Your videos have been amazing for a first-builder like me. Unlike other channels, you explain the part selection process in understandable terms, instead of throwing big words and letters around.
7:00 The best advice I've heard. A slap of reality that I don't need to jump to DDR5. Thanks Jason! I'll probably need your advice again soon (boost my pc build).
This was the exact video I was waiting for. I am doing my first build and was going to buy 12600k but I couldn't justify for the price. This just reiterate my thoughts. Pulled the trigger on a 13600k after watching. Also helped me on my choice for psu. Was going to get a 6800xt paired with this CPU so I was going to get 850 but this has opened my mind to a full 1000 watt psu.
@@s1mph0ny I agree. I used two separate online PSU calculators and at most was a 750. None of the results said 1000 watts at least based on my findings.
With the cost jump from 850w to 1000w being about 20$ I would gladly take the extra overhead to ensure all my future upgrades will get sufficient and clean power.
The last desktop PC I built had a i7-3930K. It will be nice to see what a modern machine can do. Almost went with DDR5, but upon comparing price and benchmarks, DDR4 still made sense.. Especially since I'm looking to max out the memory 128GB. Thanks for the info.
Yeah. Ddr5 would be nice, but I can't justify it. It would just he a future proofing thing and by the time I'd feel the need to get it, I'd just be getting a new processor anyways most likely.
Hi Jason, I'm doing my own prebuild myself and really appreciate pointing out that what ever i513600k or 1300kf is cheaper. Saved me about 25.00. Thanks for all the value you put into your videos!
the amount of effort, care and enthusiasm you put in your videos is astonishing. from time stamps to tiny details that people with ocd like me care about. s-tier contnet. thank you you deserve much more subs
this video is highly relevant to my interests! either later this month for the black friday deals or next month for the xmas season i plan on a 13600 + 3080 + ddr5 build. with a $2000-$2400 budget i have been figuring out which case/mobo/cpu cooler to go with. (edit: as well i am not sure if i want to piece it together myself or order a prebuilt, thus the variance in budget) thanks for the content, i am eating it up right now!
@@nikhilabi2230 i definitely should have clarified that my budget numbers at the low end was from a pcpartpicker list and the higher end was essentially the same or comparable parts as a prebuilt/si purchase. because for me the eternal struggle is whether or not i want to spend the time and effort of waiting for all of the individual parts to arrive from different sources and then putting it all together vs having one thing arrive that is essentially plug and play.
Glad we could help! I'd take the money you are planing to spend on ddr5 and put it into upgrading your GPU though. It will get you way more performance
Wow! Just put together my first ever build just using only the knowledge I had from watching all your previous videos (before you dropped this one ): - 13600k - $300 - As rock Z690 extreme - $168 - Arctic Liquid freezer 2 240 mm aio - $92 - inland performance pcie 4.0 SSD 1TB $94 - 16gb ddr4 3600 rgb corsair- $60 - Gigabyte OC 3080 - $729 - CX750 power supply - $65 - lian li o11 mini air - $120 How did I do ?
My i5-9600K was struggling to max out my 3070 in a lot of situations. And the 1% low fps was not always good. The turning point was Spider-Man Remastered where the 9600K was loading the GPU below 70%. Last week, I upgraded my system for a 13600K. Now, in every games and situations, the 13600K is maxing out the 3070. And it's so much smoother. For anyone looking fot this kind of combo, I strongly recommend going with DDR5. I bought a cheap 5200 CL38 kit from XPG. I will probably recycle it in another system in 1 or 2 years so I can buy a better kit at a reasonable price.
▶Sponsor: NordPass exclusive deal +4 additional months FREE nordpass.com/pcbuilder *NOTE: 13600K has 14 cores, not 10. Still 20 cores.* What GPU are you looking to pair with the 13600K? What motherboard, RAM, cooler are you going with? Tell your story in a new comment below!
@PC Builder little question. why do you pair the CPU with 3600 RAM when it's rated for 3200 RAM? am i missing on something? how far up DDR4 can you actually go?
Thank you for all of your sane content. I love that you focus on practicality rather than the most expensive thing you can possibly build. I've been thinking about upgrading from the Skylake machine I built several years ago and you've given me a lot of food for thought.
@@PCBuilderChannel So can this cpu run a ddr 6000 ? Because in the intel specs website it says that the max speed that this cpu could run is 5600. I am stuck there in neither should I pick a 6000 or a 5600
I was aiming for 5800x3d but 13600k blew 5800x3d in most aspects. Lower power draw on gaming than 5800x3d, higher power draw by 33% on productivity But it's 50% faster. So it's a good trade. It even run structural computation COMSOL (I'm a civil engineer) nearly twice faster than 5800x3d. And value wise, the platform cost is almost the same with ddr4. As a value builder Intel really won this time imo. 7000series forcing ddr5 is a big reason to leave amd and go for intel this year. I was amd fanboy but the pandemic made me realize every brand is evil LOL. Made me realize to not be a fanboy and just get the good tech with good value!
If you're already invested into the AM4 platform then the 5800X3D makes a lot more sense as a solid upgrade that will last you at least 3 years. If you already have an LGA1700 CPU and motherboard then the 13600K is your new best friend.
Same here mate. Was about to go for 5800X3D from a 5600X for my 3080. Glad I hold for intel 13th gen launch. Since DDR5 prices are nuts and performance it's not that different I'm going for DDR4. AMD served me well but 7000 implying move to DDR5 is just a no. Same aswell for Nvidia RTX4000 forcing to deal with new connector, case and temps.. forget it. Only thing I'm concerned about it's the cooler for the i5 13600K since I have a Masterliquid 360ML from CoolerMaster I'll need to buy new bracket for the 1700 Socket.
Just a quick note, you really want the Gigabyte z690 Gaming X (V2). Its about $10 more if you can find it and its MUCH more stable for RAM over 3600 and has even better VRMs. V2 easily does DDR4000 cl16 where as the non V2 is not stable over 3600 which is why a V2 was sneakily released!
Can we get a "best cases for 2022" video? For me, cases are a tough one, some have better airflow, some are better for modding, others are simply just good looking... Given the quality of your videos, It would be great to see your opinion on some of your favorite PC cases for 2022.
Did a build around this chip and a 3080ti/DDR5. I'll just say, be careful about what z690 board you buy, as unless you have access to a 12th gen Intel chip, make sure you have Bios flashback. I had an Asus Tuf Gaming z690 that I had to take to a local computer store because my comp wouldn't boot into Bios since it couldn't recognize the CPU. Just a heads up for anyone looking to save on a Z690 and go 13th gen intel.
@@jerstah If you have a capable Motherboard, their should be a button on the Motherboard and a dedicated USB port which you download the required version of the Bios for you Motherboard. Insert the USB key and press the bios flashback button. Sometimes its just two pins you'd have to jump with a screwdriver (or a small metal object you hold near it). Tons of CZcams videos on this.
section at 7:00 is the first section to start with, for anyone building a PC. this section only eliminates 80% of mental stress when choosing parts, because it eliminates the trap of "future proof" concept. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
The "k" variant is often $10 or less in additional cost to the non-k. Just get the K. If you ever have a GPU issue, with a K, you can troubleshoot and limp along. Without the k, you are dead in the water.
In 2022 most gamers rated the i5 12400 to be the best performance to price. Been conflicted on MBs, but I think the one you mentioned would do well. Paired with the RX 6700 XT or 6750 XT was what I was thinking or going with the 7600 that was just released. 32gbs of ddr4 at 3200 and a 750-850w semi to fully modular PSU seems straight. Think this is a pretty decent mid level 1440p experience that has room to upgrade. Get frustrated with case selection though. And PSUs are very expensive right now. But that MB selection seems great. I hate having to upgrade MBs, as it requires taking everything apart.
Finally finished my build with this CPU and 3070 combo. First time Fortnite on high settings and it looks so beautiful.... Way better than playing it in lowest settings on my phone. Can't wait to start streaming... Thanks!!
Thanks, this was eye opening! I'm looking to build my first pc in 10 years and was obviously over doing it in a few places. Especially going for DDR4 and a Z690 save quite a bit.
The integrated video on the K CPUs isn't just for content providers. It is extremely useful when setting up your PC and it's great for an additional monitor (I've got 4). Also, sometimes, oddly, the K is cheaper than the KF due to sales. For instance I got an i5-10600K for $200 years ago but the KF was $230. As always your mileage may vary.
@@vacakgagyi5248 I'm a developer, I do content creation, and I also game. All the monitors are useful for different things in each use case. For gaming I normally use three (game, guide, CZcams/Spotify), but I often use all four for work (dev, test output/deployment, virtual machines monitoring, and the website I'm working on).
