3 Reasons NOT To Buy The RAM HD With The HO Cummins // Update On My First Aisin Service!
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- I got my Aisin service done about 8 months ago and this is an update on the cost and what was completed! || Like || Subscribe || Share || #JBReviews #whowork
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Good points for discussion bro. I don’t regret my 68 RFE for a second. I deleted and tuned in my truck at around 7000 miles if I recall correctly, like an idiot I know! However it’s closing in on 90 K and I have had no issues at all with it. And my only regret is going for the cushy ride of the 2500 as opposed to just getting a 3500.
Thanks for sharing this, most people hate on Chrysler transmissions but I have owned 5 with chrysler trans and no problems whatsoever. Some of those were company cars and they were too cheap to do any of the transmission changes lol 👍🏾🇺🇸💪🏾
@@JB_WhoWork At work we have 13 Dodge/Diamler/Fiat /Stelantis or whoever they are currently going by 😂 vehicles ranging from 7 to 2 years old and the transmissions are all good.
Most of the negative feedback is from people who never owned them 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork or people who modify the snot out of the motors and expect them to hold up.
Yup, all you have to do is go on the forums and some guy has crapped his pants because his trans won’t shift out of 3rd lol
I've had 2 different powerstroke ford's, a Chevy duramax and a older 6.7 Cummins. My 2021 Ram HO Cummins with Aisen is by far the strongest pulling truck out of all of them.
If I had the money, I would still buy the Cummins 6.7.
Wife got on board with getting a 5th wheel and I was shocked but I told her I would need a diesel and she basically told me to head to the dealership.
😶😐 Completely Speechless 😂
Now if I could only find a random suitcase of $70K lying around the house......
😂😂😂
😂😂😂 Run to the bank before she changes her mind! These prices are tough, I still haven’t gotten over my sticker shock 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork Trust and believe, as soon as the prices "try" to come down, I'm going to bring a sleeping bag to the dealership lol 😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Got my ho last night dually 4x4 crew big horn for 75k. Was 85 .. ram can't sell no 2500 or 3500 right now due recall on the 68 trans .so they give me the big horn h.o 3500 dually for same price as a 2500 big horn
I traded my 2020 Ram 68RFE and got into a F350 6.7, I can tell you I already miss my Ram. My Platinum has a few rattles already, and the interior isn’t a huge step up from the Lariat. But I really miss the sound of the Cummins and the low end torque under 1500 rpm the Ram had over my Ford. I will say the Ford is amazingly fast and the Cab is way more spacious.
Thanks and I agree, the Lariat is a tough trim to beat for the money. That’s why the LTD never made sense to me unless you wanted the baddest Ford SD you could get 👍🏾
The cab is the the main reason that’s keeping me from trading in my F250 for a Ram. The next reason is that my F250 is fast.
Fit and finish on Ram's are much better than Ford, but I love my F350. They both pull great, but the Ford rides better unloaded and it pulls my trailer easier.
Ram needs the 1500's cab on the HD's
Is your F350 limited to 88 mph like my 2022 F450? My truck is “quick” but not fast.
Traded 17 f350 for ram 3500 and miss my ford period.
I investigated this very issue before custom ordering my Ram 3500, which also included talking with a transmission specialist church buddy of mine, that advised the Aisin is expensive to maintain and repair. I also investigated the 68RFE and discovered that most of the time, the reason these things fail is because of overloading due to HO tunings and/or much larger tires w/o changing the differentials, or towing too close to (or over) the 20,000lb limit; that if these things are avoided and the tranny is serviced regularly, it is an otherwise descent machine. I then looked up the service intervals and associated costs and compared to how much towing I actually do (and at what weight) and forecasted how expensive it will be to upkeep in the future (as I am nearing retirement), arriving at the reason I bought the standard output 6.7l with the 68RFE.
Great comment, the 68 is a lot better than what people say online. I guarantee 90% of the hate comes from non owners 👍🏾
The 68rfe in my Ram failed at 49,xxx miles. Mostly Texas highway miles with about 15,000 hooked up to a half ton towable camper trailer. Ram covered it 100 percent, but they took over two months to rebuild it.
Absolutely agree! Had the Aisin when I towed my 5’er. It was a slug, but pulled like crazy. I have the 68 RFE now as I don’t tow as heavy or as often and it is definitely better for “normal” driving scenarios. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for sharing this 👍🏾👍🏾
What was the GVW of your 5'er and what are you towing now?
The 5’er was close to 20k. Now towing less than 14k and not very often.
You are spot on regarding the Trans. I have the H/O Aisin set up and when driving it empty it's a tad rough. BUT as soon as I put my 5th wheel on it the thing drives so much smoother. Hands down it was built to work and tow. I have never had a better pulling truck! I even like my 2021 better than my old 95 12 valve cummins. Keep in mind I couldn't afford to turn up the power just had very mild upgrades cuzz that trans was weak sauce.
