The Origin of Super Saiyan 3 Goku Explained
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- How did Goku discover Super Saiyan 3? What led to Goku learning Super Saiyan 3? What is the Secret Origin of Super Saiyan 3 that Goku used when we see Super Saiyan 3 Goku vs Majin Buu in Dragon Ball Z? We go over all of that today.
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Seeing SSJ3 for the first time was epic!
This is my favorite super Saiyan form of Goku just him screaming was awesome
Exactly it was badass hands down
I just wish the power drain was not ever a thing. But I get it. A quick fight and yada yada 😒
Bruce faulconer score back in toonami days
It sure was indeed
I actually like the idea of the form being perpetually unstable. It keeps SSJ2 more attractive and adds to the drama of the form
I’d rather the same idea be played out more like it being sort of a glass cannon. A form with more strength and speed than any other but even Yamaha’s Wolf Fang Punch defeats it if you get hit.
Yup I agree. If ssj3 was stable then ss2 would be the forgotten middle sibling. Ssj the classic, ssj 2 the middle form, ssj3 the long haired final form (during Z).
It's not unstable. It was even stated in this video that even in late dragon Ball z Goku simply didn't have enough time to master it.
Each Super saiyan form with the exception of fully mastered super Saiyan 1, puts strain on their body. Super Saiyan 2, when mastered, just accelerates stress over time.
Super Saiyan 3 is just like Super Saiyan Blue, it is strain on the body at all times. Except Mastered Super Saiyan Blue is more stressful than Super Saiyan 2 but less stressful than mastered Super Saiyan 3.
Well I hope that clears that up.
It's quite obvious in the entire series that only mastered Super Saiyan 1 allows you to recover while in that state.
Every other form is strain on the body at some level, And you cannot actively recover unless you go out of that form.
Regular Super Saiyan God clearly has regenerative abilities for both ki and the user's health but it is still stressing their body.
@@ProjectEchoshadow that is what ui could have been
Ssj3 was one of the most pleasant surprises in the Majin Buu saga. That and Bruce Falconer's theme.
"You should be proud of yourself only Majin Buu pushed me this far in battle before"
Badass line
Fusion Reborn is one of my favorite DBZ movies
Yeah that line was epic
great movie!
My theory always was your body bulds muscle and strength depending on how hard you work out and rewards with equal results . With the infinite energy of the after life he was able to train at an unnatural rate and his body developed a tranformation to match that effort but when he was revived he didnt have that infinite energy and now he has an unbalanced tranformation.
That’s a great theory but that wouldn’t explain gotenks getting it unless fusion gives you unlimited energy. Much love 🙏🏾
I've been thinking about this as well. Geekdom said, in order to analyze SSJ3, we have to look at 2. During Goku and Gohan's training in the Time Room, He figured out how to utilize the SSJ form while being and maintaining that form... But you have to consider, they're training is in an atmosphere where the rules are different than Earth's or Namek's. Goku, training in the afterlife, in a completely different physical plain where the rules of Stamina, energy, and even pain don't apply to the physical realm.
Geekdom mentioned that SSJ3 is a stamina guzzler. And he may be right that Goku may have not had much time with that form, but, if we consider Goten and Trunks fused as Gotenks learned SSJ3, it didn't have the same totality as with Goku. We only understood that it consumes massive energy to maintain. With Goku, his stamina/energy was tied to his time on Earth, and was hastened and cut his time on Earth, as he was not even there for the full 24hrs. And with Gotenks, it was their Fusion that was shortened from 30 mins to less.
I believe that the kind of atmosphere they were in played a huge role as to how and why they were able to achieve SSJ3, and plays a role as to how long they can maintain it. And this is something I never hear anyone talk about.
Is there a ss2 master version?
I like this but they’d need to explain gotenks and the dbs ssj 3
@@themachine1679 In all fairness, Goku didn't really use SSJ 3 that often.
I thought super saiyan 3 was the pinnacle of power back in that arc lol that excitement DBZ used to give is unmatched!
