Lexus GX 550 vs Ineos Grenadier: The Two HOTTEST New 4x4s of 2024 - Which is Better?
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Today we compare the new Lexus GX 550 against the new Ineos Grenadier! Which is better?
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The white GX has an extra Stormtrooper feel.
Even though they are priced the same, the Grenadier comes from the factory ready for offroading. You don't have to spend extra $$ after buying the vehicle to get it ready for overlanding like you would on the GX (rock sliders, steel bumper, etc). I think both vehicles will be a hit in their own target markets. Lastly i would say that if I drove more than 15,000 miles a year then I would get the GX, if I drove less than 15k the Ineos for me.
You can get sliders for the GX installed as a dealer option - just like the Ineos. The only offroad options really that the Ineos offers that the GX doesn't is a front locker and a winch - the latter of which I only really consider required equipment.
When you don’t know how to drive, apparently just use the lockers.
You get all that in the overtrail trims btw they just couldn’t get that trim in time
Before seeing more information about the two vehicles, I would have said the Grenadier was my pick. Now that I have more information, I'm leaning heavily towards the GX550 in the Overtrail trim.
It's easy to forget the importance of on-road refinement shopping overland type vehicles, but the reality is, most routes are 80% or more on-road in North America. The GX550 is heads and tales better on-road while retaining 90%+ of the Grenadier's offroad chops. It's a better balance of the core considerations. Tack on Toyota's history in this market space, and the decision becomes clear.
That’s the natural choice for most folk. The Grenadier has a lot of commercial vehicle design choices.
I own a Grenadier and a 2017 LR Discovery. The Grenadier simply drives different. I wouldn't hesitate to own it because of road manners. I love how it drives. Extremely planted feeling and less body roll.
I pre-ordered and took delivery; I traded in my Everglades, which I only had for 3 months, and my GX460 owner prior. It was a tough choice because I know it's a crap shoot with Ineos. But driving it felt different, and I know I would regret it if I didn't get one if I saw one on the road.
@cubs1908wsc admittedly, I've had the opportunity to enjoy my 80 series which scratches that SFA itch. The 80 really is as good as the legend states.
Ineos nailed the looks. Price isssss to be expected for a start up but I wish they could have pulled it down to the 50s
I'm with Tommy. GX overtrail is clearly a better value, it's going to be way more comfortable, probably way more reliable. But the Grenadier is just cooler, I imagine getting behind wheel feels like going on Safari every single time, even if you're just heading to pick up a pizza.
It's Tommy, Andre ...and the TFL Camera Ninja 😊🔥🔥
Andre and Tommy, the best TFL combo
One of my favorites!
You're right, Andre! I'm an Airbus pilot and love my Grenadier.
18.7mpg in the Grenny? Are you sure those are US and not Imperial gallons? There’s a rather large difference. I have 2600 miles and average 13.6 in Texas
I have over 2k miles in mine and saw up to 18mpg on a long trip. Mostly 16mpg overall. I got 11mpg off-road - in low the whole time. Maybe try resetting your trip computer and see what you get.
13.6 is more like it
@@steveberry4527 Are you running off what the dash says? I'm using the Fuelly App where I put in actual odometer readings and gallons pumped for every fill up.
Vehicles like the ineos grenadier(Toyota land cruiser 70-series) make alot of sense here in Zambia (Africa) coz most roads are gravel,washed away & potholed.hence rugged SUVs make sense.
how much is a new gen LC70 in Zambia in USD?
Super strong video guys. Really showed a lot of depth on the vehicles and you guys looked like you were having fun doing it - Boom Shak-ah-lach-ah - did not expect that. Very funny.
Magna Steyr, another great Canadian owned company, invented the 4-matic system used by Mercedes, and builds all of the BMW Z4 and Toyota Supra sportscars, all B58 - 6 cylinder engines, and builds the E-class cars for M-B, various Jaguars - the I-Pace, E-Pace and others, and even the new Fisker Ocean Electric. Magna engineered all of Mercedes electric lineup as well. They also build a bunch of European VW product. They are one of the world giants of the automotive field.