Love your videos, very helpful. When do you think you’ll be putting out a video for black Friday sales? Especially mid range for a hybrid productivity/gaming rig?
As soon as we start seeing deals we will start posting them with community posts and on twitter @pcbuilderjason. We plan to start dedicated Black Friday videos on the 19th but that's subject to the deals of course (;
For me personally, I've found that one terabyte of memory just doesn't cut it anymore given all of the games I like to play. And considering that games nowadays take up a lot of space. Anyone else feel this way?
Yes, In true data and game hoarder fashion likely am migrating games from 1 tb to 20tb. Main game I play is 96.3 Gb across all versions, so they are 4k file size or larger. The older titles aren't as bad though as far as hogging space. I moved games from 3 tb hdd to 1 tb next they will go on the larger one with perhaps the 1 tb as backup. Friend of mine years ago had 2 tb ssd for all his games, so I probably should have planned similarly. It's more about archival and being able to play whatever, than my actually playing the library. Have about 27 tb of storage now, not having room for whatever was giving me anxiety so horribly.
Your videos are amazing for first-builders and non experimented people, it's been 3 weeks that I watch videos daily and look for what AIO to use, what MB etc. and that's the first time I have a simple and clear answer... I went here just to know what MB I needed and you told me everything I needed and should have known xD Thanks a lot, your work is astonishing, not and never less.
I disagree with the b660 mb, there are a few that are around 100$ less than the cheapest z690 and z790 that can easily handle this cpu, also nowadays overclocking is not worth it and overclocking this CPU better that what turbo boost can do is pretty hard even with some experience. The only reason I would recommend a z690 o z790 is because of more PCI lanes and USB, but even like that, premium b660 mb that cost the same as entry level z690 or z790 usually have the same specs on ports and PCI but premium b660 have more features like premium audio, wifi, Bluetooth. I like your videos since you always make good recommendations, but this time I think you made a huge mistake with b660 mb
Hey I really love your videos and have been watching them while trying to select out my first build. It might be cool to see essentially the same thing but lock in the 13600k and swap out the GPUs/boards/RAM in the same way, budget, professional, gamer. Great resource, thanks for all the hard work and info you share!
Hello Jason! Firstly, thank you for providing such relevant and educative information on the daily. Currently, I am building myself a new PC, and have already pruchased a 6800 XT, 13600KF, Z690 Gaming X DDR5, Kingston Fury Beast 5200 2x16GB CL40, Pure Power 11 1000W, KC3000 1GB,AK620 and the Thermaltake v350. Can you please advise if there is anything I have overlooked and can improve in this? Also, I have seen the argument that even CL36 or CL40 DDR5 Ram, which has worse timings preforms better than current fast DDR4, what is your take on this? Keep up the good work, and thank you for everything you are providing for free. Cheers!
It depends on your application and how sensitive it is to RAM latency vs bandwidth. For example, DDR4-3200 CL16/DDR4-3600 CL18 provide ~50GB/s of bandwidth with 10ns latency. Your DDR5-5200 CL40 provides ~81GB/s with 15ns latency. What are your applications? Some workloads such as Excel, 7zip/WinRAR, code compilation and some games love the extra bandwidth DDR5 gives them and care little for latency. But some latency sensitive games might not react so well (however Raptop Lake's improved caches can mitigate this somewhat).
@@kirby0louise Thank you for your information, I have seen that the DDR5 Ram responds differently for different type of tasks, but in newer games the performance seems present. I can understand the login behind people who stick with DDR4, as when I decided to use the 13600KF I decided to leave myself space for "Future Proofing", but as Jason said, most likely by the time I need the upgrade, I do not think the better Ram will make a difference, but the DDR5 memory slot might, who knows. Thank you for your comment nontheless. Cheers!
thank you for the all the info! how relatable this can be for an i7 13700k + 4080 build? In terms of mobo/psu/cooling? I am new to PC building things, but looking for upgrade... pretty much learning everything from youtube and your channel in top-3 most watched for sure ^^ thanks once again
How much is the price of your build going to be? I created a build similar with a 3080 and 850w psu and a aio cooling and it’s ranging to 2100. Surely yours will be much higher because you can’t cheap out on the other parts
Just found your channel and planning on building a new computer, although the price part is off for me seeing i live in a different country, everything else has been really helpful!!! also the are nice to watch 🙂
I greatly appreciate the input on ddr4 vs ddr5. I've been battling this choice for a few weeks now. At this time, I'm still going z790 ddr5, because Im too scared to flash the bios on a 690, and I've read that 13th gen runs 30-50% slower on 690s. Could just be a tactic to buy 700 series board, but nonetheless. And I'm opting for a 5200 or 5600 16gb ddr5 kit. Pricing I've found is between 90-120$. I'm going to do that and in a year or so, if the pricing comes down, I'll upgrade kits. 16gb should suffice.
I'd go with 32GB 5200 which you should be able to find for $160 or so. Good z690s run the CPUs at full speed and flashing the bios is trivial if the mb has a dedicated USB slot for it. You just copy a file and push a button. I have a 13th gen i5 and Tomahawk z690 working happily here.
I have just built a PC with an i5-13600K as a replacement for an intel 7700 that I use as my daily driver. I am not a gamer, but I find the gamer-creator community is a great resource for the computers that I build or buy for my family. I used a Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX motherboard and an NH-15DS CPU cooler. I chose the 15DS due to the narrow Fractal Design Pop Air case. The cooling is good with the HWMonitor reporting a 60 C CPU rise from idle to full load. Cinebench scores are 2176 for single thread and 24328 for multi-thread. The CPU package draws 168 W, with 225 W coming out of the wall receptacle. The power supply is RM650X 80 Plus Gold. Assuming 80% efficiency That is only 180 W measured on the supply side. This leaves about 470 W continuous for a graphics card. I have ordered two different graphics cards, the first is an Intel Arc A770, while the second is an MSI Gaming GeForce RTX 4090. The A770, with a total board Power (TBP) of 225 W will be used in my new daily driver. The 4090 will be used in a similar build with a refaned Pop Air, water-cooled with an Artic Freezer 280, and an RM850X 80 Plus Gold. This would make a great gaming PC but is a replacement for a work PC I built with an i7-12700K with a 3090 FE.
Still can’t decide between these three cpu choices for my new build. They all have their downsides. Almost seems best to go with the dead end AM4 5800x3d build for gaming since even the 7600x build’s motherboard would need to be replaced for better DDR5 in the future.
I’m in the same situation except I’m building all new from nothing. I’m thinking about going AM5 w/ 7600x and ddr5 so I’ll have more flexibility in the future if I want. but the AM4 with 58003dx with ddr4 would be enough for my gaming wants. 4k gaming is all I’d like but could settle for 1440 if the cost difference was over 1.5k
I love this video. I was doing about a month of research before buing my setup and its really simillar to your recomendation. You also talk about all the important things and the recomended paring is just fire
Excellent review and summary of the recommended parts for an i5-13600k build. I found this extremely helpful. So glad I came across this review. Thanks.
Thank you very much! I am learning a lot since I watch your videos! I plan to use a 13700KF with a rtx 4080. Picking case and AIO is driving me crazy. I want a better refrigeration (maybe 280-360mm) but in order to mount it on the top, it would need a bigger case, do you think it is really needed? What do you think is the smartest AIO + Case combination for this build? I really appreciate your work.
About the PSU's, I know your builds are pretty much revolved around 1.5x the power, but I've seen many other builds, with more power hungry components with smaller psu's, like an i7 13700k with an rtx 3080 and an 850W PSU, and it seemed to be fine. Is it actually fine or not?
I’m running a 13600k @ 5.3Ghz and an overclocked 3080 ftw3 (triple 8 pin connectors) with a 750w Evga supernova G2 from 2015. Max benchmarking load is ~600w. With no issues. I think it’s possible to run a lower wattage power supply, just make sure it’s a quality one (this PSU was rated very highly in it’s time)
I had a 5600X and a 3080, my computer shut off a couple times with a 850 watt psu. It was a good seasonic one as well. Switched to 1000 watt EVGA and have had no problems. (now with 5800X3D)
Thanks for all your awesome videos, thanks to you I was able to decide on my new system. This is my new setup: Case: - Cooler Master MasterBox MB530P Motherboard: - MSI MPG Z690 EDGE WIFI CPU: - Intel Core i5 13600KF - 3,5Ghz Memory: - Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB 32GB(3600Mhz) White SSD: - Samsung 980 PRO 1TB (M.2) GPU: - AMD RADEON RX 6800 XT 16GB CPU cooler: -- Cooler Master Hyper H410R RGB Any toughts? :) Cheers!
dude, youre literally solving every single question I ask to myself into 20 minutes videos. Im starting to suspect you can read our minds lol. Thanks alot for the content. Just awesome the specific and acurate they are. GZ!
