Does Creatine Cause Hair loss?
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- In this episode of Talking with Docs, join our doctors as they debunk the widely circulated myth linking creatine supplementation to hair loss. With scientific evidence and expert insights, they delve into the truth behind this misconception, exploring the mechanisms of creatine metabolism and its effects on the body. From discussing the role of genetics to clarifying misconceptions about creatine's impact on hormone levels, this episode provides valuable information to help viewers make informed decisions about their fitness and supplementation routines. Tune in to learn why creatine remains a safe and effective supplement for enhancing athletic performance without the fear of losing those luscious locks.
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Save you the time. Creating doesn’t cause hair loss.
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I’ve taken creatine for over a year and have a full head of hair at 76. My maternal granddad had a full head of hair at 96 and I thank him every day.
Thanks for sharing ! Did the creatine help you ?
That's how genetic works.
@@TalkingWithDocs The creatine took his life shortly after he wrote this
I think the problem is with men with family history of baldness. Creatine may accelerate baldness. If you don’t have genes for baldness, I guess creatine won’t cause hair loss.
Lucky dog
I’m 55 and have always had a full head of thick hair. Because my dad lived to 74 with a full head of hair I assumed I would be like him. But last year I started taking creatine not only as a way to maintain muscle as I aged (I’ve always worked out) but also because of the purported brain benefits. About six weeks into it I was shocked to start seeing my scalp when I got out of the shower. Several weeks later my hair loss became extremely noticeable so I started thinking about what could have changed in my life and the only thing I could think of was the addition of creatine. I stopped taking it and my hair loss has stopped. People swear creatine doesn’t cause hair loss, and it may not in most people but it seemed to cause hair loss for me.
Yes, within a year of taking creatine I’ve noticed my hair thinning considerably
@@teddyboo7843Same for me. So much comes out when I brush my hair on Creatine. It could be more strength during workout = more testosterone = more DHT = susceptibility to hair loss???? Devastating as I want to take it.
I take creatine, a month later my hair falls out fast. I stop, a month later it stops. I have repeated this several times as I really believe in the muscle building potential of creatine. I know this is just my anecdote but be aware that I’m not the only one that experiences this and a lack of evidence does not make something untrue, just unproven.
Ive been using it for 2 years now ,never faced any hairfall
@@zoro9503 I know a lot of people who use it without issue, I'm just one of the unlucky few.
How much grams were u taking
@@MsszShimae-maemaeivey 3g daily.
I took it in 2023 for about 7 mos. and experienced Hair Loss Alllll Over my Body and when I stopped it a Few Months ago, My hair Started to Grow back Fast on my legs, chest, head, grown, under arms etc...Currently, I do Intermittent Fasting and Have Increased my weight lifting and stamina...
Creatine definitely worked for me. I stopped taking after getting a successful hair transplant and taking hair loss medications. My surgeon recommended stopping taking creatine.
Wow, that’s crazy hearing it from a doctor. When I told my doctor my suspicions around creatine, he derisively told me to stop reading fitness forums online.
The doctor I’m referring to specialises in hair transplant surgery, aftercare … I found normal doctors to be quite dismissive regarding hair issues or advice. I tried to get a script for fenestride using a dermatologist, I paid for this service, only for him to refuse on the grounds he didn’t specialise in ‘hair’.
Docs don't know shit half the time. They mostly take your money to give an advice in a very confident manner, basis some research they read somewhere. Beyond this, its all a game of "Well, different results for different ppl"
@@lga8791so you really faced hair loss due to creatine?
im a 22years old male and ive bean taking 10-15g of creatine sometimes everyday and their are times that I dont for a month and heress my experience. Once I started taking creatine, after weeks of taking it ive noticed that my hair is not growing like the usual grow, it grows very slow. I have very long hair before, and after a week it grows very fast even though I just had a haircut. Now after I stopped taking it for financial reasons, Like 2-3 months my hair growth went back to normal. Thats why Ive search this topic because I heard of a some "news" that It will cause hair loss and Ive remember my own experienced from taking it. for me I didnt loss my hair but it delayed the growth. Maybe certain person experience different effects but it will somewhat connects to your hair.
I’m 34 and taken creatine for a year and haven’t had hair loss. My grandpa had a full set of hair until he died. This is a great informative video.
