Why OVERSTEER is Faster than Understeer (the ULTIMATE answer)
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*"Now, oversteer is better, because you don't see the tree that kills you."*
Top Gear ❤
What a reference ❤
A bit unrelated but I find it helps, if you're one of those drivers that's sort of "shy" about oversteer, I recommend to spend a little time learning drifting. Doesn't matter if you get good at it or not, but it really helps with your confidence.
I might actually try this lmao
Can confirm, I still cant drift at all, but just messing around on the parkinglot track in AC with a driftcar rly helped me in ACC to correct midcorner
I was gonna comment this myself, I've been saying this for the best part of 2 decades, "If you wanna be fast you HAVE to be comfortable with the rear end stepping out and develop the instincts to react, control and manage oversteer."
To counter understeer you HAVE to slow down, and slow down to a MUCH lower speed than the ideal corner speed in order to regain control, compromising your speed right up to the next braking zone.
To counter oversteer you lift a tiny amount of the pressure off the gas pedal and apply opposite lock, throttle modulation is vital though for this to work, lift off completely and the rears suddenly bite, the fronts lose lateral grip throwing the nose across and you spin out in the opposite direction. Either that or all 4 tyres lose grip and you slide off track.
We're not talking full bore, freestyle, smoke the tyres drifting either, instead you want the contact patch to creep gently away from the apex.
Sound is your guide, you want that low, constant moan of scrub coming from the rears,
When the tyres begin chattering you've gone to far and the carcass is in a bite and release cycle, the contact patch grips, the tyre wall leans beyond the limit of it's elasticity and snaps back causing the contact patch to suddenly lose all traction, typically you get this happening in a left, right, left, right pattern essentially meaning only one side has grip at any given moment, halving the total grip of the rear end and HELLO SPINOUT!
Finesse on the gas pedal with balanced traction control (where available) really lets you lean on the rears, letting you JUST over-rotate the car.
I use all of this quite well in this vid, watch the TC light and throttle gauge and LISTEN to the tyres. Almost every corner you'll hear the constant moan of the rears sliding.
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It's not an easy thing to learn, this is where mastering drifting is a massive help, you learn PRECISELY what's needed to control the slide and, more importantly, how to exit the slide, how to smoothly transition from loss of grip without any snap. Instinct takes over and thought goes out the window.
I learned all of this drifting in Race Driver Grid. Like this.
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Used it along with insane levels of spatial awareness to do stuff like this in Dirt 3.
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When car control becomes pure instinct instead of "Oh shit, oh shit, oh SHIT, F**K!" you end up able to do stuff like this just for shits n giggles..
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I CAN'T AGREE MORE!!! I learnt how to drift before because i cannot prevent spinning. I wanted to make the car under control so the idea of learning drift emerged from my mind. Then i progressed it and finally i found even thoungh i could not drift after several hours practising, i can control my car much better than before.
Definitely, I started with Rally and drifting before I did circuit racing at all, made me spin a whole lot when driving on the circuit but atleast I felt comfortable doing it hahah
I'm a physicist, and every time I see someone trying to explain the physics behind something, they're totally wrong. But you did it precisely and correctly. Congratulations man.
Agree
I agree with you. This video is a good one but I find most driver coaches' explanations completely wrong on many points. The explanations work as a way to get drivers to do the right thing but are just rationalisation. It annoys me when these rationalisations are described as race car physics by people who clearly have no real understanding of the physics behind vehicle dynamics. My qualifications for being on my high horse? Bachelors Degree in Physics, Masters and Doctorate in Engineering and career as an engineer, much of it in the motor industry. So there. ...... 😀
You physicists always think you're right about everything, when the very units you rely on to be right are non-sensical and arbitrary.
Totally agree with you as well! - Mechanical Engineer & GoKart Instructor
@@bjornolsson2561Íslendingur??!?! Það er nú meiri tilviljunin
“If you think this video is too long, start reflecting on how much effort you’re really willing to spend to become a better driver.”
