Michelle Dowd on Surviving Growing Up in Her Family's Cult

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  • čas přidán 17. 04. 2024
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Komentáře • 396

  • @MJ-ip7oj
    @MJ-ip7oj Před 21 dnem +162

    Joe- “oh my god”
    Blows smoke into her face 😂

    • @porterhouse7260
      @porterhouse7260 Před 21 dnem

      hahaaaa

    • @kylebarna9148
      @kylebarna9148 Před 21 dnem +3

      Popped for that too. Thankfully, he's got smoke-eater(s)

    • @TheLadyFrom513
      @TheLadyFrom513 Před 18 dny

      I was just thinking the same like did that really just slowly go in her face lol

    • @rachelgee7894
      @rachelgee7894 Před 18 dny +1

      I don’t think it’s in her face, just in front of the camera

    • @Thegoldencar10
      @Thegoldencar10 Před 16 dny

      Hahaha y’all are crazy!

  • @jopo7996
    @jopo7996 Před 21 dnem +287

    This is interesting, but I need to know what Michelle thinks about the Younger Dryas Period and lost civilizations.

  • @Mk2fSaloon
    @Mk2fSaloon Před 21 dnem +86

    "They're gay for the stay" 😂

  • @Zekethenub1
    @Zekethenub1 Před 21 dnem +62

    Human beings. They create chaos wherever they go.

    • @natinatyoutube
      @natinatyoutube Před 19 dny +6

      Very true. And the opposite is ALSO true: humans also save lives, help, heal and protect other humans, even animals. Since both side are equally true, we can all decided which one we want to focus on...

    • @jesiah391
      @jesiah391 Před 9 dny +1

      Ur mom. She creates chaos wherever she goes.

  • @JoeStumbo
    @JoeStumbo Před 21 dnem +399

    Yet here we all are in the cult of JRE

  • @edwardsanchez3708
    @edwardsanchez3708 Před 21 dnem +78

    I think my 2 cats are in a cult

    • @jbred6049
      @jbred6049 Před 21 dnem +5

      LOL! Please stop.

    • @ejford5083
      @ejford5083 Před 20 dny +6

      Hmmm I wonder if my cats are in the same one as yours 🤔 caught mine the other day sitting with other cats in a circle sniffing nip

    • @bushman9315
      @bushman9315 Před 19 dny +5

      1st rule of cat cult is....never talk about cat cult.

    • @BarARanchMason
      @BarARanchMason Před 19 dny +2

      They just called me on the phone. They know you are on to them. RUN 🏃‍♂️

    • @whatevenisthisfor
      @whatevenisthisfor Před 19 dny +2

      They are

  • @CamMacMastermusic
    @CamMacMastermusic Před 21 dnem +24

    Great guest. Thanks Joe and Jamie 🎉

  • @alwayshatin3973
    @alwayshatin3973 Před 21 dnem +66

    Oh wow it happened in California how weird

    • @dizzleslaunsen2372
      @dizzleslaunsen2372 Před 16 dny

      Manson also happened in California. I mean a lot of weird shit going on in the valley at these times……very strange either way.

    • @kittykai2243
      @kittykai2243 Před 14 dny

      😂😂😂😂

    • @emrainbow
      @emrainbow Před 5 dny

      My guess instantly: California

  • @markminor70
    @markminor70 Před 21 dnem +18

    Good interview he does better interviews than news geeks

  • @tonybagodonutz
    @tonybagodonutz Před 21 dnem +59

    Getting a Catherine O'Hara vibe from her.

    • @xneapolisx
      @xneapolisx Před 20 dny +5

      Yes, the borderline hysteria factor is strong with this one!

    • @avaadore4492
      @avaadore4492 Před 20 dny +2

      KEVIN!

  • @BIGREDTECH
    @BIGREDTECH Před 21 dnem +28

    Everyone making comments about Joe blowing smoke at her while she’s smoking😂

  • @HeyokaGirlSpeaks
    @HeyokaGirlSpeaks Před 18 dny +11

    I did family law back in the day and we represented a woman in a cult (The Remnant) whose 2 year old daughter was taken away from her. At that time there were 875 active cults in the US my religious expert advised. It was an interesting case to be involved in but we lost. We weren't surprised ❤

    • @catherinegrace2366
      @catherinegrace2366 Před 17 dny +1

      That’s awful. I’m so sorry. Any promise for the future for that child?

