The Bitter Ransom and Murder of Robert Wiles
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- čas přidán 21. 07. 2022
- Robert Wiles was a successful young man working for the family business in Florida. When one strange day his father received an email telling that Robert had been kidnapped and a ransom was demanded for his return, this set of probably one of the strangest series of events I've covered.
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I was expecting this to be a "He kidnapped himself!" type of video... but the moment Mike didn't make any jokes at Robert's expense - I knew I was going to be sad.
I'm impressed, good observation. I hadn't noticed that initially.
It had that feel with the whole kidnap insurance scenario.
2:55
I also thought it was weird. It didn't felt exactly like the typical "quirky" story.
Me too- same here. I already knew based on lack of jokes
*I love it that when Mike uses a voice distortion device he still sounds like himself.* 😂
can't distort that supple irish resonance
I love it too! He tries to sound so sinister but it sounds adorable!🤣🤣🤣
same! There's just no hiding his amazing accent
😂
Same thought whenever he does it!
I am 57 years old and live in Denmark, Europe. My son introduse me for That Chapter, and I have now been watching 42 chapter in 3 days, and I just love it. I really apriciate all the effort, you put into each case Mike.!!! So keep on going, you are GREAT.!!! Love to all of you, and stay safe, from Denmark ❤️❤️🇩🇰
Soon you will have to wait for Tuesdays and Fridays like the rest of us! 😀🇮🇪
@@kimmoran4437 I already do that 😊 Just so many chocking cases, in Denmark we don’t have many murder cases a year (50), and no serial killers at all 👍🏼
@@dorisflindt2907
Similar to Ireland! 🇮🇪
@@dorisflindt2907 actually there are 2 active serial killers in denmark at this moment lol but you are right its nothing like here in My great USA haha lots of murderers like mike shows on this channel but we have even more killer killers , like gun violence in every major city is very rampants between rival black gangs , mexican or south american gangs too its just not talked about as much but the blacks here in chicago will simetimes have 50 to 70 people shot in 1 weekend.. a 3 day period in just 1 city .. Animals...
@@kimmoran4437 only once a week now but I wish he would pick a day like Fri
This is just super sad because this man knows exactly what happened but refuses to admit to anything he’s done. Cases like this aggravates me because the victims family doesn’t receive any closure which is beyond sad.
That's because he is either a narcissist or a sociopath, he gets off on "withholding" power, it's retention and passive-aggressiveness for the sake of being like that, because in their mind any concession is a loss as they can't lose if they withhold satisfaction or closure from others.
He's a narcissist that thinks more of himself than anyone else does and would never publicly admit any quality that reflects badly on his image.
Sadly, I don't think they will find him for any closure. This guy doesn't seem like he is going to change his story and help them anytime soon.
@@TheGrmany69 It's more like; if he admit, he will lose any chance of being free ever again.
So that's why.
Yes this Defendant is a pathological liar. Florida juries are a joke sometimes. It’s like they’ve become so desensitized to seemingly random crimes that they don’t think about the fact that the victim was a real human being in the given situation & that there’s no other person who could have committed the crime. This defendant needs to serve everyday of his 30 years. If you’ve ever seen the Casey Anthony jury you know what I mean about Florida juries. Just no basis sometimes.
The fact that the "trusted employee" that did the "drop" for the FBI was the actual suspect... 🤦♀️
I'm guessing that he didn't want the coffee
@@roserollins9800 😆😆
@@roserollins9800 ikr. I would have been all over that coffee for sure.
@@jimmyzhao2673 In today's economy it certainly would be worth while
makes me wonder if they actually already suspected him and were putting the pressure on. seems odd to involve a nonfamily third party and endanger someone like that.
Ugh, that smirk on his face when he was on the stand. What an awful thing for the Wiles family.
Sociopathic, he fills the profile.
It guts me, to the core, to know his remains haven’t been recovered, for his family. This would absolutely kill me!!!!!!
I’m literally falling asleep over these videos. Like the best lullaby ever. I may have a problem, cause crime stories are soothing for me… but I don’t care.
Same.
Any That Chapter, or any Monsters, or Dreading will help me sleep. Also, Stephanie Lazarus, Sarah Boone, or Nancy Brophy will do the trick.
Why are we like this?
@@Myharoth Lazarus😂
The narrator for New Detectives is like a major melatonin for my brain. Adrian from Coffeehouse Crime has the same effect. I put on playlists and sack out
While declaring his innocence, Toby claims that he had nothing against Robert. That's obviously a lie, because you don't compile a list of grievances about someone without reason. He's not even a very good liar.
I thought the same thing! I also thought in the emails where he pretended things were getting better, okay, here's where he started getting the idea and he's trying to cover his tracks...
Good point
@@janethalken8269 Exactly what I was gonna say. He knew the grievance emails would immediately make him a suspect
AbSoLutElY
People do. When power is involved, it's nothing personal.
Got someone doing this to me and I'm merely VOLUNTEERING my time
gotta confess - I thought this was a self-kidnapping at first (son just trying to get money from dad/company/insurance) - kidnap message seemed sooooo fake. thanks Mike, we love ya too - much love from Aotearoa/New Zealand ❣😘
uh oh... I'm still midway and I still think it's a fakeout... Now I really can't wait to get to the end!
Yep, that was where I thought it was headed. I hate it when my Spidey sense betrays me!