😊😊
Until it got sidelined 🥲
Keyword "used too" 😢
@@imdavidbaby It would still be if I were on the writing staff. All these extra transformations are cringy
yes no doubt,aside from gohan’s mystic form and fusion
I can’t remember if you mentioned it, but another piece of evidence that Goku may have unlocked SSJ 3 right before his day pass is that in Resurrection F, he was possibly able to recognize the immense stamina drain of Golden Frieza, due to his personal experience of unlocking a new form and being unprepared for the stamina cost shortly thereafter.
SS3 seems to share a lot of similarities with grade 2-3. It’s a big increase in power with an obvious physical change in appearance but with a significant draw back. For grade 2-3 (more so 3) that draw back was sacrificing power for a drastic reduction in speed and stamina. SS3 has drastic increases in speed and power with a massive reduction in stamina. I view SS3 as just being SS2 grade 2.
I ilke the "Ascended" SS2 idea.
I always saw the Ascended states like this:
SS1 Grade 2 is a tiny "preview" of SS2's whole package. (Increase of power/speed but moderate decrease of stamina).
SS1 Grade 3 is also a preview of SS2, but a full scope preview of SS2's Power only. (Giant increase of power, but giant decrease of speed AND stamina).
So yes I kind of believe that Grade 3 aka Ultra SS gives you access to SS2's Power only, but with such decrease of speed (and stamina), how can you land that SS2 missile without a properly optimized targeting system?
SS2 = the true evolution of SS1. (Giant increase of Power and Speed, with maybe only minimal-moderate stamina drain similar to SS1 unmastered).
When Goku first transformed into a Super Saiyan 3 against Majin Buu and Babidi it gave me goosebumps. It was such a great moment.
I had a theory when I was a child about Super Saiyan 3. There were only two that achieved this transformation and both were in another dimension. Goku was in the Otherworld and Gotenks was in the Time chamber. Also, both had the issue that this transformation eats their stamina. I had the idea that this transformation can only be achieved in a realm that doesn't obbey the laws of physics or logic of our universe. More than a upgrade to the SSJ2, it's more like "an aberration", similar of what SSJ4 became afterwards.
You're right. I forgot about that. It dont make sense that Gotanks can go SS3. When Trunks and Gotan cant.
Wish there was a mastered version of SSJ3 like there was for SSJ1 during Cell Arc discovered by Goku. To limit energy consumption. Wonder how much stronger this would have made SSJ3 Goku?
Same here I honestly I wished there was an way for him to master it
I think he will not have any quick energy drain in my opinion, but what do you think?
I’m pretty sure we have mastered ssj3 in gt
Cumber, the Dragon Ball Heroes character, is Almost ALWAYS seen in SSJ3 when transformed. Sure the series is just fan service, but I would say he has the most controlled SSJ3. Even takes on SSJ4 Broly and looks to be on par
I bet Goten and trunks will perfect it
Yeah, I think the theory of Goku figuring out the SSJ3 form shortly before the end of the 7 year time skip makes a lot of sense. As for when Goku achieved SSJ2, he probably did it within the first year of the timeskip & kept honing it as time went on. To the point where his SSJ2 was way stronger than SSJ2 Gohan against Cell, which Vegeta points this out in his match with Goku.
I always felt like super Saiyan 3 was the BEST transformation to me and the anime solidified it with its portray the transformation with Goku going for being a great ape to a baby while screaming at the top of his lungs wowing Majin Buu and Bobidi with unmatched English OST. Freaking fire
I think Goku unlocked the SSJ3 as an experiment or proof if there were more limits to break in the realm of the Super Saiyan power. Knowing the character, he would surely know if it is possible to go further or overcome even the powers of the SSJ2. But your theory of Kaio being a guide is very good. Not bad.
I always liked the idea of making SSJ1 your "base" then transforming up from that. I always assumed he took a similar path for 2 to get 3.
You would think so
Seeing him transform into SSJ3 for the first was damn epic
Yeah it’s definitely a classic moment
A lot of people dislike SSJ3 and while I do understand why, i just can't bring myself to hate it. It's my personal favorite form in Dragon Ball because as a kid, this was THE strongest Super Saiyan. The very top. Besides that whole scene with Goku transforming still gives me chills every single time I watch it
Only the internet made people do that mess. In person prior to youtube everybody I knew loved SSJ3 and GT even though many loved Z more.
