BULGARIAN Training Was INSANE!
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- čas přidán 14. 07. 2024
- Should YOU Train Bulgarian? Weightlifting Coach Dane Miller breaks down the secret training methods of Bulgarian Weightlifting and if you should train Bulgarian to become a better lifter.
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0:00 What is Bulgarian style training?
2:27 The reality of Bulgarian training
14:48 Should you train Bulgarian?
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those old school iron mind videos of bulgarians and russians lifting in the dark and dingy gyms are the definition of hardcore
I’m Bulgarian so I’m glad to see you touch on the outside influences on Bulgaria and its struggle for identity, very few people even knows about that
Yes! 🇧🇬
There are no influences. The Bulgarian population is 85% South Slavs (proto-Bulgarians and Slavs), 10% Roma and 4% Turks, these ethnic groups are segregated to this day.Bulgaria was an ally of Hitler during the war and that's why most Roma became communists and they started to integrate, but then democracy came and they started to be uneducated and commit crimes again. The Bulgarian identity is South Slavic. In this team there were of all ethnicities.
@@-kr8206изброи етносите в този отбор,след като си така запознат. Наим е българо мохамеданин . Да речем турчин. Давай да чуя другите етноси?
@@krasimirmihaylov9551 Найм е полвина циганин и полвина славянин ,има си и термин за такива хора,неговата турска "идентичност" е на базата на религята а не че е етнически турчин.Също така гледах филма и там личи турската пропаганда "два милиона турци" ДПС доказа че турците са 250 000 ,много от тях цигани например Ахмет Доган.
@@krasimirmihaylov9551 аз говоря за отбора 1980-1990
Many times we see someone doing great technically at 70- 90 %, but fail miserable at 95 to 100. That's because NO matter how much you train technique at 70-90 % the technique is not the same as at 100%, so guess what. The Bulgarians were actually training more actual competition technique than Anyone Else.
@Gods Of War That is a great point you made. I totally agree with everything stated. And I even have to disagree with coach D. Miller about the snatch technique of Chakarov. I fully realize his technique is not orthodox as per most weightlifting coaches. However it works extremely well for him. And because he was so used to handling max or near max weights, his technique was very consistent and reliable. If I recall correctly, I think Chakarov had a best snatch of 187.5 kgs. in the 90 kg. Class !!!
@@williamhall9204 I am not blaming coach Miller. I mean he lives an entire ocean away and I trained under the coaching of George Markov. Information about Bulgarian weightlifting training is very rarely accurate in the net so I can't judge mr Miller.
In Bulgarian, the word for "physique" is the same as for "physics".
Having explained that, we have a saying that goes like this:
"There cannot be physics without chemistry"
Our training method was absolutely amazing. Sadly, after years of corruption, the new generation of weightlifters (and athletes in general) are struggling to finance their sports growth.
Great content! I was an elite junior athlete in Bulgaria in the ‘90s and I went to one of the few sports academies in the country that you refer to. Since there was no official class acceptance for my sport (tennis), I was in class with a different sport every year. I have classmates who were on the Bulgarian national weightlifting team and I have been in the gym where they trained with the legendary Ivan Abadjiev. One thing is worth mentioning here, weight lifting wasn’t the only sport where this type of training mentality was enforced. Competing and surviving in that environment was a standard for Bulgarian sports at that time, because the country was not rich so success had to be achieved through discipline and hard work. The Bulgarian athletes who actually made it to the world’s highest level, were totally dedicated to their sport and underwent unimaginable amounts of work to get there. In a way, that is what it takes for anyone to get to the top, but in Bulgaria this was just on a bit of a higher level at the time. I remember when I had to go to the army to do my mandatory service, I was surprised to discover that the military regime was easier than the one in my sports club… And that is not to say that our army was soft - I was able to take apart the AK-47 in six seconds, while the standard to get an “A” on the exam was twelve seconds… Either way, great job covering the Bulgarian weightlifting system of that time!
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Много хубаво видео! Няколко пъти по време на видеото Dane каза, как Абаджиев е имал достъп до много атлети. Нека не забравяме, че България е с общо 7 мил. население... Като ги разделим на мъже и жени, отделим възрастните хора и деца реално остават няколко десетки хиляди мъже попадащи във възрастта. Като от тях отделим само занимаващите се с вдигане на тежести остават наистина много малко хора. Сега сравнето това с Русия или СССР, САЩ, Китай и тн. ;) Пиша нарочно на български, за да се потрудите да преведете, нещо различно от английски :) Иначе, наистина много хубаво видео!
