A Live Action Ski Podcast about using your Ankles with Keri Oaks
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- čas přidán 22. 03. 2022
- Keri is a fellow ski instructor, I consider her a mentor of mine. Her expertise in the foundations of coaching and movement philosophy are built on over 25 years of experience.
Though we are both PSIA level 3 Certified, Keri has her 20 year pin to one up me. I hope to have my 20 year pin 19 years from now.
Keri and I originally set out to make a simple video about improving skiing via the ankles. What we ended up doing was filming over an hour and a half worth of skiing and chairlift rides making the editing process next to impossible.
So, what did I do? I kept al the skiing and all the relevant conversation and made it into a live action podcast.
We poke a bit of fun at "Subtaler Joint Rotation", I want to be clear, the term is used correctly by other ski teaching videos and we both see the motion expressed as important.
You do not need medical degree for ski teaching and learning however so we move right into the skiing.
We demo the movement of the ankle on dry ground in our ski boots where I reference the Australian Style. I like the Australian style, but it is just that, one country style of skiing. My skiing style is fundamentally different, to each their own.
• Sub-talar joint Motion...
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• 3D joint motions of sk...
The Italians had a great video on skiing with the ankles, its not in english but both Keri and I like it.
• Il tennis e una sequen...
Outstanding vid. Great info on gear... glad we found this channel!!!
Fantastic dialogue here!!!! Thank you so much guys and gals!!!!!
You two are having way too much fun! Maybe you need to add some old leather lace-ups to mix😀
Great video! The link to the Italian video is wrong I guess. It talks about the upper-body and skiing with a tennis racquet..
Very nice video. Very nice demo of SkiDad btw.
I was a beginner - intermediate skier from Argentina. I see and hear everything about this sport. Local instructors always insist that to ski, turn and even walk you have to do it with your shins pressing on your boots as if you were holding a playing card so it doesn't fall. I never heard anything about ankle twisting. I would appreciate it if you clear my doubts about this. I apologize for not speaking English correctly. I use Google Translate.
A long...long...long... time ago (1974?) when I was still in high school, my first part-time ski instructor experience was at Berthoud Pass ski area. Herb Hyna was the ski school director using Cliff Taylor's GLM (Graduated Length Method) of teaching. The instructor as well as the student used the skis. I had two pairs of skis in the GLM style of teaching. The first pair was about 90 cm (about 3 feet), the second pair was about 140 cm. In those days my slalom skis (Dynamic) were 203-205cm and my GS skis were 207-215 cm. My how things have changed, as my slalom skis now are 165 cm and my GS skis are 188-193 cm. I think. GLM worked well. It kept the usual mistake of beginners of stepping on the other ski and having a twisting forward fall which has destroyed many a knee. Although humans are bipeds our usual motions in skiing are more monoped like in most of our skiing. So as students move up their length of skis they get the idea that crossing one ski over the other (unless doing javelin turns) is very dangerous.
Keri is a very good skier but she is washing out in the turns. It looks like she has an A-frame at the end of her turns. I would suggest she gets canted. She should try the carv system on her normal skis and see if she has equal edge angles in a short radius turns. I think Ski Dad purposely keeps his legs togtherr to stop washout. Remember these beginner skis they are using do not have high torsional rigidity ski like racing skis have, so they already have a propensity to wash out.
I have skied in racing boots for many years. I now use an Atomic Redster World Cup 150, which can be pretty stiff. Keri is using Redster's as well but I'm guessing a Redster CS 130. I have skied over the years in overly stiff skis boots that almost guaranteed a locked ankle. With plug racing boots and I'm the boot fitter, I have made my ankle flex just a little more. Now my ankles give just a little for that subtle ankle movement. Unless you really are a "tinkerer" and are willing to add and subtract pads, tape, cork compound in Zipfits, tongues, footbeds, and grind your boots; you may miss that perfect fit. No wonder why Marcel Hirsher had twenty pairs of ski boots that he rotated depending on many variables that change from race to race.
I am GLM Certified and have the cert pin .
@@yrrab73056I was certified GLM back in 1978. Full cert. RMSIA in 1983. ( Now PSIA-RM. ) I used to see Cliff Taylor coaching skiing at Copper Mountain in Colorado. He has since passed. He contributed a great deal to ski instruction.
Also good example for chemtrail timelapse. Sky ends up with the unmistakable hazy layer of nano particles, like a thin uniform white wash sky blanket.
Great video!
I'm currently thinking of getting some shorter 70 to mid 80 Carving Skis to just improve on (carving) technique, especially on bad days. And then, when out with the kids or just out for fun jump on the wider Skis again. I have the feeling that it would just improve on some general behaviors and stance while skiing.
Do it! I think 80-88mm is the sweet spot
Do it! I have learned a lot by buying and trying lots of different skis at ski swaps, and one of the best learning experiences was buying some short, narrow Elan World Cup slalom skis with extremely tight turning radius. Those skis made it very entertaining to reputedly turn on a short hill. They did tire me out.
@@bobdavis2689 yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Something carving focused but also a bit forgiving to not go too nuts.
@@skidadTV Thanks - Was thinking to keep it under 85, a good carver but not too punishing.