Damn Suellio not mincing words here. 🔥
I used esports setups (VERY oversteery) and it made me get some bad habits like holding 5-20% throttle before the apex to stabilize the car. I got understeer just before the apex and it took me longer to get to 100% throttle because of it. After a coaching session (not with Suellio) and 3 days of practice I reduced the gap to my coach from 2.8 to 1.8 seconds. I highly recommend to not just blindly force yourself to use oversteery setups just because it's "cool", because you may thing you're getting better but develop bad habits that are very hard to correct later.
If you think 17 mins is too long then you need to uninstall TikTok. Another banger video my man 😎
My break is only 15 minutes long...
I always end up leaving the Tab open and watching it again later... 3 more times! LOL!
TikTok is brain rot.
Whenever your drawing explanations start coming out, I know I’m about to really learn something! Love it.
This video came in the right time. I started trying Touge on Assetto Corsa and I was just having this exactly feeling. The old and good slip angle
Best place to notice your progress in touge is corner 1 of Akina, it's such a weird corner and trail braking with make you SO much faster!
@@ofnir123yeah. It's not a slow corner, but if you go a little bit faster than you should, it's done. You will crash
None of you’re video’s are too long! People wanna be good at something and not put in the work..
i love watching you’re video’s i learned a lot! Thank you
The ellipse diagram was absolute gold, this was probably my biggest driving issue. I'd always rotate a ton on early entry but be under the limit mid corner. this literally allowed me to go from 2:19 to 2:17 at spa iracing in the 296. Thank you Suellio!
You're great at explaining these motorsports concepts! That elipse concept/visualization is exactly what people are talking about when they refer to a driver having short corners.
I hope you do a video on dampers and spring rates at some point! It's something I'm still trying to get my head around. Frankly, you could probably make an amazing video on setup creation in general.
Also, I find a lot drivers dont account for weight transfer enough, and especially when it comes to factoring in elevation changes into their mental model of the car when cornering. They drive like they are always driving on flat ground.
Excellent video man!
12:25 i recognize that corner, it's in Bowser castle 1 in Super mario kart !
Suellio your content is top notch and very understandable. Enjoying the real life racing too and seeing you explain these racing issues is great.
The drawings help so much, thank you!
I bought your book last week and soon I'll be your student... I'm 63 yo but I love learn about driving ever!
I just can't relax my hands, and i know i have problem, but it's just imposible, when i think of it i relax, but after only 30 seconds i squeeze that wheel, and waiting to brake it one day :D
I just recognized that the "late exit" is the problem for me to fix (somehow, perhaps I could use those lessons). I love this!
Oh man, BIG thanks for your video, i'm not native speaker of english language, but your clear voice and subtitles helps me to understand everything you say in the video, great work.
Love these videos! Would also like to see a video from you on what different techniques and tips you picked up from different books youve read
That’s me totally! Full wing with a safe setup on ACC. Time to get to work. Thanks Suellio!
great video. sim racing togue and drift taught me to not fear oversteer. you get very comfortable with predicting loss of traction and how to correct.
Thx again Suellio your are the best driver and coach for me
I always love oversteer setup.
Great video! I have ordered all of your courses.
Just the video I been waiting for 🙏🙏
i havent been playing any sim for the past 3 months. thanks for this video. i might actually go back and do some more sim time. this video is like a review of what i mostly learned previously but i just forgot about it.
you did amazing at barber!!!!! keep pushing, yoyr gonna go so so so far!
man keep up the amazing work
Awesome. Thanks man. Sebring, T1, R8 Evo, oversteery setup. Gotta fix it!
You mentioned everything correctly, the lighten up the steering plays a huge role ''let the car go where it wants to and don't upset the weight transfer'', it's about preventing the car from over steer, in my opinion is that with over steer there is more room for error and you are handling the car with the throttle too instead of putting all the load in the front tires, so you can go a little faster. Since I was a little kid I always went into rally games so it was something that came naturally.
In the first 2 minutes you described EXACTLY what i experience when racing with my logitech g923.
It's gotten to a point where i barely wanna touch rwd cars on some games, because i can't keep them under control and i don't know what I'm doing wrong.
I'm gonna try hard to implement everything you explain in this video!
Helped me a lot thanks
When I was racing in open setup series, then I was always going for a neutral setup. It was taking a long time to perfect it though.
It's such a nice feeling when you have the acceleration in line with straightening the wheel up on exit and the trajectory arc "opens up".