Just did a i5-13600K build after watching previous videos. I went for a 1000W power supply for future GPU upgradeability in mind (bought a used 2080 Super for $300 to start with). I did go with DDR5 on a z690 motherboard as I thought it might have benefits in video editing and also got K for the iGPU. I got very high scores in a benchmark for Vegas Pro with this combination and for a total cost of about $1800 US. I will pick up a second m2 drive when prices come down to keep cache and swap files off the main hard drive.
All the parts were high quality. I got a used z690 Tomahawk from Amazon Warehouse but it was like new. There's a Hynix P41 2TB drive on sale now which would make this build even cheaper today. Corsair 1000W cooler. Lian Li II Mesh case, Corsair Vengeance ram 5200 (64GB).
Wasn't there some information that came out that a Z690 mobo can make a 13th gen cpu lose up to 20% preformance? DDR5 is starting to see a noticeable fps gain over DDR4 in some games too so it's definitely beginning to settle in. I guess if you have the extra cash to splooge go for z790 + ddr5 but if you wanna save like 200-400bucks go for ddr4 z690.
@@rsmith02 "research them before you buy" Lmao i did by watching a video where some z690's were causing the 13th gen cpus to lose performance. But it dont matter, i went with the gigabyte z790 elite ax and 13700k. works flawlessly
12600k i5 Intel with ASUS ROG Strix Z690-A Gaming WiFi D4 LGA1700(Intel® 12th Gen) ATX Gaming Motherboard(PCIe 5.0,DDR4,16+1 Power Stages,WiFi 6,2.5 Gb LAN,BT v5.2,Thunderbolt 4,4xM.2 and Front USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 Type-C. White/RGB build
For someone who is always saying to check the motherboard’s audio codec, I’m surprised that you recommended a motherboard that doesn’t have anything other than a line out.
I just built my PC a couple weeks ago and I've been bit by the PC building obsession virus! I wanted to upgrade to the i7-12700K but noticed I need a different motherboard. I have a list of add-ons I want for my PC, and now I'm here on your 13TH Gen build guide- decided that if I'm going to upgrade and need a few more parts..... I'm going 13th Gen, and I am going to basically "build down" my current build and get age appropriate GPU, ram, storage etc, for the biggest birthday/Christmas surprise for my son this year - his very own PC! I haven't been able to afford Anything big and "cool" yet besides his switch lite and the look on his face when he saw the switch was for him, was the greatest feeling in the world! He said "wow, I didn't think I was going to ever get one!" So I think a PC is in order.... earlier than planned because mom has been bit by the PC building obsession virus! 😂😂
AND REMEMBER - Update your Intel Management Engine drivers BEFORE flashing to the latest bios to get 13th gen support. I didn't do that and my B660 board was unable to see my PCIe4 SSD w/ Windows 11, even though it had no problem booting w/ the 13600K. Can't explain it, just know it happened.
Man, I just threw a pcpartpicker list together for the first time in like 3 or so months, GPU prices went back up again. I was in the market for 3080 12gb's back when I was checking a ton and they were around 7-800$ usd and now the 3080 12gb I want is upwards of 1300$. Real shame, because I am finally at the point where I've saved up enough to start looking again, but I'm gonna be stuck waiting for prices to come down, or maybe I'll have to save a bit more and start looking at 4080's, because 1300 for a 3080 seems silly when brand new 4080s are in that range.
3080s, 3090s and even 3070s are selling out. Is there a reason you can't go AMD? Unless you do a lot of video editing they are much better price to performance options right now for gaming
Just go with the 6800 xt, they are 550-600 and perform just as good if not better than the 3080. If it’s just a AMD thing than go for the 4070TI for 840
Purchasing a 13600k and a rx6950xt. At first I thought it was going to be to much CPU but it looks like I made a decent choice. I was only looking to spend around $600 on a gpu so I decided on the RX 6950XT instead of the rtx 4070. Good to know maybe in a few years throw a 4090 with that cpu and I can upgrade my 1440p rig into a 4K monster. I also had to upgrade my mobo because I am coming from a 2060 super and a i5-9600k.
I have this 13600k love it. paired with rtx 4080 Gamerock OC for Mainboard i choose: Asus Rog Strix z690-A gaming Wifi with 32x GB DDR5 6000mhz G.Skill RAM /white build
You can use it but what I've heard is with k cpus always getting a z series motherboard for tuning voltages and overclocking speed is better. On b series it will run but it will be hot i heard. Again I read all this stuff on Reddit. So
It's a bit disingenuous to suggest only video editors should get a K model and everyone else should get KF if it's cheaper. There are many benefits to troubleshooting GPU issues by having a processor with an integrated GPU that make the extra $10-$15 worth it. A couple right off the top of my head include a faulty GPU right out of the box. Imagine finishing a build and you get no video output, an integrated GPU will help you discern that the problem is in fact the discrete GPU. Another example is a bad VBIOS flash. You can recover your GPU if you can boot your computer with the integrated GPU. Otherwise this video was very solid.
Really nice and informative content for completely new PC builder. I can actually understand and get valuable information from these videos. Ended up with below setup (thanks to this and multiple other videos in your channel): GPU: MSI VENTUS 3X OC GeForce RTX 4080 16 GB CPU: Intel Core i5-13600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor Motherboard: Gigabyte Z690 GAMING X DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Memory: Kingston FURY Renegade 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 SSD: Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Case: Lian Li LANCOOL III RGB ATX Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280 PSU: Corsair RM1000x (2021) 1000 W Let's hope it POSTs once updated the BIOS and assembled :D
@@PCBuilderChannel thanks you for replying. Also i saw that you helped the people affected by the latest earthquake in Turkey and you donated to the food banks. We were woken up by the quake at 3 am and it was a horrifying experience even though we’re 400 miles away. I also just subbed to your channel, i finally specced my PC and i’m gonna get it this weekend, spent way over my 1200$ budget😬. Thanks again.
Dear Jason, I'm planning to build my new gaming PC for 1440P resolution. Here's the build I have in mind: GPU: RTX 4080 16GB Processor: Core i5 13600K Motherboard: Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Pro RAM: DDR5 5600MHZ SSD: Samsung 980 PRO SSD 2TB Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB PSU: EVGA SUPERNOVA 1000W G6 Case: CORSAIR 400D Airflow Can you please suggest me if it's ok or should I make any changes in it. Thanks 🙏
Some challenges here: Cooler is way too small. Rewatch that section. I don't love 5600 DDR5 vs DDR4 3600 CL16. It's both more expensive and I fear you won't see any uplift (possibly go backwards if the timings are too loose). Samsung Pro 2TB is expensive, consider a cheaper gen 3 drive instead and put that money into better cooling. Couple of tweaks and this will be a good build.
I have a serious question... Should I choose "Kingston Fury Renegade 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 3600MHz CL16" instead of G.Skill Ripjaws that you put on your video? Can you explain me please what's the difference or if its equal memory ram?
@@kelley09162 I'm asking for the difference because the Kingston Ram as "16-20-20 timing" with a "First Word Latency of 8.88ns". The G.Skill Ram as "16-19-19-39 timing" with a "First Word Latency of 8.89ns". In my country the Kingston is slighty cheaper than G.Skill. And I want to know what's the difference in perfomance between them or if is better choosing the Kingston ram instead of G.skill for this i5-13600kf build :) HELP ME xD
Always better to get the k vs kf on any cpu - its only a few bucks more and if you ever have a problem with your gpu you can still boot up and have a display for troubleshooting.
I'm always curios about 4K streaming as DDR5 might see a benefit on that scenario... CPU might show low usage during this things but memory does some extra job rendering those encoders for the game, camera and others things. Also how it might impact loading of heavy textures on real-time scenarios like using a speed-hack and running all around an open world at 4K (Horizon Dawn, GTA, etc...)
I actually started the channel because I returned to pc building after a break and wishes their was a channel to get me all caught up! So glad we can help (:
I'm about to build a new PC here in Germany and I find your videos very helpful, especially since i kinda got hyped on the i5-13600k as cpu for the system. Since I'm not the classical Gamer and mainly play high calculation power consuming games like Paradox Titles, Humandkind,.. but want to also be able to jump in more graphical intense games here. Apart from that i want to use the pc for office stuff and probably for some youtube video production. So I planned to save a little more money on the GPU and get a GeForce RTX 3060 Ti instead. I felt like with calculated wattage on PCPartpicker of 480W, I'd be finde with a 750W PSU in this case. On the other hand, i would've gotten 32 GB RAM, and since the prices for the Gigabyte Z690 Series are almost the same, and the difference between Kingston Fury Renegade 32GB DDR4-3600 CL-16-20-20 and DDR5-5200 CL40-40-40 is only 30€. Am I still overspending on the RAM here? I watched your RAM Video as well as the Z690/Z790 Video as well and learned a lot, maybe too much to process properly :D Thanks a lot anyways, great videos
Well did you changed something? I'm about to build pc as well so I'd like to know if you changed you mind on something. I feel like i should go with asus rog strix B760-A wifi because the overclocking won't change a lot and I could save some money there.