Glad you liked it
What brand do you use? Thanks in advance for your reply
So the important findings are not relevant to you lol. For people who are susceptible to hair loss, the study showed more hair loss in those individuals, so it has (in limited cases) been shown to accelerate hairloss.
@@leosantiago773 sorry I just saw this. I use nutricost
I had a small frontal receding hairline. I had a hair trasplant 3 years ago and started dutasteride till the date. Worked really well. Last year i started taking creatine again and started noticing that my hair trasplant got thinner and thinner, ain't no way trasplanted hair becomes thinner since that hair doesn't have DHT. I read that a small study many years ago reported that some rugby players who took creatine, their dht serum levels spiked. I decide to leave the creatine about 3 months ago and all the lost hair grew back and thicker. I know it's a personal experience, lowest evidence level however leaving creatine helped me grow back my hair.
I'm flat out just not gonna take creatine, my muscle building genetics are good enough to carry me without it and I'm prone to balding because my dad is bald, not worth the risk, I know the studies indicate it doesn't cause hair loss, but I've read WAY too many posts on forums and comment sections from people's personal experiences that describe them losing hair quite rapidly only months into taking creatine.
Agreed I’ve taking it 3. Times I’m 22 for some reason every time I took a month or so and my hair started to thin each time
I take creatine, and have not suffered air loss. There is a difference in my muscles and i have improved memory recollection.
I'm sure your lungs are very happy about that.
Thanks for sharing !
@@lamorenalindacopswife 😂
what about hair though?
What brand do you use?
I, too, am "hair-challenged".😉 I've never taken creatine, but I'm definitely genetically pre-disposed. I started losing my hair as a teenager. It's tough when you're young, but I'm OK with it now. Thanks for the video!
Thanks for sharing !
It’s absolutely true. I lost my hair to Creatine. Good for body, disaster for hair. Wish I had never tried it.
THIS is the comment that i wanted to see. I will do it maybe when i'm 50 or something. Nobody needs to look at me anyway at that age. Besides, the likelyhood of me reaching 50 is slim considering all the micro plastics is in our blood and our world leaders REALLY like war.
@@schonkigplavuis8850 I am 54 and I don't like this comment :-) they NEED to looks at ME damnit!! hahaha. have a great day. I think I suffered some accelerated hair loss with creatine as well, many years ago.
I've taken creatine since they first introduced creatine back in the '90s before it became creatine monohydrate. I've been using it just about everyday. Still full head of thick hair
I was taking creatine in 1994 in the product Cybergenics weight gainer that stuff was rough ,ppl don’t realize how easy they have it today . Lol
As usual, thanks to you both for another great informative video. Really appreciate the time you put in to these. Jimmy from Ireland.
Thanks Jimmy! Love Ireland ! Wonderful place.
I’m 62, taken creative pre workout for 10 weeks now, have a full head of hair with a double crown, am lifting heavier and have had no hair loss, it’s a win,win for me.
Maybe a coincidence, but I started losing hair after taking creatine for over a year. I was probably going to lose my hair regardless, but this probably excelerated it.
I used to take pre-workout with creatine in it back in high school and maybe that explains why I’ve lost so much hair since that time. I no longer take any creatine and my hair seems to be just fine. No hair loss. All in all, i think I’m ok with normal muscle growth, taking a regular protein supplement, and i get to keep all my hair.
I take creatine everyday but I also do Minoxidil and derma rolling. No hair loss.
The benefits of creatine outweighs hair loss but I counter the possible hair loss by doing the simple routine of doing Minoxidil right after I brush my teeth twice a day.
Only takes a minute.
I do the derma rolling once a week. That only takes a few minutes. Well worth it for just a little extra time. 😎
Derma roll with what needles length? Only on balding spots or on whole head?
Only problem now is if u stop taking minoxidil your hair is gonna fall off faster the before u started. So your stuck doing this for life
How do you clean it?
@@cristokow552 1.5 mm, whole head
Nahh I just started creatine 1 month ago AGAIN and I'm having hair loss like crazy AGAIN. Trust your own body guys.