Jesus Christ is the truth reach out, nothing but respect
Me too. I thought it would be a case of son trying to extort his parents. Thanks Mike, my world stops as soon as I see you have loaded a new video. Hi from Aotearoa/NZ too.
@@ElegyVio google translate has let you down, my friend.
It's always sad to hear about innocent people dying but it adds to the sadness when the body is never found.
This story always deeply disturbed me. Robert was so handsome , full of life and didn’t deserve what happened. Toby hated him for that. He was everything he couldn’t be.
What has his looks got to do with it? Would it be any less sad if the victim was ugly?????
@@RainbowPyramid not at all. It’s an explanation of why I believe Toby targeted Robert. It’s sad when anyone is victimized obvi- I think Toby was extremely jealous of Robert , his position as the son of the owner and basically his entire life.
7 thousand people just dropped everything to watch you, u the man mike.
Way more!! 👏👏👏
Another reason I love Fridays!! Oh, I hate to add this, but there is a really horrible new sad case just posted on "this is monsters". It's about the saddest story I've ever heard. But I'm glad I know about it now.
Thank you for another great story, Mikey, you are really gifted. Til Tuesday!
There’s our man, right on time. We love you Mike! Let’s give it a goo!
Like clockwork! ☺️🇮🇪
hey yOUOUooouuuu
Lets give it a GEUW!!!
spot on 😉💚🍀 PT
Easy as one, two, tree...
Poor Robert. His happy face on photos broke my heart. Toby absolutely did it. Monster!!
Poor kid. He had his whole world ahead of him, disgusting how such crimes will most likely never be solved in full
The fact that when he was asked, "you're telling me you're an innocent man, wrongly accused of this crime", he says "there's no conclusive proof of anything" is a bit unsettling and weird. I'm just thinking how I would respond if I had NOTHING to do with the disappearance of another human being...I wouldn't be saying "there's no CONCLUSIVE evidence", I'd be enraged that I was in prison. I'd be cursing and raging. I'd be saying there's no evidence because no evidence exists because I never was involved in anything remotely related to it.
Thats why thats you and he is him, people react differently to different things, im sure this dude is innocent
@@BG1435q you're sure this dude is innocent despite him having the victim's phone with him in several different places and times? lol ok.
I’m
His demeanor in a prison interview years after conviction is tainted from a behavioral analysis perspective. By the point, all innocence, rage and frustration would have been beaten out of him by the oppressive reality of institutionalization.
But yeah, he obviously did it.
Yup, that's what liars say, "prove it" or "you can't prove anything." 😒
My theory:
Toby HATED Robert, he wanted his position within the company so he would be the right hand man & call most of the shots. He was always trying to get Robert fired or in trouble. However, he knew that would never happen because he is the owner’s son. So when Toby found out about the kidnapping insurance, either from Robert’s joke or snooping around, he thought that this was his chance. He could kill Robert, take his place & make a lot of money to boot. Remember, the kidnapper asked for the exact amount of the policy payout. The reason the kidnapper never came for the $ is because Toby knew that the police were involved. This wasn’t a heat of the moment, snapped like manslaughter. It was 100% premeditated murder. He would’ve gotten away with it to if it hadn’t been for those pesky surveillance cameras.
Agreed. But how the hell did he get away with no blood and no body? That’s the real question.
Yes, that's pretty much what The FBI Files episode on this case alluded to. I already watched it on yt lol. Funny how it totally seemed like the 90s in the episode! Idk how they do it, but they do.
And how the hell did that full of himself dough boy get so many girls on top of one to take his name?
Dude is a cold, calculating, murdering psychopath
@@carasomebody6477 that's easy. $$$$
*My biggest questions would be: Why spend the night at a local hotel and what did you do with the duct tape (2 rolls!!!!!) and plastic sheeting you purchased coincidently the night he went missing?* I mean come on...he's sooooo guilty! He just happens to be in the area the call was made from at the time it was made, he just happens to work for and be one of the last people to be with Robert when he went missing, etc.? I don't believe in that many coincidences! *My guess is Greed.* He knew that the owner received $750,000 and believed he deserved that money! He's a narcissist! People kill for money every single day!
Exactly my point as well!! I seriously don't believe in coincidences at all....did you see that he wheeled out a suitcase but then returned at midnight with nothing??
Oddest thing ever done, so what did you do last night "oh ya know, stayed the night at a hotel, popped out for three hours to get plastic sheeting and 2 rolls of tape" 🤨...ok...
@@BELINDASPIRIT Wow! Good catch!
@@jonathanlloyd1003 OMG so funny...too true!
@@BELINDASPIRIT Yes! I noticed that, too. I kept waiting for the explanation but nothing. Not even a mention of it. I think the body was in that suitcase, tbh
They got the right guy. The kidnap was a murder cover up, aimed at implicating others linked to the business. The victim probably accidentally gave his killer the idea by joking about being kidnapped. There’s no way that ransom drop location was real. The smirking psycho just didn’t know enough about mobile phones to properly cover his tracks.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
@@DrJ-hx7wv Neither do you lol
i just lost my friend this week. it hurts so bad, but some of the only solace I've found has been through your channel. I've watched every video since you were first suggested to me. One of my favorite parts is the ending because you always say, "take care of yourselves, because I love you." I wait for the ending because i believe that you mean it. thank you M. It just feels good to hear. Love you too man.
I lost my fiance in 2012, I know it sucks. I hope you're doing ok. If you need someone to talk to, feel free.