@@negus5534 It's running very smoothly and i can't complain so far. Went for the Z690UD with 32gb ddr4 ram and upgraded the gpu a bit more to a rx 6800. I don't know anything about the mainboards, but after watching some videos and comparing for a bit, i focussed on the gigaby z690 series very quickly since they were not much more expensive than the b660 series and seemed to be quite nice.
I mostly don't know what mobo to get with 13600k. I'm building my PC now and I plan on keeping my PC parts for 4-5 years or so and game,and work on 1440p. So I've been debating on getting with z690 ddr4 , since I have 32gb 3600 ram, 13600k with my 3080 vision oc gpu. I figured that getting ddr5 board and ram wasn't too worth it currently and that in 4-5 years, go with ddr5 but I'm not sure. Mostly because I don't know if it's more that the mobos need the improvement for ddr5 to be much better or the ram itself.im not too tight on my budget , but also don't want to needlessly spend so I want a good overall value while also not feeling like I'm missing out on a lot and leaving it on the table.
Great explanation, will be coming back here Winter 2023 when intel 14th gen and amd 8000 build. Also subscribed and thumbs up. Needed these type of explanation since its been 14 yrs since last build.
This video is awesome! I'm confused by all the different options as I don't have a lot of knowledge. I've always just bought pre built laptops. I want to build a custom desktop and your information and explanations are excellent and easy to understand. Great channel. I'm going to delve into your other videos. Cheers!
Im actually upgrading to a 13600k but I also need a new Motherboard with it but that is what im really struggling with to find what's best for the 13600k. I am going to keep running DDR4 since I dont find the small gains worth enough to pay 120ish EU and replace my current 32GB DDR4's what board would you recommend me to get that's fairly priced and optimal for the 13600k? (If it's important im running a 3060ti but this one wil hopefully be replaced at christmas)
Hi Jason thanks for the video! I just have one question. I have an i5 6600k, and it's definitely time to change it. I was thinking to upgrade to a i5 13600k while staying in ddr4 for now, but the question is, my 650w 80 gold plus (EVGA supernova G3) power supply is enough to power the 13600k and my gtx 1070? (I will eventually change power supply with the next GPU upgrade)
Thanks for reviewing, Just did my storage a week ago (20 TB so like 27 total I feel much less anxiety). Just but either I wait for the new X3D or see what deals Black Friday/Cyber Monday brings. I really did have much anxiety about running out of room before. Though I want to hit the CPU next likely in the next upgrade.
Hi Jason, I see that you have paired a z690 aorus ultra ATX motherboard with a 6400 DDR 5 kit. Isn't that a problem because on the specs of that particular motherboard the max ram is a 6200 DDR5?
That's the base speed of the Ram, but every kit (as we say in the video) you'll want to activate the XMP profile to enable overclocking. That's the thing people forget to do (;
Most people aren't going to see any difference between DDR4 and DDR5 in performance. DDR4 is cheaper though currently. Though I think Intel for the future 14th gen is going DDR5 only in the future. If future upgradable is a concern for you buy a DDR5 motherboard for 13th gen and then in the future you will be able more easily to move from a Z790 DDR5 board to a future Z890 DDR5 board(or whatever the next gen chipset is going to be called).
DeepCool AK400 ZERO DARK. Even in extended load it does not allow it to exceed 80°, on a day-to-day basis it keeps it at 32° to 34°, without problem. Highly recommended.
Your videos have been amazing for a first-builder like me. Unlike other channels, you explain the part selection process in understandable terms, instead of throwing big words and letters around.
Thank you for the feedback! That means so much to us.
@@PCBuilderChannel What is the best bang for the buck Air cooler for socket 1700?
7:00 The best advice I've heard. A slap of reality that I don't need to jump to DDR5. Thanks Jason! I'll probably need your advice again soon (boost my pc build).
So glad we could help! I see a lot of people overspending in that department
This was the exact video I was waiting for. I am doing my first build and was going to buy 12600k but I couldn't justify for the price. This just reiterate my thoughts. Pulled the trigger on a 13600k after watching. Also helped me on my choice for psu. Was going to get a 6800xt paired with this CPU so I was going to get 850 but this has opened my mind to a full 1000 watt psu.
So glad we could help!!! And you can head over to our Best PSU 2022 video to follow the method there to double check what you need for PSU
That combo won't even need 600W. Honestly I don't even think you'd need 1000 for a 4090 with a 13600k.
@@s1mph0ny I agree. I used two separate online PSU calculators and at most was a 750. None of the results said 1000 watts at least based on my findings.
With the cost jump from 850w to 1000w being about 20$ I would gladly take the extra overhead to ensure all my future upgrades will get sufficient and clean power.
Minimum 750 w maximum 850 watt psu is enough
The last desktop PC I built had a i7-3930K. It will be nice to see what a modern machine can do. Almost went with DDR5, but upon comparing price and benchmarks, DDR4 still made sense.. Especially since I'm looking to max out the memory 128GB. Thanks for the info.
So glad we could help!
Yeah. Ddr5 would be nice, but I can't justify it. It would just he a future proofing thing and by the time I'd feel the need to get it, I'd just be getting a new processor anyways most likely.
Hi Jason, I'm doing my own prebuild myself and really appreciate pointing out that what ever i513600k or 1300kf is cheaper. Saved me about 25.00. Thanks for all the value you put into your videos!
Glad to help!
the amount of effort, care and enthusiasm you put in your videos is astonishing. from time stamps to tiny details that people with ocd like me care about. s-tier contnet. thank you
you deserve much more subs
Thank you so much, we appreciate your support! Thank you for watching :)
this video is highly relevant to my interests! either later this month for the black friday deals or next month for the xmas season i plan on a 13600 + 3080 + ddr5 build. with a $2000-$2400 budget i have been figuring out which case/mobo/cpu cooler to go with. (edit: as well i am not sure if i want to piece it together myself or order a prebuilt, thus the variance in budget) thanks for the content, i am eating it up right now!
You can do much better with that budget
@@nikhilabi2230 i agree id wait for rdna 3 or 4080
@@nikhilabi2230 i definitely should have clarified that my budget numbers at the low end was from a pcpartpicker list and the higher end was essentially the same or comparable parts as a prebuilt/si purchase.
because for me the eternal struggle is whether or not i want to spend the time and effort of waiting for all of the individual parts to arrive from different sources and then putting it all together vs having one thing arrive that is essentially plug and play.
Got a 3090ti for 1000$.Should be able to get better than a 3080
Glad we could help! I'd take the money you are planing to spend on ddr5 and put it into upgrading your GPU though. It will get you way more performance
Wow! Just put together my first ever build just using only the knowledge I had from watching all your previous videos (before you dropped this one ):
- 13600k - $300
- As rock Z690 extreme - $168
- Arctic Liquid freezer 2 240 mm aio - $92
- inland performance pcie 4.0 SSD 1TB $94
- 16gb ddr4 3600 rgb corsair- $60
- Gigabyte OC 3080 - $729
- CX750 power supply - $65
- lian li o11 mini air - $120
How did I do ?
Congrats on your build! So glad we could help!
Looks like a solid build to me.. congrats! I hope you have a ton of fun with it.
@@PCBuilderChannel thanks !
@@americasace thanks !
you could've gotten a better power supply, considering you bought an OC 3080, but not bad for a first build. will last you for a while. good job!
My i5-9600K was struggling to max out my 3070 in a lot of situations. And the 1% low fps was not always good. The turning point was Spider-Man Remastered where the 9600K was loading the GPU below 70%. Last week, I upgraded my system for a 13600K. Now, in every games and situations, the 13600K is maxing out the 3070. And it's so much smoother.
For anyone looking fot this kind of combo, I strongly recommend going with DDR5. I bought a cheap 5200 CL38 kit from XPG. I will probably recycle it in another system in 1 or 2 years so I can buy a better kit at a reasonable price.
Fantastic! Thanks for sharing
the 13600k is an absolute monster
What motherboard did you use?
@@enmanuellopeztaveras2915 Sorry I'm late on this one; Gigabyte Gaming X Z690 DDR5.
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*NOTE: 13600K has 14 cores, not 10. Still 20 cores.*
What GPU are you looking to pair with the 13600K? What motherboard, RAM, cooler are you going with? Tell your story in a new comment below!
14 cores and 20 threads*
Yep! Math is hard...
