2023 RAM 3500 HO Cummins VS 2500 SO Cummins MPG + Timed 0-60 Test: Some Won't Like This Outcome...
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- čas přidán 21. 04. 2023
- I finally get a chance to show performance between the SO Cummins and HO Cummins to see which one is faster to 60 and MPG. I used a 2023 RAM 3500 and RAM 2500 which have similar weight due to trim levels. || Like || Subscribe || Share || #JBReviews #cummins
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Six weeks ago we traded our 2018 2500 for our 2023 limited 3500 HO dually that we ordered, we opted for no air suspension and installed aftermarket instead. So far I could not be happier, there are definitely big differences between the 2 as far as the transmissions go off the line, but this is the bottom line, this truck was put on this earth for one reason and one reason only and that is to move really heavy sh&t, and it does every bit of that and then some.(stops it on a dime as well) love the videos, keep it up
I have a 2021 H/D SRW, and LOVE IT! I also opted to go aftermarket on Air bags. What did you install on your truck? I was looking at the ride rite wireless set up with Firestone bags.
I think the world has been waiting for this test with 10-15000 lb trailers hooked up.
Thank you for the videos an Thank You Larry H Miller Chrysler Jeep for lending you their Trucks!
I LOVE the exhaust break on my 21 Laramie. It makes stopping our 30 ft camper a piece of cake.
Love my 2020 RAM 2500 diesel! We passed a lot of trucks while towing our 38 foot (10,800 lbs) travel trailer in the mountains of Asheville, NC!
Great comparison! Great video!
Just bought a 24" 3500 Ram H.O. and it's a serious tow Monster. Would the 68rfe in a 2500 work, sure. But My Lord the H.O. is built to work. Been buying new trucks(9) from Ford's to Chevy's to Ram's since 2011 and thought I have experienced it all when it comes to diesel 3500 trucks and this 24' H.O. Puts a smile on my face.
Man, it’s good to see you back home. You can see how excited you are when you drive these trucks.
Gay
Bought my 21 dually from that same dealership, currently 300,100 miles and only thing I've had to replace so far was front hubs and set of batteries. Most reliable truck I've ever owned.
I have a correction on my last message I sent you I was wrong, I just purchased a 2023 ram 3500 I stated to you that the difference on the tire pressures was 65 front and 80 rear on the 2500 which is correct but then I stated the 3500 factory setting is 80 psi all the way around, well when I test drove the vehicle from the factory it was 80 psi all the way around but when the dealer did the prep work on the truck They set the front at 60 psi front and 80 rear and I told him that’s wrong it’s supposed to be 80 all the way around then they showed me the sticker on the door and it does say 60 front 80 rear so again I don’t want to sound like an idiot I was wrong, thanks for the review buddy I always enjoy your reviews you’re a good guy, you have a very classy way of doing your reviews👍
This is the review I wanted to watch for so long ! SO versus HO Cummins in 2500 versus 3500 respectively ! Thank you kindly !
I just bought a 2022 3500 Tradesman, 12,200 miles, in the Omaha Orange that I’ve sought for about five years at a Ram dealer in Ohio.
I flew out there Friday AM from Vegas and was done at the dealer by 1600 and on the road. HO, AISIN , 5th wheel etc etc. Note my avatar.
Net of it is 2200 miles, 33 hours, 21 MPG. That’s mostly at 65-80 mph and includes 600-ish miles from Amarillo TX to Flagstaff AZ with consistent 30 mph headwinds (not fun last Sunday). I have a pic of Trip A for the record!
I’m perfectly satisfied. 😃
I just bought a 2022 2500 Limited Longhorn Cummins. Could not be happier with this truck!
Love everything about it!
Great to know!
I don't understand why people want a 1 ton truck with as much GVWR as possible, then complain that it rides like a truck.
Best review i've seen yet! I drove both aswell and felt like the standard output was just as fast, but i liked the way the transmission shifted better as-well, allot smoother. And yes the airbags rear sure makes it ride less like a freight train...I wish i got the airbags
The HO Cummins 3500 is my all time favorite truck. That’s just me, and like you JB; I love that exhaust brake
So for those of you who don't understand why the SO is faster than the HO here it is both trucks are fly-by-wire, the ASINE trans has a slower throttle response than the SO with that said just install a BANKS Pedlecomander and it will rock your world 100%
I've been trying to decide between the HO and SO in Laramie trim and it's not an easy decision and you just made it harder. I'm going to be camping a few times a year with a fiver, but then it's a daily driver the other 90% of the time. Better driving vs more power.. ?!