I love that part too. In the older videos he would say it quickly and quietly. It would make me tear up.
That sucks man :(
So sorry for your loss.
@@jameswessling6982 thanks so much. I honestly would really like to talk to someone. Everyone at home is trying to hide their feelings to cope. I’m not trying to make it worse you know?
One aspect Mike should have emphasized more was that Toby was trying to frame the former disgruntled employee Steve Lindsay, who had been fired by Robert. But Toby could not logically explain how he was the last known person to be with Robert and how his phone was with Robert’s phone the last day Robert’s phone was active.
I agree with all that
....I'm stuck on the $750,000... It's very specific. Could he be involved in being hired or framed or an affair with that person - because of that?
The office is the biggest weird thing about it. You cover that perfectly.
yeah, im quite surprised he didnt mention that
Also that he lied that he went to hooters, steak house. And bought 2 duct tapes... 🤔
@@VenusmarieLeto he might wanted to get that exact sum of money to tie all loose ends. If he doesn't get the money, then the blame falls on the ex with her 750 000 $. He didn't account for the phone though.
@@belladonnahigh9206 it's a good point. Why he would know that total though, I guess depends on how small that business is and how much everyone talks too.
It is so infuriating that most murderers do not admit their crimes even after they've been convicted. It shows how the majority of murderers feel no remorse or guilt for their crimes and no empathy for their victims or their families. This is why so many criminals are incapable of being rehabilitated. Rest in peace, Robert. I hope one day your body is found so you can be laid to truly rest.
Amen.
If liars have no interest in being upfront about their deeds, what makes you think that a murderer would take this kind of initiative. Cut from the same cloth, with same energy.
Your not cut out for this world if that infuriates you lol
@@ookalar665 People unable to differentiate between your and you're is what infuriates me.
As long as they know that no body has been found they will continue to protest it was a mistake and the jury got it wrong because the evidence is just circumstantial. And that sows seeds of great doubt. Juries have got it wrong before......
I feel empathy for the families who've lost loved ones, but don't have closure, or the chance to bury them. The "not knowing" is worse than anything. Luv ya back Mike! Take care.
Toby murdered Robert. Because he was so trusted, he got all the inside information about the FBI being called. So, he abandoned his attempts to take the money.
I think the ransom thing may have been an attempt to have the fingers pointing at the dad seeing as the dad just happened to be out the exact same amount, to make it look like insurance fraud or something. Two birds with one stone kind of situation. Maybe he thought he would become the big boss of the company with both gone??
could be he killed him alright if i was roberts dad i would pay some inmates in his prison to kick the shit out of him until he confessed where he put his body the dirty bastard smiling all the time,
He did make it clear in the email what would happen if the authorities or anyone else was informed. He went through with the threat. That poor family left wondering where Robert’s body is.
@@joyousbloom731 No way he would have gone through with the ransom deal even if the FBI didnt get involved, because Robert would KNOW it was Toby..
@@littletechn8175 Yeah. He was always going to take poor Robert’s life.
Kidnapping/ransom insurance is pretty common in the airline industry (and suggested for travelers going to certain areas) due to potential hijacking and hostage situations. I used to have a family member who was an airline steward for a very small airline that flew in high-risk areas.
Same with some journalists and NGOs, it all depends on the locations they go to.
My friend's mom was on years ago and she was about to leave her hotel alone when police came to her room and told her they had just found a man in the parking garage with pictures of her on his phone. It was obvious they had been taken secretly and over multiple days. He had been hiding out in the parking garage taking pictures of her whenever she left and returned, which was usually around the same times. The police only found this out because the guy had a medical emergency while he was waiting for her to come out. They figured out pretty fast that he was part of a human trafficking ring. If the hotel staff hadn't been able to recognize her from the pictures she might never have even found out!
"Used to"? Oh dear. 😄
That's what I was thinking
@@Lindseyisloony Holy shit, talk about dodging a bullet there.. She really lucked out, it sounds like the start of any video on this channel.
As a mother, this story is heartbreaking. I couldn’t imagine what the family is going through
Murder and kidnapping are always heartbreaking and horrific, but in my opinion, as someone that has never experienced either, never finding the person (dead or alive) is even more tragic. The pain and suffering of never getting closure, never knowing what was done to them or why, never getting real answers, and everything else that comes with disappearance has got to be unbearable. I can't even imagine how heavy that feeling must be.
If Toby is going for that "dying to punch that smug grin off his face" kinda look... he succeeded.
I would bet money that he went around pretending to be the boss and the owner of the company, especially to the women he was cheating on his wife with.
Best comment. He's in the can where he belongs with the other psychopaths. Lose the key please!
@@PassTheMarmalade1957 I can't understand why any woman would want to go with him! 😟
The ongoing disappearance of anyone is sometimes more agonising than finding their body. The family will never rest, never be fully happy again and life changes for them in the most distressing way. Whoever did this should never be released. Or better still, say "you'll be released when you tell us where he is." Then don't release him (or her).
Watching true crime so much and also having OCD I do worry about something like this happening to my partner (who is a bit of a vulnerable person as he is severely physically disabled and is also pretty compliant due to PTSD while simultaneously sometimes engaging in questionable-safety situations bc of longterm-trauma-induced personality changes). I would have to quit my job to hunt around for him, and it would be a whole ordeal... Ugh. Scares the crap out of me. I always imagine having to give a press conference about it and deciding whether to be aggressive about it for the comfort of the victim potentially watching, or trying to not alarm the perp into killing him.