Starting taking creatine regularly at age 57, just about the same time you guys publish that other creatine video. Still have my hair and I’ve noticed better muscle development . Also I have my very skeptical wife talking it as well for muscle and cognitive benefits as well.
Thanks for sharing !!
My hairloss greatly accelerated after creatine use back when i was 23. Interesting.. i had never heard of this before.
Well, to be fair, that is around the age men susceptible to hair loss start to lose their hair. Strength training also increases DHT. So, it's pretty hard to pin that solely on creatine. I honestly think a lot of these creatine hair loss stories are confirmation bias.
@@elastichedgehog6339 we'll never know at this point.. at least in my case.
I’m on Creatine and my hair has fallen like 50% in a couple months. Stopping today.
Did you grow back your hair after stopping creatine?
@@bhargavkrishna4207 tbh I believe it has improved enough to see less scalp. I think it’s getting better now that I’m off it. My workouts haven’t gotten that bad either. I have less pump and strength, but more endurance since my pump is less intense.
@@bhargavkrishna4207 yes bro huge improvement, new hairs started growing and shading improved thanks to it
@@bhargavkrishna4207 so yeah man F creatine. Workouts are harder now but it’s not too bad. Getting 80% out of my body now in comparison to being on creatine getting an extra 20%
Yes, did you grow back your hair?
I started taking creative at age 72….just a few months ago to slow muscle loss. I do workout a lot. Luckily I didn’t gain weight. I do have hair loss but I had hair loss way before I started creatine.
Would you not want to gain some muscle mass? If you still have newbee gains in the tank, even at 70+ you can still build some muscle.
The dated study you referenced plainly states a 40% increase in DHT levels after loading. DHT = hairloss correct? Drugs such as finasteride work to decrease DHT levels in the body, and creatine might do the opposites (based on this dated study). If you are going to debunk this study, you should link concrete examples to support your claims. Also put links to the additional studies you mention!
I REPEATED THIS SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH TWICE! READ THIS!
9 months ago I did DHT tests before and after the creatine and glucose loading phase according to this scientific study:
before creatine loading phase: 495.5 pg/ml, after 7 days: 413.8 pg/ml. The score went down!
Now I repeated the test DHT together with testosterone (T):
Before loading creatine: DHT - 403.2 pg/ml, Testosterone - 5.29 ng/ml
After 7 days loading creatine: DHT - 504.6 pg/ml, Testosterone - 6.66 ng/ml
In reaserch study with rugby players, there was a 56% increase in DHT after 7 days, and testosterone did not increase.
In my personal case, my DHT increased by 25% and testosterone proportionally too by 25%, so it is logical that DHT will be higher. As we know from many studies, creatine does not increase testosterone.
The tests I were performed at the same hour.
In two attempts I have already disproved the study linking creatine with an increase in DHT.
My DHT 9 months ago was the same before the loading phase as it was in the second attempt after the loading phase. However, in the second i checked my testosterone. Apparently due to other factors, my testosterone increased, so DHT also increased proportionally, and anyway, the increase in testosterone and DHT was 25%, not 56.
My DHT has been between 400-500 pg/ml in four laboratory test over 9 months, regardless of creatine.
Omg it’s yes or no
4:25. NO
Thanks for watching
Since I am taking creatine ( few months) I start losing my hair massively.
So I stopped right away it’s been one week .
NO MORE CREATINE EVER ⛔️
Me too no more creatine only protein
@@Stayfocused99 Exactly ! BCAA and OMEGA 3 are good supplements too without side effects
What's the update? How's your hair now? And what brand of creatine was it?
Did your hair grow back fine or no?
@@splixx3827 Actually few months later , it’s at the same point , there can be many reason but the increase of DHT level must be the cause . I think if you have a predisposition, taking creatine will accelerate the process of hair loss as it improves your results, but keep in mind doing regularly fitness even without creatine will increase your DHT , so you will loose your hair anyway. I am taking at the moment herbal MEDECINE to promote hair growth
Why do bees have sticky hair? Because they use honey combs.
That’s awesome.
I took creatine years ago and starting having huge hair loss which stopped when I stopped using creatine... Not sure why health professionals say creatine "does not" cause hair loss when it has never been studied... just the few studies checking for testosterone is not enough.. there could be 10 other reasons why something could cause hair loss. Testosterone is not the only cause of hair loss.