Той говори за времето когато бяхме 9 милиона,
Everything bulgarian, down to their Kalashnikovs, is quality and endurance.
Plus they have good resorts on the Black Sea.
@@thebuddhaofknowledgemichae2486 we got everything
@@user-mf5ue6rc5n hey war breaks out. American GIs need place to get drunk.
Not without having a mustache, guzzling honey, and eating raw garlic
Ok eric
the bugez in you
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Greetings from Bulgaria! 💪
Don't underestimate the power of Chakarov's mullet. Abadzhiev coached in Nigeria for a bit and the world got Oliver Orok.
Great video 💪
Another great vid, as usual the musical shirts are on point
I'm Bulgarian and I started Olympics heavy lifting 28 years ago. I grew up between Olympics heavy lifters , many of them Olympics, Evropean and World champions. Me and Gulabin Boevski are from the same town. We trained in the same gym. Ournsport was great , because of the Goat of the sport Ivan Abajdiev. His system of training was insane. He was main coach in the Sport Academy and used to wake up the lifters during midnight and make them to squat max rep. On next day training he used to put 5 kg heavier weight of then achieved weight in midnight. If you think logically make sense.
Very interesting historical informations... Definitely one of the most controversial training system in the history of Olympic weightlifting.
I'd be curious to know what the quality of life is like now for some of those Bulgarian Weightlifters in terms of their finances, mental health and how their bodies are feeling today?
I'm Bulgarian, and sadly all our great weightlifters (and combat sports athletes like wrestlers, judokas and so on) are living in decent conditions, usually working as trainers. Their bodies are wrecks, though, since that kind of training is not meant for you to last long.
Bulgarian School of Champions,best of the best method ever!
The main reason that the Bulgarian system can't be implemented today is because people have less willpower and you know it. No one will train 8 sessions in a day.
@13:40 dude from no country for old men is a beast
Shi snatched something like 175 at 73 this year- that might be a contender
Shi snatched 170 in early September, don’t think I’ve ever seen him snatch 175, that would match dayins record in the 81kg class not that I’d put it past him lol I think he like lasha can snatch more then what we know of
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Plese talk about what they were eating and taking
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I love the Bulgarian method, been using it for squats the last 45 days
Bulgarian here and I can attest that the Bulgarian system start in first grade of grammar school. Then we had Hight Schools for athletes.
in the Chakarov video of irondmind. My coach is training behind him 🙂 Alain Bilodeau 77kg lifter
Talking once several years ago with a bulgarian friend of mine about all this marvelous generation of weightlifters he told me that in those days the huge success has several reasons..1) they were well paid employees of the government..2) they were devoted only to train...not studies..or any other things to do..3,) the government support were total...4) planning to the minutest detail was a must...5 ) drugs...nice video..👍👍🇸🇻
don't forget and the competition for those conditions next to each athlete was another one from the same category that boost alot
12 minutes in and we finally get to the main thing…lots of anabolics!
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So you believe that the anabolics were the only reason for achieving world class in weightlifting but most importantly that other nations athletes are natty? LoL, I have some news for you
Do you think they were the only ones doing it? They all did it, they all did the same amount of it. So at the end of the day, again it all came down who is better.
Bulgarian is like the Westside system. It finds outliers but doesn’t really create them.
Agree
Which Louis got the max effort from Bulgaria
@@AlejandroSanchez-pl6jw what do you mean
@@Cryptocurrency1O1 Louis combined Bulgarian and Russian method. Conjugate method has two max effort days for bench and Squat from Bulgaria and ;two dynamic effort (focus is technique and speed) from Russia, with different variation of the main lifts
@@AlejandroSanchez-pl6jw nice info thanks 👍😊
And maybe a thing with all three is that they dont focus on longevity?
Good vid. 😊 While authentic bulgarian training would be pretty ridiculous these days, I think 'light' versions of it like squat everyday and/or daily technique work for the competition lifts can go a long way for a lot of (strength) athletes.
Actually, Yurik Vardanian, while weighing 87 kgs (competing in the 90kg class) snatched a world record 190 kgs and clean&jerked 228 kgs in the USSR championship (1982) held in Dnepropetrovsk.