@PC Builder little question. why do you pair the CPU with 3600 RAM when it's rated for 3200 RAM? am i missing on something? how far up DDR4 can you actually go?
It's bad luck not to have a black cat in a video.
The cat agrees...
Oh you mean a BEM BEM! Thats my black kitties name!
Lmao
I see them at 11:00😊
No..? Where would he even get a black cat
Thank you for all of your sane content. I love that you focus on practicality rather than the most expensive thing you can possibly build. I've been thinking about upgrading from the Skylake machine I built several years ago and you've given me a lot of food for thought.
Glad we could help!
@@PCBuilderChannel So can this cpu run a ddr 6000 ? Because in the intel specs website it says that the max speed that this cpu could run is 5600. I am stuck there in neither should I pick a 6000 or a 5600
I was aiming for 5800x3d but 13600k blew 5800x3d in most aspects. Lower power draw on gaming than 5800x3d, higher power draw by 33% on productivity But it's 50% faster. So it's a good trade. It even run structural computation COMSOL (I'm a civil engineer) nearly twice faster than 5800x3d.
And value wise, the platform cost is almost the same with ddr4. As a value builder Intel really won this time imo. 7000series forcing ddr5 is a big reason to leave amd and go for intel this year.
I was amd fanboy but the pandemic made me realize every brand is evil LOL. Made me realize to not be a fanboy and just get the good tech with good value!
Well said!! Glad you got what you needed!
Good info. Thanks.
If you're already invested into the AM4 platform then the 5800X3D makes a lot more sense as a solid upgrade that will last you at least 3 years. If you already have an LGA1700 CPU and motherboard then the 13600K is your new best friend.
@@Niranjan_Mavath_ALT and if you are coming from an i5 3570k what would u do? amd or intel? or wait for something?
i wanna upgrade soon
Same here mate. Was about to go for 5800X3D from a 5600X for my 3080. Glad I hold for intel 13th gen launch. Since DDR5 prices are nuts and performance it's not that different I'm going for DDR4. AMD served me well but 7000 implying move to DDR5 is just a no. Same aswell for Nvidia RTX4000 forcing to deal with new connector, case and temps.. forget it. Only thing I'm concerned about it's the cooler for the i5 13600K since I have a Masterliquid 360ML from CoolerMaster I'll need to buy new bracket for the 1700 Socket.
Just a quick note, you really want the Gigabyte z690 Gaming X (V2). Its about $10 more if you can find it and its MUCH more stable for RAM over 3600 and has even better VRMs. V2 easily does DDR4000 cl16 where as the non V2 is not stable over 3600 which is why a V2 was sneakily released!
would this be good as i want to put corsair vengeance lpx 2x16 4000 cl18 in it ? thanks
Can we get a "best cases for 2022" video? For me, cases are a tough one, some have better airflow, some are better for modding, others are simply just good looking... Given the quality of your videos, It would be great to see your opinion on some of your favorite PC cases for 2022.
Yesss pls
gamers nexus has one that is a pretty good list if your down to check them out
@@thisisntmeisityou9670 got the link by any chance?
Just pick 4000d airflow. I like it
Great recommendations here apart from the PSU field of the 1000-1200W recommendations.
Did a build around this chip and a 3080ti/DDR5. I'll just say, be careful about what z690 board you buy, as unless you have access to a 12th gen Intel chip, make sure you have Bios flashback. I had an Asus Tuf Gaming z690 that I had to take to a local computer store because my comp wouldn't boot into Bios since it couldn't recognize the CPU. Just a heads up for anyone looking to save on a Z690 and go 13th gen intel.
Yes good tip!
@@PCBuilderChannel Are there no Z690's that come ready for 13th gen out of the box?
@@PatrickMoog Not yet, only Z790s are at the moment. You need to flash the bios with any 600 series motherboards.
How do you flash bios?
@@jerstah If you have a capable Motherboard, their should be a button on the Motherboard and a dedicated USB port which you download the required version of the Bios for you Motherboard. Insert the USB key and press the bios flashback button. Sometimes its just two pins you'd have to jump with a screwdriver (or a small metal object you hold near it). Tons of CZcams videos on this.
section at 7:00 is the first section to start with, for anyone building a PC.
this section only eliminates 80% of mental stress when choosing parts, because it eliminates the trap of "future proof" concept.
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Yes! Glad you enjoyed
The "k" variant is often $10 or less in additional cost to the non-k. Just get the K. If you ever have a GPU issue, with a K, you can troubleshoot and limp along. Without the k, you are dead in the water.
In 2022 most gamers rated the i5 12400 to be the best performance to price. Been conflicted on MBs, but I think the one you mentioned would do well. Paired with the RX 6700 XT or 6750 XT was what I was thinking or going with the 7600 that was just released. 32gbs of ddr4 at 3200 and a 750-850w semi to fully modular PSU seems straight. Think this is a pretty decent mid level 1440p experience that has room to upgrade. Get frustrated with case selection though. And PSUs are very expensive right now. But that MB selection seems great. I hate having to upgrade MBs, as it requires taking everything apart.
Finally finished my build with this CPU and 3070 combo. First time Fortnite on high settings and it looks so beautiful.... Way better than playing it in lowest settings on my phone. Can't wait to start streaming... Thanks!!
Ohh congrats on your build and thanks for the info!!
You could have built a pc for £400 that could run Fortnite at max lol
What PSU did you use for this build? I already have the 3070 and now im considering buying this CPU but im not sure if my RM850x V3 can handle it.
Thanks, this was eye opening! I'm looking to build my first pc in 10 years and was obviously over doing it in a few places. Especially going for DDR4 and a Z690 save quite a bit.
This is exactly what I was looking for! Simple and informative. Thank you. You earned a sub ❤
So glad you enjoyed! Thank you for the sub
Went ahead and got almost the exact premium 13600k build after watching. Very informative video!
Hope you love it! Thanks for watching
The integrated video on the K CPUs isn't just for content providers. It is extremely useful when setting up your PC and it's great for an additional monitor (I've got 4). Also, sometimes, oddly, the K is cheaper than the KF due to sales. For instance I got an i5-10600K for $200 years ago but the KF was $230. As always your mileage may vary.
And Diagnose hardware problems. iGPU is a must! Saves you so much needlessly headache.
Good point. My NVIDIA card only has one HDMI port and while waiting for a displayport cable to arrive I hooked my other monitor to the iGPU.
why do you need 4?
@@vacakgagyi5248 I'm a developer, I do content creation, and I also game. All the monitors are useful for different things in each use case. For gaming I normally use three (game, guide, CZcams/Spotify), but I often use all four for work (dev, test output/deployment, virtual machines monitoring, and the website I'm working on).
@@BravoSixGoingDark I've literally never had to use the igpu, ever.
Omg, my brain never felt this fluid before. You make everything so easy to understand!
Love to hear it, thank you for watching!
Love your videos, very helpful. When do you think you’ll be putting out a video for black Friday sales? Especially mid range for a hybrid productivity/gaming rig?
As soon as we start seeing deals we will start posting them with community posts and on twitter @pcbuilderjason. We plan to start dedicated Black Friday videos on the 19th but that's subject to the deals of course (;
@@PCBuilderChannel Thank you I’ll be watching for your videos
can i use a coller master 240 ml v2 rgb in this cpu?
Another great video! Intel builds are right up my alley nowadays. Thanks, Mister J!
Thank you!! Hope you are having a good week!
is b660m A-wifi motherboard enough for i5-13600k and rtx4070ti???
For me personally, I've found that one terabyte of memory just doesn't cut it anymore given all of the games I like to play. And considering that games nowadays take up a lot of space. Anyone else feel this way?
Yes, In true data and game hoarder fashion likely am migrating games from 1 tb to 20tb. Main game I play is 96.3 Gb across all versions, so they are 4k file size or larger. The older titles aren't as bad though as far as hogging space. I moved games from 3 tb hdd to 1 tb next they will go on the larger one with perhaps the 1 tb as backup. Friend of mine years ago had 2 tb ssd for all his games, so I probably should have planned similarly. It's more about archival and being able to play whatever, than my actually playing the library. Have about 27 tb of storage now, not having room for whatever was giving me anxiety so horribly.
I agree most definitely with that. Need at least 2 T.
Your videos are amazing for first-builders and non experimented people, it's been 3 weeks that I watch videos daily and look for what AIO to use, what MB etc. and that's the first time I have a simple and clear answer... I went here just to know what MB I needed and you told me everything I needed and should have known xD Thanks a lot, your work is astonishing, not and never less.
So glad its helpful! Thank you for watching and best wishes on your build!
