Does not ah???? Well, when we had killed 2 million of German Civilians at a loss of ZERO American ones in order to destroy the Nazi Regime ,does that correlate to you? When Red Army had stormed Berlin and was destroying all that moved with its Artillery Fire and Katiusha Salvos , killing tens of thousands German civilians in the process --were there people like you today , telling them : "stop , you killing German children " ?? or every body were just pushing them on - finish the Bastard State ? Use some basic thinking , not your bias against Jewish people that you been condition to have with bullshit lies over 2000 years if you re in Christian world and 1400 years if you re in Muslim world.
Interesting how he talks about the “sacrifices that have to be made” in terms of civilian casualties and yet in the same breath lambasts the people of the west for being unacclimated to war. This man has never seen the horror of war and neither have any of his loved ones or family members safe at home in the west. I wonder how many families cowering for fear in a bomb shelter think that their sacrifice is necessary to settle a debate.
You're backing his point that the West is unacclimated to war, because his, yours and apart from the Ukraine, all the families in the West are not experiencing war. The fact that Israeli families in shelters who were slaughtered did experience this, and likewise before that families in Israel have been cowering in shelters for about 15 years from rocket attacks, especially in the very border villages and towns that were overrun, I would think that they understand that the sacrifice needs to be made. Further, since the rocket attacks from Hamas have been reduced to 1% of what they were 6 months ago, the sacrifice is the IDF's now. As for the Gazans, they voted Hamas in, who's intentions were clear from 1988 that this was an objective. Additionally, they allowed their kids to be indoctrinated and join Hamas - Hamas are Gazans, they are not mercenaries from the outside, they are Palestinians - and finally 1,000s of Gazan CIVLLIANS crossed the border into Israel as auxiliaries, with a promise of a bounty of $10,000 + an apartment for every hostage they brought back, as well as a free hand to murder, rape and especially loot. That's why Hamas can't account for all the ones who are missing that Israel claims it has, because it's operatives didn't capture a good proportion of them. Further, the vast majority of the Gazan population celebrated the attacks, Hamas have never been more popular in the West Bank, and whilst this last point is no way a valid justification of civilians bearing the brunt, it demonstrates a complicity of the populous.
Same. Joe comparing Mexican gangs to Hamas. Mexican gangs would never be as motivated as Hamas to slaughter civilians because Hamas conflict is about RELIGION not MONEY. Hamas has religious reasons for hating and wanting to kill Jews
Another element to this dilemma, is thequestion, did Israel attempt other methods to bring an end to this 75 year conflict? If they had only chosen to bomb, then sure I can see Joe's point. But we have witnessed Israel agreeing to a two-state solution in1948, followed by an attempt by five Arab armies to actually commit genocide. In 1967, Israel defeated the Arabs in six days and immediately offered the Arab world the territories in exchange for peace, and the Arab League said "NO". The Oslo Agreements brought great hope in 1993 but that led to a campaign of bus bombings by the PLO. In the year 2000 Ehud Barak and Yasser Arafat met with Bill Clinton at Camp David, they had an agreement, which Arafat pulled out of at the last moment. The next day the Second intifada began. Since then there has been the Wye Agreement and other agreements that have separated the territories into entities, A, B and C. In A and B the Palestinians vote in elections to the Palestinian Authority currently led by Abbas and police themselves, as well as Gaza, which became "un-occupied" in 2006. This led to rocket attacks from Gaza, which brings about Israeli retaliation. Israel has tried every option to make peace, and all have been turned down. I wish Joe Rogan would read some history of the region. The attempts to make peace, right from the beginning, serve to make the destroy Hamas option a moral imperative. As all Americans right of Stalin would agree it is incumbent on the federal government of any nation to take up arms to protect its people and secure its borders.
@5dollarshake263 planning on addressing any of them? Or should the free world never wage war against people who put their military HQ underneath their own hospitals? 🏥
Ah, the good old Western propaganda on the JRE. "Britain had to make a decision to go fight the Nazis"..... he simply "forgot" to mention who actually ENDED the war. THE SOVIETS. To the UK and the US, war means business, and profits, the longer a war lasts, the better for the billionaires running the show. By the way, the only country that is still legally allowed to rally out in public, flying a swastika flag is the United States, everywhere else on the planet, it's illegal. In early 1945, Allied troops entered Germany. By mid-April, the SOVIETS had encircled the German capital of Berlin. On April 30, 1945, Adolf Hitler killed himself. The German armed forces surrendered unconditionally in the west on May 7 and in the east on May 9, 1945, bringing an end to World War II in Europe. You're welcome, Britain.
Sometimes you got to do terrible things to survive. That is life. a lot of people in the comments dont understand this about life but their children will.
He's out of his mind. US is the big dog with all the money and weapons. We should control Israel not the other way around. Why the US hasn't told them to stop the genocide is a question we all deserve an answer to? Why are we letting our little bitch in the middle east cause all this trouble?
I have a psychological issues . I struggle to get over it and I work hard on it. But I can tell you , when I lie, I literally don’t feel any problem. It comes so normal. The lie detector doesn’t now sense a thing . I tried it . These guys like this.
@hugoramirez9295 The ratio of civillian to combatant death is five times lower than the average for this type of conflict. But whatever makes jews the bad guy, I guess..
“There hasn’t been a war at home in the United Kingdom, except for that very recent one in Northern Ireland that still has huge ramifications today, in a very long time”
No, there was a war in England, but it was over 500 or 600 years ago but I see what you’re saying it doesn’t really count specially with the instruments of war being so much more devastating
Excuse me, as a European, my great grandfather did not shove any Jew into any oven. Be specific about who did that and maybe those people should offer part of their state to the Jewish people.
This obtuse argument is insane. Killing innocent people will never be ok. War zone or no war zone. Mowing down people gathering flour for bread is not an excuse for mass execution.
@@georgiadawgs8260 without civilians casualties you can't, but theres a scale, that makes it an acceptable military target, say there's 2 militants to one civilian, or even a 1 to one ratio, those are acceptable numbers on the international level, but 300 civilians to one possible militant isnt,
Sure 75 years ago and every freakin year after that. Your colonialist mindset will not let you see that. You can’t just get away with it. Call them whatever you like, they have every right whatsoever to rise up against the people oppressing and occupying them
The discussion in this war is absurd. First. Israel acted selflessly to live in peace with the Palestinians in Gaza. It was more than a decade ago when Israel itself ordered Israeli citizens who had lived there for decades to literally leave their homes. The first thing the Palestinians did in return was to elect a government that enshrined the goal of destroying Israel in the constitution. The elected government followed through with its promise. Since its founding, thousands of rockets have flown into Israeli settlement areas. Dozens of civilians died in terrorist attacks. Millions of aid funds - intended for civilian institutions - were misused to sponsor this terrorism. October 7th was just what Humus had been doing for years. Secondly. Israel behaved more humanely in this conflict than any other conceivable party in any imaginable conflict. It allowed Palestinians to work in Israel, receive medical care or even migrate to Israel. During war, they warn civilians where their military is operating. They admit collateral damage and apologize for it. The situation is clear. In no other conflict the responsibility for the suffering has been so one sided and clear - in no other conflict have the perpetrators been held accountable so weakly. People with voice and power who claim to reject war and the nature of war have a duty to unequivocally name the culprit of this war and do everything in their power to eliminate them. Everything else is responsibility for the resulting suffering and is as history has proved continuing this madness.