Yup, you get use to the harshness of the Aisin but man when I first got it, I was a little concerned lol!
Two things people don’t understand about the Ram Cummins. 68RFE is for daily driver or occasional light tow of RV couple times a year. HO Cummins with Aisin is for constantly towing and extreme use. That said I have a built 68rfe and fairly aggressive tuning and I abuse the crap out of my truck daily and when I do tow I tow hard and fast. Redhorse Motorsport built 68rfe for the win!
Excellent video and explanation……I have owned both 68RFE and Aisin…..you nailed every point. Completely agree with you about the Aisin….it’s the most misunderstood transmission in the industry. Once you learn it’s characteristics and learn the pattern of its shifts, you really start to love its power and reliability. Good job explaining all this. I wouldn’t give up my 2022 Ram and current set up(Cummins HO) for any Ford or GM. Sorry but not sorry. Lol.
Yea the Aisin is the true reliability leader regardless of the opinions, the Aisin just needs a makeover to handle more HP and it will be hard to beat, thanks bro 👍🏾
When compared to the Allison 1000, it’s internal parts are more robust as the Aisin is 100lbs heavier. Problem is, the Aisin doesn’t have a tune currently to allow the horse power increases. We will see if that changes soon.
I totally agree I’ve owed both very nicely said. Question how do you do this if unemployed?
My work truck is a 16 5500 with an Aisin.. I've always had manual Cummins trucks and hated the thought of an auto...I love the Aisin and the way it tows!
I plan on towing about 3 to 4 times a week. But a lite 40' GN enclosed trailer. Loaded to about 10-11K. I want a Ram Dually for stability. Would the 68RFE work well for this trailer with a 14K max gross?
Great video JB, I have the Aisin in the 3500 and the 10 speed in the wife’s Yukon. They are both excellent transmissions for sure. You are spot on the with shift points as well as the all the positives and negatives of the Aisin. I will say, my 2021 seem to be a little different then the 2019 I test drove when they first came out. It seems like they might have changed a few things but I can’t be sure. I appreciate the video.
The 21+ trucks are definitely better but the delayed shifting is still very much present. Thanks bro 👍🏾
People rarely realize the Aisin to Japan is like Alison to America. Aisin is one of the strongest transmissions on the market. I’m glad you pointed this out..
Once again I pray the CZcams channel pays off for you and the family brother.
It makes me laugh out loud when people say the Aisin is junk because it’s in a Chrysler 😂! I really enjoy schooling people on who actually owns it, thanks bro 👍🏾
I was actually surprised to hear they were kind of weak in the dodges and titan xd
@@JB_WhoWork
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Aisin is really a great transmission, some people would argue that it's better than an Allison which is a matter of opinion, they're both good transmissions. The problem with the 68RFE is people put programmable tuners on their truck and it raises the line pressure so high that it damages the van body and bad things start to happen then they blame the transmission. I've seen people turn up Duramax's and they break the lugs off the converter, what do you expect you go adding power, especially large amounts and your going to find the next weakest link. I have a 68RFE in my 2011 3500 and no complaints.
@@richardsb3606 Very well put Richard, As an engineer i do believe all these transmissions can hold more than they are rated but when making additional power it will and always find the next weakest link.
I have a 3500 HO with the Aisis. It shifts very smooth empty and loaded. I soft pedal the throttle in diesel trucks. I change the transmission fluid myself and send the oil off to get analyzed. Using Amsoil we found out its good for 65k miles. Geno's Garage has filters for $66 and gaskets for $24 just add your favorite fluid... I modified the cross member to make it easier to change the filter, it takes less than an hour to change..
I watched your original video on the Aisin after I ordered my '22 3500 HO DRW and was worried that I would hate it as well coming from an '18 2500 but that didn't happen. I never experience the really hard shifts that yourself and many others have commented on. Sure, it's a very different driving experience, especially in the lower gears, but I don't even notice it anymore. And, as you say, under load it really performs well, especially with the .410 gears. Perhaps it is true as another commenter suggested that the retuned it for recent models; either way, I'm a happy customer.
That is correct, in 21 they updated the Aisin with software. The Aisin is reliable so I can live with the clunks and jolts every once in awhile 👍🏾
After watching that older video of your’s that you referenced about the Aisin trans, doing my own research, and test driving an Aisin, I chose the standard output with the 68RFE on my 3500. I didn’t like the way the Aisin drove unloaded and I drive my truck mostly unloaded. I drive very few miles on it and didn’t want the extra maintenance cost. I just got the 3500 for the extra payload and the air suspension when towing a 5th wheel. Thanks for all the great info on this.
Thanks Wyatt and great info here 👍🏾
Bro. I’m a Ram guy. I’m living my best life with an upgraded 4th Gen reverted back from a 5th Gen. I might hit up 3rd Gen 5.9 memory lane. Good stuff. Keep ‘em coming.