Great video!
Nice to finally see this test! If Ram would at least offset the weight of the Cummins with extra GVWR they would sell way more 2500's. Even though the interior has been around a while it still looks really good. Not exactly timeless but it has aged well. My 2017 68 RFE has well over 90K with a deleted and tuned engine since 7000 miles and no problems. It has towed a Travel trailer, water trailer, and a fifth wheel its whole life. Don't get me wrong I am knocking on wood lol🤣
Slap a revmax valve body on there and push the line pressure to 200+ and you won't have any problems with the 68rfe. Mine has 302k on it and has never been rebuilt!
They need to fix their frame issues before they can add more payload. One of the many reasons I opted for the duramax.
The gear ratios of the 2 transmissions are different. The Aisin is a medium duty transmission and has a lower 1-2-3 ratio compared to the 68RFE. This easily explains why the Aisin is slower to speed through the first gears. Aisin: 1-2-3: 3.75, 2.0, 1.34 68RFE: 1-2-3: 3.23, 1.84, 1.21
So my 22 3500 HO mega is in the body shop, and I’ve got a 23 2500 Cummins as a rental. Empty the 68rfe is more pleasant to drive… but when I put 10k behind it that 2500 seems like a working dog. It does it, but it’s not what it wants to do. My HO eats that 10k like its not even there. I’m actually surprised that the speed test was that close. It certainly feels like the SO is faster than that. From someone towing 5k to 12k every day, I can’t wait for my HO to be back. It’s a huge difference with weight behind it.
I agree with this. When towing 10k on the freeway and having to accelerate and pass, the So, IMO, doesn't have the power under load.
@@fivesfilms For sure. Even just the initial take off is weaker. And for some reason, maybe it’s just the 23, the SO is much less aggressive in tow haul mode. My HO keeps the motor between 1200 and 1800 rpm’s at all times and leaves the truck in a gear to do so. The SO is happy to be in 4th gear doing 30mph, making me manually shift so the truck doesn’t hunt. And when I decelerate the downshifts do less in the SO to aid in braking.
Subscribing because of the honesty @ 08:10
I love my ram 2019 2500 cummins. I tow tool trailer all day for work. It works. Maybe some day I will get ford or tundra or Chevy but for now I need milion miles I hope...
It’s not about 0-60 empty , it’s about 0-60 with a load. Why buy a 3/4 or 1t diesel if your running empty. Get a 1/2t gasser.
Very very nice
Pedal delay is huge on my 2022 3500 HO. Fixed it with a booster. Huge improvement like 2 second.
The 2500 you tested has the "optional" air ride in place of a coil spring, hence the smoother ride. The 3500 SRW you tested is a leaf spring truck with the "optional" air bag leveler, not air ride as claimed. That's why there a substantial difference in ride quality.
You should test those against the 6.4 with a 4:10 axle. I had a dually long bed 4wd 6.4 and that thing ripped 0-60. I never timed it but it felt like 7-8 seconds and would burn out the duallys every time.
Man I love the Long Horn interior. When it’s time to upgrade my Laramie, I think it’s a no brainer to go with the Limited Long Horn.
Can’t beat it. I have a 21 3500 Longhorn LTD. Love the interior…actually the complete truck. 😊
It’s just crazy to me that the 2500 payload is less than my 2020 F150. I completely agree on raising the GVWR. It can handle way more than 1700 pounds.
Tows like 4x the amount
It’s only 1700lbs even a chevy 2500 is like 4000
@@nitronick3120can’t tow that much if it can’t handle the payload (legally).
I got the ho with banks power adder with the high flow intake and it it's way quicker and more responsive. I promise your fall in love with the ho again.
I also added a sinister oil bypass, sinister coolant bypass, sinister cold air. PPE deeper trans pan, PPE diff cover, and Banks Rear diff cover. But once you add mods to the ho. It runs way better.
Did you also add the Banks pedal Monster? if you did do you like it? I have one but have not installed it yet.
At around Noon today i’m taking delivery on a brand new 3500 mega HO , bighorn decal on truck looks like it had a few upgrade on it from factory . I’m going from a 17 5.7 2500 i bought new had no issues just time for new truck . Hope i made rite choice i just don’t wanna told you can’t tow that …
So I’m confused. The red one has just air bags in back for support and the white has 4 corner air suspension? I didn’t know that was an option for the diesels ..
3500's rear tires were at 90 psi, no wonder its so firm! Certainly doesn't help when the door sticker show to run at 65 psi. Unloaded I'd be running 50 psi in the rear max.
