What's better? PodGo or HX Stomp? Part 3/5
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- čas přidán 11. 05. 2020
- Line6 release the PodGo... but where is the difference between it and the HX Stomp?.... this is Part 3 of 5.... let's check it out together!
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Agree, there’s no discernible difference in sound. This just about clinches the deal for me. Thank you Henning!
Well, I have watched 3 of this series so far and I believe the Pod Go is really the way to go, at least for what I need it does. Thanks very much for doing the series (I will also watch the others I have not watched yet). Also, it is totally cool with the animals at the end of the videos...
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Great review Henning, thanks so much. All of your reviews are great- great, in depth information, and lots of humor and personality. I own the Pod Go and have owned the full floor Helix and native since it came out. I am also a 35 year professional sound engineer for television and university audio educator. Set the same, doing a blind ABX test, the full Helix and Pod Go sound exactly the same. Haven't tried a null test but it doesn't matter - blind they are indistinguishable.
exactly. I was quoted a 400.00 USD price New in the U.S. so it's a simple decision. I already have the Helix lt and like 5 others and I love Atomic AA6 but fried it accidentally plugging my pedal power brick power supply into it and have been looking for options. I like simple. I'm not a computer science guy. I'm old and didn't grow ups w computers and commenting on youtube is about my technical limit. I have several great heads and a Rockcrusher attenuator and large bins full of vintage and new pedals. might give the POD GO, a GO.
Thanks for another great video! I am very interested in this product and your demos have been very helpful. Rock on!
the details in your videos are insane. amazing content.
Thanks for the vid Henning! I've been eyeing some of these options and this is helpful. The lack of midi kills it for me so I may just buy something like an hx effects or full helix. I think the HX Stomp is really cool since it's tiny, just wish it had a bit more processing power and the midi capabilities are limited
Thanks for the review, a lot of hard work, helping me to make a decision on which unit I should buy
The price of the HX Stomp I'd imagine is justified by being a part of the Helix family, which has more robust editing software and receives regular and comprehensive updates. POD GO is part of the POD family and will not likely see the same future support. It may cost more to cram all the parts into a smaller enclosure. The parallel routing may be complex to achieve. Midi is not always cheap to implement. The Stomp does have more processing power, but only slightly. It's probably the same chip as the GO but at a higher clock speed. The Stomp has higher sample rate IR loading. It has longer looping time.
By the way, the number of blocks is not an indicator of processing power. Line 6 have confirmed that firmware 3.0 will bring 8 blocks to the Stomp. It's not increasing the processing power; it's adding blocks for people who have processing power left in a preset and want to add an effects loop block, a wah, a volume pedal, an EQ, something that doesn't require very much power.
Also, the Helix LT and Floor have dual processors. It's the same chip as the Stomp; just two of them for parallel processing.
I guess we will see how the support goes for the POD, but you are likely correct. They left the Firehawk FX in the wind a long time ago but still sell it new today, all the while adding lots of stuff to the Helix line.
It would be interesting to know what kind of extra power you get with stomp vs pod go... If basically you have 10% more, sound not a lot...
Great comparison and in depth view of the differences. I agree I could hear no difference in sound and at the end of the day isn't that what we pay for, so why pay more! 🤔🙏👍
2 different tools for 2 different jobs, both sound great 👌🏼
I'm a big ol' Helix LT user - can't wait to get back on stages again with it..! :-)
Great demo as always Henning - very happy with my HX stomp, but tbh I think they’re near identical! Also yeh, I’ve found a few of the presets good but they all need to be set to your own gear to really work well.
Thank you Henning, this is a very helpful video. I am an old school guy but realise the world is moving fast and I probably do not need so much gear these days. Love your humour and love your very German no bullshit approach (hope that does not sound racist :) , trust me I am very anti Brexit, I am a European!). Seriously, you cut to the chase mate and your demos are those of a real player, not a bedroom noodler.