    • @pocasanchez
      @pocasanchez Před 15 dny

      Why was the child taken and who took them?

    • @HeyokaGirlSpeaks
      @HeyokaGirlSpeaks Před 15 dny +2

      @@pocasanchez dad never returned her after one of his visits. He was a previous member of the cult and he did not want his daughter growing up in it. After a 3 day hearing the judge gave dad sole custody with mom having only supervised visits. It was a hard case because the cult leader was a creep but mom was a good mom. We presented the best case possible but knew that it was tough going. This was decades ago BTW.

    • @pocasanchez
      @pocasanchez Před 15 dny

      @@HeyokaGirlSpeaks wow, thanks for responding! The mother wanted to stay in the cult? Did she fully understand she was in one? What did the judge have to say about the cult?

  • @virginianative847
    @virginianative847 Před 21 dnem +15

    Joes guest list is an unreal range hahahaha

  • @BRADLEY856
    @BRADLEY856 Před 21 dnem +29

    My body is a temple. It just needs renovation

  • @janetesantos5143
    @janetesantos5143 Před 9 dny +1

    Omg! I lived In Pasadena CA for so long- it’s hard to imagine how different other peoples lives can be right near tou-

  • @Mushr88mBreW
    @Mushr88mBreW Před 21 dnem +28

    In case y’all memory holed the Spanking Machine, The Simpsons has an old skit with Bart and Millhouse featuring said exact spanking line. 👀

    • @allouttabubblegum1984
      @allouttabubblegum1984 Před 21 dnem

      They are all Freemasons and the world is a stage all these events are planned therefore people think that the Simpsons somehow predict the future.

    • @kylebarna9148
      @kylebarna9148 Před 21 dnem

      Homer accidentally joined the Stone-Cutters (Masons) because Grandpa ABRAHAM happened to be a lifetime member. Abe also happened to be the leader of Ghey and Lez society...for some reason he couldnt comprehend.

    • @fiendish1875
      @fiendish1875 Před 21 dnem +1

      An episode of SpongeBob had something like that too, not exactly but something similar

    • @stevengrabo
      @stevengrabo Před 21 dnem

      @@fiendish1875yes

    • @theecentralscrutinizer9978
      @theecentralscrutinizer9978 Před 20 dny +2

      University of Minnesota Spankological Survey....
      One of the best Comedic lines by Ned's Beatnik parents:
      "We've tried NOTHING, and we're all out of ideas"😂

  • @goatman1957
    @goatman1957 Před 21 dnem +77

    this chick seems cool

  • @briansierzega
    @briansierzega Před 21 dnem +6

    4:03 … lol 😂

  • @HomelessNinjaKennedy
    @HomelessNinjaKennedy Před 20 dny +12

    Being Mormon wasn't as bad as this, but still, I'm feeling something ptsd-esque about my mormon days while listening to this. I'm so glad I got out, and I'm so happy for all the people that escape their unhealthy brainwashing.

  • @Shane-zx4ps
    @Shane-zx4ps Před 21 dnem +9

    I’m waiting for joes fire alarm to go off with the clouds he’s blowing into the ladies face😊

  • @bigmig808
    @bigmig808 Před 21 dnem +11

    This all goes back to the orphans of the late 1800/early 1900’s that were educated by the weird organizations like The Oddfellows. All men as well. Free mason etc had a huge hand in training these orphans. A lot of them went in to be very successful and influential

  • @nanying7747
    @nanying7747 Před 21 dnem +23

    What a beautiful woman with that killer smile

  • @ruckinehround6965
    @ruckinehround6965 Před 21 dnem +25

    At least Joe is curious about everything.

  • @Queendomcruz
    @Queendomcruz Před 18 dny +2

    Joe blowing huge smoke clouds in her face is killin me lmaoo 😄

  • @BRADLEY856
    @BRADLEY856 Před 21 dnem +2

    Daisy chains after skipping and holding hands in the tulips and whistling the theme to Batman🌷

  • @Igor_tigor
    @Igor_tigor Před 20 dny +2

    Joe looks hilarious in the thumbnail 😂

  • @lsporter88
    @lsporter88 Před 20 dny +5

    That was some sick sh*t. Cults suck. Great video.