Did it “heal” after stopping the intake ?
supplement industry is huge
I’ve been taking creatine for 1,5yrs consistently and haven’t seen any change to my hair. 🤷🏻♂️ my muscles are way bigger though, feels great. Also feel more focused although that may be attributed to other factors.
What brand do you use?
I’m convinced creatine caused hair loss for me in my twenties and each time I’ve taken it since. I’m not sure though, whether it’s the creatine directly, or the increased performance in the gym, pushing up testosterone and DHT levels.
So does your hair grow back when you stop taking it?
@@mark2073 maybe, but I don’t think it ever fully recovers, maybe comes back a bit thinner. I’m 40 now and have a mild recession and thinner hair at the front after probably 20cycles and some periods of 6months solid taking it. I’m definitely more cautious if taking creatine now and lower the dose to 1.5g. I’m a good responder to creatine though and if I wasn’t I wouldn’t bother at all.
One thing about creatine I’ve never felt comfortable with is the way it’s nearly impossible to dilute in water. I always wonder what it’s that doing my gut and kidneys, hence why I would never take it anymore for more than 6 weeks without a break.
Golden age bodybuilders, all had hair.
Now, no one does.
Either everyone is more susceptible or they're taking something that the golden age didn't have.
I know for me personally, creatine destroyed my hair. Stopped taking it and it greatly recovered but never back to the original levels that I had.
I've taken Creatine twice in my life. Both times hair proceeds to massively fall out by the 2nd month.
I wouldn't take the risk! Hair is more important than going a marginal bit of muscle size!
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I hope you change your song. Muscle loss is real
Yes, it raises dht levels especially in men with male pattern baldness, so creatine will make hair fall out yes!
I sweeear when i was about 22 I started using creatine and loved it - after about 8 months I noticed my hair getting brittle and I felt like it was thinning out. When I looked it up I saw there was that paper on the rugby players and no-one else really talking about it. Since stopping creatine that problem went away.
That's interesting. Evidence is very weak but hey whatever works.
Great video you two! Appreciate the research and wisdom!
Our pleasure!
Taken creatine off and on for about 10 years. About 2 years straight currently, no hair loss for me at age 33
Tried creatine at 38 years old with stabilized hair loss thanks to finasteride.
Hair started falling again after 2 weeks despite finasteride.
Stopped right away.
Hair stopped falling
You don’t need studies
DHT also increases the size of your prostate
Don't ask Will Smith hahahaha, OK I subscribed !
Thanks !!
Took creatine, started losing hair within a couple of weeks. Hairline went back an inch in front and way back in the corners.
Stopped taking creatine and hair loss Stopped after 6 weeks. Then started growing back a couple weeks after that. Im in my 40s.
No history of hairloss in the two previous generations.
It seems to affect some folks, despite the lack of evidence in the literature.
Ive read many similar stories where hair comes back after stopping creatine.
Yes there are reports for sure. Just no studies. Glad it came back
@TalkingWithDocs oh my gosh, so am I lol. And thanks!
I like to go by a principle to minimize the consumption of isolated, concentrated nutrients such as creatine. I follow the whole food-plant based diet and ever since just follow the concepts since it helped me a lot in general. My principle, like many, doesn't have scientific basis with a lot of data but seems reasonable.
Very reasonable !
I would like to hear what you have to say about female pattern baldness. I am struggling with alopecia. I have tried several treatments including scalp injections of cortisone, lotions and oral meds. Do most people see a change with these treatments? I didn’t and stopped injections and oral meds but stuck with the lotion. Could my hormones be out of whack? How much can stress play a part?
If you are genetically determined to go bald, this could accelerate it.
No wonder that paper wasn't reproduced, there is huge money in supplements and it is not in their interest to scare away their target audience.
Well they did the research again it just didn't have the same findings.
I took it for about 7 mos. and Yes it can and did cause me to Loose Hair, Allllll Over my body, when I had stopped taking it, I started to Regain hair Alllll over my body. So looking for another Supplement, that wont Cause Hair Loss...Thx
I think based on the comments here and on each video about the subject, it appears evident that creatine accelerates hairloss... For those having the gene of hairloss it greatly enhances it... For those that don't, it doesn't.