Great series, Henning! The POD Go does technically have MIDI, but via USB only. The CC assignments are even essentially the same as the HX products. I seem to recall an interview out there with a Line 6 product rep stating that the HX Stomp, does technically have a more capable DSP in it, and is just block limited. From what I understand, the POD Go has more blocks due to the fact that some of the fixed effects are relatively low-demand on the processor. Also, the 3.0 HX update is supposed to add two more blocks to the Stomp (increased flexibility, although that will also make it easier to run out of DSP faster) and MIDI Command Center (which the POD Go will not have). It will be interesting to see if 3.0 gives additional benefits to the Stomp, as well. Another plus for the HX Stomp is that it will always get the same model updates the Helix does. Time will tell if the POD Go does, as well. I think you nailed the reasoning, though: HX Stomp incorporates better with an existing pedal board, whereas POD Go is better as a (somewhat cheaper) grab-and-go that is a bit friendlier to use and less of a loss if damaged on the road.
The really sound exactly the same...
@Klaus Ebner They sound the same. Really.
@Klaus Ebner They sound exactly the same.
For sound comparisons 12:00
The funny bald guy's 2 cents 27:26
Well he didn't do his research.. HX stomp DPS is a bit better, it's smaller, and you don't HAVE to use it in some way like the pod, and again - the freaking small footprint
the pod is great for someone who wants and quick "all in one" effect box.. it's great item for someone who want to enter this world of modelers.
Guter hilfreicher Vergleich der unterschiedlichen Line6 Produkte.
Hx stomp ftw! I mean i was on tour with only one guitarcase... let that sink in. The sound was great and being less exhausted and having a nice sound really meant i had more fun on stage
Thank you for quick side-by-side comparison. The Pod seems to have more inherent midrange. It’s subtle. Nothing that couldn’t be EQ-ed to match if it’s even worth the effort.
Thanks for the video. It ll be great to hear the pod go with a variax.
Thanks Henning. I was a bit more on the Stomp side of life, because it has a built in AudioInterface but I already have one that is doing decent (for my actual needs). There is a RME Babyface Pro FS on my wish list already, so I think I go POT cough cough POD I mean and then getting the Babyface later :-) Great video again! \o/
BTW, there has been a $50 price drop on the HX Stomp so it's $599 now (Sweetwater). For an additional cost the HX Stomp is compatible with the Helix software too.
Love what you do be do be do.
Even then, the pricing in the US is high. The HX is priced 19% higher than the POD in Germany, but it's 33% higher in the US. (45% before that $50 drop). Something is goofy about the pricing.
Great comparison. I was wondering why they re-split their product line like this!
Please Henning. Don't tell line 6 that they wrong in saying "that is a lesser product". Just allow them to think of it that way, so that price won't go high. I'm planning to get it.. ahahaha
9:22 TWSS
I like them both but I’d still prefer the big full helix I want option overload!
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No matter the sound in its actuality people hear what they want and don’t. like when a spouse is talking and you say “ok dear” then you realize (much like98% of the audience) you weren’t really listening. Review the wave forms an electron scanning microscope to be identical and people will still Scream it’s not the same😂
That’s not an option here lol
A comparison of the PodGO with the much cheaper Firehawk FX would be nice. Love from Scotland ;)
I think it will be interesting to see if pros go with the podgo. I've seen a bunch of professional guitarists that I admire who use the stomp for travel gigs and practice. If they switch up that'll get my attention.
I already have an HX Stomp so I won't be running out to get the PodGo. But I can't tell the difference sound wise. But I only use my Stomp desktop through a set of monitors so I think I would still prefer the smaller form factor for space saving.
The Pod Go receives and transmits MIDI messages via USB. So, although it has not the old MIDI connectors the functionality is there, with the limitation that you have to have some computer like device to send/receive the messages.
I hope you are getting a good penny for these videos. Very informative...