  • @virginianative847
    @virginianative847 Před 21 dnem +6

    It’s always the Boy Scouts man

  • @luckyb4541
    @luckyb4541 Před 21 dnem +16

    Sounds a lot like the Worldwide Church of God in Pasadena . I survived that cult.

  • @amochswohntet4434
    @amochswohntet4434 Před 19 dny +2

    the last minute 😯

  • @darkangel13915
    @darkangel13915 Před 21 dnem +2

    7:02 Is that a SpongeBob reference ?! 😂

  • @chuzzrocket
    @chuzzrocket Před 21 dnem +2

    This is so saddening. For all the kids who grew up in the 70s or 80s.this was common.

  • @SamoanHillbilly
    @SamoanHillbilly Před 21 dnem +9

    I thought she was the mom from shameless for a sec

  • @user-zo6di3by5t
    @user-zo6di3by5t Před 21 dnem +2

    You take the good you take the bad you take them both and there you have the facts of life x 2...

  • @taboovsknowledge1603
    @taboovsknowledge1603 Před 21 dnem +40

    Now, think of this on a level of billions of people.

    • @jesusurbina1258
      @jesusurbina1258 Před 21 dnem +2

      So billions of people claim to be the prophet of God and will lead his armies? 😂😂

    • @Novastar.SaberCombat
      @Novastar.SaberCombat Před 21 dnem

      It *IS* on a level of billions. Beliefs trump (lol) science. Personal biases supercede logic, compassion, honor, justice, etc. Overall, humanity in and of itself IS one gigantic cult. Outliers are mocked, blocked, tr011ed, cajoled, censored, and... lol... "excommunicated". 💪😎✌️
      Stay classy, humanity.

    • @cobbfutbol62
      @cobbfutbol62 Před 21 dnem

      No they’re stupid enough to believe the person claiming to be 💀

    • @GraduateJLN
      @GraduateJLN Před 21 dnem

      I’m assuming you’re trying to make a joke about religion cause you’re a heathen?

    • @crazestyle83
      @crazestyle83 Před 20 dny +1

      ​@@jesusurbina1258you thinking all of the billions would be THE cult leader is funnier.

  • @bigvanpapi
    @bigvanpapi Před 21 dnem +10

    10:17 Cough “Jared Leto” Cough

  • @xneapolisx
    @xneapolisx Před 20 dny +3

    This lady speaks so fast, I thought I had my player set at 1.5x speed. Seriously!

  • @Cuteanimals-up6pj
    @Cuteanimals-up6pj Před 12 hodinami

    What was it called?

  • @mojukin3018
    @mojukin3018 Před 21 dnem

    Yeah mine too.

  • @Zwizzlesworld
    @Zwizzlesworld Před 21 dnem +1

    Full on sponge bob spank line that’s wild

  • @user-gt5wl3uz9c
    @user-gt5wl3uz9c Před 21 dnem +2

    Her facial muscles and the tension of them is insane

    • @JakeJ.-yi1du
      @JakeJ.-yi1du Před 21 dnem

      I'm pretty sure it's the plastic surgery

    • @annacroixx
      @annacroixx Před 20 dny +1

      @@JakeJ.-yi1du She doesn’t look like she had any plastic surgery. That’s why her face is so expressive. She’s just an attractive older woman.

    • @user-gt5wl3uz9c
      @user-gt5wl3uz9c Před 20 dny

      @@JakeJ.-yi1du it’s Stressful to watch her face.

    • @user-gt5wl3uz9c
      @user-gt5wl3uz9c Před 20 dny +1

      @@annacroixx deluded

    • @annacroixx
      @annacroixx Před 20 dny

      @@user-gt5wl3uz9c You’re deluded, and jaded. What do you look like? How old are you? She has crow’s feet, wrinkles on her forehead, under-eye bags, etc. just like Joe. They look roughly about the same age. She might be older.

  • @skillz0729
    @skillz0729 Před 12 dny

    I love how Joes cloud of smoke completely envelops her 😂

  • @bernardmccole3215
    @bernardmccole3215 Před 18 dny +2

    human beings blow my mind

  • @johndoe-fq7ez
    @johndoe-fq7ez Před 21 dnem +2

    she seems cool af

  • @3XTS
    @3XTS Před 21 dnem +5

    She never Hit that Cigar LOL

  • @tvviewer4500
    @tvviewer4500 Před 21 dnem +2

    Joe Rogan: How did he pull it off?
    Also Joe Rogan: I have a cult that I started.