It's a canadian-austrian company with it's hq in Canada where it was founded by the austrian Frank Stronach who later went back to Austria to build his company up there as well.
And the Grenadier was developed at the Magna plant that builds the G Wagen. I love it so much, it looks like the real new Defender.
Thank you guys , I've been waiting for this.
Hello! The Grenadier was not made for luxury. Rugged use and simplicity, love it.
Our 2001 Isuzu Trooper also has great 4WD mechanics and visibility, a split rear door with full size spare, and 6-cyl with terrible fuel economy. Solid as a tank and terrific reliability over 20 years. Maybe this is what you should compare to the Ineos 🤠
I have a deposit down for a GX 550 Overtrail and nothing I saw here has changed my mind. These two vehicles weigh about the same and I think the Ineos is going to feel underpowered. Especially once you put 35 or 37 inch tires on. While I do like the old school look of the Ineos, the Lexus style and elegance really speaks to me. And honestly, I think the Overtrail is going to out perform the Ineos by leaps and bounds.
As an older Australian..what can i say..i worked for while with Toyota, so i know the quality build of the Lexus..but as the owner of a 1985 series landcruiser (HJ75 with a 2H diesel engine) the man was right about what he said about the Australian market 😂
I love the look of the grenadier...and give me toggle switches every day!
Toggle switches are good but Ineos went for push button with no obvious latching for important things like axle diff locks, off road and wading modes; and then further co fused things by some requiring double push and some single🤷♂️.
The bottom line is that the Ineos is about $40000 too expensive for what it is
I don't understand where people are coming from when they think that $80K plus should get you a rugged no-frills, basic off-roader
I'd agree if you said $20,000 too expensive. But I paid that for a 2 door Bronco. And it's definitely more substance than that! What could you get for $40,000 that is equivalent to this? But I agree, it is too expensive which is why I pulled my pre-order after they upped the price.
@@DG-uu9bz I just got a 2021 Lexus GX with 27k miles for $39. Styling isn’t as cool as the New GX/ Land Cruiser / Ineos / Bronco but the reliability of the current GX’s NA 4.6 V8 (made in Japan) is already proven.
@@SunnynPhillyThat’s used and the discussion is about new vehicles
@@DG-uu9bz a 2021 base bronco with sasquatch
It's scalability... Like Tesla when they first made cars they are expensive at first and scale downwards. It's pointless to compare these two.
I'm not interested in off-roaders. I'm not interested in Lexus, Toyota, Land Rover beefy SUVs, including old school old Defender or even new one for the matter.
However I watched entire video just because Grenadier has some unexplainable attractiveness to it making anyone wish to watch it in real life or even in a CZcams video.
Wish the Ineos got the 3.0L diesel engine that everyone but us get!
Me too. The Lexus also has a diesel engine overseas in the LC300, which is what I really want.
perfect video, sitting here with a pre-order on the Grenadier and while interested in the Lexus . . . . as of now, sticking with the Grenadier . . . .
The Grenadier manual says you should have the pressures at 36/36 PSI when unloaded. Maybe try airing down a little and the ride will be smoother over the logs at least.
Grenadier is what purists hoped the new defender would be. And that is what i would choose. GX is a much more sensible choise but grenadier is the perfect toy for grown-ups
I live in a small city in Virginia, and someone here has the same color blue Grenadier here. I was very surprised.
The Grenadier is straight-up BADD-ASS.
...If you never need to do a u-turn 😁
Andre's kryptonite - mention cruise control
Andre's favorite truck feature - trailer/integrated brake control
2022 Grand Cherokee Trailhawk (last ice engine) vs Lexus GX 550. That's the best Overlanding comparison I could think of.
I think the Grenadier looks awesome in blue. You should name it Papa Smurf.
I saw a higher trim Ineos parked in St. Pete’s last week. Looked really nice! It was out on the town for dinner!
Looks like the old Land Cruiser 😍
While these vehicles are capable of going off road; we all know that it will very rarely, if ever, actually happened. And, to choose, while I do like the switches and buttoned control layout of the Grenadier; I would have to choose the truck that is made by an established manufacturer which has a very good record for building durable and reliable vehicles and which has an established dealer network throughout the country
The ineos is meant for offroading. It's not a luxury vehicle like the GX. If you're buying it on purpose for outdoor use it's hands down the better option. Every detail about it is an overlander's dream. I've got 3k miles on mine, and no regrets. It has it's first gen issues, but overall it's a beast on the trails.