I disagree with the b660 mb, there are a few that are around 100$ less than the cheapest z690 and z790 that can easily handle this cpu, also nowadays overclocking is not worth it and overclocking this CPU better that what turbo boost can do is pretty hard even with some experience. The only reason I would recommend a z690 o z790 is because of more PCI lanes and USB, but even like that, premium b660 mb that cost the same as entry level z690 or z790 usually have the same specs on ports and PCI but premium b660 have more features like premium audio, wifi, Bluetooth. I like your videos since you always make good recommendations, but this time I think you made a huge mistake with b660 mb
Hey I really love your videos and have been watching them while trying to select out my first build.
It might be cool to see essentially the same thing but lock in the 13600k and swap out the GPUs/boards/RAM in the same way, budget, professional, gamer.
Great resource, thanks for all the hard work and info you share!
Hello Jason!
Firstly, thank you for providing such relevant and educative information on the daily.
Currently, I am building myself a new PC, and have already pruchased a 6800 XT, 13600KF, Z690 Gaming X DDR5, Kingston Fury Beast 5200 2x16GB CL40, Pure Power 11 1000W, KC3000 1GB,AK620 and the Thermaltake v350.
Can you please advise if there is anything I have overlooked and can improve in this?
Also, I have seen the argument that even CL36 or CL40 DDR5 Ram, which has worse timings preforms better than current fast DDR4, what is your take on this?
Keep up the good work, and thank you for everything you are providing for free.
Cheers!
For the Memory query check out Hardware Unboxed's video on Memory Scaling which dropped recently.
It depends on your application and how sensitive it is to RAM latency vs bandwidth. For example, DDR4-3200 CL16/DDR4-3600 CL18 provide ~50GB/s of bandwidth with 10ns latency. Your DDR5-5200 CL40 provides ~81GB/s with 15ns latency.
What are your applications? Some workloads such as Excel, 7zip/WinRAR, code compilation and some games love the extra bandwidth DDR5 gives them and care little for latency. But some latency sensitive games might not react so well (however Raptop Lake's improved caches can mitigate this somewhat).
@@kirby0louise Thank you for your information, I have seen that the DDR5 Ram responds differently for different type of tasks, but in newer games the performance seems present.
I can understand the login behind people who stick with DDR4, as when I decided to use the 13600KF I decided to leave myself space for "Future Proofing", but as Jason said, most likely by the time I need the upgrade, I do not think the better Ram will make a difference, but the DDR5 memory slot might, who knows.
Thank you for your comment nontheless.
Cheers!
not only these videos answer the right questions accurately but we even get to see a cat time to time !
Glad you're enjoying them! He's the true star of the channel :)
thank you for the all the info! how relatable this can be for an i7 13700k + 4080 build? In terms of mobo/psu/cooling? I am new to PC building things, but looking for upgrade... pretty much learning everything from youtube and your channel in top-3 most watched for sure ^^ thanks once again
Thats also a good combo, only thing I would change from this list is to bump up the cooling with a high end AIO or highest end Air
@@PCBuilderChannel thanks! I guess noctua NH D15 will be enough
How much is the price of your build going to be? I created a build similar with a 3080 and 850w psu and a aio cooling and it’s ranging to 2100. Surely yours will be much higher because you can’t cheap out on the other parts
@@biggbodyyy1018 hard to say yet, because I don't know how much 4080 will cost in my country
@@wtmw1337 probably a arm or leg maybe even your soul lol like in my country South Africa 😬
Just found your channel and planning on building a new computer, although the price part is off for me seeing i live in a different country, everything else has been really helpful!!! also the are nice to watch 🙂
So glad we could help! Best wishes on your build!
I greatly appreciate the input on ddr4 vs ddr5. I've been battling this choice for a few weeks now. At this time, I'm still going z790 ddr5, because Im too scared to flash the bios on a 690, and I've read that 13th gen runs 30-50% slower on 690s. Could just be a tactic to buy 700 series board, but nonetheless. And I'm opting for a 5200 or 5600 16gb ddr5 kit. Pricing I've found is between 90-120$. I'm going to do that and in a year or so, if the pricing comes down, I'll upgrade kits. 16gb should suffice.
16gb is not sufficed
@@orkhepaj LOL oh 16gb for most is fine, right?
@@ArachnidGoat nah
@@ArachnidGoat nah 16gb is not enough anymore. Time to move to 32gb
I'd go with 32GB 5200 which you should be able to find for $160 or so.
Good z690s run the CPUs at full speed and flashing the bios is trivial if the mb has a dedicated USB slot for it. You just copy a file and push a button. I have a 13th gen i5 and Tomahawk z690 working happily here.
I have just built a PC with an i5-13600K as a replacement for an intel 7700 that I use as my daily driver. I am not a gamer, but I find the gamer-creator community is a great resource for the computers that I build or buy for my family. I used a Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX motherboard and an NH-15DS CPU cooler. I chose the 15DS due to the narrow Fractal Design Pop Air case. The cooling is good with the HWMonitor reporting a 60 C CPU rise from idle to full load. Cinebench scores are 2176 for single thread and 24328 for multi-thread. The CPU package draws 168 W, with 225 W coming out of the wall receptacle. The power supply is RM650X 80 Plus Gold. Assuming 80% efficiency That is only 180 W measured on the supply side. This leaves about 470 W continuous for a graphics card. I have ordered two different graphics cards, the first is an Intel Arc A770, while the second is an MSI Gaming GeForce RTX 4090. The A770, with a total board Power (TBP) of 225 W will be used in my new daily driver. The 4090 will be used in a similar build with a refaned Pop Air, water-cooled with an Artic Freezer 280, and an RM850X 80 Plus Gold. This would make a great gaming PC but is a replacement for a work PC I built with an i7-12700K with a 3090 FE.
Still can’t decide between these three cpu choices for my new build. They all have their downsides. Almost seems best to go with the dead end AM4 5800x3d build for gaming since even the 7600x build’s motherboard would need to be replaced for better DDR5 in the future.
I’m in the same situation except I’m building all new from nothing. I’m thinking about going AM5 w/ 7600x and ddr5 so I’ll have more flexibility in the future if I want. but the AM4 with 58003dx with ddr4 would be enough for my gaming wants. 4k gaming is all I’d like but could settle for 1440 if the cost difference was over 1.5k
You might want to check out our CPU Market Update video from yesterday, it might help you decide
I love this video. I was doing about a month of research before buing my setup and its really simillar to your recomendation. You also talk about all the important things and the recomended paring is just fire
Perfect time
Since i was waiting for something like this
Hope you enjoy!
Excellent review and summary of the recommended parts for an i5-13600k build. I found this extremely helpful. So glad I came across this review. Thanks.
Glad I could help! Thank you for watching!
Thank you very much! I am learning a lot since I watch your videos! I plan to use a 13700KF with a rtx 4080. Picking case and AIO is driving me crazy. I want a better refrigeration (maybe 280-360mm) but in order to mount it on the top, it would need a bigger case, do you think it is really needed? What do you think is the smartest AIO + Case combination for this build? I really appreciate your work.
Catching a premiere. I'm lucky today 💪🏽
Hi Miguel! We haven't done many "premiere" before. Do you like that format? Trying it out
@@PCBuilderChannel yeah, I liked it. You should try it more
About the PSU's, I know your builds are pretty much revolved around 1.5x the power, but I've seen many other builds, with more power hungry components with smaller psu's, like an i7 13700k with an rtx 3080 and an 850W PSU, and it seemed to be fine. Is it actually fine or not?
I would say its not worth the risk but that's entirely up to you. See our Best PSU 2022 video for more
I’m running a 13600k @ 5.3Ghz and an overclocked 3080 ftw3 (triple 8 pin connectors) with a 750w Evga supernova G2 from 2015. Max benchmarking load is ~600w. With no issues.
I think it’s possible to run a lower wattage power supply, just make sure it’s a quality one (this PSU was rated very highly in it’s time)
I had a 5600X and a 3080, my computer shut off a couple times with a 850 watt psu. It was a good seasonic one as well. Switched to 1000 watt EVGA and have had no problems. (now with 5800X3D)
@@Kona5.0 well I was looking towards getting the msi mpg a850gf which is a tier rated so I don't know what to do
@@l2p200iqPlays i think it’s also helpful to get a single rail psu from what ive read when ur using high wattage components
Bruhh thankkk youuuuuu !! I’ve been waiting for you to make this video so I could build this pc for Black Friday and cyber Monday
Awesome! Glad we could help!
Thanks for all your awesome videos, thanks to you I was able to decide on my new system.