@@jankaufmann4305 yeah cause humus are literally a death cult that see pally deaths as heroism even for kids, they don't care about their own lives let alone pally people, all they wanna do is keep doing oct7ths and even at larger scales if they could, up to the ultimate scale. yet millions in the west march and protest for them =)) the post-truth society is a wild place
It’s not surprising most human beings in the comment section can’t understand what this guy is saying. He did it as well as possible in a short time frame.
No kidding. I've never seen anything so evil. We are seeing children being killed and amputated every day, most with no anesthetics. They are an Apartheid State. The idf is full of shit. Lies, lies, lies.
He lost me when he tried to convince me that this generation has not been at War for the entirety of our lives. He says we don't know what it's like to fight a war but has he forgotten about the last 30 years? Oh plus before I was born we were also constantly entangled in foreign wars. I'm not sure what this guy is talking about
The amount of factual selectivity makes me wanna throw up. Maybe just start with the fact that Israel is in a apartheid state? As deemed by nearly every human rights group out there. INCLUDING THOSES IN ISRAEL
Sorry man you had to be put through that I tried to join the military at 19 but I had a withdrawal Caesar from alcohol from bad choices I wanted to be a fighter pilot and fly f-16s and if I couldn't fly them I wanted to fly the f-15 strike eagle thank you for your service❤❤❤❤
@@PolNqn you're entitled to that view. Doesn't change the fact that he has a wide reaching audience and is able to explain his opinions very clearly, something that's needed when discussing this topic. I'm sure you'd love to see a bunch of disconnected robots spewing Israeli propaganda trying to justify war crimes and violations of international and US laws, but some of us actually want to see a nuanced discussion with someone who is actually affected by what's going on and can speak from personal experience.
This british clown is making money of the killing of children, in one way or another. Strange joe keeps having these guys on, but none of the voices who are against whats happening
See Dresden, WWII. Civilian deaths are always terrible, but this war was started by an action of terror by Hamas, whose strategy is always using civilian human shields. Why did they never build bomb shelters for their people in 15 years? They were receiving billions in aid.
@littlecatfeet9064 you do realize that Dresden was condemned by the allies and why international law was created...at this point why even discuss war crimes?
The idea that you can conduct a war "humanely" is at the root of this problem. There is nothing humane about war, and trying to prolong it only creates more suffering for both sides.
The war was started because the Israel government is trying to get the hostages back and destroy Hamas, the terrorist organiszation that was responsible for the massacre on Oct 7. Hostages have still not been returned, and Hamas leaders are hiding, thus preventing the war to end.
Classic anti-Israeli non sequitur. He is talking about young western ignoramuses who support Hamas because they are "oppressed". They aren't. If they used the billions in aid money the west has sent them for anything other than making their leaders in Qatar billionaires and bombs, they could be a flourishing people. But they aren't and they are two b*tch made to admit it's their own fault.
I think the most important questions in any discussion like this are: 'what do we want to happen next', 'what can realistically happen next', and 'how will the consequences echo into the future'? Focussing on moral responsibility will get us no-where, because both sides will continue to scream at each other passionately, claiming that they are the ones who have been the most violated, until the end of time. The is no 'solution', there can only be mitigation. We must ask what truly realistic and viable actions will save the most lives, and prevent the most suffering, projecting into the future for decades to come? People for sure even have differing views about the best answer to that question... but, at least I feel that it is a better and more useful question to ask than, 'who is most morally justified'.
I think rogans wrong about his mexico speculation.nobody will be upset if we had a retaliation from an attack just like nobody was upset with our attack after 9/11.a response was expected.
Listening to your logic is unsetlling. You: "Look Israel I know that for 70 years the Palestinian government has supported, funded, and taught terrorists who rape, murder, and kill Jews simply because they are Jews, but you should just lay down and take it. I mean look, even though we are rewarding terrorists by refusing to kill them if they hide behind their own familie's lives, not to mention allowing them to repeat more attacks on your own women and children in the future, it's still wrong to try to kill them." The inverted morality is shocking to see.
“Innocent people do not deserve to die” When Hamas says they will conduct October 7 attacks again and again, that is exactly what Israel is trying to prevent. Why can’t you see that if you don’t want endless innocent deaths year after year ?
Yeah, that paid Al Jazeera mouthpiece who can vomit lies with a straight face who openly admits that she doesn`t even know really what happened on Oct. 7, but that does not prevent her from parroting the lies to accuse Israel of every imaginable crime. What a waste of human life
And getting worse. Mossad is full power right now with shutting down the protests and putting sheep like this guy in front of cameras. He says make a moral judgement, I don’t think he knows what morals are.
I disagree, I think it’s pretty understandable considering how many smart political commentators there are in media, most with diverse opinions on this debate & many other political debates, and Joe is only 1 guy with 2 other careers, with tons of hobbies and he interviews people only he personally finds interesting from ALL walks of life…ironically at the beginning of this episode, Joe actually jokes about the frustration of there being so many interesting people he wants to talk to, yet only so much time & availability. I am sure he will have him on someday
Dude definitely expected Joe to just fold on him and agree. It's not ok to kill innocent people, it doesn't matter how many words you use to explain it, how much it was done in the past, or whose homeland you're attempting to establish.
He didn't say killing innocent people is "ok". He said the deaths of innocent people is unfortunately unavoidable in war. Especially when their own government is using them as Human Shields, building bunkers under their homes, fighting out of uniform, and firing from behind them.
@@dshappir watch it again man. Joe makes a point that he wouldn't be ok with "unavoidable" deaths if they were Jewish. Bombing a hospital is not "unavoidable".
His argument is that the western view has never had to experience conflict so we don’t understand but I feel like all the years of war tearing down and building back up so we can build a future where we don’t have. I’m sorry if I’m missing something.
As a Irishman watching this, it doesn't surprise me. he gives a complete green light to the Zionist regime. Prick makes me sick, just like black and tans
This is NOT a war. The Palestinians do NOT have any military, no army, no soldiers no tanks, no jets, no bombs, no drones, etc, nothing to defend themselves with!! The other side is armed to the teeth from the No.1 military industrial complex in the world.
Have you been to war? That is the reality of war! That is part of war, you can't wage wars and be polite! That's why we should avoid war, and hamas started it!
@@waterbear1337 That is what happens between combatants . Not against unarmed civilians . You are calling war crimes . War Gazans are occupied people . They don’t have a sovereign state This is a genocide aided by USA
@@chivomartinez If you read history, after the Islamic conquest, Spain became one of the richest countries, and Christians, Muslims, and Jews lived in luxury until the Crusades came. Which carried out massacres against Jews, Muslims, and opposing Christians. If what you are saying is true, the Spaniards would still hate Muslims, but anyone who reads history knows that the largest massacres in Spain were at the hands of campaigns Crusader
@@theearthisntflat5863Jews did NOT live in luxury under Spanish rule...ever heard of the Inquisition?! Literally one of the biggest forms of persecution against the Jewish people happened under Spanish & Portuguese rule in the 14/1500s...Jews were almost never living in great conditions...something gentiles generally agreed on across the board historically was that they hated Jewish people. Muslims 🫱🏻🫲🏼Christians 🫱🏻🫲🏼Catholics🫱🏻🫲🏼Pagans all hated Jews historically speaking..
It's pretty bold to keep asking the question of what is "morally" right, yet still implying the answer is: "killing innocent civilians is a means to an end."
Your ignorance about war, the history of war, and the laws of war, is just proof of the total failure of the educational system. I don't hold that against you. What I do hold against you is offering an opinion about something about which you know nothing.
