X-Men The Saga Of Baby Magneto
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- čas přidán 23. 07. 2024
- The X-Men characters have had their fair share of outlandish plots across their tenure at Marvel Comics. When it comes to their classic foe Magneto he was once de-aged to a baby...and not even in the X books. Come explore the tale of how the Master of Magnetism was originally de-aged, and the fast forward to a period when it would come to matter more than ever. It's a fun look back at a wild period of X history here on Casually Comics!
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0:00 Intro
2:40 De-aged
9:23 Re-aged
11:32 90sified
16:46 Wrap Up
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Would you look after baby Magneto?
I would team up with Cosmic Ghost Rider and raise him next to Baby Thanos.
100%
I'm not great with kids. But I'd certainly try.
Mastermind WINS: BABALITY!
No because the if the baby had colic then everything metal would crush me. Not out of malice but instinct. OUCH!
Professor X says the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants are evil, yet the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants say Professor X is evil! How could Alpha know who to believe without weighing their souls?
He was probably thinking, 'ugh, I'm so over it. I have better things to do. Let's see... eeny, meeny, minie, mo....'
Maybe they should change their name?
@@padraicloingsigh421 They did. To the Legion of Evil Mutants. That should clear all the confusion.
"From my point of view, it's the Jedi who are evil!"
@@KasumiKenshirou Well, then you are lost!
You skipped over X-Men 112 & 113 where Magneto captures the X-Men and takes them to his Antarctica base. There he puts neural scrambler collars on them that makes them act physically similar to infants. This is so that they know the humiliation he suffered when he was turned into a baby.
That's one of my favorites! Really just for the Storm spotlight. I can close my eyes and see the panel of her tongue. 😂
Was just going to point that out, thanks...
I wondered if I had imagined that!
It was truly Awesome!!
Every 12 years, Magneto has to go in for his regularly scheduled prostate exam and de-aging. He's got to do it so he can stay in prime fighting shape. Man is nearly 100 years old now. So he's got to stay on top of his health
"It's Magneto, again"
I like to imagine Silver Age Magneto taking over the UN once a week or so to deliver one of his speeches about how the mutants are soon going to take over and humans will be history.
Followed by Doom going on another rant about how Reed Richards sucks.
@@jordanloux3883”RICHARDS!!!!”
I love how casually he finds the lovecraftian remains of an antediluvian civilisation, deciphers their alien language and absorbs their entire technology. Sounds like it took him weeks!
And he does it again in the 80's
It's a good thing Tony or Forge wasn't there to hear that. They'd be down there an hour later trying to reverse engineer it all. Hank (Pym, not McCoy) is 50/50, depending on how long it's been since Ultron made an appearance. Reed would be down there, but I can't see Reed tagging along on a Defenders mission.
Mystique would claim in her solo series that "evil," in BoEM was meant to be ironic.
I'm still tripping over the fact that the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants is evil.
Someone has to ask them if that was an ironic hipster thing or something some day.
@@brettwood1351 Magneto just looks shocked when you define the meaning of the world evil to him.
@@brettwood1351there was an issue where he says he called them that because people saw them as evil.
@@nobodybw1962 "What do you mean Evil means bad?! I thought it meant Radical!"
3:39 Can we all please address that The Hulk is the one pushing Professor X's wheelchair here?
Hulk is considerate. And yet Xavier still would have voted to launch him into space.
Defenders Hulk is ... different.
7:59 Alpha kind of looks like a younger Professor X, they even have the same giant eyebrows. I like to think Magento did that on purpose, he was like “ I don’t need you Charles, I have a younger more powerful version” lol
He traded Charles in for the younger model! Scandalous!
I love the sexual tension between Charles and magneto. And I LOVE that x-men 97 has leaned into it. I kept expecting them to grab each other and make out during all their scenes together.
I love how heroes would often trap villains in bubbles and leave them alone forever (as Thor does to Magneto at 4:29 ). The JLA did that with the Crime Syndicate. And I think Solomon Grundy once got that treatment too. There's never any consideration for (a) food/water, (b) air, or (c) bathroom facilities. So, basically, they're leaving these villains to die basically, possibly dying in their own filth.
To be fair, Grundy is a zombie, so he at least doesn't need to worry about that.