But is it reliable?
You didn't compare the right GX (I know its not your fault). The new GX blows the Ineos out of the water when it comes to overall capabilities and value. The interior of the GX is light years ahead of the Grenadier. It drives much better on road. Offroad, the overtrail will do just as well if not better than the Ineos AND the best part is that the Overtrail can be had for $10k less than what the Ineos is. The only thing missing from the GX is the front locker which, lets admit it, most people don't need. The GX can tow more too. Unless you like the looks of the grenadier, there's just no reason to go with it versus the GX.
I think the difference is that Ineos uses a lot of heavy duty parts and solutions?
Let’s face some facts: not many of Ineos or GX are going to go off road. These are all “lifestyle” vehicles for cosplaying. After the honeymoon period, those who drive the Ineos is going to realize how uncomfortable this vehicle is for daily driving, with no features for comfort and convenience. GX is at least capable but also a luxury vehicle.
What are you, the PR guy for Lexus?😂 GX is a better daily, Grenadier is a better off roader. To say the GX is more capable off road is hilarious.
You are exactly correct. I have an order for the IG. But now I’m crossing shopping the GX550. The GX is $16k less than the IG I have spec’d . Plus, I believe the GX will have greater long term residual value too, and reliability. I’m really torn because I haven’t driven the GX yet. At some point I will either have to purchase the IG or return it to the dealer, who is about 30 minutes away.
@@edza118you think the ineos will outlast that Lexus? I don’t.
I am really rooting for the Grenadier to be a success in the US. There are so many more positives than negatives for this 4x4, and I'm hopeful that the engineers will make some of the recommended enhancements. Most are minor, but a major one is the steering radius. I just can't envision the Grenadier to be suited for trail switchbacks or tighter trails that a Wrangler, FJ Cruiser/GX, or Bronco would explore.
I did see one in person in Oregon, On lines doesn't do it justice. Fyi Grenader.
That type of sunroof in the lexus is the same type of roof my wife has in her 2024 venza. It's cool to watch.
The sway bars are thicker with the KDSS on the overtrail plus. Since it’s able to disconnect the engineers made it a priority to have a more sturdy ride when KDSS is not on.
I love the way Andre said “see?”
I've had my Grenadier for a few months now and I cannot imagine driving any other vehicle. Long distance road tripping in it has never been more exciting. While the Lexus is nice, nothing comes close to the feeling you get driving a Grenadier. To the folks that say the Grenadier isn't luxury, tell that to every single person that comes up to me and asks if I paid $140,000k.
Tommy has a cool new jacket! That style is really popular right now.
Not sure if anyone knows, but would the barn style doors on the Grenadier be better for rooftop tents? Could you have one or more doors open while still allowing access to rear entry (e.g. clam shell) type tents?
When youre listing ground clearance... to which part are you referring to? Is that ground clearance under the skid plates or to the very lowest point of the rear differential?
It’s defined by the manufacturer as the lowest point underneath, which is typically the rear (or front) differential
oh man. I wish you guys could do this test with the overtrail and same tires on both vehicles. If only both didnt cost an arm and a leg to own!
I thought TFL said in a previous video the Ineos weighed like 7k pounds. Also if I were buying one I'm going with the GX too. I want the on road comfort and tech more than I want/need the off road goodies.
I’ve owned two LX’s a 450 and a 470. The Grenadier reminds me of the first time I got behind the wheel of the 450. It feels amazingly solid. If it’s as reliable as a the LX p, I’ll be a very happy Grenadier owner.
The inneos’s locker process makes me appreciate my F150, you just pull the knob and the rear locks without delay or changing gear. It’ll also go into 4auto and 4high on the move which is so nice.
Ford by far has the easiest Lockers to enable/disable in the market. Most others wish they were as easy.