Awesome editing Geekdom! Thank you for this video and your consistency on your uploads!
I like to think that Goku pushed himself to ss3 so that one day he could fight Gohan just like his Grandpa fought him years ago. One final fight to remind him to keep learning, to rest well and push his limits. If Gohan had continued his training during the 7 year time skip, he’d be significantly stronger than Goku, but ss3 would still be Goku’s only way to hold out against his son.
I have a feeling it took Goku no less than 5 years to reach the form, but gotenks reached it in two weeks. Gotenks mastered ss2 and worked his way up to ss3 in less than a month. Imagine how powerful he’d be if the boys had a full year to train.
I'm just a dog 😊
I’ve been looking forward to this video for a LONG while, even before you announced you were making it, since I’ve wondered about it for MANY years!
My favorite Transformation of all time and theme song
I am pretty skeptical that he was able to use anger. Just not enough to get angry with.
What is interesting is had Goku been alive he probably wouldn't have discovered 3. Not just the pull of his family, but his living body would not have been able to do it in that time.
He has point though. You seen how much ChiChi went on at Gohan not to fight and be a scholar. Because of this Gohan can bearly fight at times without getting his butt handed to him. I don't think he meant just anger though. It does make sense about Vegeta being more mellowed out by his family. Not that dbz follows logic.
Each saiyan has a different emotional path to transformation
Why don’t you just show us that demon suit character already?
Instead of teasing us about it.
I feel like you're forgetting something regarding how Goku figured it out. During the scene when he showed off SSJ3 to Goten and Trunks, just before going 3, he told them "This next energy comes from deep inside. Push hard to find it."
When adding that in with everything you talked about, perhaps he meditated and found that "energy deep inside" and tried to apply it to his SSJ2, which gave us SSJ3.
Well put Geekdom. I really enjoyed your points and agree on how he discovered SS3 with meditation,his kaioken and accidentally. Goku was his best with his martial arts in tact.
My theory is Goku started applying the principles of the grades to SSJ2. Trying to achieve this middle grounds and hopefully achieve a form of grade four. In the midst of pushing grade three, That which sacrificed speed for power. He achieved on accident. A form that takes this to the nth degree. In affect the very statement you alluded to. The concept of Kaioken with super Saiyan without actually using Kaioken to maximize power for brief stints.
Piccolo also stated in his fight with Dr. Gero that they(the Z Fighters) had learned to amplify their KI in big short bursts, to give their attacks the extra kick. Maybe Goku figured out to apply that principle in a much longer extension.
This was always a thing and even noted by Raditz when Goku did a Kamehameha, as Goku's ki rose significantly when he concentrated it to a single point.
to be honest i think it's intentionally meant to be unexplained as to how goku discovered ssj3. remember way back right after vegeta vs android 18 when goku visited vegeta at that rock where vegeta cried in the rain?
_somehow_ they both independently came to the conclusion that there was a form above SSJ1. it's never really explained how they both miraculously discovered this. i think basically the same thing happened here. when goku unlocked super saiyan 2 at some point between cell and buu, he somehow sensed there was a form above it.
i am somewhat confused as to why vegeta never considered any form above regular ssj2 during the years between cell and buu. given that he did actually sense the existence of higher forms above ssj1 even before goku talked to him about it.
goku has always been better at discovering forms than vegeta though. in terms of training, goku is an innovator whereas vegeta is a grinder. notice how he never stops torturing himself in the gravity chamber, and he even went back into the time chamber when goku decided to rest.
on the other hand, goku discovered ssj1 first. goku discovered the perfected super saiyan grade 4 first. goku was probably the first one to actually imagine the true ssj2 (whereas vegeta thought the best they could do was ssj1 grade 2, trunks thought the best was grade 3, and gohan had literally no idea tf he was doing--gohan only got ssj2 because he did exactly what goku told him to do and gohan was the only one strong enough at the time for goku's theories and instructions to actually succeed in unlocking ssj2). so yeah goku was always more of an innovator whereas vegeta mainly focused on increasing his raw power through incredibly hard training.