@@brettwood1351 Also he dies like every other week.
@@GabePuratekuta Comes with being an plant zombie that just rezzes. Like how Wolverine always gets wrecked because he's got a healing factor.
8:04 "It's too late! Can't you see how big his head is??" 😂
This is what happens when Charles doesn't take Erik's phone calls. The guy does weird stuff when he gets lonely...
Comics in the 90s will use 400 words per panel and yet still fail to explain what they mean
I like the idea that Magneto's powers have an effect on him. It's an interesting analogue to how mental illness effects people and how it is/should be treated. Some would say eliminating the cause of Magneto's mental instability allows him to be his "true self." Others may argue that the effect Magneto's powers have on his brain is part of his "true self" and taking that away diminishes him.
I remember Claremont did more with it later one, with Magneto commenting to someone, might have been Charles that if he uses his powers on too high a level, it messes with his brain chemistry. Might have been one the Excalibur books.
I need to get more early Defenders. Wacky plots are my jam. Baby Unus is no longer untouchable, he's cuddly-wuddly Unus.
You definitely need to read Quasar 13-16 from 1990. It’s shows that after Alpha flew into space, he was captured by the Stranger also with more obscure characters than you can shake a stick at.
7:05 -Delegate from Canada: Well maybe we'd be more friendly to ya if ya didn't go around calling yourselves superior, ay? 😂
Poor Defenders, their original roster was Strange, Hulk, Namor, and Silver Surfer. Kinda hard to measure up with guys like Nighthawk. I even like Nighthawk.
"When our very designation proclaims we are your betters!"
Mags, Eric, Max, world's worst dad, you made up the designation yourself when you tried to steal nukes!
Would love a video talking about comic covers that straight up lie to us about what the story is about
Seriously though, The Defenders covers for the longest time had Namor's face on the cover despite him having left the team in issue 14, and remaining off the team for a good while. Made all the more insulting given Valkyrie had established herself as basically one of the only three mainstays at the time. The others being Doctor Strange and The Hulk.
And when they did get around to finally replacing Namor's face? It's Nighthawk...... Like, he does become the fourth mainstay from here. I like him, but... still.
Superdickery?
1:13 Yeah, comic book logic mixing with the courtroom is interesting. I'm still hung up on the time Sandman and Hydroman got fused together into a mud monster, and then got a full pardon because the creature was technically neither man.
And then the rest of the story line was a King Kong parody for no reason.
X-Men 104 has the greatest Magneto splash page ever. It's beautiful.
Thank you for showing "The Defenders" some respect! Normally comics commentary either ignores them or makes fun of them. And they were cool! And I always forget how over-the-top nuts Magento was during this period. (I wouldn't babysit him.)
If I may digress, when I started reading super hero comics in 1984, Marvel published 4 main on-going team titles: Fantastic Four, which was a family/friends unit that received powers from a common origin; X-Men, which was a team of strangers who became their own tribe due to their fugitive status; Avengers, who were like an after school club or scouting, and member personality types differed more than in the FF or X; ...and then the Defenders, who were like the outcasts in high school who hung out in the outside smoking area.
(Not to forget, but Marvel also had 4 minor team titles: New Mutants, which was a school for heroes; Alpha Flight, which was about the private lives of their members, not the team; Micronauts, a sci-fi group of soldiers in space; and Power Pack, which was FF with children for members.)
But on closer scrutiny, the Defenders were more then the Avengers team who fought supernatural foes. The New Defenders were half a genuine team (the former X-Men) and half people who joined against their will but had to stay (Val as a warden and Moondragon as her prisoner) or had no where else to go (Gargoyle and Cloud). It was a bizarre dynamic that worked.
The New Defenders was really all about the redemption and subsequent fall of Moondragon, and how her selfish actions caused collateral damage. (Notably for Cloud, a transgender person.). I wonder were the series would have gone with new member Andromeda if only it weren't cancelled for the enjoyable but bland-in-comparison X-Factor. (Well, officially New Defenders was cancelled with Crystal, The Thing, Micronauts, Dazzler, ROM, Star Wars, and Powerman/Iron Fist to make room for the New Universe titles; perhaps Further Adventures of Indiana Jones and the US Dr. Who were, too, as they also ended in 1986). If you have time, give the D's a quick look, esp. #132, #136, and #141.