I actually ordered a 2023 3500 HO longhorn, after driving multiple 2022 HO 3500s. I LOVED the HO but my 2023 that I ordered was the worst driving vehicle I’ve ever had the chance to drive. The tuning is so different to the 2022s I was so disappointed. Not taking delivery at the end of the day on that one
Worst driving as in transmission tuning or ride quality?
I would be curious to know how the rear end radio is geared
2:56 the HO time looks like 10.16, 13:03 the SO went 9.49. Close enough it could just about go either way. As far as the ride goes, my truck is 17 Ram 2500 diesel long bed that I think rides fairly well. My company got a ‘22 f350 crew cab diesel with service body this year, I am surprised at how similar the ride is between the two trucks. The f250 we used to have at work rode & handled awful.
I have a Ford now, but had a ram before. There’s a lot of things I miss from the Ram, the exhaust brake power being one, but at the same time when towing under 10k sometimes going down hill it was too strong, vs this ford it does well (dare I say better downhill) with this size load, but when you start going over 10k, that’s where the Rams exhaust brake starts to really shine!
Use the auto exhaust break. It holds the speed down a hill no matter the load
@@cmoshpit9171 doesn’t matter when towing over 10k. Fact of the matter is, the exhaust brake doesn’t compare to the Rams on heavy loads down steep grades.
JB, Would your comments and test results be applicable if the 3500 dually version of each truck were tested - the SO versus the HO, with the same/similar gearing ? Another test in the offing ...? 😉
That Aisin isnt for 0-60 but if you are towing its what you want. The Aisin is better IMO than an Allisin. It runs cooler under load.
My neighbor had a Fiasco with air Suspension and after hearing that I will never buy a Truck with air Suspension or if I do I will have it switched over to regular suspension
With the HO you don't want to go past 3/4 throttle, full throttle makes the trans hold to a higher rpm which slows down the acceleration. I'm assuming this is similar to past Allison trans, where you floor it when towing and it holds the gear to red line.
Is it possible to increase the power without a strong loss of resource so that it goes 2-3 seconds faster and on big wheels.
I really love RAM and its exterior and interior, but I'll have to take a medium-tonnage truck because the issue is with repairs, but I'm thinking about swapping the motor and the box so that the LN goes faster. I need an expedition SUV with good entry and exit angles, but so that I can drive on the highway like Satan 80-100 miles per hour.
A reinforced gearbox can be ordered from the 3500 with Cummins
Just bought 2023 3500 tradesman HO-Alison level 2 and more 79k for 61.5k just wish the flip center seat would go back all the way to match. Plan to move into the country where it will be better used. GPM about 14 so far.
I have a 22 Ram 3500 HO and that Aisin slows it down on take off and in-between shifts. Put it in tow haul mode and the truck will move out much better. I installed a pedal commander, S&B filter and a piggyback tuner. Now the truck really moves. Btw what was the 0-60 on the SO??? Looked to be the same in the video to me
What did you pay for yours? I’m interested
@zacd7094 I paid $62,800. CCLB SRW Big Horn Level 2 with the snow chief group. Sticker price was $73,000
Hey Jb, been watching your videos for awhile.. I ordered the ram 2023 3500 with the H.O. AND the Aisin Trans. I do enjoy the pep that the 68rfe has..but that Trans already failed in my 2018 ram 2500 with just the 6.4. Hemi in the truck... and it failed at 42k miles. I'll never order a diesel with the 68 rfe. My son works at the local dealership and there's about 6 trucks sitting with bad trannys in them. So ram needs to get rid of the 68 .. and move on.
2018 ram 2500 6.4 has 66rfe not 68. Some similarities but not the same I think.
Exactly, 6.4 has 66rfe and they are totally different transmissions, the 68rfe has heavy duty torque converter and hd clutches as well
A reinforced gearbox can be ordered from the 3500 with Cummins
I had 70k in my 21 ram 3500 with a 68rfe and towed 15k 41 ft 5th wheel across the country 4 times. Never had an issue
I wonder why they went with 373 gearing it used to be the for 10 years I know you can get 410 on the Dooley? My 2016 with 14 gears probably got about the same fuel economy but maybe they did it for fuel economy reasons?
the s.o has solid rolers not hydraulic new ones got issues?
What rear is in each truck?
The HO would wake up if they would finally dump the Aisin for the ZF Powerline.
My 3500 with the 370 horse 850 torque I pull a 19000 lb dump trailer weighted scale. I go up a 5 percent grade put it in over drive on our 6 to 8 percent grade I drop it in direct or drive gear. My truck is 8660 in weight.
