, now walk to work.
Banning guns at a particular RoF is more akin to setting a speed limit on roads - like we do - and making sure they have a license - like we do - and keeping our vehicles warranted for safe use and registered to the owner so they're responsible for it. There are a hefty number of restrictions to cars so that's a rather weak analogy.
Also vehicles are essential to keep our economies and societies operating, whereas firearms above a certain rate-of-fire serve no functional purpose that an alternative weapon - which remain legal - can serve.
That analogy does not hold water.
It's because many people crashed and died that it's mandatory that cars have certain safety feature like a seatbelt, airbags, ABS.
Also cars are not primarily designed to cause harm it's a consequence. Guns, on the other hand, are designed to shoot and harm things.
4:40 bruh he said semi-automatics so should we ban pistols then
You can't own a pistol here in NZ. Well, kind of. You need a special license and it has to be kept at a gun club, it can not be taken home/hunting.
Stick to COD, kid.
@@kaydog890 man that’s the dumbest thing ever, what’s even the point of owning the firearm if you can’t take it with you? LOL...
@@user-jn8ix3tb1i because here in NZ you can't own a gun for self-defense reasons. You can own one for hunting, or for competition shooting, but not for self defense. We have fairly strict gun laws here which include our firearm licensing process and requirements for gun safes/lockers and such
Oooh, i love the comments as much as i love freedom. God bless you all! 😊🇺🇸🇺🇸🗽
Who will protect you from your government?
Democracy. We don't live in an authoritarian dictatorship.
Until it becomes one.
Paranoid much?
@@grant1133 ever heard of the USSR or Nazi Germany? The world isn't as perfect as you think it is.
Casimir Paul Just look at Russia or China or even the current administration in the US. Just wait till your democracy becomes a dictatorship.
Nope it's not working. We have heaps of guns. Just the public doesn't know about it. LoL bruh come to New Zealand and walk through the hood
How many criminals turned in guns?
None
@@oldsurby im a criminal i only hand in one drum full lol
Can Vice please do a documentary on farm murders on South Africa
Let’s talk about how gun reform in Mexico has turned out
Good one bro.
When a stranger is your house do you want to wait 5-10 minutes for the police to defend you?
If a stranger is in your house, you'd have to be a complete idiot to use an ar-15.
You can with a gun you don’t need military equipment it’s not a zombie invasion
Burglars just want your stuff they don't want to be seen or interrupted, most break ins take place when victim's are at work for that reason.
What if that's the only option..... AR-15 or banana...🤔
iuvenis animo really? How many times it happened to you? You talk like it happens every day lol
the public should be able to own their guns..... if anything self defense should be a reason to own firearms, because sometimes bad stuff happens (like spree shootings) and there are no cops around
-How do you know the program was a success?
-Yes
Of course not. That was just a knee jerk political stunt. I feel for the victims but stop blaming tools for people's actions. How about put effort into the real problem--mental health, education, and tolerance.
Who is blaming solely the tools? They're addressing how people use said tools. Which part of that equation is confusing you?
Regardless of how much effort we put into promoting tolerance, there will always be extremists on the alt-right that will attempts attacks like what was seen at Christchurch. There are few to no practical reasons for civilians to be capable of owning semi-automatic weapons, while there are many reasons against.
@iuvenis animo I want you to take a look at your statement.
"Banning weapons wouldn't reduce the shootings"
You seriously think that, despite all of the evidence to the contrary, that banning all weapons wouldn't stop even one shooting?
Exactly!!!
@@CassidyCope all banning weapons would do is make people who are extremely committed to mass destruction have an easier job of doing so. Your talking about leaving everyone who abides by law defenseless, and the only ones who would own these weapons are police(who will not arrive fast enough in order to stop a shooting) and those who would break the law in order to bring about their goal of mass destruction.
It should be noted Jacinda was incorrect. The guns used were not legal in the configuration they were used. The bigger question is how did the perpetrator get illegal components and what has been done to stop it?
Thomas Uniat who cares? He purchased he rifles legally.
@@On_The_Piss because if there is nothing substantial stopping him from getting illegal parts/guns a ban isn't going to stop the next crazy person. This will just happen again.
Violence is in human nature. I would rather be armed with a gun then a knife if someone was trying to kill me.
I'd rather have my enemies feel the medieval pain of the knife though. A gun which fired knives would be awesome.
Violence is human nature so let’s make it easier for humans to be violent by giving everyone guns! Brilliant!