I may have been using the wrong phrase prior to this, but what you have called "neutral steering" I have been thinking of as being "loose". It's not bad as in drifting or sliding (then there is "no feeling"), but there feels like there's no actual steering application, the wheel feels light / loose, like if I move it one way or the other then it would "bite" and make something else happen that I don't want. There is defo room for minor corrections because of that though, just a touch will bring it back onto the line you want.
Thanks for this open and free intel Suellio. I got your book, really good read, haven't finished it yet!
I've been trying this in assetto corsa with mostly the mx5 cup from your previous videos and it was a bit tricky at first knowing the balance between understeer and oversteer but now that I know it, the car gets so much rotation without losing control its crazy
There are good drivers, but good driver with good teaching skill is quite unique! Good job!
You know one thing bro, you are one of the rare people who share true information and advanced techniques which no one discloses for free like posting on CZcams... This video is really informative and very helpful to understand how aliens race...
Thanks man you are amazing !
really helpful video!
Have never seen such a detailed explanation on how to drive oversteery cars. Great coach
thanks man!
Great video, really well explained and the illustrations were really simple and useful.
Oversteer is faster because minimum speed tends to be higher, and throttle application tends to be earlier.
Trail brake to the point of slight oversteer then apply throttle to achieve neutral steer at the apex and power through the exit 👌
In F1 23 I feel like the current setup I have really emphasizes this. Corner entry is pretty much all brakes, then once I hit the apex I can feel a little bit of understeer from the fronts, and that's when I start adding a bit of throttle, and the rear starts to rotate more than the fronts. That plus the weight transfer from going from braking to accelerating usually unloads the fronts enough to deal with the extra rotation, and then it just becomes a battle of not giving so much throttle input that I end up losing the rear before completing the corner.
I also wanna say I agree with the people saying drifting helps, especially if you take the time to learn to steer with the throttle while drifting, because it really helps you understand what that line between sliding and cornering feels like, giving you more confidence on throttle in race scenarios.
In a free body diagram (one with forces) you draw the vector of the force, aka where the force is pushing the car. By pointing a force into the corner you’re confusing things. The car is being “pushed” to the outside of the corner and the tyres are counteracting this. On oversteer the front tyres force is pointed into the corner while the back tyres force is pointed to the outside of the corner.
That's incorrect, the tires are always forcing the car towards the inside of the corner, otherwise the car would be turning the other way. What you're describing is the forces caused by inertia, not the forces exerted by the tire
@@SuellioAlmeida It's hard to explain in a youtube comment but basically since the rear tyres don't move their velocity vector is the same as the direction of the tyres (forward). The movement of the car is dictated by the sum of that velocity vector and the inertia acting on the car (to push it to the outside of the track). That's why in oversteer the rear tyres fly out behind the car, because the inertia acting on the car overcomes the friction caused by the tyres in contact with the ground and pushed the backend of the car around.
The rear tyres don't force the car towards the inside of the corner, they provide friction which counteracts the inertia. The friction of the tyres against inertia might seem like a force towards the inside of the corner but without inertia there is no friction and the friction can never be greater than the inertia. It's why you'll never see a car oversteer with the back wheels going to the inside of the corner (without some wacky steering inputs or banking etc.). The back wheels will always want to go to the outside of the corner with friction of the tyres and the engine rotating the tyres to move forward counteracting this.
I'm sorry for the big write up, I hope that explains it.
@@OCinneide I have always imagined a tire trying to pull the car towards the inside. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. If the weight and inertia of a car is trying to push the car wider, then the tires are pulling towards the inside to counteract this. They HAVE to, up until the point a tire can not pull anymore and sliding starts, at which point the weight and inertia are exerting more force than what the tire can give, but the tires are still trying to pull the car towards the inside of the corner, they always are.
@@nvstewart gravity is pulling the car down to the ground, friction is halting the inertia of the car and then the engine is providing force to push the car forward. No real force pulling the car to the inside of the corner.
@@OCinneidewhat about the elasticity of the tyre's rubber? it is being deformed laterally through a lot of energy input by inertia towards the outside of the curve, and that rubber is trying to come back to it's original shape so would that vector point towards the inside of the curve? Or is there no force in that process? I'm geniuenly asking out of curiosity, not trying to be a smartass here.