The high output put is 16.1 to1 . The standard output is 19.0 to 1 .the standard output has a lower pull .
So what was the second time?
My h.o. Aisin 3500 srw seemed to go through a computer controlled break in. After 2500 miles it seemed faster. Also if you put fox high performance shocks on the front its much nicer to drive.
Which Fox shocks did you put on?
@@3076gds I just put the high performance shocks without any remote reservoir. They're not the 2.0 either, they're earlier ones. Silver and black color. For 0 - 1.5 lift.
Which of the top three HD Diesel trucks are most dependable?
2022 ram 3500 68rfe regular cab long box. Have a carli level kit and 35x12R18. Have 23k miles on it. Zero issues so far. Can get 20 mpg highway unloaded. Love the truck. Feels like it has more power, the more miles I put on
2500s are for guys who think they want a truck but should be in a Tesla. Most people who buy diesel trucks do not ever use them for what they're made for. Drop a 20K trailer on those trucks, and you will see why the Aisin wins over the 68RFE. I drive a dually with an Aisin and tow 26K on a 40-foot gooseneck. My last truck was a 68RFE, and that thing ran hot to the point it was trying to burn up.
Why is the mpg so low? I average 20ish mpg when babying it on the SO 2500. Maybe bc u had some hard pulls and lots of stops.
I had a 2500 with the 68RFE trans. Ran the H&S transmission tune in it and the shifts were awesome. You could get 1-2 shift tire spin and sometimes the 2-3 shift would bark a little. And never did I have a problem with that transmission.
The steering probably feels loose on the 1 ton because they run 80 psi tire pressure all the way around the 2500 comes from the factory with 65 psi in the front and 80 psi in the rear that’s their recommendation I purchased a 2022 2500, it is super comfortable truck but I am towing And yesterday I traded in for a 2023 3500 and because I tow aproximately 15,000 pounds almost 7 days a week for over four months a year I need the heavier duty truck also the problem I’ve had with that air suspension on the 2500 there is no springs it’s just air so for example when I’m loading and unloading my tractor on my trailer as you know driving up the ramps it will lift the truck a little bit so I have to block the back of the trailer so it doesn’t squat but when the weight goes on the back of the trailer the airbags when you start the vehicle pump up to make up the difference I’ve had the side of my truck so tall and I’m 6 foot tall The top of the bed was up to my chin & this happens every time I unload my tractor and let’s say I want to disconnect the trailer it’s really hard to get the trailer off because it’s so high in the air and the air bags do not go down until you drive it about a half a block it’s a real problem for me but again I’m also towing about 15,000 pounds on a regular basis and that’s one of the reasons I got rid of my 2500 I love the truck it’s so comfortable but definitely not good enough for towing heavy weight and the brakes are not powerful enough as compared to the one tton also what I like about the 2500 when you’re not towing if you’re on a rougher road if you stop the vehicle and go into alternate ride height you can lower the back 1 inch and makes the ride much softer. The airbags on the 3500 will self adjust to the weight you’re carrying to keep the truck level but on the 3500 if you stop and go to alternate ride height it will drop the back of the truck 1 inch and give it a little bit softer ride, I’ve had both systems and now I’m back to the 1 ton which is going to work better I’m going to miss the comfort of the 2500 but when driving on the road when you’re not towing you can always air down the tire pressures to give you more comfort, thanks for the videos, I watched a bunch of your videos mainly when I buy a new truck and what one of your reviews pop up ha ha and every time I see your videos I always say this guy is a good dude!!👍👍👍👍
Where I got my truck the tires ask for 80 psi but I keep them around 70. If I'm towing I might put the rears max at 75 just because I'm scared of the heat here in Texas.
What about a 3500 with the standard output Cummins? Payload with the pep of the 68RFE trans.
My tradesman 2022 3500 SRW regular cab long box 68rfe is 4200
Pedal monster makes a huge difference on the HO.
Makes a huge difference on the SO also. Traction control will try to do some work.
Where did you order? I want something for a 2021 ram 2500
@Carlos H I ordered directly from banks. Had it off for the winter and turned it back on last week. What a difference. People claim you can just mash the pedal harder. It is different than that off the line.
The suspension part is bias honestly. Ram has a in-between Ford and Chevy suspension. In my opinion it's perfect balance
interior is always great. Ford has the F250 HO with 500hp and 1200lb torque. I'll buy the Ford.. Ram has great looking trucks but the output is lacking. Ram needs to step up on the output and I'll be a fan. Yeah the 3500 can tow more like a lot more but your paying for that and if you do a lot of towing then the Ram is for you. 90+ grand for this truck is crazy though
I have been hearing that the 2022 and newer the motors are blowing up. Seems to be ever since they went to that new block things haven’t been right.