  • @CarolJamieson
    @CarolJamieson Před 21 dnem +8

    Sounds like it could have been a branch of Seventh Day-Adventism. There were many branches that came out of that Millerite Movement in the 1840s. Branch Davidian (Waco) was one.

  • @hubrisnaut
    @hubrisnaut Před 21 dnem +3

    I lived in S. Cal for 4 years in the '90s. You would be surprised how religious a LOT of people are there. There are Baptist churches (many are huge), and others, all over the place and I heard about strange cults.

    • @davidjanbaz7728
      @davidjanbaz7728 Před 21 dnem +1

      I had a class on cults in Seminary at Biola University: I have papers on many of the cults but I don't remember if anyone in class wrote on this cult; because they obviously were secretive.

    • @hubrisnaut
      @hubrisnaut Před 21 dnem

      @@davidjanbaz7728 I knew someone that went to some "program' to be a "Baptist" pastor of when he was young. They did tent revivals in the Midwest. He told me it was all a scam. His conscience finally made him stop.. Pretty despicable to take of advantage of people seeking faith like that.

    • @charliebad
      @charliebad Před 21 dnem

      ​@@hubrisnautCatholic?

    • @jeremyw6246
      @jeremyw6246 Před 20 dny

      ​@@charliebadthey're all cults in their own way. Tent revivals though are not catholic, they're famously scams, with those guys who claim to be healers.

  • @ricardobjj24
    @ricardobjj24 Před 21 dnem +7

    I don't know Pasadena for a Rose parade I just know Pasadena for being Pasadena

    • @davidjanbaz7728
      @davidjanbaz7728 Před 21 dnem

      LOL 😂 you do know the Rose Queen and court come from Pasadena City College and the Rose Floats are put together in Pasadena : try again bud.

    • @derekmoody1358
      @derekmoody1358 Před 21 dnem +1

      She meant generally. Geesh.

  • @Lockdown335
    @Lockdown335 Před 21 dnem

    Horrific to say the least....

  • @astrogumbo
    @astrogumbo Před 21 dnem +2

    She cray

  • @marksamuelsen2750
    @marksamuelsen2750 Před 8 dny

    Please Interview the guy from The Why Files. Extremely Interesting

  • @cadamham
    @cadamham Před 19 dny +1

    Did he ask her about the DMT entities that sit upon a Bonobo throne?

  • @TheBorwig
    @TheBorwig Před 9 dny

    Never heard of an almond cult before

  • @fletchermunson6225
    @fletchermunson6225 Před 21 dnem +6

    A good book about freaky stuff in early Pasadena, in the 40s. check out Strange Angel by George Pendle. Sex, drugs, rockets, JPL, L Ron Hubbard, Alistair Crowley. A great read.

    • @johnnyripple8972
      @johnnyripple8972 Před 21 dnem +3

      Lucifarians remain in many powerful positions.

    • @zack3799
      @zack3799 Před 21 dnem

      @@johnnyripple8972podcast hosts and comedy club owners

    • @kickasskris
      @kickasskris Před 21 dnem

      You lost me at “Elrond” Hubbard 🙄

  • @jopo7996
    @jopo7996 Před 21 dnem +60

    It's hilarious that new religious orders are all considered cults, and all the old religions are not.

    • @delbomb3131
      @delbomb3131 Před 21 dnem +11

      There's some differences, but a lot of older variations slightly don't fit a lot of cult models. Look into the bite model.

    • @MLG85
      @MLG85 Před 21 dnem +1

      The 'new' are the cults and the old are the crazies!

    • @elchronico
      @elchronico Před 21 dnem +2

      EXACTLY 🙄

    • @JinxMarie1985
      @JinxMarie1985 Před 21 dnem

      There are many Christian and Catholic cults everywhere. Scientology is a cult 100%

    • @Clambam
      @Clambam Před 21 dnem +10

      Yeah and they do weird things like symbolically eat flesh and drink blood and don’t question or you go to hell, just gotta have “faith” 😂😂😂

  • @denniswrande6004
    @denniswrande6004 Před 21 dnem

    Wow being been born in a cult must be a hell of a experience but they might learn too be adapting too society but its indotricate just young kids is just crazy.