Realy nice comparision. Thank's for the efforts using the same input performance and dialing up close presets. Nevertheless, as you mentioned those two devices are totally different beasts. Using the PodGo as-is modeller it's really a bargain sound wise. Just plug your guitar in, fiddle some knobs and you'll get a pretty good sound compared to the Helix and beyond pro stuff out there. But for pro's you just try to find your sounds, at least for a season, and that's totally fine with the HX Edit software (which you won't get with the Pod Go). Having setup your device once correctly it's much more about integration to the different usage scenarios. This is where the HX Stomp shins with all it's in and out's and MIDI !!. Well, as a HX Stomp owner....two of 'em, I tried the PodGo at Thomann and well yes...it made my cry because of the money. But being back home, looking at my board and rack I still smile owing the HX Stomp because it just fits my needs.....FOR JUST 80€ more :)
Thank you for this video. I was REALLY wondering about the price
I was interested in the stomp until I found out they charge Americans alot more. I will stick to my tube amps and analog pedals. but my old pod hd 500x does better for me than the pod go. for me that is, and as always fantastic info from this channel !!!! Thanks for all your work !!
Sound the same to me. The first clips I thought the stomp was the clear winner. I've been thinking about the stomp for a while and haven't pulled the trigger. I do the like the form factor of the stomp since I probably won't use the pedal and don't gig. So still a tough choice.
Great video! Loving the series!!!! How well does the pod go work into a real amp and cab combo? Or is it though better only as an all in one rig? Thanks
Hey Henning! Im not a fan of modeling either but with that being said its probably alot of fun for the hobbyist/bedroom players. Thanks for the vid! :)
You say that, but large amount of artist have switched to kemper or Axe
Thanks or this, I ordered the POD Go after YEARS of using a PODxT Live and being okay with it.
It seemed to me at some points (not always), with some tones, that the Pod Go was slightly brighter than the HX. Or the HX might have the volume a bit lower.
But as this is something easily equalizable in any situation, we can consider them tonally equal.
Loving this series.....
Do I have to read the manual though?!?!? 🤣🤣🤣
I didn’t
I think the helix is for those people who already have a pedalboard set, and works with more speaker options. Its for those looking for a mini all-in-one addition for their board. The pod go is for people like me, who play mostly in my house, play at small events and live gigs. The pod go is very handy for musicians like me. Both sound great to be honest, they have differences yes but all in all, both sound great. It just depends on what you really need as a player. :)
Thanks for this amazing video. I just got my pod go a few days ago - and I’m feeling a little better about my purchase - the presets absolutely need to be better.
I’m hoping they push an update for this.
Is there any where you’ve uploaded yo it patches? (I’ll try eye balling them in the video otherwise)
Thanks and regards.
I think midi is a huge deal for the HX. Midi really opens up a massive amount of options. As well as some of the other options mentioned like stereo, better amp/cab options, etc. The small size is a big factor as well. That being said, the sound was identical to me and the POD Go is a great choice if you are not looking to use any of the options the HX brings to the table.
those were some great tones! well done! could you upload the patches to customtone? I'd love to play some licks with them on my hx stomp!
Oh, I wasn't too sure, but at less than half than the Helix I am curious.
Amp is way nicer, but there is no way I need or will use it.
With this there is always the problem that it is digital, and helix has been out for a while now. Eventually a new generation will come and there always seems to be a good improvements there.
Can you turn the amps off and just use the effects? I currently use a HX stomp just within the effects loop but would like to keep it at home just for recording purposes. This seems like a great alternative for a all in one effects unit.
Love your videos, the way (crazy) you portray yourself and the simple language you use while offering honest opinion EVEN when you’re being paid by the very company you’re reviewing!!! That’s some character!! Please, don’t kick me as I’m not a pro and my question may be stupid for most but an honest answer or explanation from you would be priceless. I own two boss gt6 boards I’ve bought used a few years ago and just now getting to the point of exploring them. I’m an aspiring luthier who can adjust your guitar but can’t play. Comparing something like the gt6 too any of these new products is crazy but, how do they compare? Can i get profiles to the gt6 anywhere? Should i but an firehawk fx? I don’t gig but would love to replicate sounds from amps and pedals i can’t afford. I don’t have the means to buy any Helix models but not sure I’ll be able to mimic them on the hardware i have or it’s impossible.
Hey man, I'd like to help, but I don't know the GT6. The PodGo is your best bet!