@@beetalius He just leaves out the fact that Israel violently removed some 750,000 Palestinians from their land in 1948 and has persecuted them since. Tries to make it sound like it's all just a matter of hating Joos. And then simply denies their current war crimes that the whole world can see.
Nah it was more like not wanting innocent civilians to be killed over and over and over again. Whereas they take out Hamas now and it should be over unless palestine attacks again
Oh Israel is just supposed to stop, this isnt a game, If Hamas actually cared about their people they could surrender any time. But they dont for some reason.
@@gsp3428They can keep going. But need to cut it out with calling others terrorist when they are committing terroristic acts themselves. They are no longer the “good” guys
It is a war. Hamas represents the Palestinian vote. They voted for ppl who organized and did these atrocities to Israeli civilians. It is a declaration of war.
The West Bank is literally called Judah and Samaria for 3000 years, and all of the historic names of the ancient cities are in Hebrew. I think there might be a reason that’s the land they ended in…
@@ElishaZakaiwhat other people's would you find acceptable to uproot the current people and import people who lived there in antiquity? That's a genuine question.
you make it sound like "palestine" existed as a country, before 69 :D before westbank, it was Jordan, before Jordan it was the british, Before british it was egypt. Before egypt it was ottomans, before ottomans it was mamluks before mamluks it was Annubids, before annubids it was kingdom jerusalem, So what "before" are you talking about?
The most ironic part of this whole dialogue was when he talks about "just" causes for wars and mentions populations fighting against "colonialism" He doesn't even realize.....
His explanation is lacking, and I say this as an Israeli. The only thing we should ask ourselves is what’s the most effective alternative approach israel should take, regarding the history of combating these organisations (and regarding the fact that the latter will exploit whatever humanitarian breach you’ll give them, including their people’s suffering in order to extend the conflict).
And that is a very good thing. Zionism is without a doubt the most moral reason for a country to be created. Zionism is a good thing. The whole notion that Jewish Nationalism should be assumed to somehow be worse than other nationalisms is such obvious racism, no matter how popular that racism is. Antisemitism has always been one of the most popular racisms, but anyone who thinks that somehow legitimizes a genocidal racism that has exterminated the majority of Europe's Jews last century is the ugliest racist that exists.
We live in strange times when the term Zionist is weaponized as a normalized anti semitic slur. As if a return to what the UN has agreed is indigenous lands is supposedly bad. People like you should rather front with what you really want to say, you want Jews killed, israel destroyed, you are welcome.
“They need their own country because of what we (Europe) did to them 80 years ago.” Very good point. But then why not give them land in Europe? Why use them to displace a population of people (who had nothing to do with the terrible things that were done to the Jewish people) who have lived on a land for generations and then act surprised when those displaced people don’t want to give up their rights to their land. That is where the problem and conflict started. Not Oct 7.
Jewish people are INDIGENOUS to the LAND OF ISRAEL according to *ALL* archeological, anthropological, genetic, biological, & verbal evidence. Even during the Diaspora, there has *always* remained a steady Jewish presence in that land...Palestine isnt even an Arabic word, it was renamed Judea-Palestina by the ROMANS when they conquered the area, & since then there has *never been* an independent country named Palestine ever (the Arabic language doesn't even have the letter P). Just bec European Jews have adapted European looks (biological adaptation 101 btw) bec they migrated there centuries ago after being expelled by the Romans etc, that doesn't negate anything. Besides, what about all the ethnic Sefardi Jews that arent European?! You know the ~850k that were ethnically cleansed from Arab countries? Ahhhh so conveniently forgotten about eh? 🤨🤨...so why should Jewish people be "given" a Homeland anywhere but where they've already been residing for thousands of years?
What did Europe do? It was only after several major Israeli terror attacks against the British did they pull out of the mandate and gave it back to the U.N. General Assembly. On 29 November 1947 the UN General Assembly voted on the partition plan, ADAOPTED BY 33 VOTES TO 13 with 10 abstentions. The Jewish side accepted the UN plan for the establishment of two states. The Arabs rejected it and launched a war of annihilation against the Jewish state.
@@melbialo4919 Yes, Jewish people of Arab descent have lived in Palestine forever, and peacefully coexisted with other Arabs of different faiths (Muslims and Christians). Regardless of what you choose to call the land, the conflicts, which continue to this day and have only become bloodier over time, began after Western nations chose to declare the state of Israel on that land and displace the indigenous people with Europeans. Even Palestinian Jews in the Westbank are not treated the same as Israeli Jews. You don’t have to agree with me, but at some point we all have to acknowledge the truth. I don’t believe in the slaughter of any people, regardless of what they believe or where they come from. God gave us life and placed us here on Earth to live in peace. We are the ones who have chosen to make war with one another instead.
@@bodasactra I was quoting Brendan O’Neill, hence the quotation marks around the statement. And he was referencing the atrocities committed by the Nazis during the Holocaust.
@@FordeTough You agree with it. Israel was approved by the U.N. and created by the Jews themselves fighting off Arab coalition invasion they day they declared a state, its forged with Jewish blood. The Arab invasions displaced Muslims. Israel's constitution stated all were welcome and many stayed. Israel today has over 21% equal Muslim citizens, 2 million people. Muslim states cleansed all their Jews out of spite.
No it isn’t. One side is a bunch of barbaric terrorists and the other is actually adhering to the international rules of engagement no matter how much people lie and say they aren’t. One side is a real nation and the other is a fairytale that is actually the moniker adopted by the Romans in 135AD for the Jewish Kingdom of Judeah and has never existed at any point in history
The problem is Creating the Irgun to use terrorism negates the criticism of Hamas. Both are wrong but one can not point the finger of immorality at the other. If the Irgun got away with it then the other side expect to also get away with it, its took decades of persecution before the other side has lowered itself to the levels used against it.
We dont know the true numbers . The death counts come from hamas. Probably greatly exaggerated. But yes israel doesn't care much about them anymore. And who can blame them at this point?
Joe really surprised me with his logical and nuanced perspectove on this. Ive seen he had a lot of pro isreal guests on recently and figured he might be insensitive to the palestinian struggle. He understands that tragedy does not justify more tragedy.
Netanyahu was one of the first to congratulate Biden. Before ballots were even counted. Listen to him talk in his native language. It’s something else.
“Who the fuck is that guy “
A smart man.
Someone correct.
@@JackAaron1992 Someone who hasn't read up on his history you mean
He's definitely not antisemitic nor pro Palestine he's un biased
I just said that in a Conor McGregor voice 😂.
Comparing Israel vs Gaza to the American Civil War doesn’t correlate to me.
True. The Brits werent baby reyping animals.
Bias justification
Does not ah???? Well, when we had killed 2 million of German Civilians at a loss of ZERO American ones in order to destroy the Nazi Regime ,does that correlate to you? When Red Army had stormed Berlin and was destroying all that moved with its Artillery Fire and Katiusha Salvos , killing tens of thousands German civilians in the process --were there people like you today , telling them : "stop , you killing German children " ?? or every body were just pushing them on - finish the Bastard State ? Use some basic thinking , not your bias against Jewish people that you been condition to have with bullshit lies over 2000 years if you re in Christian world and 1400 years if you re in Muslim world.
@@DagnirRen
Yes they were, just not to the extent that the Israelis are, though.
His comparisons are a reflection of his twisted morality.