The straight line is beautiful metaphor. You see the steering wheel shifting the car balane one side or the other keeping the rear and front at limit...
Soo good! ❤
I come from a competitive athletics background and made a living participating in sport for 10 years. The difference I find between Suellio's courses and others in the sim racing market is the level of coaching you receive.
The Checklist not only teaches high level understanding and technique of how to go faster, it teaches you the mental aspects of racing and progressing yourself as a driver.
So stop strangling the steering wheel and relax 😉
My 1st sports car was mid engine Fiero that had plenty of snap oversteer but it got me use to spinning. Next had ‘88 Mustang and with tire technology at the time was a drifting beast. Find open parking lot preferably with snow or open gravel road to practice. A good car will let you know what it’s about to do before it happens. Absolutely would recommend a BRZ/GR 86 that has great balance & communication with enough power to practice but not so much to punish mistakes dangerously.
Did try an Abarth for hot hatch experience and understeer. Man mid corner tapping the brakes would force it to rotate but I almost needed to change my underwear.
Wow, this actually is the same principle on jet fighter of "relaxed static stability", to make them turn faster
And their solution to spun out? Faster reaction time! by computer! (FBW)
But there are also fast drivers who prefer understeer, like Alonso, Hamilton, Kimi , prost and others. Hamilton said that undesteer allows him to have more grip in the back of the car to be faster in the corner exit.
the drawings get better and better every time :)
I can't believe this is free
I always said a little bit of oversteer is preferable, so long as it's manageable.
@SuellioAlmeida I would like to purchase your book, but I am wondering if you have an audio version of it? Im on the road a lot and don't have a lot of free time to read books.
Just watching your free CZcams videos gained me a few seconds per lap, and I would like to show some support.
The Senna PWM technique for throttle input is kicking the rear, inducing oversteer and stopping it faster than a human could react to catch it, but you get the retroactive feedback of adjusting your PWM cycle that is within a human’s reaction time.
intriguing
Finally got an account and it course I subscribed and liked! Love your videos Suellio, they’re very informative and really helpful for my sim racing improvement, you wouldn’t believe how happy I was when you got a podium! ❤I just have one question, I can’t really afford the motor racing checklist I don’t exactly have $200 that I could spend that easily lol but I think I can get the motor racing book. Is there not much difference between them or will I not really be able to improve to the best I can with only the book?
I’m already spending £350 on Logitech G Pro Racing Pedals (Im not changing the G920 wheel tho) so I kinda want to improve a lot
Suellio, I think there is one big middle man that hasn't been explained here (not the theory of driving itself, that part is in depth and very much clear)... Why most of us are "afraid" in sims (be it iracing ACC GT7 etc...)...
The wheels. The blessed middle man that is connecting us with the virtual car. The wheel itself. This part hasn't been addressed... At all. I've been looking everywhere for information and all I find are practically "guesses" and some personal inputs that specific persons got used to over hundreds of hours...
Where I'm going with this is... Understanding of what the steering wheel is actually telling us... What all of that FFB means... This in most cases is critically badly and poorly configured. Most of us don't have any clue what is the correct setting to start learning and we just slap on someones settings who has decent amount of views or "likes" but more often then not their settings are WRONG.
Be it logitechs G29 series (g29, 920, 923) or fanatecs direct drive or thrustmasters belt driven... Quite different force feedback hardware engines and it's literally THE ONLY thing that actually connects us to the sim itself and in most cases settings that are configured are entirely wrong and causes us not only to not understand why the car is doing what it is doing... But that we are so focused on wheel not going berserk (be it slamming on a cerb or just going fast over a minor bump on the road while steering etc...) we just tend to drive "safe" and understeery.
Is it possible for you to perhaps try to make a video or series of videos for different wheels, what the force feedback is trying to tell us and what do the different force feedback sensations actually mean?
Before understanding the actual race theory and how to handle the cars... We need to understand the wheel we are racing with first... But everything is vague about the racing wheels and in almost 100% of times if I search about configuration i'll find information "default FFB is WRONG!" "why you are slow >> default FFB configuration is bad!
a way used on rally to make an understeery car oversteer is the scandinavian flick, maybe doping it just a bit could make you faster on understeery cars
8:51 btw I have noticed that a lot of guides are basically teaching you driving more proactively (predicting instead of reacting). It is quiet obvious and not hard to understand, but you actually NEED to understand that.