Thanks for the great video.
How was it recorded? With my headset I can hear that it was not the line out. Am I right?
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Modeling has come a long way - both are great, in essence the story is not about which is better but that modeling is good enough. Both units are a steal. I switched to a HX Stomp (which I bought for 390€ used) replacing my huge board and a 100w top (which I sold all together for 2000€!!!), and my band claims that I have the best sound ever! One thing I want to point out: many people experience problems with the the LT expression pedal, so I am afraid that Line 6 might be a bit easy on the design side with the lower priced versions. Certainly processing power is an issue with the stomp, and might be even more so with the POD go. The one effect which really sucks with all Line 6 products is polyphone octaving, this I still keep as a stomp (and the wah/vol, but just because I need the expression channels for switching buttons, the wah emulation is in fact just fantastic). So I guess there is a valid option for anyone, at the advertised prices all are great choices!
My LT's Expression pedal sensor is having problems too...
Who does the singing on this channel? I love it. Great vocals!
I would love your opinion on this vs the Mooer units. I have always bought the latest Line 6 gear but I am not sure anymore with all the competition they have right now.
I think the PodGo is better than the competition.
Great video!!!
What about bass with OD ... You want a clean signal to keep low end and OD on the other side. Does the Podgo has that flexibility with mix option on fx ?
Eh I got the pod. Have not had a multi effect unit since I had my DigiTech RP250. The damn expression pedal gets me every time.
"I am not a modeller fan" - with $20 000 worth of amps behind him and probably some crazy expensive solution to switch between them easily.
The main reason I switched to an HX Stomp (and now to POD GO) is I got sick of debugging my pedal chain. A patch cable breaks here, some knob turns there, one pedal causes noise etc.
Totally, I just switched to a Helix LT from a 5 piece board- HX effects, tube preamp, mooer radar, tc Mimiq.
I got sick of cable management and pluging in 5 different wall sockets. it would have cost me 250$ for a power supply that would hold all of them. just sold most of it and covered the cost for a Helix LT, minues 80$ I still have to make up :)
Why did you change from Stomp to Pod go?
Unhooked Unhooked the Stomp only has 3 Footswitches. One is used for tap Tempo and tuner. I had an external dual Footswitch for patch switching. 2 foot switches is just not enough for some of the songs my band plays. Also not having an expression pedal was a bummer.
Would be nice to compare Boss GT1000 to helix LT
Great video thanks. Superb audio and video quality as always. Love your posts. Dumb question but if I just have an amp does either one of these pedals make any sense? Like this will probably sound like shit through my Roland blues cube amp right? Nobody ever talks about or shows you how they are hooking these up and what speakers or cabs or amps they are using. Do you need some sort of interface to use the pod go? Or would it sound okay through the front of an amp with no effects loop? The effects sound great through whatever you’re using but I don’t have a setup like yours. A blues cube amp is like playing through a tin can compared to the gear you have. Still curious as to whether this is a good option for someone who just has an amp? Or am I better off with my amp and my pedals? Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks again.
pod go is pretty impressive for the money
I'd go with pod go
The answer is simple for me. Line 6 wants to compete with mooer in this price range. Pod go is great product and the price is insane
Great things comes in small packages....
Can you use third party IRs and amp sims with the POD GO? Because im running a 4x12 mesa cab sim from ownhammer and imo its a night and day difference compared to the stock cab IRs on the stomp.
yes, but the sample rate is lower
Going on the sounds alone, during the first set of comparisons, the Stomp is more 'tube' & the Pod is more 'solid state' to me through PC monitor speakers. The sheer amount of time this series must have taken you to film & edit is insane, however very appreciated. x
weird.... there really is no difference at all.
EytschPi42 I think fractionsally there was
I disagree,i have good speakers going through a vintage technics receiver hooked up to my computer and i could not hear any difference,the pod go is a much better deal!
Jim Simmons happy for you, hope you enjoy it 👍
@@EytschPi42 I agree. HX Stomp sounds beefier and fuller, Pod Go sounds not as "3D" or something... HX Stomp rules!!