I think it's very unlikely as he seldomly leaves the house, but I still worry about it lol. And before someone tells me I shouldn't watch crime if I have that bad of OCD, if it weren't this it would be some other method of something happening to my family, so quitting crime wouldn't help (before this I was afraid of my other partner having a police encounter as he's schizophrenic and we live in the US where cops shoot mentally ill people right away).
Nah. My best friend died 20 years ago and I still don't know exactly how it happened. The family said one thing initially. His other friends who were present when he died said something entirely different. Years later, his dad was on a daytime talk show and said my friend died from something entirely different than the other two causes I knew about. So, I still have no clue what happened. But that doesn't change anything. He's still dead, whether i know exactly how, or not. And I'm fine with it. Knowing wouldn't change anything. I don't agonize. I just don't know.
I agree, there's no closure for the families when they can't even lay their loved one to rest. Maybe a pretrial agreement involving the removal of death penalty being pursued could be used as a bargaining chip for offenders who aren't giving up the location of their victim or victims's body (bodies). It's additional cruelty to the family withholding that information
@@Anonymous-54545 just a suggestion- don't have a child because than you will have two to worry and never sleep in peace. I understand your position because of OCD, the constant worry I have fir my husband (who is normal) when goes out for office, I keep thinking what if landslide happens when he is on road and constant worry for my childs life who has Autism is putting me underground
@@hitleractually8180 your anecdotal perspective is entirely different than this case. The relationship of a best friend of 20 years, while no doubt is a close and important relationship, is nowhere near the heartbreak of a parents relationship to their child. Also, your friends body was found and you have at least some idea of what happened. The man in this case is still 100% missing with zero answers whatsoever about his ultimate fate. Do you really think your situation is anywhere near this one? It's a completely different set of circumstances.
I think one of the most incriminating points in this video is Toby's discussion with the '48 Hours Mystery' correspondent. There's no frustration or anger in his denial of killing Robert, or being involved in his disappearance. He denies being involved with all the passion of answering a question like... "Did you eat the last piece of cake," (which it appears he did!) Anyone innocently held in prison for over a decade would use that 48 Hours appearance as an opportunity to show how serious and desperate he is to be heard in an effort to convince anyone with the ability to help him to reach out and offer their assistance. Instead, he almost casually repeats the word "absolutely" 4 times in 4 statements and sounds as blase' as someone reading the small print of a bad warranty. I don't have a clue what he did with/to Robert, but he's definitely the reason Robert is no longer with us.
That’s EXACTLY what stuck out to me. The overuse of “absolutely” then stating “there’s no evidence” and his duper delight smile the whole time.
@@annad9534 Exactly! I meant to mention his comment about there being "no evidence" also, but forgot, so I'm glad you brought that up. An innocent man doesn't give a rat's a$$ about evidence (or a lack thereof ), nor would he use it as part of his argument of being innocent. He wouldn't need to. It's a given that evidence can't exist if you didn't commit the crime. The only thing this guy is saying is that they can't "prove" he did it, which is a far cry from the anger, fear, and desperation you'd hear from a person who's been wrongly accused, especially of murder! And yes, the smile of duper's delight. It's so tragic. That kid had his whole life ahead of him, and he was going places for sure.
I watch a few of the criminal psychology channels. The guilty do this a lot lol they act calm cause they think it will make them look innocent, but reality is if someone accused you or something you didn't do that was this terrible, you'd be flipping out. Or sometimes it's prepared outrage which still looks much more calm.
I noticed to that when asked did you kill Robert? A co worker would say, I absolutely didn't kill Robert, but he is saying Roberts full name, THAT'S ODD FOR A CO WORKER TO SAY ABOUT SOMEONE HE'S WORKED WITH FOR YEARS, IMO, THAT A REAL COLD, DISTANCE ANSWER, SURE EVEN WHEN YOU YOURSELF WERE TALKING ABOUT ROBERT YOU JUST SAID ROBERT, THAT'S BECAUSE YOU HAVE EMPATHY AND YOU AREN'T TRYING TO AGAIN DISTANCE YOURSELF FROM THE VICTIM, ROBERT...
I'VE WATCHED THOUSANDS OF INTERROGATIONS AND ALTHOUGH WHAT I SAID CAN'T BE USED IN COURT, IT'S A VERY DISTINCT RED FLAG FOR THE FBI, WHICH BASICALLY MEANS THAT THE SMUG SOB DID IT AND IS SMILING AND LAUGHING AT EVERYONE, EVEN MENTIONING, NO BODY....I AM 100% CONFIDENT THAT HE DEFINITELY DID IT....
@@garyclarke2385 Todd likely used Robert's full name in his denial simply because the question was posed to him using Robert's full name, ie "Toby, did you murder Robert Wiles"?... "Absolutely not, I did not murder Robert Wiles". He's answering the question in the same format the question was posed to him, which is what most people tend to do. I think his nonchalant demeaner is what looks so out of place here.
This case frustrating. If the guy was innocent, it would be terrible, but if he isn't, and he's going to spend thirty years, he may as well soak up and give that family the body. Jesus, cases such as this, drive me nuts. Thanks for the video Mike.
I love how you can tell it is 100% Mike when he's reading the ransom note.
🤣
...Maybe because it's his video?
WHAT!? No way!? Who tf else would it be?
@@joshj1953 I know right? I’m guessing they are noobs, because he’s used the voice changer many times.