@@On_The_Piss great hyperbole there Honda! You are definitely somebody we can entrust! Lol
You people commenting just below the minutes of the video, you seemed to not watch the whole of it.
The guy wasnt from there and had a completely illegal weapon and the parliament said that these guns are in the hands of our citizens and kill to many ... all forms of government are looking to seize as much power as possible and its honestly sickening
Was only illegal once he put them clips in it
Absolutely gross how they disarmed the law abiding public in Europa.
Before calling this a failure, note that these kind of mass shootings happen every week in America. And also note that in the US, police come in with semi military gear, guns drawn, pumped up with adrenaline since they know guns are everywhere in America. That's a law enforcement mistake waiting to happen. In America, people feel they need a hand gun because everybody has one, so it becomes a self propagating situation, triggered by fear. One thing is clear, if a gun is present in the home, the most likely person to die a gun death is a family member in that same home. Don't be so quick to condemn gun reform, objective reviews of the gun reform effort in Australia showed a clear survival benefit.
Spoken like a true tax slave. Enjoy.
I guarntee if they had this "ban" before the shooting it still would've happened. Hope you heal to 100% Rahimi.
If there was no gun available for him, just like he said, he still would have carried out his attack by other means. Thankfully he only chose a gun instead of gasoline for example. All exits blocked with fire would have certainly killed everyone in there.
Why did the Australian legally buy that gun in New Zealand and carry out the massacre....
Why didn't the Australian go to Lakemba mosque in Sydney to carry out the massacre, some people lack intelligence
@@dirkmirk767 Was the gun bought legally in NZ?
@@dirkmirk767 His manifesto says to promote government overreach/gun control.
It is called accelerationism.
@@delltawnnorthri7459 which one's manifesto? and where?
Rahimi accepts this challenge God has given him and moves on. He is a strong person.
Short answer is no it is not working
Here's my take away from this:
Heres a guy who got shot through no fault of any law abiding gun owner. How sad that he's paralyzed.
Laws changed, making many guns illegal. People desiring to remain law abiding turned in guns to the government.
The actual number of guns still in private hands is not known, but it is believed by some to be a majority of them. Guy in charge of buy back doesn't care because he did his job.
Guy who was shot feels safer because guns were turned in by law abiding citizens. You should feel sad for him.
The firearms used in the March 15th mosque attacks were acquired legally. The gunman held a firearms licence with an "A" endorsement and he started buying his arsenal in December 2017, a month after acquiring his licence. No fault of any law abiding gun owner, you say?
@@jakewright1932 clearly a person who shoots up a mosque is not a law abiding citizen.
@@cafn8ed74 He was, right up until the moment he shot and killed 51 innocent people - including children. That's the thing about outlaws, they aren't outlaws until after the damage has been done.
Think about the mass shooting teenagers who murdered children in their own schools - many were law abiding minors.
@Trying Times The masses aren't defenseless. Most of our firearms remain legal. I know both of mine are.
Preventative measures aren't in place to stop people from going crazy. The Chch shooter started buying his arsenal two years before he attacked the mosque. His manifesto (of which I read the first 12 pages) had been written over multiple years. This wasn't an instance of someone going crazy, this is an instance of someone planning, funding, and carrying out an attack predetermined years in advance. He came with pipe bombs that took some construction. He bought 5 firearms in his van and was chased off by a Muslim NZ citizen with a handgun - after the damage had been done.
I see the comparison drawn to vehicles all the time, which is funny, considering we place a speed limit on our roads, require vehicles to be registered to the owners, vehicles require a warrant of fitness, drivers must have a license, drivers and passengers must wear seatbelts. Vehicles are essential for our modern society and economy to operate. Firearms above a certain rate-of-fire have one purpose: mass bodily harm.
In effect, all the govt. has done is place a speed limit on firearms.
@Trying Times So unless laws prevent 100% of crime, we shouldn't have laws? Your brother's story is tragic and there is a discussion to be hard about the effects of the war on drugs - but drug users are ultimately responsible for their own actions.
This man robbed 51 people of their freedoms - they were not responsible for that. He may have obtained other methods to commit his crime - we will never know if he would've been able to cause as much harm as he did by other measures. But we do know that he managed to do so with an arsenal acquired within the bounds of the law.
You consider a ban on firearms above a certain rate of fire as "giving up" your freedoms. So you are no longer free? Do you not have the right to free speech? To privacy? To freedom of worship? All of these were taken from 51 innocent people by an arsenal purchased legally. Any measure to make that more difficult is a win in my books - we still have weapons to defend ourselves, we still have weapons to hunt.