Could you tell us (or anyone who knows) what is the logic, the principles for determining how volume and intensity are decoupled over a macro cycle in the Soviet system of waves of force?
Thanks.
Our dope was also pretty insane 😂
If the training was this intense, what was the bulgarian diet?
pork and fresh garden food
To be honest, I’m surprised you say that Abadjiev wasn’t focused on technique; I’m curious why you say that. Every single athlete that I’ve seen trained by Abadjiev lifts very similarly, including the ones from 10 years ago in that Eleiko gym he coached at in California.
Honestly the Chinese system is goddamn inane
I’m not a kid like they start at but goddamnit it’s too good
chinese system seems pretty basic tho?
i always thought it's mostly the lifters themselves, and them starting as little kids
@@goobgoobgoobgoobgoobgoobgo3656 yeh it’s the athletes being selected for a sport they’re genetically and morphologically suited for, plus unlimited use of chemicals from an age that is quite frankly child abuse, and a culture of excellence that is infectious.
Chinese system is the cool system of Weightifting these days.
Ouch your joints are going to hurt.Wait they have gear 😂. What am I thinking off.
They be giving those little guys the good drugs lol that’s how 😂
It was called Spirit Of Competition. Same thing happened to Usain Bolt. I want to be stronger than him. I want to be strongest. Usain Bolt (I want to be faster than him. I want to be Fastest In The World). When Strong People Compete With Strong People They Become More Stronger. Spirit Of Competition.
I’m up to 8:38 why haven’t you mention steriods yet?
Chemical brothers
Escape velocity?
A little corection, in that time no problem whit food, but to be in sport ... well you are a super star like Rihanna or Beyonce for USA. Better you get, more famous, bigger payment, all doors opens for you and thats why all pushed to be in sport. 2nd identity, well Bulgaria got 90% etnic bulgarians, never heard about persian identity in Bulgaria. National pride was high before the uprising in 1878 the reason it happened and for 500 years it wasnt lost against the benefits you can get if you remove that ''bulgarian'' or ''christian'' from your identity and benefits were hudge. The pride from the sports sucsses was building that small 9 mil country can dominate in the world scene in some group of sports and that was the outher motivation. You represent the country, if you fail and start loosing your reputation goes down very fast as you failled the whole country.
I enjoyed and hated it training Bulgaria n for a year
Training more than once a day weightlifting, no way they're not on steroids
Could they lift half the weight without the drugs?
Everybody took drugs in those days, just the bulgarians got caught because of the USSR
7:09 That's not the "geopolitical aspect," that's the social and political aspect, and it's really not that different to western countries, where a great deal of prestige attaches to professional sport and which is always preferable to doing some kind of shitkicker work, and which would still be the case even if the pay wasn't worlds better in pro sport. Eastern Europe was much poorer than the west, and commie economies suffered all sorts of mismanagement, but one thing they actually did well was to make sure everyone got fed, so I think it's safe to say no one was in the weight room in order to keep the wolf from the door. The only way the "geo" part of geopolitics might figure into this was the pressure to perform in international competition, not just for its own sake but also to promote the superiority of the communist system. My guess is this pressure was more pronounced in the Soviet Union though, as the leading country of the communist world (just as America billed itself "the leader of the free world").
Ah yes the Bulgarian System. Meanwhile the cool system these days is the Chinese method.
sounds like a video idea...
@@GarageStrength Yes
Did they had muscle training in their routine ?
The most interesting idea here, to me, was the training 3 or 4 times a day. As an ex combat sport athlete, I'm used to training multiple times a day, but it was broken into different types of training. Ex: run in the morning, strength train in the afternoon and skills train in the evening. I've never heard of, or even thought about doing purely strength training like that, and I'd be curious how effective that is, I think it makes some sense. Instead of cramming it all into a 1-2 hour session, break that into 3 45 minute sessions throughout the day
Plus the best drugs ever lol
Naim Süleymanoğlu is Turkish. Not bulgarian.
Yeah but he was raised in bulgaria and trained under abajaev for a few years before he daked the injury to escape to turkey
@@angusroewl7206 That doesn't make him Bulgarian. He is Turkish. Do not talk about something if you don't know the background.