Interesting how he talks about the “sacrifices that have to be made” in terms of civilian casualties and yet in the same breath lambasts the people of the west for being unacclimated to war. This man has never seen the horror of war and neither have any of his loved ones or family members safe at home in the west. I wonder how many families cowering for fear in a bomb shelter think that their sacrifice is necessary to settle a debate.
He’s a coward chicken hawk
It's almost like he's biased in some way, for some strange reason.
Israelis have been hiding in bomb shelters every day for decades.
Then why don’t u call up ur Hamas pimp/masters and ask them to release the hostages..u make me sick to my stomach
You're backing his point that the West is unacclimated to war, because his, yours and apart from the Ukraine, all the families in the West are not experiencing war.
The fact that Israeli families in shelters who were slaughtered did experience this, and likewise before that families in Israel have been cowering in shelters for about 15 years from rocket attacks, especially in the very border villages and towns that were overrun, I would think that they understand that the sacrifice needs to be made. Further, since the rocket attacks from Hamas have been reduced to 1% of what they were 6 months ago, the sacrifice is the IDF's now.
As for the Gazans, they voted Hamas in, who's intentions were clear from 1988 that this was an objective. Additionally, they allowed their kids to be indoctrinated and join Hamas - Hamas are Gazans, they are not mercenaries from the outside, they are Palestinians - and finally 1,000s of Gazan CIVLLIANS crossed the border into Israel as auxiliaries, with a promise of a bounty of $10,000 + an apartment for every hostage they brought back, as well as a free hand to murder, rape and especially loot. That's why Hamas can't account for all the ones who are missing that Israel claims it has, because it's operatives didn't capture a good proportion of them. Further, the vast majority of the Gazan population celebrated the attacks, Hamas have never been more popular in the West Bank, and whilst this last point is no way a valid justification of civilians bearing the brunt, it demonstrates a complicity of the populous.
Netanyahu isnt going to sleep with you bro
It's all about the Benjamins.🤑🤑🤑
He wants them to cut him a check for being their political analyst
Dude that made me laugh
Well he might. Never know what that war criminal would be willing to do
He might. That Dude is hanging on by his last treads.
Listening to a Brit referencing Britain to debate the morality of war is like eating beans for breakfast
BBQ the next morning.🤔 So.....
As an Irish person I agree . Just remember it was Britain that created the Israel state
Beans are breakfast for 3/4 of the americas & carribean
It’s absurd int it, who the hell is this guy
Americans, throwing stones in glass houses since 1776 😂
This is one of the dumbest takes I’ve heard
Same. Joe comparing Mexican gangs to Hamas.
Mexican gangs would never be as motivated as Hamas to slaughter civilians because Hamas conflict is about RELIGION not MONEY. Hamas has religious reasons for hating and wanting to kill Jews
you never really watched the video
The smartest one, you are the dumb one
@@onepunchman8328 its pretty stupid to argue about morality from a podcast. If he was a soldier in the war, then his take would be worth anything.
The truth hurts, try to use your brain more
“Sometimes sacrifices have to be made, but it is very important that it doesn’t affect me negatively.”
Another element to this dilemma, is thequestion, did Israel attempt other methods to bring an end to this 75 year conflict? If they had only chosen to bomb, then sure I can see Joe's point. But we have witnessed Israel agreeing to a two-state solution in1948, followed by an attempt by five Arab armies to actually commit genocide. In 1967, Israel defeated the Arabs in six days and immediately offered the Arab world the territories in exchange for peace, and the Arab League said "NO". The Oslo Agreements brought great hope in 1993 but that led to a campaign of bus bombings by the PLO. In the year 2000 Ehud Barak and Yasser Arafat met with Bill Clinton at Camp David, they had an agreement, which Arafat pulled out of at the last moment. The next day the Second intifada began. Since then there has been the Wye Agreement and other agreements that have separated the territories into entities, A, B and C. In A and B the Palestinians vote in elections to the Palestinian Authority currently led by Abbas and police themselves, as well as Gaza, which became "un-occupied" in 2006. This led to rocket attacks from Gaza, which brings about Israeli retaliation.
Israel has tried every option to make peace, and all have been turned down. I wish Joe Rogan would read some history of the region. The attempts to make peace, right from the beginning, serve to make the destroy Hamas option a moral imperative. As all Americans right of Stalin would agree it is incumbent on the federal government of any nation to take up arms to protect its people and secure its borders.
Good on you for bringing actual history to this conversation
All very true ❤
This guy checked off all 12 of Ben Shapiro's talking points.
Meaning he is a rational smart guy
Genetic fallacy
@5dollarshake263 planning on addressing any of them? Or should the free world never wage war against people who put their military HQ underneath their own hospitals? 🏥
Ah, the good old Western propaganda on the JRE. "Britain had to make a decision to go fight the Nazis"..... he simply "forgot" to mention who actually ENDED the war. THE SOVIETS. To the UK and the US, war means business, and profits, the longer a war lasts, the better for the billionaires running the show. By the way, the only country that is still legally allowed to rally out in public, flying a swastika flag is the United States, everywhere else on the planet, it's illegal. In early 1945, Allied troops entered Germany. By mid-April, the SOVIETS had encircled the German capital of Berlin. On April 30, 1945, Adolf Hitler killed himself. The German armed forces surrendered unconditionally in the west on May 7 and in the east on May 9, 1945, bringing an end to World War II in Europe. You're welcome, Britain.
@@amsz6326 snart indeed.
It’s like these guys are trained to speak softly about terrible things so that you forget that it’s terrible
Sometimes you got to do terrible things to survive. That is life. a lot of people in the comments dont understand this about life but their children will.
@@Kai-nh9ut Spoken like a true genocide denier. I’m sure that anyone who has ever carried one out shared this sentiment.
He's out of his mind. US is the big dog with all the money and weapons. We should control Israel not the other way around. Why the US hasn't told them to stop the genocide is a question we all deserve an answer to? Why are we letting our little bitch in the middle east cause all this trouble?
I have a psychological issues . I struggle to get over it and I work hard on it. But I can tell you , when I lie, I literally don’t feel any problem. It comes so normal. The lie detector doesn’t now sense a thing . I tried it . These guys like this.
@@Kai-nh9utYes I’m sure that’s how all of the perpetrators of genocide thought. And they still committed genocide.
Imagine the loophole we'd create if we said that terrorists weren't going to be targeted if they embed themselves in the civilian populations.
You got Bin Laden with minimal collateral damage...
@hugoramirez9295
Bin lagen wasn't imbeded in the civilian population. He operated guerilla forces in the Afghan mountains.
@@sparten5654 the fact is Israel's government decides the amount of collateral damage that's acceptable for them, and the numbers speak for themselves
@hugoramirez9295
The ratio of civillian to combatant death is five times lower than the average for this type of conflict.
But whatever makes jews the bad guy, I guess..
@@sparten5654the bin laden raid was in a compound building in a city in Pakistan……
“There hasn’t been a war at home in the United Kingdom, except for that very recent one in Northern Ireland that still has huge ramifications today, in a very long time”
No, there was a war in England, but it was over 500 or 600 years ago but I see what you’re saying it doesn’t really count specially with the instruments of war being so much more devastating
He mentioned that 11:15
Holy fuck. Did he just say Cromwell fought for the "modern idea of democracy"? What the fuck is this guy on?
Maybe he fought for the idea of democracy, but he certainly didn't practice it.
Explains a lot actually, he's probably seething at the irish support for palestine too.
Just an idiot cramming the largest words he knows on top of one another to justify genocide. Period.
Yeah, us Irish really loved Cromwell's brand of democracy!