Simple.
Still have all my hair, been taking the stuff for years and turn 50 this year.
Literature on male pattern baldness is "sparse" 😅
Or patchy!
Creatine gives me energy to walk much more, lift more frequently, sleep better. I've actually lost weight due to being able to double cardio and superset, drop set 2 of 4 weekly lift sessions.
It does lead to hair loss, from my experience
Thanks Docs, blessings.
So if someone at the age of 30 is already having hair fall or hair loss. Can they also consume creatine. Wont that increase their DHT level ??
The amount of DHT increase you see from creatine is less than you would see from rigorous exercise. Up to you though
I’ve been taking creatine for over 20 years and I have a full head of hair at the age of 43 with no signs of hair loss
VERY helpful. Thanks guys.
I’ve been taking creatine since January 2024 and it’s been great no hair loss. It’s definitely all genetics and diet related
No it is not.
As a runner/swimmer, is there any benefits to creatine? Been feeling my age as I get older (just hit mid thirties) and I'm looking for something to help with workout and recovery. Thanks, Doc(s)!
John investigate animal based meals. Me age 60 feeling years younger and sharper too! Many animal based say “I wish I’d started earlier.” Now’s your chance!
Related question. Started creatine for the aging benefits almost 1 yr ago. Have repeatedly found that if i take more than 2g a day, I have trouble sleeping. Any evidence to support that experience? 59yo woman. Exercise 5-6 days a week. Fit. Also have hypothyroidism well controlled. Ty.
Not sure about the evidence. You will likely still get some benefits at 2g
I’m thinking I’m getting this too. I had trouble sleeping and stopped creatine, and my sleep is good now. I might try again just to confirm
Creatine gives you more energy in the cells so it might trick the body into thinking it doesn’t need as much rest fir some . I work out on it so the energy is used up ,2 grams isn’t much so it’s probably genetic or your taking it later in the night ? I sleep easily even on caffeine at times ,taking creatine at night helps muscles recover faster but it might effect ppl differently ?
Starts at 4:20 thank you.
I loved Creatine it improved my performance significantly but I also noticed my hair falling in the shower like crazy. It stopped when I stopped taking Creatine.
Did it grow back?
@@mark2073 i put gel on every day and my hair is not as thick as it used to be. The hair loss has stopped tho.
Definitely increases the Hairfall rate
Red meat has creatine in it and it’s about the best thing to eat for you. (Organic and grass fed obviously)
Nice video. Ive always heard that creatine is one of the most researched supplements and the benefits far outweigh "risk". Even heard the water retention people worry about is usually very minimal and balances out? Anywho, i take it nearly everyday with no issues! Thanks again for the reassurance!
well if it raises dht which causes hair loss then dosent that mean creatine causes hair loss? even if its just for ppl who have the baldness gene it still causes them to start balding prematurely after taking creatine.
My hair has been growing normally , I’ve been taking it for a year already no issues
OK, so here’s my situation. My CK level has been above 700 and at one time was 4200 and I was hospitalized. K level constantly been going up and down at the lowest 700.
I do not work out. I do not do drugs. I don’t do anything strangest. And I see multiple doctors and no one can figure out what’s going on.
Hair loss in patches, but it's growing back in. What causes this. Thanks
that is telogen effluvium, a condition caused by stages of high stress to the body let that may be an infection, poor mental state, poor nutrition, lack of sleep, etc. Although the stress needs to be considerable for it to happen. TE is mostly of the times temporal and it fixes itself after your body is not suffering from the stress anymore.
I think it's not so much creatine but the longer/stronger stress you can put during workout is possibility
Been taking it for like 6 years and im 28 now. No hair loss, but everyone in my family has alot of hair even in old age.
I’ve taken creatine for five months now and haven’t seen any signs of balding.
Make in detail pictures of your hairline and then do it again in 1 year, i started noticing after over a year recently comparing to old photos, had 0 hair loss before taking it and now i need a transplant
I take Creatine and haven’t got any hair on my palms
🤣
I recently underwent a hair transplant and I’ve been advised to stay off of whey because “there are studies” that suggest whey causes hair fall. Would appreciate if you cover a video on it
Whey protein only helps hair, because hair is made of protein. About creatin im trying to find out… doctors say it is not bad but we see lots of people saying it is. Im not taking creatina only beta alanine.