No law is going to eliminate 100% of crime. That doesn't mean we shouldn't do our utmost to prevent it.
Oh man I teared up when they were singing happy birthday. Cute daughter, she almost had to grow up without a dad. Man, what a sad world.
Hahahahaha, so what you're saying is, law abiding citizens handed in their guns, and criminals didnt? IMAGINE MY SHOCK
and now it’s much easier to track down a criminal if he has a gun or not.
roblox is life and now it’s much easier for a criminal to kill lots of innocent people. They have no means of defence.
2:14 this hurt my heart so bad
they shoud atleast sell them to a country where it is legal
Ya I mean it’s not very environmentally friendly.
Seriously though at the minimum if they don’t want to sell them to other countries they could even just recycle the metals in them but I think that it just shows how little this ban is about actually solving issues and more using issues to take control from people
There is no legitimate reason to punish individuals who did nothing wrong because one criminal decided to harm others.
Who leaves an optic on their firearm when they turn it in?
I don't know why they're making it seem like Guncity still has AR 15 style rifles. If you go on their website they only have lever actions and bolt action rifles.
They are either 22.s or pump actions.
When you ban objects for problems you're not looking at the problem.
Hey Vice, did you happen to film any mass shooters, violent offenders turning in their rifles? I would love to hear how the new laws put in place by the gov changed their hearts on doing harm onto other fair citizens.
This isn’t about individual crazy people.
You remove the majority of guns you prevent killers in the future of obtaining those Weapons.
@@commonsense31 THATS RIGHT! I remember now, the Gov did that exact same tactic to help stop all drunk drivers from plowing into legal drivers, they banned all the alcohol. So now even if you don't drive while intoxicated you cant get alcohol, to save all the children. Now that I think about it, there was a similar effort when it came to drugs ...but this was a war against them... seem to be effective by the statistics that I have been able to find.
Over a million guns in NZ. One used to cause a mass casualty event. All must now hand them in now, even though they obey the law. Said persons who would partake in such event don't care what they do is already illegal. Okay...
That’s like saying “alright so we have a million people in this city, now one of them is a bad criminal so the logical move is to bomb the city and murder all citizens so nobody there becomes a criminal again”
I dont think people understand that illegal and unconstitutional laws are NOT LAWS. you do NOT have to follow illegally passed laws
Man, this police chief who uses terms like 'right thinking' and implying only his view of the world or opinion is correct is a fascist and should concern the people of NZ.
Nah it doesn't bro.
I'm sure you weep for the tobacco industry too when right-thinking reform is changing that industry for society's best interest as well.
Taking away people's ability to defend themselves with guns (the most effective tool) is just wrong. Why can't you people understand that?
Bro u don’t need a 45 -round auto rifle to defend yourself,.
@@averyangrycat3999 what is a 45 round auto rifle?
Don't get your panties screwed up, we still have our guns. Like the Gun City owner said - he's had a record year. All that's changed is we now have a limit on our RoF and to what modifications can be made.
@@averyangrycat3999 I think you just made that term up. Also what qualifications do you have to be telling someone else what they need to defend themselves?Are you psychic and know what threats every person will face? Or are you a person who has experience in life threatening self defense situations.
@@averyangrycat3999 I do. To protect myself from the government
All NZ citizens should have the same access to firearms as the police do, because they face the same threats police do and in fact face them prior to police even getting involved. Police are a reactionary force, the people are the ones on the frontline. If only there was someone, or even better multiple people, in the area with the right tool for the job when that lunatic did what he did. They would have saved lives and cost the taxpayer a hell of a lot less in jailing fees for that oxygen thief.
Well said totally agree with you.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here in the uk a man was just arrested for punching a armed robber who robbed his home
Was he white?
@@alexbasshead yes European polish
Ban all guns because criminals will not break the law... Just ask Mexico, they do not have any gun violence issues??? This pisses me off because anti-gun people have no idea of how a gun works, they seem to think that guns go off by themselves. Ban sugar too as it is the leading cause of obesity!
In a single, completely accurate word, “no.”
NO!
Guns only work if no one has a gun, or if everyone has a gun! Those are the only 2 ways to make guns work in our society. So you choose...
No one including the government?
Robert sit down and shut up
The reform did two things....
- Act as a political agenda for a completely corrupt government
- Restrict gun ownership in time to usher in The Great Reset
nothing more, nothing less
Elaborate on how Our government is corrupt?
"it's a safer place" says the man who carries a gun with him everywhere he goes.