@@pIayingwithmahwii that's brilliant 👏
I think Geekdom is definitely in the ball park with his theory. My only thing is training, eating, and fighting strong opponents is heaven for Goku. So I can conclude the only motivation for a anger breakthrough would have to be the resentment of his own limits. He would then tell himself he hasn't hit the wall, its not impossible and that he can push to the next level. Its very Goku like and when he was teaching Goten and Trunks it sounded a lot like that was the key 🔐. Pushing beyond the wall to the next level and not being stuck.😏
Awesome video. Thanks for posting it.
Love your content man! Keep it coming!😊😊😊❤❤❤
Same here 😊😊
Great video Danny nice touch on the music ❤❤❤
My "yeah that's kinda out there" head-canon explanation for Goku unlocking SS3:
First, filler or not, I'm gonna canon-ize Goku's SS1 Kaioken form displayed against Pikkon in that Other World tourney.
I think Goku realizing that with a dead body and so much free time, he continued experimenting with stacking SS and Kaioken.
... to the point of being semi-comfortable with SS2 + Kaioken x4 (Which totals a 400x multiplier, same as SS3).
He spent so much time and effort forcing and remaining in that form, that eventually his body "accidentally" mutated into an SS form (SS3) to compensate for that ridiculous over-strenuous overclocking from stacking the 2 to that degree so often.
Now, with SS3 he now has access to that same level of power/multiplier, and of course is still ultra-strenuous, but somehow nowhere near as strenuous as SS2 + KK (let alone KKx4).
Yes, it's an insane theory and most likely false to oblivion - but I'm here to have fun with these discussions, aren't ya'll?? Plus, we see later on in DBS that once again he's stacking them again, but this time with SSB + KK.
... As for Gotenks achieving SS3. Well, that boy is a fusion of two 2nd-gen Saiyan-human hybrid prodigies - what do you expect??
At the end of the day, I would much rather have DBS F. Trunks' Mastered SS2 form that basically rivaled Goku's SS3!
Awesome video! 👍🏿
King Kai's instruction plus no distractions from the kids or the baby mama 😂...sounds like a winning formula to me lol.
Great video!
Well Goku trained consistently for 7 yrs with the assistance of King kai..Goku was a fighting genuis so the same way Goku sensed a level beyond super saiyan the samething applied to super saiyan 2
I remember when I was a kid, I saw this explanation of all the super sayian forms and I remember reading that ssj3 was the only one that was achieved by training alone.
As a kid a read it had to do with training while dead
Yes, I understand that, what I read that there was no rage trigger for 3, like geekdom was speculating.
Yo geekdom. This is probably my favorite segment. The music sets it off
Nice explaination
Another BANGER video geekdom 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Really great video geekdom
Quick answer to why it’s draining is because the user has to walk around with all that heavy ass hair
This whole video makes perfect sense! Thanks bro 👌🏾.
that Bruce Falconer ssj3 theme was super epic i loved that version of DBZ
This made me realize something I could never quite figure out. Part of why Vegeta wanted to become Majin was so that he could rid himself of affection and attachments to people so he could go back to living only for battle. I think Vegeta was aware that was why Goku surpassed him.
The difference is that Goku doesnt fight to win, a loss is just as much a win for him because he sees that a new goal post.
Vegeta however wants to be the best and stay the best, he want to prove he is the best. Goku is not interested in that, he seeks endless sparring partners to better himself.
@@SAsaiyajin very well put sir!!! Will ALWAYS be a Dragon Ball fan!!!
@@SAsaiyajin That's easy to SAY but here's the thing about that: Goku's ok with a loss here or there - but he's never found himself forever chasing someone's shadow, trying to catch up for decades, only to still be one step behind. I think one of the most interesting story arcs Dragonball could take would be for Vegeta to outright surpass Goku in every way - to be clearly, unambiguously stronger than him and beat him badly in battle - and to STAY ahead for a good chunk of time. Imagine what that would do to their dynamic. Vegeta suddenly has achieved what he's been after all these years - not just surpassing Goku for a little bit - he's done that before - but for a LONG time and by a massive margin that Goku cannot seem to bridge no matter how hard he trains.
I think that'd be super interesting because you'd get to explore what happens to a guy like Vegeta when he has nothing left to chase - he's not DRIVEN to simply be better than himself or fight just for fun - he is driven to be the best, the strongest - it's everything to him. If he ACHIEVES that....what next? Perhaps he loses all interest in fighting.