Know you car and track, look further into a corner, look for clues on a track (cones marking corners, corners distance marks, even that tree that just around where you need to hit your brakes). With human reaction time you won't be able to do anything without predicting. 30 meters per second is just above 100km/h, human reaction time is about 1/7 - 1/5 of a second. So your car on 100kph will go at least 4-6 meters before you even start moving your foot or arms. And then you need to move your limbs, then car needs to react to this...
And that's what is hard with oversteery cars, IMHO. If something goes wrong - it goes wrong fast and big. It is much more stressful and disorienting, when the world around you starts spinning like crazy all of sudden. Compare it to understeering - nothing happens, literally. Car just continues going forward, you perception is completely fine with the world going like it was going before
I would also add that understeer on exit that widens the arch is very often due to throttle being applied too early it changes balance to the back, or makes it neural making fronts grip lower so you simply both not cornering enough, nor accelerating as efficiently out of the corner. Most often it feels like you open the throttle to 40%, but it's too early, so you go back to 20% trying to correct sudden understeer, but it doesn't help, so worst case you failed your exit worst case you have to blip on break to try to rotate the car into the corner.
The solution, well, try to start you acceleration just a split second after you normally would. Even if it will be a split second off the perfect one, you would still win a lot of time on average. Eventually you'll learn the perfect timing.
This kinda collides with the Driver61 vid that says that both exist and F1 drivers prefer either or, driving both equally quickly. That said, what you say makes complete sense. Once I started trying and working with oversteery setups a while back, I immediately found laptime.
I would add that I think most people would an interpret a setup with neutral steer as being an oversteery setup. As 50% of the time there will be understeer which is comfortable, but 50% of the time there will be oversteer which they struggle with.
I feel like im starting to know how to trail brake and i can easily use it to force a slide. However, there is a car in project cars 2 wich i still cant control. Its the formula C wich i find so unpredictable. One corner it understeers and then the next corner it oversteers to where its beyond catching the car.
Btw: your tips for racing style efen helped me in controlling my drifting on the wheel in carX drift and somewhat in gran Turismo too
8:00
I am used to driving with a controller as a kid and i have had to learn myself when the car would do what, so i knew when to catch it as i had no ffb
Can you do some videos on ACC Been struggling on that game and i would be interested in some of the techniques of driving for example does inducing oversteer still work with the much shorter trail braking phase?
visual question, for ac
Locked steering wheel, or not locked?
It helps me to try to turn the car earlier towards the apex but I never know when to accelerate asap and I find a lot of drivers faster than me on the exit. The setup also plays a lot
whats a good track/car combo to practice this?
i've never driven on a wheel (getting one soon) but even on controller oversteer has always felt better to me, i find that i have more control over where the car goes when i'm being oversteery, understeer is very predictable but it makes me feel slow around corners, apparently it actually is!
Im a gt7 racer about to get into iracing. Would you say that gt7 is realistic or do the cars feel totaly different?
Yep. Mid engined rwd cars are very balanced. Just comparing BMW M1 Procar to E30M3DTM. M1 has 2x the power and torque but behaves comfortable on every corner. You can oversteer and understeer as You wish, while M3 is nervous all the time because its inertial centre of mass is far away from its turning pivot point which is more or less between rear wheels.
Lewis Hamilton has sayed that he prefers Understeer, in the end it comes out to preferences and what are you more comfortable with. Another F1 leyend, Alan Prost, also prefered Understeer.
man i love ur content, i play f1 23 i'm under 1 second from esports player but idk how to gain more, do u know any very good coach who can help me?
Boa Suelio, bora marcar um track day e aplicar a teoria na pratica com um Apezao e um Honda em Sebring. Preciso baixar 3s naquela pista.. Bora kkkkkk
What camera do you use inside your helmet?
The amount of time I have put into light hands and how much it’s helped. And reduces hand strain aswell.