Yeah you caught that to
Excuse me, as a European, my great grandfather did not shove any Jew into any oven. Be specific about who did that and maybe those people should offer part of their state to the Jewish people.
Lol he is literally justify everything just because people in past did horrific things with jews
I agree and also stating that Europe hasn’t had to fight for anything is just a ridiculous thing to say
You are painfully naive
the Palestinians are occupied for 75 years they have every right to fight back the occupation
You did
Steve harvey at the Nuremberg trials: “they did what with the ovens?”
Joe I got one name for you…Mosab Hassan Yousef! That’s who you need to have on if you want to thoroughly discuss this topic
Yup the spy who betrayed his own people and call for the killing of all muslims and Palestinians 😂
This obtuse argument is insane. Killing innocent people will never be ok. War zone or no war zone. Mowing down people gathering flour for bread is not an excuse for mass execution.
What about at a music festival?
Crazy you believe what terrorists say. Israel will be free from terrorists
How do you fight a war without it?
@@DreadPages notice how he didn't justify that either, my god, the what aboutism is insanely common
@@georgiadawgs8260 without civilians casualties you can't, but theres a scale, that makes it an acceptable military target, say there's 2 militants to one civilian, or even a 1 to one ratio, those are acceptable numbers on the international level, but 300 civilians to one possible militant isnt,
This guy got his talking points directly from the IDF
Maybe he should take them from Iran
@@liorzelering5988you must know from all you war experience.
@@liorzelering5988 you sound like you’re a proponent of the spontaneous squatting escapades movement!
Now, let's see if you can actually articulate a real argument?....
try and disprove them mate, you are empty of substance
People seem to forget about the “Blitzcreig”
As a black man that has been to Isreal and Palastine many times, I’m so grateful for Joe Rogan. He will be on the right side of history.
The moral judgement by a Brit that starving people is a legitimate practice isn’t a surprise given what his country did to Ireland.
And India
& 1/2 the world
“that was just for funzies though innit mate?”
Israel sends food supplies to civilians while hamas takes it gluten themselves leaving innocent civilians starvimg
He’s Irish too
This guy brushed off the Ireland conflict like it was peanuts. Wow
They have a habit of doing that
@@easydoesit83They or (((they)))?
He's Irish, and historically very pro-The Republic of Ireland. So much so that his old publication was accused of being pro-IRA.
Still, he brushes off a thirty year long war like nothing
@@hannesgranlund8838 they weren't talking about Northern Ireland. Had that been the subject at hand, O'Neil would have had a lot to say about it.
This guy sounds so much like the Tech Support guy from Vanilla Sky.
Except the Balfour Declaration, which basically planned the establishment of Israel was written in 1917.
Thank you Joe for pushing back against this ridiculous guy.
He didn’t make a good rebuttal
He needs Dave Smith there
@@chrisbrown2211 Dave tries to ride the fence like a stripper rides a pole…
Ridiculous to people like you Hamas people.
Please bring Abby Martin
The first casualty of war is the truth
Yes and it was Palestinians who were attacked first
@@FlCarScene 75 yrs ago?
Good one
Truth doesn't bleed persons do. The obligation to adhere to Truth standards die at the hands of those who deny its power to act righteously.
Sure 75 years ago and every freakin year after that. Your colonialist mindset will not let you see that. You can’t just get away with it. Call them whatever you like, they have every right whatsoever to rise up against the people oppressing and occupying them
Thank you Brendan O'Neill for opening people eyes.
Joe- “this has never happened before” history- “Which example would you like?”
He sounds like a British politician, the speech patterns are exactly like Sunak and what he says is exactly like an Israel spokesperson
Very delusional indeed
except that he only said true correct stuff if you think about it without any bias ;)
The discussion in this war is absurd.
First. Israel acted selflessly to live in peace with the Palestinians in Gaza. It was more than a decade ago when Israel itself ordered Israeli citizens who had lived there for decades to literally leave their homes. The first thing the Palestinians did in return was to elect a government that enshrined the goal of destroying Israel in the constitution. The elected government followed through with its promise. Since its founding, thousands of rockets have flown into Israeli settlement areas. Dozens of civilians died in terrorist attacks. Millions of aid funds - intended for civilian institutions - were misused to sponsor this terrorism. October 7th was just what Humus had been doing for years.
Secondly. Israel behaved more humanely in this conflict than any other conceivable party in any imaginable conflict. It allowed Palestinians to work in Israel, receive medical care or even migrate to Israel. During war, they warn civilians where their military is operating. They admit collateral damage and apologize for it.
The situation is clear. In no other conflict the responsibility for the suffering has been so one sided and clear - in no other conflict have the perpetrators been held accountable so weakly. People with voice and power who claim to reject war and the nature of war have a duty to unequivocally name the culprit of this war and do everything in their power to eliminate them. Everything else is responsibility for the resulting suffering and is as history has proved continuing this madness.
He is MOST PROBABLY PAID HANDSOMELY by his isreali masters and has clearly handed his soul to the devils
@@jankaufmann4305 yeah cause humus are literally a death cult that see pally deaths as heroism even for kids, they don't care about their own lives let alone pally people, all they wanna do is keep doing oct7ths and even at larger scales if they could, up to the ultimate scale. yet millions in the west march and protest for them =)) the post-truth society is a wild place
Why are both of you not talking about why Hamas exists??
Its not even a theory, its stated fact in interviews. On point good Sir.
It exists because Bibi satanyahu funded Hamas via Qatar to divide Palestine and PLO
Because most people don’t actually care to look into history that deeply and because others are paid not to care.
Or that Pa lesti nians had been the victims of violent persecution for 40 yrs before it existed.
@@layinlow77 you're gonna play the persecution game with the J's? LMAO
This is one of the wisest takes I ever heard
It’s not surprising most human beings in the comment section can’t understand what this guy is saying. He did it as well as possible in a short time frame.
Digging up graves & removing bodies all for new settlements is heartbreaking for the whole of humanity
Can you think of any other reason they would dig them? Perhaps a habit of one side of the conflict to peddle in corpses?
Digging up Graves was how Israel found dead hostages...
Because they are Evil
@@yakov95000 you believe that nonsense, funny stuff.
No kidding. I've never seen anything so evil. We are seeing children being killed and amputated every day, most with no anesthetics. They are an Apartheid State. The idf is full of shit. Lies, lies, lies.
He lost me when he tried to convince me that this generation has not been at War for the entirety of our lives. He says we don't know what it's like to fight a war but has he forgotten about the last 30 years? Oh plus before I was born we were also constantly entangled in foreign wars. I'm not sure what this guy is talking about
"WAR is Hell but its not the worst thing in life" - Amen
It's nice to drop this snippet on here so that I know not to bother with this episode on Spotify
You shouldnt bother with any episodes to be fair😂
100%
He's back on CZcams full episodes
Factssss
The amount of factual selectivity makes me wanna throw up. Maybe just start with the fact that Israel is in a apartheid state? As deemed by nearly every human rights group out there. INCLUDING THOSES IN ISRAEL
As a vet I can assure you no war is just. You are only being used. There are no winners. No glory. No heros.
Sorry man you had to be put through that I tried to join the military at 19 but I had a withdrawal Caesar from alcohol from bad choices I wanted to be a fighter pilot and fly f-16s and if I couldn't fly them I wanted to fly the f-15 strike eagle thank you for your service❤❤❤❤
“War doesn’t make boys men, War makes men dead”
Thank you for your service, Joshua. I'm sorry our nation took it for granted.