It is ridiculously easy to jailbreak the pPod Go presets so you can remove some of the fixed blocks. Just export the preset, edit the resulting text file and then omport it again.
More info can be found on the web.
did the pod go have the impedence issue with rhe c124 cap ? causes the poid go to lose some highr and that is evident on the plexi preset - line 6 will fix it and newer ones dont have the cap
Don't forget with the 3.0 update you get 8 slots on the Stomp.. Don't Judge them apart. Join them together. Increase the DSP. Above all enjoy.
Henning‘s mock English accent at 30:15 sounds like... an actual English accent
with the price diference, PodGo wins.
Soundwise no difference. I think their just tools with different purposes. The HX Stomp will work well with your existing pedalboard. If you like your signal chain but you don't want to carry 2 big amps with you for a stereo setup or you need a univibe for just 2 songs and the next song needs 2 delays etc. the stomp can provide that. Kinda like a swiss army knife in your existing rig.
PodGo is an all in one solution. If you want to be versatile in any situation, it seems like a great tool.
Not having stereo out is big deal on Pod since half of it is for effects and they sound better in stereo. Surprised Line 6 did that since it doesn't coat that much to include.
it has a stereo out
@@EytschPi42 I misheard part in your closing.
Multiple pedals are just convenient.
Well, the HX Stomp is, so far being updated wit the same Firmware updates as the big Helix. The Pod Go isn't
I think the difference in price is because of the midi option. I've heard that implementing midi in traditional tube amps makes them more expensive I dunno :D Don't take my word for it :D
It's different in a tube amp because you need relays and have the Midi communicate with the analog circuits. Here is is already all digital and the MIDI would be a cheap addition. It is really just the physical midi ports that are missing.
@@EytschPi42 Consider me educated :D One question I have a Helix LT and it has midi bit also supports midi via usb, does the Pod GO do the same?
@@NacekO Yes, per the manual, POD Go supports USB MIDI.
is there an independent power amp simulation in both units? say I have a preamp pedal to go with the units. and I still want to get that power amp and ir coloration to the tone. Is it possible?
not as far as I know
Does the POD GO have midi through its USB? Because in the part 1 I saw you mentioning it but now you are saying it doesn’t have midi. I’m a bit confused. Please clarify my doubt.
yes, midi through usb
For recording purpose, HX. For performing stand alone, Pod Go.
Great presets. Would you mind making them available?
not necessary.... you can program those very easily in not time at all
Nice comparing.
They both sounds exactly the same , pretty good :)
Both of them doesn't have AUX IN , that's what I missed for MP3
I may have missed this but do the “always present” Pod Go blocks have to be in every chain? Like if I wanted to use my own cab would I be able to just delete the cab block?
The amp and cab blocks are not deletable
??? So only good for use into the house board or computer?
Won't the Pod Go have midi over the USB port...?
Notification sqaud wazzup?!
WAZZAAAAP! :P
If you can afford the Helix just get a Kemper Profiler Stage for the same price!
If you can get a Kemper but an Axefx for the same price
I cannot hear any difference, but not using headset of phones. I am about to buy the pod go though :)
One difference is that with the POD go you don't get the discount on Helix Native from 399 to 99. As far as I see it on their website. For the ones who care...
POD means it has the old POD engine and HELIX means it's the newer, more powerful HELIX engine? A question you can't get Line6 to answer. 🎶🎸
It is the same engine
Eine Frage zum Thema: Chef, hast du eigentlich mal ein Video gemacht oder planst du eventuell ein Video zu machen, wie man seine Effektkiste mit Midi steuert; bzw. hast du einen Tipp für uns, wo man sich über sowas am besten einliest?
Nee, habe ich keine Videos zu, aber da sollte es so einiges geben... kommt auch immer drauf an was man mit was steuern will. Das ist aber generell nur Fleissarbeit, schwierig sollte es nicht sein.
Du sprichst deutsch? Krass!
@@EytschPi42 Alles klar, danke. Werd mich mal durchs Netz wühlen.
Liebe Grüße!