Weird. I never really "knew" how to do this the right way, but I'm realizing I already do exactly what you say is the right way to take a corner. I already prefer slightly overteery cars to safer ones, and j already take corners the proper way, naturally I guess.
now use a set up like that on an RGT category rally car on snow, you will love it
Suellio, I'm really curious what your opinion is on this. I don't know that works the same way in the real world (though I suspect it would), but it definitely works in iRacing. In times where I find myself with unexpected over-rotation and I missed my chance to catch the car with countersteer, I've had a lot of luck with saving the car by sharply turning the wheel INTO the corner to induce understeer and balance out the car. It definitely costs you speed and time, but when the alternative is a hefty repair bill/waiting forever for repairs, I think that's fine.
Man, the part on inertia was like a light bulb moment for me. Incredible video
My duty 🫡 thanks man!
I just started iracing on fixed setups but I can't really tell if they're oversteery or understeery setups. I just learn to drive the car in practice and accept whatever it is and try to push for neutral steer. I'm looking at the mountain of learning setups and feeling overwhelmed so I just stick to the fixed setups.
Bom dia, tarde ou noite Suellio, comecei recentemente no mundo do Simracing, coisa de 8 meses. Poderia me dizer quanto tempo pode levar para se tornar algo do 0?
Being "ahead of the car" rather than "behind", aka proactive and right rather than just reactive, is the difference between making a lot of corrections on a qualifying lap vs being smooth and still being faster. That's what we saw between Gasly and Verstappen in 2019, and Perez and Verstappen last year. This year, Perez seemed to have stepped up a bit, just focusing on lap times rather than Max.
So how to get an oversteery setup? 🤔
Thanks for sharing. To me, I fully understand this, but the question is what techniques, practices, and how to spot oversteer to practice that.
But we always miss mentioning speed and the road's inclination.
All that is in my online course! Elevation changes, camber, exercises, inducing oversteer, inducing understeer, tendencies depending on corner stage, etc
@@SuellioAlmeida you seem very knowledgeable and have good experience 👍. Just an advice is try to share more. Let people learn more from you and this will trigger people more to take the courses. Perhaps the videos will share good knowlege, and a part on how to practice the knowlege to develop the skills; the courses will focus on addiitional practice techniques.
This inbound marketing, and the videos are engagement phase. Some successful marketers give 70% or more during this stage. The remaining 30% happens during the course. Clients will be perfectly fine because the entire value delivered covers both the free and paid parts.
@@imad1996 Bro I have 800 videos posted on IG and 400 here
@SuellioAlmeida is true, and I watched some. I mean for the new videos. For example, do a new one or what to adjust when going down or up. As we know, this is tricky as the center of gravity of car changes. Most drivers do over steer when they go down as more weight shifts to the front tires.
@@imad1996 I have some being edited right now! I try to balance my upload schedule between educational and real life content. Thanks for the feedback man ❤️
Is it possible to oversteer predictanly on the xdrive?
Existe planos pra todo esse material em portugues? Eu tento explicar pra meus amigos de equipe td que vc fala mas eh dificil assistir e traduzir pra eles 🥴
I might have missed it, but I didn't hear a mention of tire degradation which I think is why most F1 drivers prefer understeer. To my understanding any corrections you have to make are both potentially lost time and unessecary tire wear. Over the whole 100 miles physically having the strength to consistently correct or hold a perfectly smooth line isn't faster than having advantage with pit overtake and consistently putting down the time. That being said for most types of amateur racing oversteer is more than a couple tenths faster per lap so oversteer is preferable. F1 cars have fundemental diffrences in driving style because of the massive downforce and power that makes them really uncomparable to anything else. We can see even very talented regular-car racers can struggle when put in F1.
haha my problem is the exact opposite. I'm too unafraid of the mid corner rotation and I'll push the limits of how aggressive i can be with my pedal limits too far, so I'm most likely to spin right near the apex
I wonder if Carlos Sainz could benefit from that video 😅 I remember that in Beyond the Grid podcast in 2022 he said that he prefers understeery car than oversteery and that's why he was fast in McL, because it was more understeery than renault that he had before.
What’s your opinion of F1 drivers like Alonso or Checo that uses understeer setups and they are still fast drivers?