*3 X-MEN & A Baby!*
I think more villains should just randomly get zapped into babies.
Bruce, why are you not capitalising on this? It’s technically not killing!
But who the fuck wants to change the diapers of Kang the conqueror?
BABALITY!
Because he's been through it already.
@@GabePuratekutaAnd the incident only increased his power for the storyline
Imagine Bruce doing this then raising them from babies to be future robins.
Also depending on if Bruce it pro life or pro choice, he could de-age them far enough that it’s no longer considered killing them (just saying depending on where he lands on that argument this could be a good way to stop joker indefinitely)
Mostly it just seem like they missed a huge opportunity to have a toddler version of the Brotherhood of Evil. Imagine how cute they would have been while trying to conquer the world!
I think it was meant to convey that Magneto's frequent use of his powers causes eventual brain damage. It would explain the "Bwhaaa EVIL" Magneto in the early 60s to 70s and when Moira tinkered. It meant she healed his mind but given his frequent use of powers, it caused an eventual degradation (aka made him crazy evil again).
Even though there were stories in the 90s where Magneto was just protecting himself (X-Men Unlimited #2 when a former Soviet Soldier is hunting him, not for the sinking of the Soviet sub from Uncanny 150, but for a Soviet army coming near Magda's grave) or even saving Prof. X (X-Men Unlimited #1 it's never stated until a later Uncanny X-Men issue after Fatal Attractions where it's revealed Magneto saved Chuck from Sienna Blaze from the Upstarts).
Not to mention John Bryne has a perchance in HATING reformed villains (aka the X-Factor Annual where Dr. Doom reconstructs Magneto's helmet and forces Magneto to play a "game" with an innocent mutant's life. Or during the Acts of Vengeance event, where Bryne has Magneto take advantage of the Scarlet Witch's mental breakdown. There seemed to be A LOT of back-and-forth between Claremont and Bryne where the latter wanted EVIL Magneto, and the former anti-hero. Then you had other writers caught in the middle.
Claremont goes into this "brain damage" in his New Excalibur run as well when he walks back on the Grant Morrison Magneto stuff, saying it wasn't the real Magneto. But it's hinted that Magneto realizes the frequent use of his powers and since Genosha had fallen he's tried to temper his fury and mind. It's him giving an out to explain (which never happens) when Bendis uses Magneto in "Avengers Disassembled" and later "House of M".
That seems to be the pattern, where a comic writer does something bad with Magneto, and Claremont will try to undo, explain it away, or just ignore it (aka anything written by Bryne).
This isn't just with Magneto either. I remember the Dr. Doom appearance in Uncanny X-Men and then in an issue of Bryne's Fantastic Four, Bryne being so petty explains the Doom in the X-Men issue was a faulty Doombot.
Bryce n Claremont had a lot of back n forth in the x books
From what I've read online in wikis, there was an explination that the technology Magneto used to create Alpha was of Deviant origin not alien. Alpha also had a few apprences in the Stranger's zoo during Quasar's run in the 90's. Ah the Stranger... Magneto had problems running afoul of godlike beings back in the silver age, didn't he?
If i remember correctly, the next time the X-Men saw magneto after he was re-aged he trapped them all in chairs that made them have the muscle control of a 2 year old. It was weird
X-Men 104 was where Magneto was re aged and 1st fought New X-Men. The story you’re referring to was his next appearance after 104.
@@jonguyxx4531 that's what I meant, I think I just worded it weird lol
I find it funny that one of first major historical details in Magneto's life, doesn't happen in a X-Men title, but a comic title most think as a street level team.
The comic Defenders are many things but street level ain't it.
@@miguelvelez7221 Most recent fans know the street level version, than the 70's one.
It couldn't happen in the X-Men title, since the X-Men title was reprint-only at the time.
@@GenerationWest I think there's a very clear and delineated division between the Netflix show and the comics in the mind of fans of the comics, which is what was what the video and your comment referred to.
For the Blob's alliteration they should've said "The Blobby Blob!"
I had totally forgotten about "baby Magneto" but hated how they undo all the progress he had made by claiming it was because Moira and Professor brainwashed him. I'd have preferred that Magneto had changed on his own.