@@mrskflynn yeah on the first snow video they had the manual open and it took a solid 2 minutes to get the diffs locked in the Ineos. You also have to have the Ineos in 4 low and locked to use the diff lock, people don’t know the f150’s rear locker can be used in any mode even 2wd. I’m definitely spoiled by my 5yr old f150 haha
@BobNH3 low for locking the rear and then front. You can drive high locked. Also, it works best that you push the button while driving. Multiple videos show drivers push the button on and off on the fly. No issues.
@@BobNH3 ;_ ) didn't they say they "had just come from picking" the vehicle up in their 1st video.
After hands on with the Bronco's push button lockers, it harkens me back to 1st time not having to get out and turn the hubs . Once I had a taste of the simplicity (not my $%&* off) it is hard to go back, no matter how robust.
The biggest complaint seems to be the pin likes to slid out making it so the lift action doesn't catch.
Tommy you say “everything” is tucked up out of the way on the INEOS, what about the steering damper bar, which sits low in front of the diff.
Overtrail variant would be more ideal to compare with ineos which also comes with A/T tyres from the factory like the Lexus.
Tommy and Andre gold. Somehow there is a lot of great info here and entertainment. Keep money bags in the office 😅
Angels aren't terrible that's pretty close to a stock Cherokee Trailhawk actually except for the departure angle. You'll have to go slow. I'm mostly worried about that departure angle. For turning around in a hung up place you really need a good approach or departure at least so you can at least get the front end or the rear end up on something so that you can turn around. With a long wheelbase like that you really need one of those to be pretty good.
I saw an ineos with bigger tires and it didn’t look great. One of the main things was how the roof is like extended off of it and made it look super weird.
Fun Video! Looking forward to the Ineos Grenadier vs Lexus GX550 OverTrail comparo. But, frankly, I am concerned about the Lexus's (and New Land Cruiser's) rather low ground clearance (no better than a Subaru!)
Tommy: "BOOM!"
Andre: "...Shakalaka"
😂😂😂😂😂😂
The base IG and the GX Overtrail are priced virtually identically at about $72k. But that price doesn’t get you either front or rear locker on the IG. You do get the rear locker in the GX Overtrail. Getting the IG Trialmaster takes you to $80K, which includes the front and rear lockers. Of course additional luxury accessories can get you to the same price in the GX. The IG can be spec’d from the factory with greater capabilities. So if off roading is super important then the IG is the choice. If some off roading is what you need, the GX is probably the prudent choice. Remember the GX is essentially a Landcruiser and that ain’t bad after all.
Yup that's what people don't get. The GX is a luxury daily driver that you CAN take off-road if you wanted to and the Grenadier is an agricultural off-roader meant for rural settings, farms and remote long distance work
If you install bigger tires on the Ineos will you be able to open the rear doors? I couldn't tell by the video but the narrow door seem to get close to the spare when you open it.
Yes. Up to 33.5
People got 35 by using washers on the door carrier.
The Ineos looks so much like an old-school Toyota Land Crusier. I like that. I just wish there was a tighter steering option than ball.
Very capable and reliable (although Ineos is still an unknown) 4x4 vehicles suit a niche market in terms of the consumers who will actually make use of the 4x4 capabilities. In my opinion, when the lack of luxuries are considered a negative for such a vehicles, the niche market becomes a niche within a niche. Thanks for sharing. Cheers
Grenadier looks good. But, surely it's the first edition. All that metal latches on the ceiling control center - they can be disastrous during an actual disaster.
@klaymoon1 TWO WORDS: Seal Belts.
Feel free to explain how you see the mechanical switches for the center are any more dangerous (disastrous) than any other vehicle.
@mrsk…. “Seal Belts”? Why does a seal hitting hard (belting) someone? 😃 This surely needs further explanation.
@@is6566 Seat Belts made out of baby Seals of course! ;p
I would love to see this compared to a Badlands. Do I need to drive mine down!?
I don't like the front of the Lexus, the Grenadier is different, but I like it more. I like much the Rubicon and the Bronco Raptor. It's my opinion, of course. Thanks for the video guys!