For GOKU's part, I do think it would get to him. It would have to. Goku DOES have an arrogant, cocky side- we see it at times like when Goku comes out of the time chamber and basically says "I know keeping up with me is important to you so go on in, you'll need all the training you can get" before flat out stating he's stronger. He definitely has some of that saiyan arrogance in him and in fact Whis points out that Goku's arrogance is an issue for him in that it leaves him open too much.
WHy is Goku arrogant? Because he's very very used to WINNING or at least knowing that if he trains hard he CAN eventually win.
But what if Vegeta, this guy he viewed as as a bit of a non-threat, leaves him in the dust? At first he'd go "oh! Great Vegeta! I'll catch up soon!" - but then if he trains like mad and finds that Vegeta pulls even further ahead, he DOES how frustration and anger when he's been humiliated before. He is capable of being butthurt. What if a year or two pass and the gap keeps widening? He HAS to feel that one. Somewhere inside, Goku has saiyan pride - and he doesn't like to lose. He is optimistic and enthusiastic because life taught him that all he has to do is apply himself and he can surmount any obstacle. If presented with something he CAN'T get past, it may well get to him after a while.
@@kalevipoeg6916 Goku has always been cocky😅, haven't you watched early Dragon Ball?
Its his cockiness and innocent immaturity. Only thing Super did wrong with Goku is playing a bit too much on his immaturity which was a bit out of character based on Z and even him as a Kid.
Vegeta is also more family orientated than Goku is which is ironic. Much more responsible character outside of training and fighting. Goku doesnt know any better than doing how he was raised to maintain his lifestyle.
Yes he literally said it
You be spittin lol… Enjoyed the video man… Love the analysis
Very well reasoned theory and great video!
When he transforms into ssj3 goku claims that he doesn't usually have "occasion" to practice. Meaning your anger theory is pretty on point.
Great break down Bro
Cool video, good job
I like this explanation you weren’t kidding when you said you were making an educated guess this is a theory but a believable one too. Most of your videos are like this good stuff.
This was a masterpiece breakdown of SSJ3. Loved it!
I like your theory with the meditation. When Goku explained to Goten and Trunkts to "search some energy deep, deep inside them", he propably found this when he meditated (Maybe in SSJ Form).
I ways theorised that SSJ3 was the optimal evolution from the infamous bulky strong but super slow (USSJ) form the saijans achieved when training for Cell.
Great job with the video. Whenever I see Super Saiyan 3, I can’t help but have the theme song made by Julius Dobos playing in my head
EXCELLENT video sir!!! Love Dragon Ball!!!
SSJ3 just looks so badass
Great video
The thing about SSJ3 is that it puts way too much strain on the body. Even if you somehow got used to the form. It's basically a natural drawback that comes with it.
But I think what motivated goku to reach that form, was gohan. He's proud that gohan surpassed him. But a part of him wants to reach even greater heights. And he problably wanted to fight gohan at the tournament. To see how far both of them have gotten. As a final send off.
Kinda like how grandpa gohan did for him, back in dragon ball. But buu saga happened. So change of plans.
I think it would be interesting if they did a second Afterlife Tournament (off screen) where Goku won, and learned SSJ3 from training with the Grand Kai for one day, and that’s why Goku didn’t master the form because he only learned it in one day.
Goku applied to lessons he learned to reach Full powered Super Sayain to Super Sayain 2. in other words all is body to become accustomed to the form. Making it feel natural. Whis is telling Goku that with Ultra Instinct as well. Not to transform into it but to already be in that state naturally
"and this is to go even further beyond!" Fuckin goosebumps still.
I thought that whilst Goku had achieved SS2 in other world Vegeta still hadn't when Goku came back to Earth. He saw Goku use it during the raid on Babidi's castle and that's why Vegeta allow Babidi to cast the spell on him to give him SS2 powers.
That's exactly what I think and have always thought.
You all never watched the series lol,this is the most stupid debate ever in dragon ball,vegeta got ssj2 during the 7 year time skip,it is stated everywere,he just needed majin to close the gap
@@Man1999-cy8yeNo, Vegeta got SS2 only when Majin.