I’m sorry for your service, but sounds like you’ve become wiser because of it 🤜🏿
U arent a real vet u are a pog
Im surprised they didn't talk about Japan in this conversation
Joe needs to have Bassem Yousef on. It would get a lot of views and the discussion would be insightful. Plus they're both comedians
He's unfunny and a hypocrite. But it wouldn't be a first in JRE
@@PolNqn you're entitled to that view. Doesn't change the fact that he has a wide reaching audience and is able to explain his opinions very clearly, something that's needed when discussing this topic. I'm sure you'd love to see a bunch of disconnected robots spewing Israeli propaganda trying to justify war crimes and violations of international and US laws, but some of us actually want to see a nuanced discussion with someone who is actually affected by what's going on and can speak from personal experience.
The lesson here is that you can be well spoken and ignorant simultaneously.
Sometimes it’s not even just ignorance, you also have to be wicked to justify 💣 children, elders women civilians.
This british clown is making money of the killing of children, in one way or another. Strange joe keeps having these guys on, but none of the voices who are against whats happening
Did you write this about yourself?
His arguments are insane. No justification for any of what he's spouting
@@adirsab🤡
The ‘moral’ argument for bombing civilians???
The moral failure lies in the hands of Hamas
Really unbelievable....
See Dresden, WWII. Civilian deaths are always terrible, but this war was started by an action of terror by Hamas, whose strategy is always using civilian human shields. Why did they never build bomb shelters for their people in 15 years? They were receiving billions in aid.
@littlecatfeet9064 you do realize that Dresden was condemned by the allies and why international law was created...at this point why even discuss war crimes?
the Palestinians are occupied for 75 years they have every right to fight back the occupation
Where is Abby Martin and will Joe ever bring her back? 🤷♂️
The idea that you can conduct a war "humanely" is at the root of this problem. There is nothing humane about war, and trying to prolong it only creates more suffering for both sides.
The war was started because the Israel government is trying to get the hostages back and destroy Hamas, the terrorist organiszation that was responsible for the massacre on Oct 7. Hostages have still not been returned, and Hamas leaders are hiding, thus preventing the war to end.
I'm making a moral judgement on Mr O'Neill and it's not good.
hes written in defence of child predators before
@anglodoomer5995 Link please?
Moral based on what standard?
So invading Nazi Germany was bad according to your logic.
Stupid people tend to think like you.
It’s fascinating to see this guy talking about young people when people who are older than the state of Israel’s itself criticize Israel
so do they criticize palestine
And yet those same critics are silent on the Ukraine conflict.
Classic anti-Israeli non sequitur. He is talking about young western ignoramuses who support Hamas because they are "oppressed". They aren't. If they used the billions in aid money the west has sent them for anything other than making their leaders in Qatar billionaires and bombs, they could be a flourishing people. But they aren't and they are two b*tch made to admit it's their own fault.
@@robfarrell9104 some people are but some aren’t.
@@onepunchman8328 yes they do
I think the most important questions in any discussion like this are: 'what do we want to happen next', 'what can realistically happen next', and 'how will the consequences echo into the future'? Focussing on moral responsibility will get us no-where, because both sides will continue to scream at each other passionately, claiming that they are the ones who have been the most violated, until the end of time. The is no 'solution', there can only be mitigation. We must ask what truly realistic and viable actions will save the most lives, and prevent the most suffering, projecting into the future for decades to come? People for sure even have differing views about the best answer to that question... but, at least I feel that it is a better and more useful question to ask than, 'who is most morally justified'.
I think rogans wrong about his mexico speculation.nobody will be upset if we had a retaliation from an attack just like nobody was upset with our attack after 9/11.a response was expected.
Give them England as their own country.
"They" (the UN) gave Jews Israel and gave Palestinians Jordan. It is already settled.
He said they were attacked for race… not that they stole land n are ethnicity cleansing
This guy would find a way to defend British history of killing people in foreign lands
they already have that country
@@Dave-cf4vd nope they the UN say westbank and Gaza including Jerusalem are occupued by the GENOCIDE ARMY.
Listening to his logic is extremely unsettling. How can these people not see that INNOCENT PEOPLE DO NOT DESERVE TO DIE??
Listening to your logic is unsetlling. You: "Look Israel I know that for 70 years the Palestinian government has supported, funded, and taught terrorists who rape, murder, and kill Jews simply because they are Jews, but you should just lay down and take it. I mean look, even though we are rewarding terrorists by refusing to kill them if they hide behind their own familie's lives, not to mention allowing them to repeat more attacks on your own women and children in the future, it's still wrong to try to kill them." The inverted morality is shocking to see.
“Innocent people do not deserve to die”
When Hamas says they will conduct October 7 attacks again and again, that is exactly what Israel is trying to prevent.
Why can’t you see that if you don’t want endless innocent deaths year after year ?
what did they expect when the attacked ? or maybe rebel/vote out Hamas, o right they are not a democracy...
are you referring to the children hunted down and killed on October 7 ? Hunted down and killed
@@mz4kidsthis all didn’t start on October 7th. Learn your history
Nicely done👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾Rogans liberal side kicked back in with that great point about hamas in jewish hospital.
I love how he couldn't answer the question
Joe, invide your old friend Abby Martin to discuss this issue
I think he doesn’t want to hear what really is going on there
He's not allow .. probably will lose some sponsorship.
Abby doesn’t come off as credible. I like her, but there are more knowledgeable and rational advocates for the Palestinians out there.
Ahh abby. The woman who refuses to denounce Hamas. Sure. Then bring on Finkelstein too. Reputable people..
Yeah, that paid Al Jazeera mouthpiece who can vomit lies with a straight face who openly admits that she doesn`t even know really what happened on Oct. 7, but that does not prevent her from parroting the lies to accuse Israel of every imaginable crime. What a waste of human life
Joe has gotten so good at just letting guest dig themselves into logical holes all the while keeping distance and disagreeing politely.
It was amazing ...I don't know how Joe keeps his composure so well...
@@anthonygil1522 he’s come such a long way from when he went meathead on Stephen Crowder all those years ago
if you paid any attention in history. You can make a ton of parallels to the Vietnam war to the Israel Hamas war
An intelligent guest. Joe comes off like he just fell out of the coconut tree 🌴
Nah bro this dude is wild, his argument is built on a foundation that is crumbling right in front of the world for everyone to see
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@@adirsabschizophrenic
And getting worse. Mossad is full power right now with shutting down the protests and putting sheep like this guy in front of cameras. He says make a moral judgement, I don’t think he knows what morals are.
The fact that Bassem Yousef hasn’t come on the show yet is bizzare
maybe because he's a disingenous propagandist/charlatain who traffics in lies?
Joe "I'll have anyone unless their views aren't right-adjacent" Rogan
I disagree, I think it’s pretty understandable considering how many smart political commentators there are in media, most with diverse opinions on this debate & many other political debates, and Joe is only 1 guy with 2 other careers, with tons of hobbies and he interviews people only he personally finds interesting from ALL walks of life…ironically at the beginning of this episode, Joe actually jokes about the frustration of there being so many interesting people he wants to talk to, yet only so much time & availability. I am sure he will have him on someday
I think he was in tour. I bet he comes on soon.
100% agree. the fact that he's also a comedian and he's talking about something very important right now.
Never trust anyone who uses the word “conundrum”
Brendan is spot on! Joe asks good questions to try poking holes in his positions too. Good discussion, gentleman.