You guys Reminded me of the night rider "Kitt"😅
The Ford Ranger has a longer wheelbase yet three feet less turning circle. That’s a consequence of the Grenadier having an antiquated tractor beam axle with outboard double universal joints, which limits it to around sixty degrees of lock both ways. Their choice of live axle is also responsible for it having a recirculating ball power assisted steering box which just doesn’t compare with the latest electric power rack and pinion steering which does away with steering hydraulics including a reservoir and pump.
The solid axle is the best and toughest option for an off-roader.
@@thebulgarianguy8461 If that priority over-rides all other practicalities, yes. However I have a fleet of tractors with lugged radial tyres for that purpose on 38 and 42” rims. Each to their own.
I would be happy with either one. But for the price probably would go with the Lexus off road trim version.
Having gone through 2 or 3 Landrovers by this point I suspect this vehicle is off to a good start.
Why? It is from a different company and does not use any Land Rover parts.
Those are 3rd party rock sliders on the Ineos (the factory ones don’t have steps). Anybody know which rock sliders?
yes, please compared with the overtrail
Tbh it’s looking like to me for a NEW dedicated off-roader / overlander I’m just going with a zr2 (obviously not an suv so not comparable) but a rooftop tent can fix that
I'd be interested to know what the true cost of ownership will look like for these two beauties. How hard and how expensive will it be to source parts for the the Grenadier? For a dedicated off-roader, I may go with Ineos. For an overall lifestyle vehicle that will take me reliably to work every day and also across the country on an overlanding trip, I'd have to go with the GX (Overtrail).
Anecdotally, it looks like Ineos are turning over early adopters on parts costs - spare wheels, keys, light units are all eye wateringly expensive.
@@stevegreen101 Got proof of that? Or just more conjecture?
LOL. Really.. "Spare Wheel" . Oh except the IG comes with 5 full size wheels (4 + matching spare). The bolt pattern is the same as any recent 4x4 Benz Van. They are literally nearly giving them away in the "Lifestyle" circles.
Spare key is expensive if you go through ANY dealer. The actual FOB $ is pittance,. it's being able to clone and program the new FOB that is of issue.
The lights, are not proprietary, so no reason to be paying much over retail.
The cost of ownership is exactly what I want to know.
Full size spares on the hatch are the best way to do it. Doors that open sideways have their own befits as well. I like that I can attach a bike rack to the spare tire completely out of the way so I can still go off-road where a hitch mount would get in the way.
GX460 owners, please upgrade and give us some used inventory. You deserve it!
Looks good but those many buttons on the roof of the Ineos Grenadier, are just too much and will be confusing LOL
GX Over Trail all day on all accounts. Also try finding service and parts for the Ineos when traveling. Aftermarket support for the GX and Land Cruiser will be abundant.
Take a look at the drive shaft it has a very different configuration. Some people are worried.
Can you explain more?
@@stevegreen101it has a slight curve to it.
Curve?
@@stevegreen101 curve was a bad choice of words but it is a unique shape to it
@shekharmoona544
It's the same type of off center (different lengths/angles) as old school Landies. Allows you the driver to know easily there the diffs ("meatballs") are. Those "some people" most likely the same "some people" who had hoped on being able to buy and flip the IG without understanding it's intended market.
After the Comparison GX550 or the LC250 200%. Ineos looks amazing but is about going out and be sure your are coming back. Plus the GX on 22” did all the test without issues imagine it with the right tires and the rear locker
I’ve got the Bellstaff edition which has heated leather seats. You can go for single colour or two tone which I went for and it’s a much better interior comparable to Porsche, BMW or Mercedes leather seats. This gives the perfect balance of a nice luxury interior with the rugged go anywhere capabilities that it was designed for.
The Toyota 76 Series GLX Wagon in 2.8l auto is A$ 83,900 or US $ 55,400 roughly 2/3 the price of a Grenadier. To my mind the 76 is more of a comparable replacement to a Land Rover Defender. Had the Defender been made today it would probably be in a similar price range.
The Grenadier in RHD also has a massive intrusion where the driver would rest their left foot and this makes it a non starter for me.
Not that it will be cheap, however I would choose the Land Cruiser or 6th gen 4Runner over either of these. The money you save could be used for upgrades (if needed). For something to rival the Ineos off-road the Bronco or Wrangler come to mind. For cost, off-roadiness and reliability our old lifted 4Runner still rocks.