@@enissahin2804 Nobody is saying it makes him Bulgarian. But in the context of sports, the general practice is to describe people by the country they represent, not their ethnic identity, ie someone born in Nigeria can be described as an "English soccer player." Personally, I think it's stupid, but modern western values claim that not doing so would be "racist." (The Nigerian could even angrily deny having anything English in him, state that he hates England, and defiantly assert his Nigerian identity, but the British media would still insist on calling him English lol. Turks, for all their faults (haha), at least have enough self-respect not to fall prey to this idiocy.)
He was bron in Bulgaria. That makes him Bulgarian :D
Sulemanoglu was Bulgarian and the Turkish bought him basically.
Naim was a Turk. He escaped ethnic oppression. Get your facts straight.
He is a Turkish Roma, he is neither Bulgarian nor Turkish, Christian Roma accept Bulgarian identity, few in number Muslim Roma Turkish.. Bulgarians are Slavs.
@@-kr8206 Tf is a Roma. You're trying to say "Pomak". Doesn't matter. He's a purebred Turk. End of story.
@@cngzsn "purebred"🤣😂😂😂All European Turks have Slavic DNA. You took a "blood tax", go learn history. The Janissary corps were made up of Slavs from the Bulgarian group, whom you took away when they were young. And if you want to know the Roma are not Bulgarians, they are from India, so things are obvious.End of story.
@@-kr8206what you talking about in bulgaria living real turks too they come because first world war and several hundred thousand stay in bulgaria till today they have own villages and mosques, roma gypsies are different Story
@@cngzsn Roma can also be defined as Eskimos if the money is good. Pomacs are Bulgarians, most of them are Slavs (the difference is that they are Muslims). Many of the Christian Roma today are even Bulgarian nationalists. So all this Turkish propaganda is meaningless. In Bulgaria DPS it wins only 3% percent of elections and 6% with votes from Turkey. Stop making propaganda from the cold war because the result will be pro-Russian Bulgaria, you have no chance.The majority of Pomacs are not Roma, you are wrong.
What are the Americans doing wrong?
@@existentialerasure because you don't earn money in weightlifting
@@existentialerasure not really, football is a skill sport for a start. Secondly unless you’re a heavyweight sized person you’re probably not playing football
Priority is the pro sports like Basketball, Football. More incentives to pursue what are life changing contracts in those sports. There is no official system, though throughout the US there are many youth sports teams to get started. However there are now potential future Weightlifters getting exposed to the sport thanks to CrossFit.
Someone mentioned American Football but those athletes also practiced twice a day and they all have familiarity with heavy weights in the gyms as well.
Difference is that lifting weights in the gym is secondary to actually getting in the field and practicing football drills (which is bound to get incredibly taxing on the cardio system since it's basically full on sprints and drills over and over), but it should still tax the CNS differently compared to olympic weightlifting.
Incentive for athletes to gain generational wealth is going to drive athletes to train to their absolute limits in whatever sports that they are in though. American Football did that to their athletes in spades.
There's no incentive for Americans to go into weightlifting unless they're really passionate about it from a young age (and it'd have to be someone special too) because it doesn't pay, and chances are, weightlifting can't be a full time job for a lot of these athletes.
Oh, and also strict (almost draconian) drug testing requirements.
Btw I don't see the issue as the Americans doing anything wrong specifically (powerlifting records achieved by Americans using different training methods proves this), but it's more like they might have instinctively realized first hand that going balls to the walls on their max weight for (god knows how many sets every session) isn't the best practice for actually progression after they get to a certain level of their training.
Are you really training Bulgarian if you're not also taking a daily fistful of drugs?
Jeez. Bulgarian training this, that and the other. It was a meat grinder in a completely different time and place.
Nothing normal about it - especially by today's shitty standards. It was meant to squeeze out the survivors, period.
There were countless recruiters that came to the schools and looked for kids that looked promising. Thousands of kids recruited amounted to a handful of champions.
But the main thing is the mindset - which is nothing that can be explained/understood by most people today. No, not some kind of "tough communist" mindset. It was just very, very different and always negative.
just eat clen, tren hard and anavar give up
As a Bulgarian i will tell you a story about Abadjiev he has said: if you have 2 dogs born from the same mother and you release one of them in the forest and the other you keep at home as a pet when you meet them after years when they are grown and the two dogs fought which one would win ? Naturally you will answer the one that is from the forest if it has survived the forest and the Abadjiev would say: Aha... and I AM THE FOREST.
Let that marinate some Bulgarian philosophy from this great man.
Thats a real story btw