@@pyro7234 It's not just the accent. I find Mike has a particular way of "sing-song" talking and very unique rhythm in his speech.
I believe he did it and was testing the water with the ransom... that's why it was to be left in the office. He would know if the feds or police were involved because he worked right next door!
If the feds or police didn't seem to be involved he would have moved the "drop" location elsewhere and risked getting to the money!
Once he knew the feds were involved though, he abandoned the ransom idea and scraped it totally.
Now whether or not he killed him before he came up with the ransom idea or not, who knows?! :/
Michal Aleskandr: I think law enforcement screwed up royally in this case.
They should have never involved that office employee to begin with and they should've told the family to keep quiet about their involvement.
They may have actually caused Roberts death.
Good point
It's a good theory, I think the reason he was nervous, and helping the other employee get his truck loaded was because he might have already killed him. And then afterwards came up with the ransom part, knowing he would be the one picked to place the box in the office.
@@ebayerr No, he was already dead.
@@ebayerr pay more attention, it was part of the ransom demand, he knew he would probably be the one picked to do it, that way he'd know if the feds were involved. The young man was probably already dead before he even sent the ransom demand. He shouldn't have kept the phone, that's what got him convicted.
Can we take a moment to appreciate Mike. His humor is the low key sarcasm that really does it for me.
LOVE LOVE LOVE ME SOME MIKE!! So I put his PLAYLIST on LOOP for hours to make sure he is handsomely financially compensated for being one of my FAVOURITE CZcamsCHANNELS! THANK YOU MIKE FOR BEING YOU!! LOVE YOU!!
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The fact that keeps his mistakes in his videos when he’s reciting his script or outro is why I love his channel
Very sad. This Toby person, with his over-inflated ego, thought more of his own ego than Robert's life. Won't even tell that devastated family where his body is.
Mike, you are so good at sharing these stories. I watch you every night. I'm a widow and love the way you end them ❤️🙂
What a story! Well told and respectful all the way through. Thanks, as always, Mike! You truly have a gift.
Definitely not a body language expert here, but can't get over that "duper's delight" smile of Toby's. Why would you smirk while getting arrested, testifying and being asked if you murdered someone?!? He knows something and thinks he's clever. POS.... I hope they find out what happened to Robert, how truly awful for his family. Thanks Mike for great coverage as per usual!
He's a narcissistic a******. Thinking he is smarter than everyone.
Yeah, the dupers delight is creepy af. 😬
Agree in this case, but the body language stuff is so unreliable. Some people smile in response to stress or nervousness, and a couple years ago there was a TV interview with the husband of a missing woman/baby in the US, and the husband came across terribly (irritable, then inappropriately joking, seeming flat and unconcerned, then storming out). The comments and even complete YT videos were full of how guilty he must be was based on this interview, then the wife’s body and missing baby were found at the wife’s friend, with overwhelming evidence the friend killed her for the baby.
Also him saying I absolutely did not absolutely kill him. Absolutely not and the saying there’s no evidence. That struck a cord
Yep, that smirk was so annoying. Guilty for sure, he seemed to think it was a real coo that he was fooling everybody and could say he wasn't guilty. The way he messed up his words to the journalist's questions made me pretty sure it was a preplanned assasination like mirder. And who treats their manager like that? His plotting seemed so arrogant an wierd all along.
When Toby said:" I didn't have his phone in my car, or Robert" That really sounded to me he had them both in the car at the time he was filmed driving. Because they were only talking about Robert's phone, not about Robert.
Maybe he never had him in his car, someone else did why there is no DNA. No one would ever admit to helping Toby.
Exactly! I found that part chilling. Nobody asked if you had Robert jn the car.. why would you say that Toby?
Reporter: "Did you murder Robert?"
Toby: "Absolutely....not." (weird yes no response)
Reporter: "Did you have anything to do with the kidnap plot?"
Toby: "Absolutely..... not." (Again, weird the first word is a direct affirmation)
Toby: "The honest truth is that there is no conclusive proof of anything." (Not denying evidence or guilt, but more concerned with 'proof')
Loser can't even just say NO because he's a liar. Liars use excess words to walk around truths, as well as being as indirect as possible. It's clear he was responsible for harming Robert, but the evidence leaves a lot of questions unanswered.
Liars are irritating, especially the ones who, when confronted with their BS, lash out at the person confronting them.
Getting angry with them as though it's _their_ fault somehow!
True. His denial is so unreliable. He can't say, "no I didn't". He has to try and get around it by saying "absolutely...not" and "I did not" (non contraction, probably not his baseline speech). Not to mention his shady body language and dupers delight while he's saying all this.
He nodded “yes” while he answered, which makes me think he was at least in on a plot for the murder. He definitely had something to do with it and it’s so aggravating to watch.
He said "absolutely" way too much
Yes, I caught that honest truth comment as well.
This is heart breaking ... I hope they find Robert. RIP sweet soul.
Wow, poor Robert, seemed like he had a great life. And lost it all to some bitter, jealous, psycho coworker. What a total loser Toby is. Robert was everything he wanted to be, had all he wanted to have, and he couldn’t stand it. He probably thought if he killed Robert, he could become the heir. So sad. RIP Robert, you didn’t deserve what happened to you.