Adding: What I understood was thar creatin Will make u train harder and Will elevate the testestorone levels, testosterone turns into DHT that couses hair loss. In short, we are fucked
So the question is can topical dht blocker will prevent hair loss while you take creatine !?
It doesn’t cause hair loss in everyone. It accelerates it with guys with a more aggressive Aga.
Sir, i had alopecia areata 8 years ago but it self stopped after damaging my crown area for 3 years. And from then it's inactive. Can i take creatine regularly or try to take test dose for 2-3 days
Please give your opinion it matters alot for me
Hair or muscle loss 😂 do I have to pick 😂 ,,,,,,,,,it’s always moms fault😂😂😂😂,,,,, take your caps off ,, next video,,, and let’s see what you’ve got under them 😊
They clearly aren’t healthy doctors look at them
Thanks Guys. I was worried it was going to cause hair loss. Startinf today now!
Good luck. Let us know if it works for you !
What is the difference between creatine and creatinine?
before and after
Creatinine is the by product of excess creatine getting broken down , some suggests it’s bad for the liver but I’ve been on it since 1994 and have never experienced any organ problems , creatinine high levels is supposedly not good but I don’t really believe that ,I still cycle it anyway every couple months ,creatine stays in the body a month after you stop .
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I’ve been taking it for a few years in my mid-40s. No hair loss here.
F’ck it I’m not risking losing my hair. I just purchased it today to start taking and I’ll take the monetary loss.
Taken creatine for over 10 years. Not a single hair follicle lost.
My data supports the hypothesis that creatine promotes healthy hair.
At 66 still got head of gray hair … supplementing with creatine .. but … WTF is up with eyebrows … still black and seem of be on growth steroids ..
Don’t even know what to say to that !! Thanks for watching
Been taking creatine on and off for 12 years. Nothing happened to my hair, I also didn't gain any hair. The DHT increase from creatine is very small, so if you really get hairloss from creatine, you are ultra sensitive to DHT. You would probably be balding at an early age (30-40y old), just not AS early as with creatine. Thank your parents :)
Can creatine be taken with Finasteride to block DHT ?
Dont try finasteride. Its the worst drug ever.
I use Creatine for years now, i Never lost any hair.
I just bought a new creatine, a different brand and it's causing me to lose my hair rapidly.
Can you do a video on the "grounding sheet". You are supposed to ground your body and get better sleep...
Hi Guys. Im on antiflammatories Arthrexin n Flexicam. Hair falling out alot. Does Biotin and Silica help? Thanks Pam
Yes biotin def helps
Thanks Pam
Working out harder produces more DHT, creatine allows you to work out harder, therefore more DHT.
yes, but, only if you use it. I hope that helps!
Hi Awesome Doctors, is it possible to look into Castor oil and inflammation, specifically for RA, OA and Tendinitis please? Thank you!
Hey. I stupidly took 200-600mg of DHEA for over a year. Is there any damage that could have caused? Especially neurologically?
Yes, based on the poor grammar encountered in your comment, it appears there has been neurological damage. My apologies to you and your family. Take it easy!
Time to book a flight to Turkey for hair transplants.😅
Seems to be the thing to do.
Been taking creatine for a month, sos far so good! Both my Grandfathers had full heads of hair. Must be a genetic thing. I intend to continue taking creatine for muscle gain and recovery. I’m too old to worry about hair loss anyway. Maybe, it could be a healthy lifestyle as well🤔…?
Hlo doctor see i have a question am already talking finasteride 1mg so if i take creatinine is there a possibility of hairloss
The research says no
@@TalkingWithDocs could you point me to the research you are referring to please? Or do you refer to the lack of research?
Im a sickle cell patient can I take Creatine???? please answer
Hold up, I thought creatine was really good for you....as a general supplement. Ive been thinking of getting some...but not if my hair is gonna fall out, wtf? I dont have a genetic precursor to baldness. What are the chances of this if I start creatine??
I've been taking 3-5 grams a day for a year. No hair loss here.
i lost my hair when i started taking creatine. but my brother also lost his hair and he never took creatine. so i guess it wasn't the creatine.