I picked up a 2500 2022 and I love the transmission on it. I don't pull near capacity so for me it makes more sense to own a 3/4 ton. If I was hauling what you do, no question go with the HO and Aisan. Thanks for sharing.
Good stuff, the 68RFE is stout even at 15k, but the Aisin is better suited for towing well over that capacity 👍🏾
I’ve owned multiple diesels in my line of work as a hot shot. Started the ram 3500 68rfe blew the trans jumped to a 2022 ram HO with the Aisin absolutely loved it but then jumped to a 2023 Silverado 3500 (I’ve always been a Chevy guy) but after 30k miles my transmission went out so I’m once again in a HO ram. I’ve learned that in my line of work nothing handles the heavy loads better then the ram HO with the Aisin.
Another great video. You have enlightened me on Ram, and RV’ing. I agree 100% on your opinion of the Aisen. Question? I have similar truck only difference being trim. I have Laramie VS Limited. I know you leveled yours and I believe you went 35’s. Did that effect your tow? I am completely stock, I have a Curt crosswing hitch, and I feel it’s nose high in transit. How does your trailer tow? Did you have to adjust pin box to compensate for 35’s? Again thank you, I look forward to your future content.
I’ve had both a 18’ Ram 2500 68RFE and 2020 3500 Aisin. The 2500 suspension and transmission were both way smoother than the 3500 HO with Aisin. However if you’re towing constantly the 3500 HO with Aisin is definitely the way to go. Spot on with the 30k transmission service also.
Good to know, I was quoted $700 originally and I got on my knees and pleaded lol! The 68 is smooth and seems to know what gear to be in unloaded a lot better. The Aisin just loves tow… that’s it 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork what you're failing to mention is that the 68RFE never knows what gear to be in when towing. I have 61k miles on mine towing between 7,500 - 16,000lbs and I absolutely hate it.
@@snowmanwithahat My 68 was the same way. Change the tranny fluid and it will smooth back out. Its still not great for towing but much better. I could tell a difference immediately, even unloaded.
@@snowmanwithahat don't be Ignorant. Spend the time on the 68 issues, which are primarily in the Valvebody design, but it is fixable with good aftermarket parts, whole Valvebody upgrade kits from about $400-1,200. Just watch the video on the Valvebody from Nextgen Diesel
@@HTSS8 sure, valvebody upgrades and tuning help, but neither of those things fix the root of the issue that people rarely talk about. These transmissions have weak input shafts and that's the primary reason why the Cummins with a 68rfe is de-tuned compared to HO engines.
I owned a 2016 F250 with 6.7 Power Stroke purchased it brand New at 38k I traded it for a Ram 3500 6.7 HO Aisin Transmission was Adamant to the Dealer that I wanted nothing but the Aisin in it and Absolutely love my Truck nothing pulls when it senses it has a load it goes to work. I’ll be a Ram Owner as long as I have a Truck. Thanks for this informative video.
Great content as usual JB. Still loving my Cummings 2500, minus the maintenance cost😢😊
Thanks Anthony, get a oil/filter pkg, that will save you money when you buy it in bulk so long as you plan to keep the truck because they are not cancelable 👍🏾
I have a 22 3500 HO Cummins SRW. I know for 22 Ram changed the programming in the Aisin and smoothed it out. Mine is still slow shifting but it's really smooth and has never clunked going into gear. You also get a bigger 12" rear axle with SRW and Aisin combo. I do have a Big Horn and even with the heavier Aisin trans I have a payload of 4369lbs and towing or 25,500. Love this combo so far
I got mine updated and it just started clunking again lol
@B B no its a crew cab 4x4 long bed can't get the 12,300lb GVWR in the single cab SRW. I realized my payload isn't 4369 rather 4269lbs
I love my 2022 ram h/o
I just bought a big horn 3500 dually crew cab 4x4 ho!! I'm in love and its also got the sport package and 50 gal tank and some more
In terms of towing, have you found there is a weight where the aisin tends to work "better" than the 68rfe? I don't tow often enough to need the aisin but my truck is generally heavy ('17 F350 DRW) with slip tank and other accessories sitting at around 12k loaded.
Appreciate the videos and info, you're one of my go to sources for ram info.
I would say maxing out at GVWR would still allow the truck to unleash full power which would allow the Aisin to lock up and be a little more livable. Thanks 👍🏾
Wonder how the mileage compares to a 6.7 with the 68rfe. I'm in a 2017 2500 with over 530000 miles hauling a 36' flatbed and most time average around 12mpg loaded and 14 mpg empty. If I have a high load and a headwind I've seen it get 8mpg trying to get across I-90 in Wyoming and I was crying the whole time. For the record I'm on my 3rd 6RFE so next time I'm looking really hard at the HO/Aison setup.