FYI Land Cruisers have always come with Dunlop Grand Trek tires and being that the GX is a Lexus Land Cruiser, the tires make sense.
Came here from Steve Lehto's video about car companies tracking where you go and your behaviors and the car companies selling your data to marketers, insurance companies and the government. Was wondering if you guys are going to cover it too? Maybe in a podcast?
Also, I'm in the USA and want a 70-series Land Cruiser. I guess with new cars spying on users I have enough incentive to import a 25 year old 70-series.
Is the diamond plate on the Grenadier plastic like the Land Rover Defender? I’m
guessing not!
Do one of these against Rivian R1S please
Sorry André but the Unimog Was never build in Austria at Steyr. It was build first in Gaggenau in the black forest and moved than to Wörth am Rhein, the biggest truck factory in the world.
The austrian offroad military vehicle Pinzgauer has been produced at Steyr-Daimler-Puch.
As a CDL holder the rear window visibility bothers me not🤷
If the vehicle was going to be my everyday daily I would choose the lexus. However if it was going to be my fun vehicle I would take the Grenadier
They’re both amazing and gorgeous vehicles! The Lexus is a beautiful reliable luxury car which has all the off road capabilities even if it’s never used as such.
The Grenadier is a dedicated rugged off roader with a high cool factor and not so comfy on road but it’s a compromise buyers will be willing to make.
Love them both.
kinda has a cockpit looking of those jet airliners but more simplified. 20:00
I would take the GX550 period. Built on the Landcruiser legacy, this SUV can last you a lifetime while the Ineos has yet to be proven. I maybe biased on this but I’ve owned Toyota and Lexus vehicles/SUV’s for over three decades and they never let me down. However, I’ve always performed scheduled maintenance.
The Grenny is nice but it’s industrial looking for the price and reliability n questionable dealerships are a pass for me . Both trucks are winners still to me for the elite .
Only thing "questionable" is tagging dealerships as such without actual empirical evidence, ie not just here say "A friend of ..".
Without such, could say same thing about ANY Auto Dealership in the US, regardless of affiliation.
The Grenadier is built like it should be this rockcrawling, trailbashing brute, but it needs a number of mods to be that. As they are currently coming from the factory, they really are not that much more capable than the GX Overtrail. And they are more expensive with less luxury. While the GX will actually be more comfortable and actually better at the lighter duty offroading. So for a lighter duty offroading and overlanding kinda rig, I think I’d go GX Overtrail. I love the look of the Grenadier and man does it appeal to me more on the surface, but when you take a deep dive is where it comes up short for being able to do what its design suggests. If the aftermarket gets going and gives us the mod kits to make that Grenadier as capable as a body on frame, front and rear solid axle, selectable Locking center and front and rear differential vehicle should be, then the Grenadier would be my pick to build up for harder stuff.
I love the new GX550 but I can’t get my head around the decision not to offer an option on the overtrail for 7 seats. Having that flexibility would make this an all round hit.
The Ineos looks like it costs $45k. If it did it would be cool. But it doesn’t, so I’ll happily take the GX.
The Grenadier should sell for similar prices as the Bronco. At the end of the day it’s a Defender without an oil leak, which is special but not $80k special. The Lexus is too rich for my taste, but I really think they’re not comparable.
Steel wheels . . . . Tommy's favorite
3:00 “they’ve made a lot of money”…..exactly.
fold and tumble 2nd row would really suck if you have kids with car seats! something that isn't mentioned much for that third row.
In my mind, a Grenadier is for an off-road eccentric, a gentleman hunter and his dogs, or a farmer/rancher who wants to replace their Mil-surplus Humvee. I'm sure California mall parking lots will be full of them.
And the Lexus will be any different?
What year is that ineos grenadier
You know you guys should’ve gotten the over trail trim level on the GX 550 from Lexus instead of the luxury or luxury plus trim that’s more for on road use the luxury trim of the GX rides on 22 inches wheels.
What colour white is the GX?
I think I like the Ineos because It's still have analog switches but the problem is is it reliable because it's a brand new company