@@stefanof.j.982 in your head cannon maybe
@@Man1999-cy8ye maybe yours…
A theory that I came up with that Super Saiyan 3 is it takes an immense amount of willpower to push deep inside yourself and push hard to unlock Super Saiyan 3.
Gotenks - TA DAA
Thank you so much Danny. I have been wondering ever since I first saw the form and got no in depth explanation
So many of you might laugh at this, but I first found out about Super Saiyan 3 from Die-hard Game Fan magazine way back in 95 and 96 thanks to the reviews of Dragon Ball Z games; with posters and action figures advertised in the back of their issues. They actually advertise the name saying ssj3 Goku on the packaging and posters! So I figured " Huh, Goku must have somehow gotten some blonde hair form call Super Saiyan? Pretty cool!" I even loved the Neanderthal thickened brow with Rapunzel like hair!! I just love this form!!!❤
Good vid. Keep it up.
Dude I used to watch unsolved mysteries as a kid like every single day. I love the little nod to it. Great video
Bro these videos are almost a comfort food for me
Thank you, geekdom, for giving all of us the gift of this much anticipated video!!!
I can sum it up in a few words: "Using the same logic he along with Vegeta when discussing surpassing Super Saiyan".
There I save the people watching 13 minutes of their lifespan lol.
I wish we could have got a side story anime chronicling Goku's 7 years in the underworld. It would be a nice change of pace, because he wouldn't have anything higher than Super Saiyan 3 and we could have seen how he actually developed it.
Plus, because we have seen so little of that place it could recapture some of that adventurous feel from original DragonBall. Maybe he met up with Raditz during that time, there are tons of possibilities!
Instead we are getting DragonBall Magic...
Attempts to surpass super saiyan led to various results and potential transformations. Same steps applied while in ssj2 leads to more results. They may not have known there was something beyond but were up for experimenting or felt a deeper power. Now we are getting spin offs to other things like beast Gohan. Transformation development apply to more than just saiyans as Frieza can adjust out even the colors when he said that he picked gold. You could go as far as saying ssj3 isn't complete and more like full powered which is why its not great and heavily taxing.
Oh yeah!! I’ve been waiting on this one for years!!!
Love you for this late night content
Get out with your chip tune Unsolved Mysteries theme song, lmao. Good stuff, brother!
I love that you brought this topic up and like everything you went into here. I just would like to express an idea about a repeating theme that i experienced that dates back to the dragon ball times. it was clear to me when Goku first fought the original demon king Piccolo. Piccolo tried to get at Goku that they where the same, and goku made a clear distinction of there difference, in and some ways more then Piccolo, and in the saying monkey see monkey do. He learns from his enemies and become greater or more. thats we see as far back as when goku first tried the Kamehameha. the next time that showed insight to these transformations is cell and Gohan. in some light Cell can be seen as all of the 'Karma" of his ancestors. Gohan battled his based, the strongest Dna the universe had up till Gohan himself. and it makes sense that gohan would lead that transformation, and maybe thats why goku new it had to be Gohan, because cell was everyone else and more. what this was revealing is that the enemy also brought a new level to for them to transcend within themself. Buu is the personification of the pure raw evil or chaos within the universe, and thus in reflection Goku. goku vs Frieza is master of self, vs Cell is master of your generation or your time line, vs Buu is master of the universal self, hence why God and its transformational story arch follows. thanks again for putting this together, just felt like sharing this perspective to on it.
Great video! New subscriber here!
Makes you wonder how Gotenks got it so easy.. I also do find it strange that Vegeta has never unlocked ss3 outside of the games, not even in Super.
Awesome video man! Love this form and im convinced that a the Tail would have been the Key to its full mastery and elimination of the stamina issue!
I can remember speculating about this topic and how he was also able to conceal this power. Because once he transforms everyone and their mom can feel his energy all the way in other world. In theory Gokus energy should’ve been felt by everyone on earth when he first transforms. Unless they had a way to conceal his presence in the afterlife
Been waiting for this for years
14:48 In the resurrection, f movie and show arc goku and vegeta called out freiza on not utilizing his golden form before coming to Earth to exact his revenge.