I have a 2021 3500 HO w/ Aisin and I love it towing or empty. I didn't buy it to drag race lol. I tow a 40' 5th wheel and a 38' bumper pull.
Perfect, looking forward to the best work truck to tow my 12-14k load 3 days a week. And think I may have found it. Thank you sir.
Spot on review. Did you notice the bald Eagle flying in the background in your first or second scene? Keep up the good work!
Wow you have a good eye, I didn’t 👍🏾
Blew up 2 RFE's just towing fairly small loads. Dodge replaced it, but I will never get that transmission again. Just ended up with a 3500 H/O and the Aisin. It is a monster in every regard. 3500 1 ton getting 19-20 mpg under load. I am happy!
Great review JB. They are correct that Aisin was great.
Thanks, it’s an awesome transmission for sure 👍🏾
No matter what brand, change fluid, change filter where there is one. Good vids, keep up the good work.
Well I appreciate this Jb I just picked up my 2024 ram 3500 dually. I use it to tow my 36 enclosed trailer on the weekends about 12-13k and trans just went out at 1480 miles ( no first gear all the other gears A1) I feel like this is just a defect and this won’t happen again but kinda nervous now.
I primarily only use my 2015 Ram 3500 for trips towing my fifth wheel, often with a flatbed trailer with a side by side behind the fifth wheel. Weight between 15,500 to 18,000lbs. The engine/Aisin combo is the beast for the job. Looking at the trailer trip data, which only records with the trailer connected I've had the trailer back there for 36 percent of the time I've driven the truck, and I can't tell how much with just the flatbed with the side by side since it doesn't get logged. I change the Aisin fluid myself at the 30k interval but take it in for the filter change interval because it's so messy dropping the pan. You also have to change the rear differential fluid more often if you want to avoid trouble when towing heavy. Personally I see no reason for a diesel truck unless you're putting it to work since the cost of ownership definately goes up with the heavy duty stuff.
I've own 2 ram with the aisin transmissions. One was a 16 the other a 18 . Both had a slip every now and then from 2nd to 3rd gear and would slam hard into gears under harder throttle
Our brand new (only 2700 miles) 2022 3500 HO had a total transmission failure with our horses in tow on 10/1/22. It was hauled off to the dealer where it is still sitting waiting for a diagnosis.
That sucks… that is rare but hopefully they get it taken care of. Hope the horses were ok 👍🏾
Once you do a trans tune to the Aisin they shift so much better and faster. You should try it bro!!
30k fluid change is super easy, and the 60k isn’t to bad either, well worth doing it yourself if you want to save some money. Love my Aisin.
Hotshot Secret Shift Restore (formerly called TSE) will make your trans shift like a Mercedes. Will not affect the clutch plates. My 2019 3500 just glides through the gears; very smooth! The only 2 places I don't have Hotshot Secret additives is brake fluid & washer fluid.
Good to know, I wonder if that would void warranty 👀
@@JB_WhoWork How would they know? I've asked the dealership that question. What my dealership says is they can't recommend additives but do your research and if a question comes up be prepared to provide evidence of product quality. Dealerships can recommend additives according to Ram customer service but they don't. WHY? Maybe using additives keeps vehicles out of the service department.
It’s possible but I worked in warranty and if they send an adjuster and he wants to inspect the fluid, it can deny the claim. The owners manual specifically states not to add additives to fluid so they can deny the claim if they choose to. Now I’m not saying that the additive is bad, just know that it can void your warranty 👍🏾
As always top shelf.
Thanks 👍🏾
My 03 dodge 3500 dually has 48re at 180k stock trans no problems now it does shifter harder than other trans other than that it been pretty great I don’t get tunes on my truck either
Sounds like you may not have done your research prior to purchasing your truck. I, like a lot of others appreciate your take and information but I think you left out some very vital information. Which rear end ration was packaged with your transmission? Was it 410 ratio or 373?
Makes a difference.
Good points and correct but if you are towing.... Your GVRW maxes out at 14,000# with any engine or transmission and the weight of the truck is more with the Aisin and options but the GCWR are highest on the Max Tow package Aisin 4.1 43,000# vs 33,000# with the 68rfe and there is no option that covers 10,000 more towing pounds.
I loved it when you brought up the 48re being junk! I couldn't agree more. Has to be a manual if that number is attached to the truck.
Lol! Spoke to a seasoned tech and he told me, that trans wasn’t worthy to be thrown in the trash 😂
@@JB_WhoWork Hes a smart man! Hahaha. 46,47,48. All junk. The cheapness of parts in them is beyond. If somebody unfortunately has one I HIGHLY recommend the DNJ billet governor and a steel reverse servo pin.
I think you smooth out empty shifting by programming the shifting by accelerating hard through the gears initially with an empty bed to program the transmission. if you already have a hard shifting, have the dealer clear the programming. there are a few vidios on this.