  • @johnqdoe
    @johnqdoe Před 21 dnem +4

    LOTS of parallels to mainstream political thinking in her stories.

  • @nbe4671
    @nbe4671 Před 18 dny +1

    *Soon as she said Boy Scout…done✅😵

  • @eclipsses
    @eclipsses Před 21 dnem +2

    Who else grew up as a JW?

  • @user-wq7yk9fj8p
    @user-wq7yk9fj8p Před 14 dny

    some of the statements she has are what our goverment and news preach

  • @SavageKingz1900
    @SavageKingz1900 Před 21 dnem

    Joe "The younger dryas impact theory" rogan

  • @deborahdicembre9579
    @deborahdicembre9579 Před 16 dny +1

    Dang. What a horror story. The bass note of all Religion is cruelty. The opposite of spirituality the opposite of the Creator. The opposite of freedom.

  • @AubLaw
    @AubLaw Před 16 dny

    How do you join at 5 or 6 yrs old?! What parent is allowing that? Are they only offspring of current followers? What am I missing?

  • @fu9793
    @fu9793 Před 21 dnem

    2:28

  • @changingworld7467
    @changingworld7467 Před 18 dny

    Reminds me of the dnc...

  • @DJButterSmooth
    @DJButterSmooth Před 17 dny

    The best cults are also successful businesses

  • @paulwilliams6415
    @paulwilliams6415 Před 21 dnem

    And bow hunting

  • @leviathannephilim7769
    @leviathannephilim7769 Před 21 dnem

    Yeah the pic is kinda sus lol 😅

  • @twistpv
    @twistpv Před 21 dnem

    Old stuff never happened right ?
    He’s the only one and should have wrote a book.

  • @Kevs442
    @Kevs442 Před 21 dnem +1

    I always think of Leah Remini leaving Scientology.
    Psychopath leaders that prey on peoples weaknesses.
    Lookin at you to, Joel Osteen.

  • @unodos149
    @unodos149 Před 21 dnem +12

    Joe: "Male only org, how strange" Um... Catholic Priests anybody? Scouts... choir boys... level of success seems to be the main difference between "religion" and "cult" lol

    • @davidjanbaz7728
      @davidjanbaz7728 Před 21 dnem

      Actually there R many: it's counterfeiting the original religion into abuses!!!

    • @user-oj9ed2it9i
      @user-oj9ed2it9i Před 21 dnem

      GREAT POINT!!

    • @RonRoyGosselin
      @RonRoyGosselin Před 21 dnem

      Never heard of nuns, sisters and mothers?
      Mother Theresa ring a bell? Girls choir ring a bell?
      Unbelievable how ignorant you people are.

    • @Killa_Suerte
      @Killa_Suerte Před 21 dnem

      Catholicism, imo, is cult like, but there are differences between religions and cults. That being, the goal/purposes of that collection of people.
      Cults are groups of people that are joined to strive towards a common goal. The knowledge of the devotion is also usually hidden, or only shared between the inner circles of the group.
      Religions are groups who beliefs are not hidden, and are also known to worship a supernatural entity/entities.

    • @RonRoyGosselin
      @RonRoyGosselin Před 21 dnem +1

      ​@@Killa_Suerte
      Catholicism is the first Christian Church.
      What comprises a cult has specific definitions, none of which apply to the Church

  • @sgt.lincolnosiris4111
    @sgt.lincolnosiris4111 Před 21 dnem +2

    All the hours spent "working", addies, baddies and alcohol really aging togan.

  • @MatthewBall-wd9cv
    @MatthewBall-wd9cv Před 18 dny

    May Joe be with you

  • @tragedy-and-comedy
    @tragedy-and-comedy Před 19 dny +1

    N Corea LOL We are policing one another in the west!

  • @user-px8lx9dp6h
    @user-px8lx9dp6h Před 21 dnem

    😢

  • @Microtonal_Cats
    @Microtonal_Cats Před 21 dnem +3

    4:20 Islam banned coffee early on, but then un-banned it. Reason give to un-ban was "Coffee helps you stay up later to pray longer."