Might just try some rentals on the January trips to have some dedicated carving training days.
Tom, those Elan slaloms were 65mm wide underfoot; 12m radius as I recall.
Keri is the BEST. We spent time ski touring with our dogs, hiking the Uintas… and she is SOOOOOO SMOOOOOTH on snow.
One of my favorite ski buddies!
So, great information. But I'm still confused about the difference between moving the FEET and moving the ANKLE. For example, when you were doing the two chair exercise, I could see you moving your feet through an arc. But you didn't talk about ankle movement. Sure, the ankle moves when the feet move. But what about flexion and extension. When, where, how, why?
The ankle maintains balance of the body over the feet. In general, The ankle flexes at initiation, remains solid through the turn then extends through completion.
I am beginner (maybe mid level beginnings) very interesting video (although i do not understand all :) )
Happy to answer any questions. Hopefully it pushes you in the right direction
@@skidadTV I am from country without success in alpine skiing. "Schools" various country are slightly different. What do you think about plow turn, tipping ski (ankle), up inside leg (on the trasition phase)? Everything on the intermediate and beginner level (adults). In my opinion kids learning that is another aspect.
I am a big fan of the wedge Christie drill. Everything starts there. If you want to send me video of your skiing or your kids. I’m happy to look at it!
Don't listen to that BS about movement coming from the ankles. Your feet are locked up in stiff shell of the boot and there is no way your ankles can turn there. Flexing of your ankle on the other hand is quite possible and very useful but also depends on the flex of your boots. All comes from your knees, which have the freedom of moving in any direction and they are responsible for the movements while turning your skis. Anyway, good luck in learning and have fun on the slopes.
@@ziggymatuszewski2803I think that your conclusion is incorrect. It is not about movement, rather it is about muscle tension (carving turn). For slide turn enough rotary and little topling but I am in discovery stage.
Beautiful skiing
Why do Americans never put the safety bar down when on a chair lift?
Freedom
hmm... stupidity might be an answer
I do.
Great video dude. I love the podcast style conversation about the ankle joint and skiing. Don’t listen to the haters
Thanks Zak
Send me some video JB I m happy to take a look
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Young blood....haha
Hmm.... ankles ? I have heard so many experts saying that same thing but my personal experience says No, it is not ankles it all comes from your knees. Ankles are locked up in stiff shell of the boot and there is absolutely no movement possible to do in that locked up position. Ankle flex on the other hand is something quite important and that also depends on your boots flexion . the stiffer the boot the less flexion is possible. Knees on the other hand have all the freedom of the movement in all directions and you can do whatever you want to.
My suggestion to any skiers is to check their own movements and see for themselves what is working and what is not working for them. "Experts" tend to tell us what they have been told and often that is not quite correct.
This is a common nit-pick I see in these videos, but thinking about the ankles, regardless of the amount of movement (there is some) is helpful for feeling the turn. Foot pressure changes throughout the turn, from ball to heel, and we visualize that as a movement within the ankles. Furthermore you then focus on the knees and claim, they have "freedom of the movement in all directions and you can do whatever you want to" when this isn't true. Where most of the movement actually happens is in the hips. The knees are less limited than the ankles but are still limited - you can't do a squat in ski boots without sitting your hips WAY back. We are rarely taught to think about our hips, yet as I mention, this is where the greatest degree of freedom is in the lower body? Why? Because it starts at the feet.
You can bend the knees and still be in the back seat.
Guys,, put down the safety bar.
It gets in the way of the shot…
You're thowing the tails repeatedy, not really carving in the slightly steeper terrain.
You can do that on any ski. You are not really performing carves. Sorry.
That is the secret to why my skiing looks good Harry. Stop hating and try it for yourself
He is also stepping and has his skis to close together needs to carve more.
You mentioned “”flicking” your ankle is that dorsiflexion, or planterflexion. At the bottom of the turn heading into transition would the flick mean opening the ankle planterflexion?
The flick is actually an edging maneuver. I am flicking my ankles to the inside of the boot.
That is the dominant motion. In addition to that large inside move, there is a rotational twist to engage the tip of the ski. There is also a slight dorsiflexion pulling the toes up into the top of the boot to link the twist and edging moves together.
@@skidadTVThanks for the reply have a great season. (As we pray for snow)
Don't go any faster
Ankles don't move!!!What a lot of bull💩
When you flex you boot and the plastic squeaks, is that not a clear indication of movement?
An ankle is a joint, what means ankles were made to move, except if you put them inside reinforced concrete shoes.
In skiing, you need these ankle subtle moves (up and on side), they make the whole difference.
Nothing comes from the ankles, they must stay absolutely still, buried in the boots.
Absolutely agree with you, they are selling BS
Who is “they”
@@skidadTV The ankles.
Did We ever ask you to get off the heals did we ever ask you to tip a ski. It all starts with the ankles. If your ankles are locked up so are your legs. Yes they are in ski boots really stiff ski boots but they still need to move. Any pressure on the foot of your boots … it was your ankles.
@@AlpineMeister
That's not correct. Your ankles do not move at all, absolutely still. You only flex your knies and above all you move your legs in their hips pockets.