The 48RE was a great transmission,people had failures because they tuned the engine and slipped the trans. When a Ram owner heads for the drag strip or wants a trans to hold big power reliability the built 48RE gets swapped in where the. Built 68 rfe was after burning a few up.
I spoke to a seasoned tech and he said the 48 wasn’t a great transmission and explained in pretty good detail of why (sadly I couldn’t repeat what he said). Not saying some didn’t go and or still going but he replaced a lot when he was a tech.
To your point, tuning is a big culprit on why most people have issues 👍🏾
I had a 2004 SRW 3500 with the 48RE and it went 225k before needing a trans rebuild. I occasionally towed a 12k fifth wheel and daily drove it.
Good video, quick question I just bought a 2021 3500 srw HO with the Aisin, how much this truck can haul on a conventional hitch ?
Thanks
Thanks for this video.
I have a 2015 3500 HO 6.7 Aisin Dually. I agree this trans is at its best when heavy towing. This is why I purchased this truck and with 4:11 gears! I use for just such! The 68RFE is a continuation of the old 727 and well beefed up, IMO. However if you are old school like I am, My 727 trans in all my 69 Hotrods including my favorite 383 Formula "S" Barracuda had manual valve bodies in them! As you may know they had a reverse shift pattern on them from PRN321, to PRN123! So use your Aisin in Manual Mode and see the difference in the performance you want to see! Even though it is not reversed to 1-6! JMO!
does the pan have a plug? if so a fluid drop and fill is cheaper then pan drop with gasket and filter. that's very aggressive maintenance requirements for 30k mile intervals.
My 68 RFE (2500) broke at 94k . Oil spilled out on the highway . I tow constantly for about 15k . Service won't tell me anything, but someone tells me it was due to overheating of the transmission. Good thing I'm under warranty until 125k. 3 weeks waiting for a new 68 RFE and wondering what to do with it - hotshot job.
we own a 18' Ram 3500 with the 68rfe that we use for are concrete flatwork business. The truck tows all week just under 26000lbs-(truck-trailer-load)-No CDL with a dump trailer hauling either a Bobcat or gravel or concrete demo. Are tranny lasted 78,000 miles before it cracked the tranny case. Chrysler replaced the tranny at no cost. The 18' has been a great work horse of a truck and I would highly recommend buying the 68rfe again, Only because of the 100,000 mile warranty and it did handle a lot of hard work with different employees driving it through out 4 years. Drive a average of 17,000 to 22,000 miles a year.
Love your videos
Thank You 👍🏾👍🏾
Hey JB great review very informative
Thanks bro, you may have to jump ship for a little 👀
@@JB_WhoWork to Ram NEVER
Lol
Suggestion or question. could you you a remote mic?
You can swap the trucks transmission for an Allison Transmission built to handle 600-1200hp. The Allison behind the Duramax. It’s also used in military vehicles, a few semi’s, lots of box trucks, utility trucks, etc.
Have 2020 ram 3500 HO, tows like a beast put about 100k miles and it’s it’s going strong with regular maintenance 🙏 averages about 8 mpg loaded with 40ft gooseneck
Is your trailer enclosed and how much weight are you towing? Aisin DRW or SRW?
@@elderrob trailer was a flatbed and from 10-15 k lbs with a dually
@@elderrob maybe about 30-35 k gross
I've been going to building a ram and so far I can not get the high output cummins with the aisin trammission unless you get the crewcab long bed truck
I had a 2020 ram 3500 srw with the 68rfe and traded for a 22 4500 which has the detuned Cummins with a aisin. The aisin shifts smooth in the 4500. I can’t really tell a difference between the 2 transmissions personally.
im currently looking into a 3500. i commute 2x week in mountain terrain and i tow our horses almost every weekend not longhaul only 50min one way.
we have a chrysler and a 2500 and all vehicles always have transmission issues. i need a vehicle thats reliable where nothing breaks for 100k and doesnt fall apart at 60k.
so what transmission would you recommend?
Hey what camping do you do most? Do you also do the thousand trails?
Now that we travel fulltime, we use campendium to find BLM out west and campgrounds. Thousand trails is great but we would probably still stay at campgrounds that we prefer so it wouldn’t be a benefit for us 👍🏾
I love my 2022 ram 3500 with the HO Cummins long bed, single wheel. I pull a 36 foot fifth wheel that I live in full-time. I forget the trailers behind me sometime. So I like our bragging rights.
Lol! That is a nice setup and the longbed probably makes the stability that much better 👍🏾👍🏾
The 50 gallon gas tank helps also
I'm a fellow nomad and have been a full-timer going on six years now. I am going to replace my current tow vehicle and looking to go with a 2022 or 2023 Ram 3500 HO diesel dually with Aisin and 4:10 gears. How is your 2022 3500 doing so far? I've heard and read that many are having a transmission recall and problems on their HO diesel with Aisin. Thank you for the update in advance. Safe travels!