    • @donjon123
      @donjon123 Před 21 dnem

      Islam never banned stop the fuckery

    • @Princesss855
      @Princesss855 Před 19 dny

      I believe she grew up in a Mormon household not Islam 🤦🏽‍♀️

    • @timmysawdust193
      @timmysawdust193 Před 6 dny

      ​@@Princesss855They never said that merely adding the fact that Islam unbanned coffee, don't be so rude.
      It's interesting as they're both satanic cults trying to lead people from the truth of Christ.

    • @water4112
      @water4112 Před 3 dny

      When did Islam ban coffee? Who banned it, which scholar, what time??

  • @crazycasy
    @crazycasy Před 20 dny

    Sounds like the nicest cult ever..everyone needs something to believe in..

  • @loveistheway8417
    @loveistheway8417 Před 6 dny

    Maybe not Stanford but I bet he had some training through the CIA

  • @jeffreysmith5230
    @jeffreysmith5230 Před 21 dnem

    Interview the grandfather.

  • @KenKennedy-pz5xo
    @KenKennedy-pz5xo Před 21 dnem

    The cult was almond? Apparently they have problems with all the nuts? No peanuts, cashews or macadamia nuts?

  • @rakeshroshan4119
    @rakeshroshan4119 Před 21 dnem +4

    why she kinda...?

  • @ruckinehround6965
    @ruckinehround6965 Před 21 dnem

    Wow…….haha. Awesome.

  • @W.O.P.R
    @W.O.P.R Před 21 dnem

    Super interesting, yet feeling disgusted

  • @rolandconnor575
    @rolandconnor575 Před 21 dnem

    Ok, so but is there life after death?

  • @RustyCordova
    @RustyCordova Před 21 dnem

    They were never celibate 😂😂😂

  • @JackG79
    @JackG79 Před 21 dnem +5

    Could snuggle up with for sure.

    • @Thembisile13
      @Thembisile13 Před 21 dnem +6

      Jesus christ, control yourself sir.

    • @user-pk3zw7mb8w
      @user-pk3zw7mb8w Před 21 dnem +7

      Jack. I'm 6'2 and 253 pounds. Cuddle up with me.🧔

    • @Mvgical
      @Mvgical Před 21 dnem +1

      ​@Thembisile13 you too man, don't say his name in vain :(

    • @GT-um7so
      @GT-um7so Před 21 dnem

      ​@@user-pk3zw7mb8w, I'm 6'2" and 280. Commere big boi

    • @JackG79
      @JackG79 Před 21 dnem

      @@user-pk3zw7mb8w mayhaps..

  • @truckerdude977
    @truckerdude977 Před 18 dny

    Wowww

  • @mauriceharris9087
    @mauriceharris9087 Před 21 dnem +1

    😊

  • @randomelvis3359
    @randomelvis3359 Před 21 dnem +10

    We’re ALL born into cults …FAMILY!!

  • @-.6666.-
    @-.6666.- Před 21 dnem

    This kind of stuff angers me…

  • @clayton9136
    @clayton9136 Před 20 dny +1

    But has she tried DMT?

  • @user-dc1dr9kr8x
    @user-dc1dr9kr8x Před 21 dnem

    ATTENTION JOE week after Graham needs to be comedians so we can decompress

  • @Melinda09985
    @Melinda09985 Před 21 dnem

    😮

  • @kasperspardigm
    @kasperspardigm Před 16 dny

    Just a bunch of Cult-ures but if you get too deep, itll leave ya surrounded by Vultures.... 😂

  • @thabangdiswane6503
    @thabangdiswane6503 Před 21 dnem

    No women! Thats crazy.

  • @littlevman2997
    @littlevman2997 Před 21 dnem +2

    Example of dropping the cross to follow satan and live a life of sin. He promised her all the things of the world and gave her excuses to walk away from God. .ay truth and discernment fill her soul in the name of Jesus. God bless

  • @uenmm4745
    @uenmm4745 Před 17 dny

    Elvis died in 1977 so thats practically the same thing as the end of the world!

  • @endo3306
    @endo3306 Před 21 dnem

    2

  • @dominicconnor3437
    @dominicconnor3437 Před 15 dny

    I don't think she actually enjoys the cigar? Joe does and it's easy to see from the clouds of smoke blowing in her face!