Dude definitely expected Joe to just fold on him and agree. It's not ok to kill innocent people, it doesn't matter how many words you use to explain it, how much it was done in the past, or whose homeland you're attempting to establish.
He didn't say killing innocent people is "ok". He said the deaths of innocent people is unfortunately unavoidable in war. Especially when their own government is using them as Human Shields, building bunkers under their homes, fighting out of uniform, and firing from behind them.
@@dshappir watch it again man. Joe makes a point that he wouldn't be ok with "unavoidable" deaths if they were Jewish. Bombing a hospital is not "unavoidable".
@@dshappirno evidence of human shield. Only Israeli peddled propaganda
"innocent people" ok
What a ridiculous summary of what he was saying
"you're not supposed to make moral judgement" proceeds to make moral judgement
He’s a nitwit, cringe listening to this guy. Joe Rogan on the other hand, is a legend.
Think you missed the point…
How could you not care more about your own people than the enemy’s people? This is the only reason you exist right now.
@@UserOfTheDay triggered person of the day
You weren’t listening he said it’s unfashionable to make moral judgements but it’s something we must do sometimes
Thank you for this important conversation.
His argument is that the western view has never had to experience conflict so we don’t understand but I feel like all the years of war tearing down and building back up so we can build a future where we don’t have. I’m sorry if I’m missing something.
A Brit talking about morally justifying occupation and civilian casualties?! shocking....
O'Neill is Irish
@@anglodoomer5995maybe his ancestors were but he talks and acts like a Brit, was probably raised there
@@reyrodriguez4280 west Brit
As a Irishman watching this, it doesn't surprise me. he gives a complete green light to the Zionist regime. Prick makes me sick, just like black and tans
There is no occupation... Disputed maybe.... Name a war where civilians have never died? Hypocrite!
People is Gaza were shot when they tried to access food aid. This is not a just war.
This is NOT a war. The Palestinians do NOT have any military, no army, no soldiers no tanks, no jets, no bombs, no drones, etc, nothing to defend themselves with!! The other side is armed to the teeth from the No.1 military industrial complex in the world.
Have you been to war? That is the reality of war! That is part of war, you can't wage wars and be polite! That's why we should avoid war, and hamas started it!
Did you mean Hamas members? Same thing happened to ISIS, they got killed while trying to get some food, poor people... We all should cry now.
@@waterbear1337
That is what happens between combatants . Not against unarmed civilians . You are calling war crimes . War
Gazans are occupied people . They don’t have a sovereign state
This is a genocide aided by USA
@@shitinsideyou what the f**k are you talking about? How can children be consider Hamas members? You have problems
Obviously Joe hasn't heard about WW2....
Damn I gotta side with the “who the fk is this guy?” Guy lol
What's Britain excuse for occupying Ireland 🇮🇪 🤔
What’s the arabs excuse to invade Spain 🇪🇸🤔
What's Israel excuse for occupying Palestinians land @@chivomartinez
@@chivomartinez If you read history, after the Islamic conquest, Spain became one of the richest countries, and Christians, Muslims, and Jews lived in luxury until the Crusades came. Which carried out massacres against Jews, Muslims, and opposing Christians. If what you are saying is true, the Spaniards would still hate Muslims, but anyone who reads history knows that the largest massacres in Spain were at the hands of campaigns Crusader
@@theearthisntflat5863Jews did NOT live in luxury under Spanish rule...ever heard of the Inquisition?! Literally one of the biggest forms of persecution against the Jewish people happened under Spanish & Portuguese rule in the 14/1500s...Jews were almost never living in great conditions...something gentiles generally agreed on across the board historically was that they hated Jewish people. Muslims 🫱🏻🫲🏼Christians 🫱🏻🫲🏼Catholics🫱🏻🫲🏼Pagans all hated Jews historically speaking..
@@chivomartinez read history and talk after
I cannot believe Joe has listened to Abby Martin talk for hours and he has no rebuttal
I know. 🤦
Good interviewers let the person express themselves. It's not a debate, it's an interview.
@@GaryARahnSo when's he having Abby Martin on again?
Where's Bassem
@@ryandamon9390 im literally waiting for basem
This is the legend who got me back into my orthodox church after 10 years of atheism.
Joe and a lot of people don't understand that the Palestinian general public are not like us. They are supporters not innocent bystanders.
It's pretty bold to keep asking the question of what is "morally" right, yet still implying the answer is: "killing innocent civilians is a means to an end."
Your ignorance about war, the history of war, and the laws of war, is just proof of the total failure of the educational system. I don't hold that against you. What I do hold against you is offering an opinion about something about which you know nothing.
The people who scream loudest for war do so from the comfort of their own armchairs. They know they will not have to fight the wars themselves
@@MitchellRMiller-lt1xi War is a faliure of human endeavor on every front. Knowing the history of it will teach you that.
@@tevildo45 except the jihadist that kill people and scream jihad jihad jihad
@@tevildo45 the people who scream the loudest for ceasefire have never been threatened existentially...thus, the ignorance of "luxurious moralising."
Dude has rewritten history to justify his argument.
what part of history has he rewritten?
@@beetaliusdad here is just being triggered
@@beetaliusthe part where Muslims lie and rape.
@@beetalius He just leaves out the fact that Israel violently removed some 750,000 Palestinians from their land in 1948 and has persecuted them since. Tries to make it sound like it's all just a matter of hating Joos. And then simply denies their current war crimes that the whole world can see.
Israel existed before Palestine
That guy is exceptionally well spoken
Morals are self centered, personal and individual. Not any way to govern & not any way to go to war.
Knowledge is more important. ❤
"You know what's worse than killing innocent civilians... people not wanting innocent civilians to be killed" - Brendan O'Neil
Genocidal statement of the year
That was a bar .... 💯💯💯
Nah it was more like not wanting innocent civilians to be killed over and over and over again. Whereas they take out Hamas now and it should be over unless palestine attacks again
"innocents". how many would you say are innocent, excluding the population under 18.
@@ehaaron how many according to you?
Yeah screw this guy this isnt even a "war"
Oh Israel is just supposed to stop, this isnt a game, If Hamas actually cared about their people they could surrender any time. But they dont for some reason.
@@gsp3428 Average social media Hamas bot: "Did Israel just try being nice?" LOL
@@gsp3428They can keep going. But need to cut it out with calling others terrorist when they are committing terroristic acts themselves. They are no longer the “good” guys
He says young people aint ever been to war. When the fook has he been to war? 😂
It is a war. Hamas represents the Palestinian vote. They voted for ppl who organized and did these atrocities to Israeli civilians. It is a declaration of war.
"the anti colonial war is the worth war we should fight". The irony
He learned all the gaslight and hypnotism techniques from the “best”
Well give them YOUR country if you did this to them, not someone else's!!!
What country was there before the current one?
@@information_handlelook at a map before Israel it still says Palestine
The West Bank is literally called Judah and Samaria for 3000 years, and all of the historic names of the ancient cities are in Hebrew. I think there might be a reason that’s the land they ended in…
@@ElishaZakaiwhat other people's would you find acceptable to uproot the current people and import people who lived there in antiquity? That's a genuine question.
you make it sound like "palestine" existed as a country, before 69 :D before westbank, it was Jordan, before Jordan it was the british, Before british it was egypt. Before egypt it was ottomans, before ottomans it was mamluks before mamluks it was Annubids, before annubids it was kingdom jerusalem, So what "before" are you talking about?
The most ironic part of this whole dialogue was when he talks about "just" causes for wars and mentions populations fighting against "colonialism" He doesn't even realize.....