I test drove a 2022 HO and the transmission was very very smooth unloaded. I’m here’s others say this same thing about the 2022 HO.
JB Reviews Got a question for you after having your Ram 3500 HO, if you were me what would you buy. I am going to buy a Ram 3500 trying to make up mind between HO and SO I tow a 5th wheel which isnt to heavy a 10,000 lb 5th wheel I tow probably 5-6 times a year and tow a light boat I do not plan on buying a bigger 5th wheel because I don't want anything longer because we camp in Mountains and alot of sites even my 27 ft is hard to get in and if I do buy another one I would buy something just like I got same weight. I want good MPG and I heard the Ram 3500 HO does not get good MPG like the SO which would you buy knowing my concerns the SO 68RFE or HO Aisin ?
Tim, I have a 2021 3500 HO. Father-in-Law has a 2020 2500 SO. He gets 2-3 better MPG than I do on average empty. BUT, loaded, we get about the same. He tows a 26’ about 8500lb bumper pull, no slides. I pull a 39.5’, 3 slide w/ garage for toys, massive 5’er. Pull loaded at about 17k, trailer weight, +8k truck, and we get about the same amount of Diesel at each stop. He can’t believe it!
I have a 68rfe I tow a9000 lb fifth wheel. I have a 3500 4x4 373 gears with 33.5 inch tires from factory with 20 inch rims. When I tow my 19000 lb dump trailer when you get in the hills just keep it in direct 4th gear and still keep 60mph. The perfect gear ratio for my setup would be 390 gears . The problem with ram thay dont give you enough gear ratio sélections.
I second the gear ratio for the SRW 👍🏾
Great video as always. I think all brands of HD trucks are pretty cool. I have a 2022 Chevy 2500 gasser and love it. That 6L90 is to die for. Towing 9k lbs. in 95' heat, the temp. never went above 187'. Smooth as butter too. I'm sure the Aisin will last forever like most will if serviced within reasonable limits. Here's to many years of reliable towing and happy camping!!!
Thanks, that’s another great transmission in the HD segment and I bet it will go forever 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork Only 2K miles on it but I hope so. Enjoy your best life ever all.....
@HalfShell, I don’t disagree but it’s reliable and sometimes that’s all you can ask for these days 👍🏾
@HalfShell I agree, it is outdated by the new 8 and 10 speed transmissions. BUT....the reliability is off the charts and the shifts are buttery smooth. And they're cheap (comparatively) to replace if needed. I love it!!
Once again, I love my 3500 with the hemi😃21k problem free miles. Just change oil every 5k and pull trailers.
I owned in the past 2000 and 2006 Ram with Cummings, love the engine , but in both trucks transmissions really sucks . Year ego I started looking for new truck and drive Ram with Aisin, but honestly was terrible shifting trany. But at least after watching your video I understand now why . Looks like is made for towing not for daily driving. End up with 2022 Ford 250 diesel mainly because the 10 speed trany Ford have and perform perfectly either towing or not.
After my 66rfe died at 70k I vowed to never get another chrysler transmission. I love my 2020 HO both loaded and unloaded.
No doubt the Aisin is the best 👍🏾
Who have the best HD 3500 truck for hauling freight=40 ft trailer
Have you thought about a Banks Ram intake, pedal monster, diff cover. So many performance choices to kick your truck in the butt.
I almost ordered the banks ram intake but the install was too much to do on the road and I prefer to do that install in a garage and not in the elements 👍🏾
I'd never buy a 68rfe ever again in my life! But man I love the aisin with the high output!!!
Good idea. Its better to have an not need than need an not have. Oil an filter is cheaper than rebuilding a trans.
You are awesome! Now you have a 2019 limited and I have a 2020. Longhorn. I have the 3500 w the 68Rfe. Same truck except I have the long bed. When you are back in Ohio my little Cummins will whip you and your Aisin! Lol
Since I got the CP3 and this truck is broken in, it’s way more responsive with the same fifth wheel than my 2018 HO.
No regrets going to the SO. But you are right about towing. I have towed only about 4000 out of 44000 miles, my fifth wheel weighs about 14500 lbs.
My dealer says 120,000 and then that service will cost me an arm and a leg or two. The 68Rfe with the 3.73 rear end and the new cp3 is just a wonderful truck. I love driving it.
Smooth, powerful and plenty of truck for 14,500lbs plus 4156 lbs payload.
So bring er on, no tunes just stock against stock, loaded and unloaded drag race. I’m calling you out. Old Man is gonna show you what truckin is. Lol
Wouldn’t that the fun? 😎
Lol, I bet it would walk mine for sure! We have the same GVWR too which would make it more apples to apples!
I haven’t done my CP3 swap but I’m in no rush right now. Hopefully when I make it out there we can do some vids for sure!
@@JB_WhoWork so what do you think of this logic, maybe you can refine it. The 90-80-70 rule for you definitely need an Aisin. So if you tow over 90 % of gvwr, and 80% of max tow rating, and finally over 70% of actual towing miles versus non towing miles.