It's also hilarious how morally outraged he's being about the possibility of them altering his mind... Dude you did how many mind control plots in the 60's?
Silly magneto everyone knows Monet is the ultimate mutant lol
Didn't he say in Resurrection of Magneto that he was being sorta-kinda ironic by calling themselves evil mutants? As in, you call us evil, so I'm throwing it in your face? And you know, that works with all of his characterization since the 60s.
I never knew how much I needed to hear you do Moira's voice until now. I laughed so hard I had to pause the video. Thank you
I’d love to see the faces Sir Ian McKellen and Michael Fassbender if/when they find out Magneto literally was turned into a baby at one point
that was magical, & i am entertained. U have great taste 🙌
Great episode!
When characters last for decades, from one social norm to the next, some odd things happen. Just looking at the art in the 70s, 80s, and 90s there was jarring, especially when back-to-back like that. And when stories that were neat a decade or two ago try to passed off 20 years later, the transition reflects the stark differences in our society. Art is usually a function of its time, and this is very true in comics.
Baby Emma looks like she’s wearing a wig xD
I don't think that's Emma.
Correct, Gabe. It's not Emma. It's Lorelei of the "Savage Land Mutates," from the Roy Thomas/Neal Adams run of the X-Men, shortly before the X-Men were cancelled.
That’s Lorelei, Emma wasn’t even introduced until 5 years later.
Huh..we need each of Pete's loves intrests to assign him a different big cat for a pet name.
MJ: "Go get em, tiger!"
Black Cat: "Thanks for grouping him with me instead of being jealous about it."
I loved the original story because it was one of the few stories which featured X-Men characters in the time betwen the original book's cancelation, and the release of Giant Size X-Men, which basically revitalized the fracnhise. It's even more amazing because this was written by Len Wein, who wrote GSXM and co-created Wolverine, before he did either of those.
They really went all in on trying to make this baby thing work
Well this was a gimmick to keep Magneto a holocaust survivor while still at peak age to match the X-men roster at any given time. While you can't change when the holocaust happened, you can put the baby and restoration event on the sliding time scale. It's like the case with Captain America, while you can't change his WWII origin, you can put his thawing out of the ice in modern times on a sliding scale.
I love how before Magneto was given depth and a tragic backstory he was basically the same character as Brain from Pinky & The Brain
Magneto become a ickle fridge magnet
This is the funniest comment I've seen, thanks for making me laugh
In the Savage Lands episodes of Reunion 4:14 Mr. Sinister had taken over Magneto’s citadel where the Mutates were made…
This is where Jean was cloned and given to Charles and Eric before the XMen arrived powerless in the Savage Lands.
If you watch Jean with Scott in the cage you'll see when Madelyn leaves the cage
I'm glad you gave Moira her Scots accent, which was missing from prior videos with Morrison & Millar quotes.
I grok the new outro music.
Waiting for that Jean Grey retrospective from you, queen😭😭😭 it'd be a good idea considering her solo is out July!
I’m all about Valkyrie’s hairstyle.
My youngest is obsessed with my childhood Superman Choose Your Own Adventure book (pre-Crisis--or technically, during Crisis). One of the "good" endings is Lex being de-aged into a baby and left to start his life anew in the Smallville orphanage.
The voices are so perfect 👍🏿
Magneto held this grudge for awhile. In the second encounter with X-men after being restored, X-Men #112 by Claremont and Byrne, he captures them and puts them under the care of a robot nanny babysitter to humiliate the X-Men.
That being said I still take Magneto's most humiliating defeat for me was his first meeting with Thor in Journey Into Mystery #109 by Lee and Kirby. Because Thor handled Magneto's ass to him in such an epic way he leaves running hoping the X-Men can save his ass. It is the funniest Magneto story I ever read.
I love the overly dramatic dialogue that villains like Magneto and Doctor Doom had during the '60's and early '70's= it greatly informed my own use of words such as 'dolt' and 'cretin' IRL. What a time for comics- also, Baby Magneto raised by my mom would have been an entirely different person when he grew up 😃
Insane coincidence that I was just reading the Magneto baby story because I was reading the Dark Phoenix saga and one big part of that is him returning to adulthood. Then I come to CZcams and see this video.
“Magneto lives!”
*awkward baby BM face*
“Magneto has made boom-boom!”