So Islam and Arabs just showed up in Israel by teleportation?🤣
Exactly! Like he thinks this thing just started on Oct 7
Just unreal how clueless he is...
Some people are just stupid mate, anyone who thinks this war started Oct 7 is just a moron
Yeah he's got a touch of the downs
Hahahahah yep!
Who pushed who into an oven?! Who is this guy and why does he have no clue!?
If they need their own country, why didn't they give them their land? Why give them someone elses land?
I question whether "The lobby" is sending people to JRE now, I've never even seen this guy before
This is my first time seeing hearing him ever too
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Definitely is watch the Coleman Hughes interview the guy was obviously a paid propagandist surprised no one else noticed
I was thinking the exact same thing.
Remember, speaking sophisticated and sounding intelligent doesn't mean you have high IQ and this vid speaks it perfectly
Best comment of the year anywhere, right on
But being unable to demonstrates that you have a low one, Mr Speaking Sophisticated
@@duncefunce1513 ?? Anyways
Jesus, use grammerly. Or find an adult to help your writing.
"anyway"
His explanation is lacking, and I say this as an Israeli.
The only thing we should ask ourselves is what’s the most effective alternative approach israel should take, regarding the history of combating these organisations
(and regarding the fact that the latter will exploit whatever humanitarian breach you’ll give them, including their people’s suffering in order to extend the conflict).
I declare myself a Joe Rogan's Fan right now.
Can we all just remember that having a British accent doesn't mean you're not stupid ... Just take into account any recent british prime minister.
Yes, absolutely. Americans are waaaay too easily taken in by the British accent. I say this as a Brit.
dont forget Douglas Murray...
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😂😂😂 true
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All the Zonists really trying hard to get on the Rogan podcast on the daily.
Ain’t they tho
And that is a very good thing. Zionism is without a doubt the most moral reason for a country to be created. Zionism is a good thing. The whole notion that Jewish Nationalism should be assumed to somehow be worse than other nationalisms is such obvious racism, no matter how popular that racism is. Antisemitism has always been one of the most popular racisms, but anyone who thinks that somehow legitimizes a genocidal racism that has exterminated the majority of Europe's Jews last century is the ugliest racist that exists.
Anyone who disagrees with you is a Zionist? What are you 3 year old?
We live in strange times when the term Zionist is weaponized as a normalized anti semitic slur.
As if a return to what the UN has agreed is indigenous lands is supposedly bad.
People like you should rather front with what you really want to say, you want Jews killed, israel destroyed, you are welcome.
Calm down everybody...everything is solved...since he has the understanding for these conflicts.
Thanks MATE!
I ain’t going to lie, dude makes really good points my man Joe.
“They need their own country because of what we (Europe) did to them 80 years ago.” Very good point. But then why not give them land in Europe? Why use them to displace a population of people (who had nothing to do with the terrible things that were done to the Jewish people) who have lived on a land for generations and then act surprised when those displaced people don’t want to give up their rights to their land. That is where the problem and conflict started. Not Oct 7.
Jewish people are INDIGENOUS to the LAND OF ISRAEL according to *ALL* archeological, anthropological, genetic, biological, & verbal evidence. Even during the Diaspora, there has *always* remained a steady Jewish presence in that land...Palestine isnt even an Arabic word, it was renamed Judea-Palestina by the ROMANS when they conquered the area, & since then there has *never been* an independent country named Palestine ever (the Arabic language doesn't even have the letter P). Just bec European Jews have adapted European looks (biological adaptation 101 btw) bec they migrated there centuries ago after being expelled by the Romans etc, that doesn't negate anything. Besides, what about all the ethnic Sefardi Jews that arent European?! You know the ~850k that were ethnically cleansed from Arab countries? Ahhhh so conveniently forgotten about eh? 🤨🤨...so why should Jewish people be "given" a Homeland anywhere but where they've already been residing for thousands of years?
What did Europe do? It was only after several major Israeli terror attacks against the British did they pull out of the mandate and gave it back to the U.N. General Assembly. On 29 November 1947 the UN General Assembly voted on the partition plan, ADAOPTED BY 33 VOTES TO 13 with 10 abstentions. The Jewish side accepted the UN plan for the establishment of two states. The Arabs rejected it and launched a war of annihilation against the Jewish state.
@@melbialo4919 Yes, Jewish people of Arab descent have lived in Palestine forever, and peacefully coexisted with other Arabs of different faiths (Muslims and Christians). Regardless of what you choose to call the land, the conflicts, which continue to this day and have only become bloodier over time, began after Western nations chose to declare the state of Israel on that land and displace the indigenous people with Europeans. Even Palestinian Jews in the Westbank are not treated the same as Israeli Jews. You don’t have to agree with me, but at some point we all have to acknowledge the truth. I don’t believe in the slaughter of any people, regardless of what they believe or where they come from. God gave us life and placed us here on Earth to live in peace. We are the ones who have chosen to make war with one another instead.
@@bodasactra I was quoting Brendan O’Neill, hence the quotation marks around the statement. And he was referencing the atrocities committed by the Nazis during the Holocaust.
@@FordeTough You agree with it. Israel was approved by the U.N. and created by the Jews themselves fighting off Arab coalition invasion they day they declared a state, its forged with Jewish blood. The Arab invasions displaced Muslims. Israel's constitution stated all were welcome and many stayed. Israel today has over 21% equal Muslim citizens, 2 million people. Muslim states cleansed all their Jews out of spite.
Gotta tell ya buddy... it's getting harder and harder to play the moral argument here...
No it isn’t.
One side is a bunch of barbaric terrorists and the other is actually adhering to the international rules of engagement no matter how much people lie and say they aren’t.
One side is a real nation and the other is a fairytale that is actually the moniker adopted by the Romans in 135AD for the Jewish Kingdom of Judeah and has never existed at any point in history
Don’t confuse the way someone is talking with the context of what they’re actually saying.
The problem is Creating the Irgun to use terrorism negates the criticism of Hamas. Both are wrong but one can not point the finger of immorality at the other.
If the Irgun got away with it then the other side expect to also get away with it, its took decades of persecution before the other side has lowered itself to the levels used against it.
Equating genocide with a civil war is laughable, a twisted logic
He knows full well what he is doing. He's just an imperialist.
no genocide there
I knowwww what happened in October was horrible and intentional🥲
We dont know the true numbers . The death counts come from hamas. Probably greatly exaggerated. But yes israel doesn't care much about them anymore. And who can blame them at this point?
@adirsab There is no war in Ba Sing Se
🙄 whenever someone says nobody in our generation has to deal with wars I just laugh my way to the VA because we’ve definitely been at war since 01’
He was talking about Europeans
I get your point but people who were at war in 2001 can be like 40 or 50 today
@@b1bbscraz3yyeah and people who graduated in 2012 fought in Afghanistan it lasted 20 years
@@ElishaZakaii’m from Europe and i was in the war from 1992 till 1995. This guy is full of bull
Yup, this guy is talking out off his ass.
Joe really surprised me with his logical and nuanced perspectove on this. Ive seen he had a lot of pro isreal guests on recently and figured he might be insensitive to the palestinian struggle. He understands that tragedy does not justify more tragedy.
Netanyahu was one of the first to congratulate Biden. Before ballots were even counted. Listen to him talk in his native language. It’s something else.
They way he’s painting the picture 😂😂
“We used to think education would deliver people from ignorance”…
It clearly didn’t for you brotha!!!