Even if you tow a lot, the 68 has been proven to run high miles without a rebuild. If you go back and watch my channel from early on, I did a video with a guy who delivered RV’s and he had over 400k miles with a deleted and modded truck and the 68 was stock I believe
@@JB_WhoWork yeah I seem to remember that. You know if been seeing more and more hotshotters w 2500 Rams. I’m surprises but maybe they aren’t stressing the payload. A lot of it according to one internet hot shotter is just how you drive the truck. Like racing even stock is not good. Lol
Fantastic video! Just bought a 68
rfe. Pulling 9700 pounds on the highway about 3000 miles per month. How often then should I change the transmission fluid?
Thanks, you can follow the interval or just change it all at 60k for peace of mind especially if you are keeping it forever 👍🏾
I have 338k on my rfe. Pulling all over the United States. All you need is a billet torque converter and DO NOT let it downshift under load...like...ever. no cruise control in the mountains. Don't pull mountains in 6th gear. That manual shift on the fly is your BEST FREIND with a 68rfe.
What is the weak spot for not allowing it downshift?
@@JB_WhoWork clutches
@@JB_WhoWork I tow heavy for my business with 18 3500 4x4 reg cab dually 68rfe 4.10 rear and we service trans every 35/40k for good measure (fluid and filters )are cheap insurance!also service transfer case front and rear diff fluid and power steering and brake fluids also your cooling system needs to be serviced flush/fill!
AISIN = Toyota Medium Truck Transmission 🚚
LOL. If you don't plan on towing, get the Hemi in a 2500 with the 8-speed ZF for a better ride overall. For that matter, get the Power Wagon or Rebel for the locker(s).
Does your Aisin have a drain plug? And does your truck have a trans dipstick? If so it’s super easy to change the fluid yourself without going to the dealer and I wouldn’t bother with the filter until 60k.
If it doesn’t have a drain plug then absolutely change the filter while the trans pan is off.
Ford across the board has 150k trans intervals. My 17 Mustang GT manual has a 150k interval. It’s stupid but they do that because low maintenance sells sadly.
Tow piglet has problems because he buys or leases his trucks with the intent of not servicing. No doubt the 10 speed probably needs more frequent fluid changes if you actually do HD truck stuff but if it’s serviced it should have no issue living a long life.
I’m not sure if the Aisin has one but I bought a warranty with my truck which is why I document my services. Great info 👍🏾👍🏾
I build some nice 68rfe units and heres the secret. Most of my customers with 68 issues are deleted and tuned, orver 80%. And the stock ones are towing really heavy in OD at low rpms. Turn off 5th and 6th below 1800rpms with a trailer hooked up.
Seems you didn't do all your due diligence in which to get. You have to be under heavy loads constantly to take advantage of the Aisin, since I only plan to do towing occasionally, it was a no brainer to stay with the 68.
Better watch out when you take your vehicle to a dealership they say they change the transmission fluid and they never do
The bad part is the extra fuel addictive that needs to be added or the fuel pump jams its not like commercial diesel trucks that don't need it and they have two speed rear ends for extra muscle
Maybe someone can help me ?
I’m buying a new truck but really not sure on what to buy ? Im thinking the 2023 black package limited ram 3500 with a 3 or 6 inch kelderman lift on 37’ maybe bigger but not sure on the hemi or Cummins. I want the Cummins turbo just to be boss but I’m not sure . I do minor off-roading but when I do I’m plowing down trees , rock crawling, and making big waves in the mud pools. I spend months in freezing conditions and really concerned that’s going to be a problem. I’m not sure what having a Cummins in freezing conditions intel’s. Is it going to be a drag having to plug in my truck so it doesn’t freeze? How long can it be off in freezing conditions? What if I’m at a hotel overnight and I can’t plug in my truck ?
I pull the same amount of weight if not more with my 7.3 with manual trans then most people tow with new trucks and I have absolutely no problem pulling 15k down the freeway at 80mph and my truck is dirt cheap to run and zero emissions systems
Have 2020 3500 H.D. 6 7 . Had Trans serviced 35109 miles put AMS oil signature series synthetic noticed the difference . Cost 608 dollars. P.S. the shop said the old oil was very clean.
The Aisin trans pan has a drain plug in it. The 68RFE does not. The labor would have been allot cheaper if they just drained it and refilled as they recommended. The 68RFE would not last long towing what you tow.
Nice video. There’s no doubt the Aisin is the better transmission of the two but I would guess part of the difference in seat of the pants drivability is it’s probably not early as efficient as the 68RFE. What I mean is it’s probably robbing more power from the motor.
Anyways, I have said in the past I feel the HO options for all brands are kinda gimmicky and while it’s true they make more power, it’s typically a very narrow band in the rpm range that they make that power over the standard output engine. I think the same thing will happen with the Fords when they go with the HO Powerstroke.