Good stuff
One thing that I find interesting is that the main saiyan transformations seem to be natural and inherent to the species and are "unlocked" seemingly by being within a certain range of power and being in an extreme emotional sitiuation. But then we've got characters like Frieza who specifically created his transformations. I find it interesting that the saiyans are always trying to unlock a new level of power but have never thought to specifically create one.
Nice unsolved mysteries intro!
Seeing goku transform into ss3 with the Bruce falconer track behind it for the first time is etched into my childhood memory forever I believe i was 10 or 11 when buy saga was on toonami
Goku learned ssj3 throw deep meditation and upping his training to what it is today in the show he even explains the steps to the kids when he runs out his time even king kie said something about how he changed his training in other world
Nice video as always. A few things though. The body works differently when being dead. You touched upon with the energy drain of SSJ 3 but (and this all is all from English dubbed anime):1. In the Saiyan saga, King Kai says to Goku that the time he would spend training on his planet (6 months?) would equal several thousand years on Earth. This is all from memory so I could be wrong. Nevertheless, it was never specified that the gravity on the Grand Kai his planet was also 10x that of Earth but Goku indeed trained all this time under King Kai. I think training dead + his own knowledge + King Kai’s help made him above Vegeta in SSJ 2. Also Goku had Spirit control training under the Yardrats, so he was more polished than Vegeta and could sense more (he sensed Majin Buu before Vegeta did during their fight, and later in DBS sensed Frieza while doing chores/training with Vegeta on Beerus‘s planet for the first time. Also, (and this is also from the English dubbed anime) Goku said to Vegeta during their fight that he has been through the most intense training on Otherworld … but it looks that Vegeta even want harder, to which Vegeta said that might be true. Also, when Vegeta said to Gohan (before the tournament) that while Gohan went on dates and to the library, he did nothing but severe training the entire time. Bulma vouched for that. So family life didn’t gave Vegeta soft knees when it came to training.
Now, on Goku not knowing what meditation is, I can strangely relate to Goku there as an illustrator. I was doing this thing called "pigeonholing", locking myself into one style, but never knew that there was a word for it. Goku WAS meditating the entire time, but just didn't knew exactly what it was called up until that point.
Hat off to you sir. I agree with your explanations wholeheartedly.
Let's not forget when golden freeze achieved the transformation and didn't master it. His stamina didn't last long just like ssj3.
I definitely see this episode being inspired by that scene in the recent abridged clips
I really like your explanation 10/10
I think he was honestly overwhelmed with power and achieved a greater height through meditation and accidentally came across the tipping point because of the Kai boosting power of a dead body. Before he went to the other world Goku mastered being SS all the time I can imagine he could have easily sustained ss2 😅 and got curious how to get stronger than Gohan as soon he died. I love this Robert stack style. It also makes sense why he goes false SS when he decides to power up against the Ginyu Force IMO. So in point being dead is why he could achieve a mastery overt SS because as soon as he came to earth and also alive on two occasions he was not able to do anything. Lol comedy GOLD.
Yeah and also- - meditation was one of the first "techniques" he learned how to do for training waaaay back with Mr Popo in DB, and there are loads of shots of him meditating, even with other people across DBZ too :')
i was a big fan on this channel and dragon ball in general it was what made me happy but in the recent year and a half depression has had me too down to care about it but now im all good again and just remembered dragon ball was a thing and it was like a damn tidal wave of memories and here i am on this video and about to get caught up on dragon ball after this video
Damn, that's a good point to bring up the kaio ken. It was a multiplier! Applying that to an internal thing makes sense
The more than I watch videos explaining on SSJ3, the more I think that Goku's initial SSJ3 transformation was like ssj2.75 because of the greater power vs. stamina compensation, which was somewhat comparable with ssj grade 3. The form was there, but the stamina and power retention weren't perfected. I felt that he had improved ssj3 when he first met Beerus.
Geekdom with that unsolved mysteries theme intro. Hell yeah!
I always had the theory its like trying to force a great ape transformation without the moon. With the way his face warps and his hair grows out its like hes transitioning into ape form but trying to keep a human shape at the same then of course he doesnt have a tail so theres that stop gap as well than trying to maintain it.
most epic transformation in dbz I have on vhs the episodes where goku transformed watched it many times as a kid