~_~
Well that made me remember the joke from when Silvermane gets aged back to being an old man after being a baby in Spider-Man the Animated Series.
For your kids. storytime must be amazing!
The way you read the exposition boxes, and do the voices. Yeah, that was totally MJ doing the Defenders intro, Stan Lee must have been out that day. "The One Above All" must have wanted a day off. 😄
I guess Magneto’s white hair was a result of his mutation, not his age. 🤣
I was just reading Classic X-Men #12 from 1987, and in one of the pages from the new segment inserted mid the original issue of Uncanny, Magneto suggests Xavier, after supposedly trying to incluence him telepathicaly in their youth, would try the same again in Muir Island, where he was a baby prisoner.
Maybe it is an early history of the idea of this retcon by Claremont, I don't know.
Magneto being altered as a child was a big deal back then but nowadays most Marvel heroes have been retconned to have been tinkered with as babies: Carol Danvers, Tony Stark, and Bruce Banner. The _Fall of X_ series stated that Dr. Stasis messed with Moira MacTaggart, Peter Parker, and Steve Rogers before they were heroes.
that shirt is so cool!
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Would you be able to pick up Baby Blob?
Does he still have his powers? Or would he have to wait for them to kick in again?
Babies! Awwww.
Evil babies! Nooooo!
Evil mutant babies! Neat!
This one is pretty hard to connect back to Danny Ketch, but I missed a few videos so I must get back to it.
DANNY KETCH RETROSPECTIVE!
De-age to a baby to escape your crimes. They did that in a Doctor Who episode.
Magneto would never have been casually de-aged in the X-men comic. They care about him too much. Only the writer of some other book would casually treat him this way.
Also, clearly de-aging him did NOT bring him back to a state of grace. He was still full of anger. He didn't lose any of his traumatising memories. That argument at his trial is thus totally spurious.
Nice shirt!
I think a lot more could have been done with this. I like the idea of Professor X raising Magneto. You could do a nature versus nurture plot line. I mean imagine Magneto joining The New Mutant's eventually as an adolescent. The entire time is a dark secret and some people fear the Old Magneto will return. Is that a self-fulfilling prophecy?
Yeah, I think there was tons more they could do with it.
I see Magneto getting his characterization nuked didn't start with New X-Men. "We love him so let's reform him, it's interesting drama!"
"No, he must be a nazi!"
Yeah. Morrison just skipped over a lot of Magneto's history. I mean it is in character with his original take, because wow, pre baby Magneto really was a mad old terrorist twat. Seriously, if Wanda or Pietro were to post online "I found out my former abuser, who forced me into a life of crime, threatened to kill me, made me dance for him, tried to whore me out and more is my biological father. Now everyone is saying he's changed and is cool, and I should let him be around my kids. Am I the Asshole for saying no?"
It's just that sympathetic Magneto was so well written, you forget he once left the Brotherhood to die and was going to set off a neutron bomb in NYC Habor after being abelist because he couldn't beat Thor and stuff like that.
I liked how Cullen Bunn's "Magneto" tried to reconcile this by showing Magneto struggling between being blindly fuelled by rage and vengeance, and actually caring about justice for the wellbeing of mutants and even other oppressed peoples. In a way, it allowed future writers to go back and forth with developing and nuking his characterization
I like to know how did baby Magneto was able to hold his head up with that “Key hole” helmet on? If you remember “Key hole” is what The Thing use to call him when they fought.
New closing music!
I loved that defenders issue i have to admit; but Defenders in the 70s was often pretty fun if goofy
This storyline is also really useful to explain how Magneto can still look young ish despite having lived through WW2
I guess all the de-aging could explain how he's a Holocaust survivor but not as old as a Holocaust survivor would be in modern times.
It’s very ‘90’s to a) have a nostalgic impulse, b) update it by making it dark, c) do it with bravado, d) get most of the facts wrong. It’s still going on, only that impulse is now for the ‘90’s, which makes me feel old.
I wonder if this is going to become more relevant as time goes on. Magneto was a baby. They mention it was only for months here, but as time goes on, that might be retconned. How old was he aged up to? Who knows? (And then there's the Krakoa era where everyone was dying and coming back)
The upshot is, he can continue to be a concentration camp survivor for the foreseeable future now. You can probably leave these events fuzzy and just let that keep being his origin, which is a good origin for Magneto
The live action movies and the animated series need to touch on this because both Professor X and Magneto are very, very old in real years but still look like young men by their appearances. It would explain a lot to the audiences as to why they have been alive for so long, and why they still look so young.