Why udersteer is slow unless your are Alonso
Babe, wake up, Suellio Almeida just uploading a video that will help me gain an extra 3 tenths in iRacing!
The beginning where you talk about someone using someone else’s tune and getting upset reminds me of a race back on Forza 4 with a racing group in teams of 2 and I was using a 2008 Acura ARX-01 and he wanted to use the 1992 Peugeot 905 each with our own tunes to see who’s car was being used since neither wanted the time tuning to be wasted understandably. I won by a healthy margin, he complained a lot during the race again and again and finally I pointed out to him that as much as he hates it as a team we were in P2 and P3 and ended up finishing that way and winning as a team, he finally shut up about it after that lol.
My tunes(although maybe not this one because all the downforce) tend to be oversteery but it makes it easier to rotate the car some. Just thought it was funny sorta lol
Pls make a vid of how to control perfectly the mazda mx5 in iracing plssss, im struggling in the rookie series 😔
Practice. Simple as that.
The MX-5 is arguably the most difficult car and series to master. 80% of it is being smooth. To be smooth you have to anticipate the cars behavior, and to do that you need seat time. 😊
I'd just like to clarify something with you. In a real car it's normal for their always to be a compromise with the driving position yeah? There is no such thing as the perfect seat settings just the most optimal you can get. Do you think this is true?
This reminds me a lot of how Adam brouillard talks about racing. Especially the spiral entry and tire forces sections.
and that is where it goes wrong, progressive steering should only be used in slow corners that require trail braking. This concept is incorrect for medium and high speed corners where constant radius is faster. Great driving is more complicated than a single technique for all corner types. Even in slow corners a progressive turn-in lowers mid-corner speed, you are better off trail braking less and maintaining as much radius as possible, you can progressively unwind the wheel on a slow corner on exit but it's faster too keep the radius as much as possible on entry (you can brake later and carry more speed through the entry to mid-corner with the same exit (from a higher minimum speed)... hence, faster
@@chronodriver can you better define “less trail braking?”
Trail braking is a tool to kill understeer and create neutral to mild oversteer “rotation” on entry. It is completely variable and up to the driver how much load is ideally transferred to the front at corner entry and beyond to point the car most efficiently to the apex. Rather than have the “soft ellipse” entry that inevitably tightens the mid corner (costing you minimum speed) I am suggesting keeping radius on entry so we don’t pinch the apex which is slower and simply trail brake less so we don’t get excessive oversteer (just the right amount for efficient rotation) and carry more speed in and through to the apex. I usually like/share and approve of Suellio’s videos but he is wrong here, it will do what he says about preventing snap oversteer but his and the Perfect Corner way is slower as a result. As mentioned any of this “spiral” stuff is slower except for corner exit of decreasing radius tight corners, that is the only place it doesn’t cost you speed/time. If you want to understand further read the Skip Barber book Going Faster and my book Optimum Drive 👊🏻🙏🏻
@@chronodriver I’ve read and watched a lot of the skip barber stuff, as well as all of Ross Bentley’s books and several others. Is that the Paul Gerard book?
I’m far from an expert. how, if we are creating a relatively perfect arc across the corner, are we able to power out of the corner? It seems that unless you are getting sufficient direction change prior to apex (which define similarly to how Adam does, or suellio’s MRP) we won’t be able to “add speed” to the arc because we are already at the limit as we cross apex. I hope that question makes sense.
@@tylerrussell9217 yes, I am Paul Gerrard. The Skip Barber is reference is specifically the Going Faster book. Progressive steering in is slower since it makes the corner radius tighter at the apex area which minimizes apex speed. A wider arc in that has a constant radius to the same apex point allows you to have a quicker entry and faster min speed at the apex. As I have mentioned you should never steer in progressively but you can progressively steer out (but only in low speed traction limited corners). This is vehicle dynamics 101 line stuff so not debatable and why I’m surprised progressive steering is being proposed and a viable option, it is not, like progressive braking… it is simply a bad habit
Fernando Alonso watching this video🥱
This is why Keiichi Tsuchiya preaches a e-brake in ff cars. Get a lil rotation.
The argument is pretty much the same as "would you want more power although spinning will become easier". Why would you not want that.
Tell it to Jim Clark and Alonso xD