Please never serve on a jury
@@DrJ-hx7wv His analysis is spot on. You seem like the Toby type
mmm mom mom mmm
Exactly, he did everything he could go turn people against Robert, he lied about where he was, bought duct tape and plastic sheeting! If that doesn't say guilty as hell I don't know what does!!!
This sad case leaves open more question than answers. There are too many "coincidences" not to think the employee was not guilty. The hate towards Robert, the place where to put the ransom, the amount of the ransom itself (probably to frame Robert's dad), the place where the call from Robert's phone was made, and the different versions on his whereabout. I doubt poor Robert is still alive and it's terrible that his family can't even know where his body is.
also he was pretty lax when being asked to confirm that he was falsely convicted of murder by that reporter. would you not be in absolute hysterics if that were the truth and not basically being like ‘nah, im chillin’
@@mckennawalters13 Exactly.
@@mckennawalters13 Right?! They'd have to drag me kicking and screaming away if I was truly innocent!
I know Robert isn’t alive. Toby’s microexpressions in the interview are very telling:
Interviewer: Did you murder Robert?
Toby: Absolutely not. [can’t help but nod ‘yes’]
Interviewer: You’re telling me you’re an innocent man-wrongly accused of this crime?
Toby: That’s absolutely true. [makes an ambiguous nod between ‘yes’ and ‘no’]
@@evasilvertant …and, he doesn’t keep insisting on his innocence towards the end, he states that there is no evidence/proof that he killed him. That’s like saying, “I didn’t do it, but if I did…” Makes him sound MORE guilty!
So many episodes later and I'm still in love with TC. I always crack up at the life insurance policy dance🌈Thanks mike for making this channel and all the effort and work you put into TC. As always take care, we'll see YOU on the next one. Love ya Mike!
He's unlikely to say where the body is as long as he continues to claim he didn't do it. I think he prefers to believe he is giving doubt to his reason for being incarcerated than coming out and being fully blamed for murder. I mean he wants to hold on to a doubt that makes him look or feel better about himself in the eyes of others than be honest, reveal where Robert is and then be seen as a full on outright murderer who is in the right place.
Mike I just need you to know.... I've been a watcher of yours for years... lately I've been going through a very lonely dark time. Lots of loss in my life this year. The last few weeks I've not even found the motivation to get out of bed unless it's got work. Nothing brings me joy. Save your videos and a few other creators.
Thanks for keeping me company
That's a lot to deal with in a short time. Grief is hard. There are free grief therapy groups with others that are going through it.
You sound depressed, which is not surprising when coping with loss. Grief is exhausting. You may need more nurturing and comforting while you heal.
It is ok to rest more, and you may need more nurturing and comfort. Remember to take care of you anyway, with water, food, comforting, nurturing. Say what you need to, to others, yourself, and your loved ones.
Grief sux, and it comes in layers. You may need comfort from an animal, friends, finding enjoyment again. Your loved ones would want you to be ok and eventually thrive again.
I am sorry for your losses. It is normal to struggle while grieving, but I hope you can find some ways to reach out, let it out, heal, and live again. It can be helpful to find something that comforts you or brings you joy.
I believe your loved ones are your angels now, and want you to be ok and thrive again.
I wish you relief, peace, and healing. I hope you feel better soon.
Sorry you're going through this, I hope you feel better soon. Good luck to you ✌️
Heather, just remember- there will always be music!
Hope you're doin ok.
I hope things are better now x x Mike is always here for us😌
I used to laugh at people who would say they are excited the days a CZcamsr they liked put out their content my thought was I'll watch it whenever.Well I can't lie on Tuesdays and Fridays after noon I start checking for That Chapter to be released. I get it now HAHA
Love how Mike captured the ambiance of HOOTERS so perfectly 🤣.
As for Toby, had he been following the law requiring a hands free device to talk on the phone while driving he wouldn't have been caught so easily.
I spit out my coffee when the evil kidnappers demanded “seven hundred and fifty Tousand” dollars. This guy is adorable.
This isn't a reflection of your worth, just a reflection of my circumstances. However, your show has really given me something other than less than great circumstances to focus on, so I really appreciate it.
Edit- I thought this was a private message sent when I gave a super like, or whatever is $2.
That's really nice!!! 🙂
nice way of phrasing it :)
I'm pretty sure Mike is close to being a millionaire by now. no need to feel badly
Why did you and Max's dad break up?
@@magnusred2945 No, definitely not.
Kidnap insurance is generally just a perk thrown onto normal life insurance. Similar to clauses like paying out double if death occurs at work.
Yeah, I've seen it as a "line item" on my employer's group insurance policy.
I've worked for a couple places that also have it because the work involves international travel, and foreigners get kidnapped lots in certain areas.
Yeah, to me it can be a great incentive for bad actors who know about it, like wives. "Let's kill him at work and double our money!" There's several cases like that.
@@jenx4115 Sure, but literally every insurance policy would do that. It wouldn't matter if there is an additional 'kidnap clause.' Why would someone do more and harder work to kidnap someone, when just killing them likely gets you more money?
@@superhotnutjob In the late 90's through the 00's we were given armed transport in Mexico. And I'm not talking about the tourist type places.
Brilliant as always, never heard of this case at all. Love the little Gaeilge sayings you always add to your videos! If anyone is wondering when Mike says "Sin é" at the end of his videos, it means "That's it" 😊
Toby unfortunately has a permanent smirk which is annoying when a family wants answers
His phone was where he was, yeah he did it, and the other guy is dead. And 30yrs is a slap to face to the family.