Exercising and plastic surgery
@@affegpus4195 For people who are 50 to 75 yes. But for people over 100 years old, no. This is not possible in real life.
Mutant babies! They make you're dreams come true!
The X-Men were in kind of a weird place when that DEFENDERS storyline happened. Their own book had been cancelled, but the characters kept popping up as guest-stars in other series. I don't know if it was a deliberate effort to try and spark interest in a revival, or just a case of a bunch of different writers being fond of them, but they were all over the place in the early '70s. And no one writer was really "in charge" of them, so you got all these odd, random developments like the Beast turning blue and furry, Angel and Iceman being shipped off to the Champions, and yes, Magneto becoming a baby. No wonder that, when the X-MEN book finally was revived, they elected to more-or-less wipe the slate clean and start with a new cast.
We all know Nathan Summers is that Sigma mutant. I'm not trying to talk him up either, just look at that jawline.
8:12 - Alpha needed to evolve to the point he could weigh souls to realize the self proclaimed Brotherhood of EVIL Mutant were the Evils ones. Ultimate mutant.. 😂
He was just showing off. "Okay, let's see, I want to be dramatic, and I seem to just be able to do whatever... Oh, I know I'll weigh their souls! That'll be cool!"
I used to think DC's many Crises just made things more convoluted than they had been before, but...
... Magneto's history and that Moira graphic have convinced me that Marvel just needs to reboot its continuity so modern writers can make new stories without having to twist readers' minds into pretzels.
Marvel made a reset with the Ultimate universe just two decades ago … it went down in flames due to how convoluted it got. Not a sure sign that handing absolute freedom keeps things in line.
Btw. Marvel did reboot the complete multiverse not that long ago (the outcome of Hickman’s Secret Wars), technically we are now in the same situation as New 52, where nothing of the past is actually confirmed to still be canon unless a story directly confirms it.
The story of baby Magneto does have a certain... attraction. I'm glad it stuck.
Though the arguement he effectively got the death penalty runs into an issue with him still remembering everything.
Magneto as a baby is so funny in my opinion.
Not only was it something he did for a while but it crossed continuities. For those too young to know, there was a Spiderman newspaper comic that ran parallel to the books for a while (in the 90s at least) but acted as it's own seperate reality. It's hard to explain but it kind of felt like they plopped things down simialr to where it was in the comics but I remember him facing the Hulk and Magneto with him treating it like it was their first confrontations! He was Spiderman for a while and married to Mary Jane (or got married and was) but hadn't had all the adventures of his conterpart. Felt kind of like star wars legends continuity coming into the main series..in one storyline Magneto kidnaps the walcrawler with a plot very simailr to the x men movie. He had a machine he planned to used to turn everyone into mutants but instead of the battery, Spidey was the Xerox template. I guess the newspaper reality didn't define the mutate vs Mutant thing quite yet because plaessentially wanted to project Spideys mutations onto every living being to make them all mutants of a sort. Giving everyone the powers of spiderman but not nessisarily the responsibilty is a bad thing so luckuily he was stopped. It's also very philosophically inspiring to debate because of parallels to invisible disabilities in the real world. Also..logic..no mutants are Spiderman (it infered the machine obly affected normal people and would kill spidey in the process but leave all mutates/mutants unchanged) and all humans would be now. It's not physically noticeable and there would be no X gene so what would change between the divide? Mutants would still be as separated as they were before but humans would just have a new a new base of physical capability.
The Defenders were great in that era. Defender for a Day is worth a look, if you haven't yet :D
Man, now I want to see baby apocalypse fight with baby darkseid
Yes, they became babys too
5:53 Obviously, one of Alpha's mutant powers is being in two places at the same time!
I think this works out well for keeping Magneto around without growing old anytime soon. All marvel needs to say is Erik the Red restoring Mags to his prime had an unintended beneficial side effect. Magneto now ages much more slowly than he did before and will be around for a few more centuries. All this because of one otherwise forgettable Defenfers issue.