You are correct, the Aisin/Cummins combo has so much tq management it’s not even funny but I have to disagree, the HO Cummins doesn’t just give you more power, it also gives you a transmission geared towards towing heavy often. Most guys don’t tow often and heavy nearly as much to justify the HO but what ford is doing, I agree with you lol! 👍🏾👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork I’d probably want it if I were to ever buy a diesel Ram mostly because I would skip the 2500 Ram mostly because of the coil rear suspension. My buddy at work who had a 2500 Ram traded it to a F250 and he says it’s a huge difference in towing stability, and he was a Ram fan.
The coils are fine but if you go air suspension, I find it to be almost stable like a dually. I think the reason why RAM doesn’t raise their 3/4 GVWR is because of the coils. Leafs will always handle a little better Vs coils under load too 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork given you can find air suspension on class 8 rigs over 105,000 pounds, I would think air ride can handle it...
However, the economics of getting a proper 30k-40k air suspension into a pickup for a reasonable price may be difficult.
Actually, harder shifts are easier on transmission. Smooth shifts equals slippage, which generates heat, which we all know automatic transmissions hate.
I had a 68rfe truck and I used it to tow my excavator skid steer tractor etc, it towed nice. I just bought a Asian and would never go back as long as I’m towing. Feels like nothings behind me. It’s insane!
Which transmission is more reliable long term ? Especially with a tune and abuse.
Aisin
Ram would have the perfect truck if they put in an Allison or ZF! The Aisin is not a trans I would pick, no parts, no tuning, slow, clunky, and hard defuels during shifts.
I’m quite happy with my built 68 and while I know the internal parts are quite a bit smaller than what is in the Allison, it is a great performer for me and I tow heavy.
Me to i like the 68
Come like a spaceship feels like it’s faster than most race cars fun truck to drive
He'll no best truck I've ever had. I did feel the transmission a little weird today. Looked into it and I did not know 30k I needed a transmission fluid change. So thanks lol. Fluid and filter change here I go....
How can you compare a towing vehicle to a racing vehicle?
I buy all my filters from Genos garage then have dealer install; still under warranty.
Nice video J.B! Dodge Ram 68rfe was originally born 2007 for the Dodge Ram 1/2. Dirty Dodge installed 68rfe in a 3/4 ton truck. But if built right and you put the money in it. It's a real beast! Now the 48re Dodge never should've used the 48re in their Diesel that was the worst and expensive too! Brother all Dodge Transmissions are weak and you have to invest money be prepared for the long haul, just not suitable for the Diesels! Shame on Dodge having the best engine on the market! I Own 2 Dodge Ram and Both Truck's transmission failures. Expensive upgrades and never had an issue again. In my time working on transmissions Dodge Ram #1 transmission failure's in the shop! Rarely Ford unless E0D or 400 junk and Ford discontinued them! Their heavy duty diesel transmissions built better than Dodge. And the Allison 1000/2000 is far superior to any Dodge Transmissions! Buy a Dodge Ram Diesel you will have to invest in the transmission. OEM parts are junk.
I think the point is not coming out here soon enough in your video. If you buy the HD RAM to tow, the AISIN is your solution. If you buy a HD RAM as daily driver with occasional driving, the Chrysler box will get it done. As an engineer, I will take JB's bet expressed below and happily fill my thirsty Cummins fuel tank with the proceeds! Used predominantly for towing and identical heavy trailers and traversing environment, say Escapee caravaners, following the maintenance schedules, the Chrysler box will need a rebuild before the AISIN. You cannot downplay the substantial design-for-function differences.
Now the two HD transmissions being trialed for the future HD RAMs get me excited because of both builder and more gears!
It depends on the user, I think most people put more stress based on the climate they live in, the roads they drive on, and their own personal driving habits. I can also bet some Aisin and Allison transmissions have failed before the 68, doesn’t mean the 68 is a “better” trans, just means some people are a lot rougher than others
I’m with you on the 2 Ram transmissions JB. I also agree the 6 Real Allison transmission GM was used is as good or equal to the Aisin transmission.
Yup, that Allison is amazing!
So is an Allison 6speed a real Allison, can't even feel the shifts ,
68rfe with a proper tune will get the job done . 68rfe dosnt like locked torque converter shifts. Proper tune will take care of that .
To service a 68rfe you need 9 qt fluid and filters . 2 filters one spin on and one regular , with gasket and labor you are well into $500
This guy does it his self, Moble 3309 like 6 to 7 quarts ..l bug 12 at a time $100 , filter $45 . But you have to remove the trans mount bolts and raise the trans about 1.5 inches to get to rear pan bolts on Ram 3500 dually . A wobble extension is the tool
I do miss my Ram JB.
You were who I was referencing about doing a drag race 😂
@@JB_WhoWork oh I know. 🤣