Thanks for the episode. 🍻
FRIDAY HAS STARTED PROPERLY!
@ThatChapter you should do a story on the Molly bishop disappearance in Massachusetts!! Very intriguing, over a decade later they found new evidence that just made the case even more perplexing. During the search to find her they also found nearly a dozen girls from unsolved cases and solved a couple cold cases.
Hate these cases that leave the family in such confusion & frustration so sad 😔
With all that toxic crap Toby encouraged through the air service employees, Toby's motive was to play Peter Pan and never grow up. Affairs, gambling, and not keeping his various lusts in check, which by the way cost a bit of cha-ching, Tody considered himself a criminal mastermind Whereby Toby could lie to the FBI, local police, or anyone ol' news reporter and think himself believed.
With the gun found in Toby's car, I am afraid the heir apparent is forever in Davy Jones locker. What a pitiful specimen of a man. I hope his wife divorced his sorry arse in record time.
I would say you could sum it all up as malignant narcissism
Yes, absolutely. This narcissistic assclown thot he had earned his "permanent" position of seniority, & thus his double dealing dishonestly as a perk, & would take over even, if not 4 the meddling little owners kid having a gut instinct old "trusted" Toby was a crook. Which would've put Toby at the bottom of another outfit but more likely in jail, where he ended up🤑👌 Sadly 4 the family, treacherous 2 timing Toby(worst name ever next 2 Rodney,btw) will.never tell where he dropped the body out of the plane. Only justice will be Toby eternally wed to Bubba🤣👍
Someone been listening to a little J Pete eh? 🇨🇦
She is with me now and we are both very happy.
@@scottashe984 cap
My dad got into an accident . This is giving me some comfort and distraction while he is in the hospital. Thanks Mike
Hope your dad pulls through!
Wishing the best for your dad and for you darling!
Thats awful. I hope he's ok very soon.
I hope he's ok
Chin up, hope your old man pulls through.
Love Mike’s accent and he tells stories like no other
That poor young man lost his life over a creepy weirdo who was probably jealous of him. This is just sad and senseless.
The little smirk after he said he didn't kill him. Real subtle, buddy.
Toby pinging phone with Robert's phone is pretty much saying there is a body in my car with a cell phone in his pocket. Wondering if they totally investigated Toby's family for a place he took Robert, vacant house, boat??
Thank you, everyone else here talking about body language when this is the real evidence.
He was using Roberts cellphone if you would open your ears.
In this hectic chaotic world we live in its soothing to see Mike’s same set-up and intro plus excellent videos. Thank you, Mike. I’ve had a week from hell and you’ve brought a huge bright spot into it today. Never change! ☀️
Such an untrustworthy face. He will lie until till the very end, you will NEVER get the truth out of that worm.
The crazy thing to me is the FBI having the dad come watch that video was kind of a hail Mary in all reality but he might have actually got away with it if they hadn't done that.
I hit the likes before I even watched 😅 guess I know Mike never fails to deliver great content. ❤️ That Chapter! ✌🏽
I always do that for Mike's videos. They are consistently excellent.
Same!!! ❤️❤️❤️
Right there with you. Always hitting like before he even gets started as I know it’s gonna be consistently great content and excellent delivery.
Always!
Also Same!!!😁
LETS GIVE IT A GOOOOOO ❤️YOU MAKE MY DAYS ALL THE TIME!!!! I’ve been watching for some months now I appreciate the work you put in and the joy you bring me. My favorite true crime channel for all time, till next week mike
Hi Mike ! Long time fan, just wondering if you have room in your upcoming roster for any more cases where the victim was found alive/safe? So many cases have heartbreak, we can forget the good police who somehow bring family members home and the brave survivors who fight back. Would love some silver lining with so much negativity in the world, thanks for the content and, hope you’re taking care of you!!
Have a good weekend mike. ❤️ thanks for the consistency in my autistic life. It means a lot.
Same!!!
Agreed!
Strange comment…
Hang in there! 😉
@@bradleymitchell3808 shut up 🙄
Woot! Woot! It's Friday! Let's give it a goo with Mike. Love you love the "That Chapter" family!
I love how often you post bro. Definitely one of my fav channels on CZcams
I have watched your channel for a long time. You do an excellent job with a twist of humor🤗🎉🎉👍🌠💫
Dang. I thought Robert had faked his own kidnapping. 😳
Me too
Me too. I imagined him fishing someplace in Mexico, living it up on the kidnapping insurance money.
I still think this is a possibility ~ he set it up to look like Toby was behind it
Thank you Mike! You are my official introduction to the weekend!
It only Tuesday?
@@froggy7495 That's cruel!
#4 demand of the ransom note: " Instruct someone you trust to place the box unopened in your sons office. "
the kidnapper/murderer assumed he would be the trusted person chosen for this task. there is no other explanation why they would choose that location for the drop. Thats why he also instructed Roberts dad to ship the package and tell nobody, so he wouldnt see his "trusted person" walk off with the ransom box.
Good point. Makes a lot of sense to me when said that way. I thought it was oddly specific, I mean look- whoever it was; knew the office, knew the specific rooms of the office and or coming and going of people as to not be like totally random dude runs in and takes the kid hostage with lots of witnesses. So there’s that already, and if he disappeared with no trace? No evidence at all? No blood no other fingerprints found?? Then that says 1- has to be someone who was already working in the building and 2- someone he knew as he must have walked out or gone with the person by his own will at first…
Crazy.