They've just covered that base recently by having him die and come back again in a fancy younger body.
Although previews for the new relaunch show him looking very haggard for some reason, so maybe he'll need a baby reset again.
Sounds like Julius Schwartz slipped a plotline to Chris Claremont and all hell broke loose!😂
I admire how much work you put into these. I used to think I was knowledgeable about obscure comics but you have put me to shame.
17:19 I would say it's more than implied. In the the logs Moira wrote (presented in HoX/PoX) explicitly says the she laments realizing that she's as bad and guilty as Magneto and Charles for believing she could use and manipulate people to do whatever she wanted. Up until that point, she believed she had a moral high ground respect the other two. I would say Hickman's retcon sets "Firestorm" as the beginning of Moira's heel turn, since up until that point, she didn't really cross any line besides siding with Apocalypse out of desperation (and by doing so, she learned En Sabah Nur could be a great leader if she waited until he abandoned his ideas about social Darwinism and causing extinctions).
I love this storyline and was wondering . . . did Alpha EVER return?
He was actually accidentally discovered by chance to be imprisoned by the near-omnipotent cosmic being called the Stranger in one of his many laboratories where he performs various scientific experiments on different alien races. Alpha, as powerful and as strong as he is, was just not as extremely dangerous and deadly as the god-like Stranger is.
Alpha super-evolved into a superhuman mutant being who possesses the superhuman power to alter reality, but only to a certain, limited extent. The Stranger also has a similar power to manipulate reality, only many, many times greater than that of Alpha, the Ultimate Mutant.
@@incubustimelord5947 Wow, thanks, incubustimelord. I think it's time for Alpha to return.
@@DocCivil Hey man, no problem. And yes, Alpha should come back. His connection to the Deviants because he was made with advanced ancient Deviant technology gives him more than enough reasons for him to get a cool story. Lol! It would be cool if Alpha, the Ultimate Mutant had met the alien called Omega, the Unknown. Then they could team up as Alpha & Omega, lol! 😂
@@incubustimelord5947 that’s the best thing I’ve heard all day
So much unexplored.
Maybe his wild choices during that exact time moving forward weren't from his genetics, or his childhood in the holocaust but from being stuck in the Earth's core and then his time in the alien library learning a whole new language AND their science, history, etc.* Alone for who knows how long? Would unbalance most to some degree. Followed by the indignity of being a baby.
You could even do a twist where the alien knowledge unhinged him.
Just saying, lots to work with here storywise.
*did anyone go back to that library? Thats usually where you find information about what destroyed them, and how Earth is in danger of reliving their downfall. Has anyone ever heard from Alpha again after he vanished 'like a star'? Also, how did Alpha stack up against Adam Warlock? Or did he evolve off our plane of existence like in the movie Lucy?
Magneto has so many reasons to be a nut case … like that time the Stranger kidnapped him and brought him to his zoo planet.
I wish the movies had stuck with magneto having white hair since birth. I mean quicksilver inherited it from him so I would have expected it to catch on more.
This reminds me of the time Ultron turned Tony Stark into a woman and it was treated really seriously.
That female version of Ultron created from Tony Stark's DNA and the Extremis virus mixed with Ultron's advanced A.I. and nanotechnology, but with the Wasp's appearance and made to look like liquid metal and flesh fused and merged together was actually a very cool super-villain. That version of Ultron was so powerful and strong, that it was extremely dangerous and deadly enough to take on several members of the Avengers super hero team simultaneously.
It was also equally matched if not superior to the Sentry. That techno-organic, living circutry shape changing entity was unique and it should return. You say that people shouldn't take that character seriously. I say if that isn't a serious super-villain who was a great menace, then I don't know what is.
I was going to be de-aged to a baby, then I took an arrow in the knee.
I think it's a good way to keep magneto (the Holocaust survivor) in his prime. Of course Charles Xavier (his peer and contemporary) was not turned into a baby. Maybe that horrifying plot point where Charles stole the body and life of his own clone can serve a similar purpose. PS maybe you could do a video on that. I don't think the comics ever wrestled with the horror of it, but as a Bujold fan I cannot be okay with how Charles treated his clone.
Xavier has been in a clone body since Uncanny X-Men #167, after having metamorphosed horrifically into a Brood Queen.