I agree they should have called it the Helix Go. But why didn't they include a Variax input - they should support the Variax on all their modelling devices. That way the snapshot mode could change guitar models etc., and for a really great price.
Eric Klein (Line 6) talked about that during a Tone Wars interview. Adding VDI and/or Line 6 Digital ports evidently adds significant cost per unit. Their design goal was to pare down the HX hardware as much as possible on the POD Go to make it as affordable as possible, while keeping the same modelling algorithms.
I picked up a brand new Pod go wireless for 400 canadian ...TOTALLY satisfied ....no one will ever beat that deal ... enjoy !
I like the sound on the stomp more. Does anyone know what the lag time is between patch changes? Thats what makes most of these multi things useless for me 😞. Does the stomp have the snapshot thing from the bigget helix?
Not sure about stomp but the POD lag time between patches in significant enough. It has 4 snapshots, though so that solves that problem. Only issue is going from clean to dirty. Decent distortion "pedals" can get the job done. I just got it so I haven't explored it fully, but it will suit almost all of my live needs,
Stomp sounds more open and dynamic to me.
jeroen pretty sure the stomp has snapshots. I’ll check for you. The stomp has 3 snapshots. I just checked it.
@@ForeverDownByLaw in a mix?
same
You sound like comedian Flula Borg, probably the german accent
I guess they added the Pod Go to the Pod family becuase of it beeing easier to use. The Helix Family is quite hard to use. For Line 6 it does not make any sence to build a new sound engine (or whatever its call but i think you get what i mean) that should sound wore than the HX Family just becuase its a Pod. They just took the one they had and pulled some features out to make it more accessible. I woulnd say one is worse than the other, they just have two different
target groups. I get why they sound the same. But i dont get the Price Difference. 90 € Ok, understandable. But 200$ ??? I think the HX Stomp is more like a Pro isch Product, with dual Channel Midi, etc. etc.. And the Pod is a all in one soulution for Private use and beginners. It does not offer the overwhelming options of the HX Stomp and is easier to learn.
Does anybody know if headphones sound the same on the two? I am wondering if they are saving on that interface option. I want to buy a Helix or Pod plus nice Sennheiser HD600... So wondering if it would sound the same.
I have a Pod Go and it sounds great with my headphones. I've seen many different posts saying they sound bad but mine sounds amazing. I used headphones more often than anything else.
Diggin the pod go!
in the future ‘helix’ gonna change their filmware and much more better than the POD family. Cause the Helix is their headline. This is my opinion, maybe🤷🏻♂️
Does the Pod Go have the same audio Interface options as the stomp?
I would like to know this.
@@bobbyincidemetal no it does not
Luca7x wow! Thanks for the quick reply. I assume the audio interface is better on the hx stomp than the pod go?
So, to you, and probably me, the only advantage of the Helix Stomp is reduced size and weight over the Pod Go.
Sure, the Pod GO is way lighter than the Helix board, but still big and heavy compared to the stomp...
in the future ‘helix’ gonna change their filmware and much more better than the POD family. This is my opinion, maybe🤷🏻♂️
This pod go has HX sounds in it.
Great video ( as usual i would say), the german rigorous way of work ( with a very tiny joke each 10 or 20 seconds ), i was wondering if you already think how to plug HX stomp with a Trio PLus ( i m still chasing for a good setup, to use amp+cabs within trio plus...) - Please continue such good channel ! ( which is not so good for my wallet :-) )
Smaller size make the price. It's much more easily to use physically.
Why in the world the HX Stomp would be more expensive?! Are you ok Line 6? Like the damn POD GO can replace an AX8 no problem...sounds very good
That's what they should've been targeting for with the POD Go. They missed their market.
Stomp is more powerful and capable of a lot more tone shaping. Its also been out for a while at the set price. When something new comes along it doesn’t mean the current line up will drop considerably in price. The Stomp is what it is, and no one has complained before about its price. The Pod line is a cheaper line.
Nope can’t replace Ax8 !
Can place 2 distortion blocks in a row?
yes, and more if you have free blocks