This is my new setup:
Case: - Cooler Master MasterBox MB530P
Motherboard: - MSI MPG Z690 EDGE WIFI
CPU: - Intel Core i5 13600KF - 3,5Ghz
Memory: - Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB 32GB(3600Mhz) White
SSD: - Samsung 980 PRO 1TB (M.2)
GPU: - AMD RADEON RX 6800 XT 16GB
CPU cooler: -- Cooler Master Hyper H410R RGB
Any toughts? :)
Cheers!
dude, youre literally solving every single question I ask to myself into 20 minutes videos. Im starting to suspect you can read our minds lol. Thanks alot for the content. Just awesome the specific and acurate they are. GZ!
Thanks so much for the feedback, so glad you got all your questions answered! The power of the PC Building mind :)
Just did a i5-13600K build after watching previous videos. I went for a 1000W power supply for future GPU upgradeability in mind (bought a used 2080 Super for $300 to start with). I did go with DDR5 on a z690 motherboard as I thought it might have benefits in video editing and also got K for the iGPU. I got very high scores in a benchmark for Vegas Pro with this combination and for a total cost of about $1800 US. I will pick up a second m2 drive when prices come down to keep cache and swap files off the main hard drive.
1600 is dirt cheap. Link the build?
@@kekeke8988 I posted twice links to PCPartPicker but they got deleted. It's not an affiliate link for me or anything.
All the parts were high quality. I got a used z690 Tomahawk from Amazon Warehouse but it was like new. There's a Hynix P41 2TB drive on sale now which would make this build even cheaper today. Corsair 1000W cooler. Lian Li II Mesh case, Corsair Vengeance ram 5200 (64GB).
please help, does the ASUS Prime Z790-P or the MSI Pro Z790A have bios flashback? I couldn't find anything online.
Wasn't there some information that came out that a Z690 mobo can make a 13th gen cpu lose up to 20% preformance?
DDR5 is starting to see a noticeable fps gain over DDR4 in some games too so it's definitely beginning to settle in.
I guess if you have the extra cash to splooge go for z790 + ddr5 but if you wanna save like 200-400bucks go for ddr4 z690.
Not on good MBs, research them before you buy. I'm happy with my z690 MSI Tomahawk DDR5 an 13600K.
@@rsmith02 "research them before you buy"
Lmao i did by watching a video where some z690's were causing the 13th gen cpus to lose performance.
But it dont matter, i went with the gigabyte z790 elite ax and 13700k. works flawlessly
But microcenter has the 12700k $100 off and with a free $260 asus z690 mobo. both for $349
Yo thanks for tip!
HAHA intel is out of my price range
really that is kinda suprising
12400 is cheap and very good.
Hope we get some cheaper prices on black friday
All Intel? The 12100f is a great option for a budget build, we've got that build on the channel too if you want to check that out
12600k i5 Intel with ASUS ROG Strix Z690-A Gaming WiFi D4 LGA1700(Intel® 12th Gen) ATX Gaming Motherboard(PCIe 5.0,DDR4,16+1 Power Stages,WiFi 6,2.5 Gb LAN,BT v5.2,Thunderbolt 4,4xM.2 and Front USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 Type-C. White/RGB build
For someone who is always saying to check the motherboard’s audio codec, I’m surprised that you recommended a motherboard that doesn’t have anything other than a line out.
well said, I wanted to point it out too. I wonder what will be his reply.
I just built my PC a couple weeks ago and I've been bit by the PC building obsession virus! I wanted to upgrade to the i7-12700K but noticed I need a different motherboard. I have a list of add-ons I want for my PC, and now I'm here on your 13TH Gen build guide- decided that if I'm going to upgrade and need a few more parts.....
I'm going 13th Gen, and I am going to basically "build down" my current build and get age appropriate GPU, ram, storage etc, for the biggest birthday/Christmas surprise for my son this year - his very own PC! I haven't been able to afford Anything big and "cool" yet besides his switch lite and the look on his face when he saw the switch was for him, was the greatest feeling in the world! He said "wow, I didn't think I was going to ever get one!" So I think a PC is in order.... earlier than planned because mom has been bit by the PC building obsession virus! 😂😂
I know the feeling! Best wishes on the builds (:
@@PCBuilderChannel thank you so much! :) still deciding, but I think I want to go i7-12700K, the Z690 boards look GREAT!
Will you do one for the i7 13700k?
For the 13700k you can use this guide, just go for the 240mm AIO or high end Air coolers linked in the description
AND REMEMBER - Update your Intel Management Engine drivers BEFORE flashing to the latest bios to get 13th gen support. I didn't do that and my B660 board was unable to see my PCIe4 SSD w/ Windows 11, even though it had no problem booting w/ the 13600K. Can't explain it, just know it happened.
You're in-depth reviews, guides and recommendations are amazing, thank you for the work... as a PC "noob" it's really helpful.
That's great to hear! So glad we could help and thanks for the feedback
I got yesterday Free a msi z690 pro i7 12700f m.2 512gb Samsung SSD 32gb ddr4 ram 😎👍
Man, I just threw a pcpartpicker list together for the first time in like 3 or so months, GPU prices went back up again. I was in the market for 3080 12gb's back when I was checking a ton and they were around 7-800$ usd and now the 3080 12gb I want is upwards of 1300$. Real shame, because I am finally at the point where I've saved up enough to start looking again, but I'm gonna be stuck waiting for prices to come down, or maybe I'll have to save a bit more and start looking at 4080's, because 1300 for a 3080 seems silly when brand new 4080s are in that range.
3080s, 3090s and even 3070s are selling out. Is there a reason you can't go AMD? Unless you do a lot of video editing they are much better price to performance options right now for gaming
Just go with the 6800 xt, they are 550-600 and perform just as good if not better than the 3080. If it’s just a AMD thing than go for the 4070TI for 840
Purchasing a 13600k and a rx6950xt. At first I thought it was going to be to much CPU but it looks like I made a decent choice. I was only looking to spend around $600 on a gpu so I decided on the RX 6950XT instead of the rtx 4070. Good to know maybe in a few years throw a 4090 with that cpu and I can upgrade my 1440p rig into a 4K monster. I also had to upgrade my mobo because I am coming from a 2060 super and a i5-9600k.
THank you for all your hard work you're my #1 go to pc builder channelg that gives solid advice !
Appreciate that thank you!!
I have this 13600k love it. paired with rtx 4080 Gamerock OC for Mainboard i choose: Asus Rog Strix z690-A gaming Wifi with 32x GB DDR5 6000mhz G.Skill RAM /white build
I love you how make and edit your videos so professionally and just makes me so happy. Love the hard work you put in.
Thank you so much! It makes our day to hear this and we appreciate it!
i think this is the first time you have have done a Premiere,
Good job on the videos btw.
We've done it with a couple of "news" videos but this is the first time with a "regular" video. What do you think? Do you like the premiere format?
@@PCBuilderChannel not really.
Can I use a B760 motherboard with the i5 13600k
You can use it but what I've heard is with k cpus always getting a z series motherboard for tuning voltages and overclocking speed is better. On b series it will run but it will be hot i heard. Again I read all this stuff on Reddit. So
It's a bit disingenuous to suggest only video editors should get a K model and everyone else should get KF if it's cheaper. There are many benefits to troubleshooting GPU issues by having a processor with an integrated GPU that make the extra $10-$15 worth it. A couple right off the top of my head include a faulty GPU right out of the box. Imagine finishing a build and you get no video output, an integrated GPU will help you discern that the problem is in fact the discrete GPU. Another example is a bad VBIOS flash. You can recover your GPU if you can boot your computer with the integrated GPU. Otherwise this video was very solid.
Really nice and informative content for completely new PC builder. I can actually understand and get valuable information from these videos.
Ended up with below setup (thanks to this and multiple other videos in your channel):
GPU: MSI VENTUS 3X OC GeForce RTX 4080 16 GB
CPU: Intel Core i5-13600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z690 GAMING X DDR4 ATX LGA1700
Memory: Kingston FURY Renegade 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16
SSD: Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME
Case: Lian Li LANCOOL III RGB ATX
Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280
PSU: Corsair RM1000x (2021) 1000 W
Let's hope it POSTs once updated the BIOS and assembled :D
So glad we could help!!
oh man this video helped a lot, I've been banging my head all day Sunday speccing a gaming PC.
Regards from Beirut!
So glad we could help! Hello Beirut!
@@PCBuilderChannel thanks you for replying. Also i saw that you helped the people affected by the latest earthquake in Turkey and you donated to the food banks. We were woken up by the quake at 3 am and it was a horrifying experience even though we’re 400 miles away.
I also just subbed to your channel, i finally specced my PC and i’m gonna get it this weekend, spent way over my 1200$ budget😬. Thanks again.