Ding ding, we have a winner.
Hate it when someone is lying and smiling at the same time.
What an unusually weird case. Thanks.
I once was a fan, now I'm a full blown air conditioner! Love ya, mike!
Amazing videos! Love watching how detailed your videos are. I throughly enjoy listening.
I always love hearing messages read out on this channel. He gets to break out the demonic Mike voice
“Absolutely not”. He used the word absolutely so many times…that’s a dead giveaway.
his poor family. I can't imagine having one of my brothers disappear like this.
Thank you Mike for the upload. You’re an amazing human and we are blessed to have you. Love ya man
I've been watching your content since 2018. You uploaded a video about a guy from my home town on my birthday and I am very pleased with this. One of your most compelling episodes yet and a very gracious birthday present. Thanks Mike.
My eyes glazed over a little when Mike was explaining what Tobey was doing cause it sounded like one of those math logic problems: "If Tobey was doing X at Y time but said he was at A doing B" ...
So feel that! 🤣🤣🤣
Usually around the 3 minute mark or so, I realize I've heard the story before. But I still watch the video because I like the job that Mike does on these true crime tales.
Yess me to i love the way Mike tells the story so much respect.
😜😂 same
This poor family. Even after 14 years they have no closure. It’s the ‘not knowing’ that’s the worse part 😢😢
I worked 15 years for a woman who kept files on everybody and was very toxic ! She managed to team up with several others against co-workers AND actually blackmailed others by selling them drugs and taking videos of the transactions !!!
The only way to survive was to ignore her and her team. They made me laugh the way they spent their lives scheming things instead of enjpying life.
I suppose that's what alcohole and drugs do to a person.
Na not even alcohol and drugs to blame just sound like terrible people
Absolutely love getting a "That Chapter" notification. It doesn't matter what else I'm watching...it can wait. Thanks Mike.. Keep the videos coming. Love the channel
Y’all are just begging for likes
@@bradleymitchell3808 seriously man, I really couldn't care less for likes on a comment I make. I just really like watching his videos. I'm Irish aswell and I get his humour. As horrible and horrendous these stories are at times, he has a certain way he tells them and adds a funny tone to them, I enjoy watching.
Mike's the best, I agree it can wait, gotta watch Mike.
Hi Mike! I'm a relatively new sub, but I have a salacious, insane, disturbing case to suggest: Brad Cunningham & Cheryl Keeton Cunningham. I've never forgotten it, Brad is a total gobshite & almost got away with it. Ann Rule wrote about it in her book, "Dead By Sunset," which is a very comprehensive, factual account of the case. Ok, I'm going to watch today's video now. Cheers! 💙💜
Wow I can’t even find hardly a CZcams video on the subject. Besides a three hour long one.
Good call! I’d love to see Mike do a deep dive on this story.
@@lisahughes8779 Me too -I'm going to hound him mercilessly until he does lol - thanks for the like and reply, that'll help.
@@HeatherHolt I had the same results - I started watching the one titled "Dead By Sunset" and it was like a made for TV movie of the week about the case. Not my cup of tea.:)
@@jenx4115 You’re absolutely welcome! And yea, keep on Mike about it. I’ll help! ❤️
And people think unionization is the worst thing that can happen at your job...
Mike, you're lovely - thank you for your video's!
I used to work for National Flight Services in Toledo back in the mid '90s. Never met Robert, but I did talk to his father a few times.
I usually give defendants the benefit of the doubt, even claiming some murderers aren't. But in this case, something about this man scares me. He is emotionless, often sitting with a smirk on his face the entire conversation. Like the type of person who sits behind a desk jealous of others until it spews out... welll....
He reminds me of Asperger's syndrome in its original name: Autistic psychopath.
I'm fairly convinced he did it, but also that it was premeditated, and not something that happened in a fit of rage over some office argument. When you blow up at someone, you tend to be out of control, you'll tend to be messy, as you are unprepared for what you're doing. Robert's office was pristine and not a single speck of blood could be found. This tells me there was no fight, no struggle. He probably got Robert to step out of the office or something, and chloroformed him to neutralize him. He probably killed him somewhere else, and used the purchased plastic and duct tape to wrap up the body and disposed of it god's knows where in that 3-4 hours he's unaccounted for. I'm kinda angry he only go manslaughter to be honest.
Yes I agree. That's spot on what I think
I was thinking the same thing. This was calculated and he thought deep into how he would put this into play. He hated Robert and very jealous of him. The vibes he gives of is very malicious he gets off knowing that they may never find out what really happened and he knows that his family deserves closure that keeps his family up at night hence that even though he is convicted he sleeps peacefully knowing what he has done. Prayers for Robert and his family.
I mostly agree with everything except the chloroform, as it isn't instantanous.
@@RoslynnMckoy What makes it even worse is it was all done for nothing. This plump little coward of a snowflake didn't even take the money. So he killed that young man for nothing. Not that taking the money would have made it better but he didn't have the balls to follow through with his plan because he was afraid of getting caught. Taking someone's life for nothing.
You have seen too many movies. Chloroform doesn’t knock somebody out instantly. It takes much time.
“We don’t negotiate with terrorists… except when when we do” 🤣🙌🏻
Mikey ma boy! Love your channel my man, wish you could/would post a bit more frequently but I can’t imagine how long each upload takes. Any way cheers from SoCal, San Diego, California to be exact!! Keep up the great work buddy!!!