Dear Jason, I'm planning to build my new gaming PC for 1440P resolution. Here's the build I have in mind:
GPU: RTX 4080 16GB
Processor: Core i5 13600K
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Pro
RAM: DDR5 5600MHZ
SSD: Samsung 980 PRO SSD 2TB
Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB
PSU: EVGA SUPERNOVA 1000W G6
Case: CORSAIR 400D Airflow
Can you please suggest me if it's ok or should I make any changes in it. Thanks 🙏
maybe wait for the amd 7900xt or 7900xtx to see how it fares again ur 4080, both much cheaper than 4080 too
Some challenges here: Cooler is way too small. Rewatch that section. I don't love 5600 DDR5 vs DDR4 3600 CL16. It's both more expensive and I fear you won't see any uplift (possibly go backwards if the timings are too loose). Samsung Pro 2TB is expensive, consider a cheaper gen 3 drive instead and put that money into better cooling. Couple of tweaks and this will be a good build.
@@PCBuilderChannel Thanks Jason ! Really appreciate it.
The intro of this sounded like a Shark Tank pitch lol
I have a serious question... Should I choose "Kingston Fury Renegade 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 3600MHz CL16" instead of G.Skill Ripjaws that you put on your video? Can you explain me please what's the difference or if its equal memory ram?
There shouldn't be any difference. I think he just put the cheapest DDR4 kit he could find at the time of recording in this build.
@@kelley09162 I'm asking for the difference because the Kingston Ram as "16-20-20 timing" with a "First Word Latency of 8.88ns". The G.Skill Ram as "16-19-19-39 timing" with a "First Word Latency of 8.89ns".
In my country the Kingston is slighty cheaper than G.Skill. And I want to know what's the difference in perfomance between them or if is better choosing the Kingston ram instead of G.skill for this i5-13600kf build :) HELP ME xD
@@joaowoow oh okay. I'm not sure about that but I assume the Kingston RAM will perform well.
Always better to get the k vs kf on any cpu - its only a few bucks more and if you ever have a problem with your gpu you can still boot up and have a display for troubleshooting.
what is the best gaming pc for a budget of 3k ?????
I'm always curios about 4K streaming as DDR5 might see a benefit on that scenario...
CPU might show low usage during this things but memory does some extra job rendering those encoders for the game, camera and others things.
Also how it might impact loading of heavy textures on real-time scenarios like using a speed-hack and running all around an open world at 4K (Horizon Dawn, GTA, etc...)
God, what a explanation. You really made it easy to decide which components to buy for gaming pc.
Thanks to you 🙏🏽
So glad we could help!
thank you a lot for your videos, need to build a new PC for work and gaming, didnt follow the scene for too long you made it so easy
thanks again
I actually started the channel because I returned to pc building after a break and wishes their was a channel to get me all caught up! So glad we can help (:
I’m glad i found this channel. I need to upgrade my ancient i7 930 lol
I'm about to build a new PC here in Germany and I find your videos very helpful, especially since i kinda got hyped on the i5-13600k as cpu for the system.
Since I'm not the classical Gamer and mainly play high calculation power consuming games like Paradox Titles, Humandkind,.. but want to also be able to jump in more graphical intense games here. Apart from that i want to use the pc for office stuff and probably for some youtube video production.
So I planned to save a little more money on the GPU and get a GeForce RTX 3060 Ti instead. I felt like with calculated wattage on PCPartpicker of 480W, I'd be finde with a 750W PSU in this case. On the other hand, i would've gotten 32 GB RAM, and since the prices for the Gigabyte Z690 Series are almost the same, and the difference between Kingston Fury Renegade 32GB DDR4-3600 CL-16-20-20 and DDR5-5200 CL40-40-40 is only 30€. Am I still overspending on the RAM here? I watched your RAM Video as well as the Z690/Z790 Video as well and learned a lot, maybe too much to process properly :D
Thanks a lot anyways, great videos
Well did you changed something? I'm about to build pc as well so I'd like to know if you changed you mind on something. I feel like i should go with asus rog strix B760-A wifi because the overclocking won't change a lot and I could save some money there.
@@negus5534 It's running very smoothly and i can't complain so far. Went for the Z690UD with 32gb ddr4 ram and upgraded the gpu a bit more to a rx 6800.
I don't know anything about the mainboards, but after watching some videos and comparing for a bit, i focussed on the gigaby z690 series very quickly since they were not much more expensive than the b660 series and seemed to be quite nice.
@@rumsinsfeld3663 I went for strix b760-A wifi. I5 13600k is not rly worth oc and in my country there's no non-K. I'm building it soon
would you recommend a 850W PSU on a 7900XTX with a intel 5 12600k without a water cooler or should i get more Watt ?
I learned a lot from this video. It's great help for someone like me who's new at building their own PC.
We love to hear it, welcome! Hope you keep enjoying the content! Check out our How to Build a PC 2023 video for more!
I mostly don't know what mobo to get with 13600k. I'm building my PC now and I plan on keeping my PC parts for 4-5 years or so and game,and work on 1440p. So I've been debating on getting with z690 ddr4 , since I have 32gb 3600 ram, 13600k with my 3080 vision oc gpu. I figured that getting ddr5 board and ram wasn't too worth it currently and that in 4-5 years, go with ddr5 but I'm not sure.
Mostly because I don't know if it's more that the mobos need the improvement for ddr5 to be much better or the ram itself.im not too tight on my budget , but also don't want to needlessly spend so I want a good overall value while also not feeling like I'm missing out on a lot and leaving it on the table.
i run the 13600kf and a 6800xt with 32gb 3600mhz ram without problems on the gigabyte b660 gaming x. ddr5 is not worth it, especially for gaming.
Agreed, some people are blindsided by recommending to future proofing by using the more expensive DDR5.
Great explanation, will be coming back here Winter 2023 when intel 14th gen and amd 8000 build. Also subscribed and thumbs up. Needed these type of explanation since its been 14 yrs since last build.
Glad you found us and thanks for the sub! Best wishes on your new build!
This video is awesome! I'm confused by all the different options as I don't have a lot of knowledge. I've always just bought pre built laptops. I want to build a custom desktop and your information and explanations are excellent and easy to understand. Great channel. I'm going to delve into your other videos. Cheers!
So glad we can help! Check out our PC Parts Explained 2023 video if you haven't yet
Im actually upgrading to a 13600k but I also need a new Motherboard with it but that is what im really struggling with to find what's best for the 13600k. I am going to keep running DDR4 since I dont find the small gains worth enough to pay 120ish EU and replace my current 32GB DDR4's what board would you recommend me to get that's fairly priced and optimal for the 13600k? (If it's important im running a 3060ti but this one wil hopefully be replaced at christmas)
Hi Jason thanks for the video! I just have one question.
I have an i5 6600k, and it's definitely time to change it. I was thinking to upgrade to a i5 13600k while staying in ddr4 for now, but the question is, my 650w 80 gold plus (EVGA supernova G3) power supply is enough to power the 13600k and my gtx 1070? (I will eventually change power supply with the next GPU upgrade)
yes, undervolt the 13600k and no issues. but you really need a 3080 or higher
Looking upgrade my 4 year old cpu since my 3070 is often underutilised, this video was really helpful cheers!
So glad we could help!
This will be my next build after i am searching info for a month. Thank you.
Glad I could help!
Thanks man, you have solved almost all of my problems.
We love to hear it! Glad we could help (:
Thanks for reviewing, Just did my storage a week ago (20 TB so like 27 total I feel much less anxiety). Just but either I wait for the new X3D or see what deals Black Friday/Cyber Monday brings. I really did have much anxiety about running out of room before. Though I want to hit the CPU next likely in the next upgrade.
That is one great cat.
The cat agrees and says thank you :)
Great video for me to build my new pc.
Any recommendation on ITX motherboard for Intel i5 13600K?
Hi Jason, I see that you have paired a z690 aorus ultra ATX motherboard with a 6400 DDR 5 kit. Isn't that a problem because on the specs of that particular motherboard the max ram is a 6200 DDR5?
That's the base speed of the Ram, but every kit (as we say in the video) you'll want to activate the XMP profile to enable overclocking. That's the thing people forget to do (;
Just wondering, why is the cost $0 for several of the parts?
Remember we are comparing platform costs, that's CPU, RAM, Motherboard, PSU. The other parts are there as guide posts.
Most people aren't going to see any difference between DDR4 and DDR5 in performance. DDR4 is cheaper though currently. Though I think Intel for the future 14th gen is going DDR5 only in the future. If future upgradable is a concern for you buy a DDR5 motherboard for 13th gen and then in the future you will be able more easily to move from a Z790 DDR5 board to a future Z890 DDR5 board(or whatever the next gen chipset is going to be called).
I brought the 3060 ti with this cpu I hope it’s all good and plays great 🤞🏼
DeepCool AK400 ZERO DARK. Even in extended load it does not allow it to exceed 80°, on a day-to-day basis it keeps it at 32° to 34°, without problem. Highly recommended.