Heard the same. I would look for a clean 2021
Yep. 19’s and 20’s have the shit pump. So stay with a 21 or go back to a 4th gen.
I have a 22 ho so far so good
Cummins has the BEST engine brake period. I owned 6 semis all with the ISX Cummins motors and the main reason I purchased them was because of the superior engine exhaust braking system. Cummins had a whole cam dedicated to engine braking. I would chew bubble gum with 79500 lbs going down Sandstone Mountain in West Virginia ( a true 6% grade) any trucker worth their salt will tell you this is a top ten list for mountain braking. Cummins handled it like a sweet dream. Detroit and Catapillar=total fail on engine braking. Cummins passed with flying colors with room to spare. Facts.
Standard cummins is 19 to 1 compression which is a whole lot of compression. High output is a lil lower. That's why cummins shake the whole truck when you turn it off. Alot of momentum on the straight 6 block. 😂
I'm guessing the reason they rated the GVWR that much lower than the axle ratings (notice the difference in the 3500) likely has alot to do with commercial ratings and having to meet certain legal criteria. It's insane that the GAWRs are more than 2k pounds more capacity than the GVWR; whereas in the 3500 the difference is so slim. I wonder how much the "cost of compliance" has to do with that? Seems like they could have put 5k lb axles instead of 6k to save some $$, but no - the capacity of the axles are far beyond the compliance sticker. Hmmm ??
As an owner of a 22 Ram 2500 Limited, the payload is pathetic. But I will say, it pulls like there is nothing behind it. Tow a triple axle race trailer, insane tongue weight and even though it squated the truck a bit, it did it like nothing. Added bags, and the weight is no longer an issue. Is it legal, ehhhh. But the trucks can do it no problem. Sucks that they are rated so low.
I love love that night edition
I turn my exhaust brake on every time I drive my truck. ('17 Ram) I'm at 150,000 miles and have never needed to replace the brakes. I also have 37" tires with a 6" lift. It works!
Ram knows it has a great truck so they put out the price. I have been driving ram for 34 years. My 1989 12 valve wd250 4x4 19000$ my 03 3500 4x2 dually 24 valve 45000$ my 3500 single rear wheel 4x4 was 74000$ it is a 2021 ram it is high but in my opinion i think ram is the better of the 3 .best exhaust brake and stronger cab and the best frame out there. My body man that does my body work on my 36 Chevy said ram has tha thicker body metal and the best frame. He drives a ford because it is way cheaper.
Now do a dually comparison 3500 Standard Output & 3500 Hi-Output duallys 😅
Its the same engines and transmissions and 3.73 gears. The only difference is the payload
If you bought that truck, you could tell your car trailer about 30,000 miles round-trip😊
The Aisin kill power/torque everytime it shift to protect itself. I got my 22 HO in dealer for recalls. I think they updated the software. Now the throttle is very laggy and unresponsive. Make I drive like a grandpa now. Pretty boring.
I test drove the first year rear sping ride of the 2013 2500 and it rode like a cement truck. It sounds like it still still a very rough ride.
So what was 0-60 on both trucks?
slow vs slower
RAM Air suspension is for load leveling not for ride comfort.
I just got my F350 HO diesel. The dash has lots of gauges. HOWEVER, when you select the view that you want (IE: Diesel screen), once you shut the truck off, it goes back to the default screen. How dumb is that! THere was a rumor that you can store it in the seat position, steering wheel memory. WRONG
You can't compare a 3500 vs 2500 the differential gears are different.
It's like comparing a 3500 vs 5500 the 3500 will be faster even if they have the same exact engine and transmission the gears on the drive axle are not the same, and suspension are not the same, if they were, then what would be the point of having different platforms?
Your ears aren't 35 inches from your head ;-) Please put the sound meter next to your temple to measure what you are hearing, not what the sound measurement is 3 feet away. You will be the only Ytuber with accurate measurements ! Great review, TY for the comparison.
Try that again from 0 to 80 MPG
I would take the red one lol.
I’ve been saying this ever since they came out with the HO. The extra power is just in a certain rpm range and so for the most part the power difference is negligible. And also with as much torque management these trucks have to have it’s kind of pointless anyway. The 860 or whatever the standard output has is way more than any of us will ever need.
Cummins perfected the engine break. No one should ever be able to compete
Are you writing cummins perfected engines that break??
I would hope no one should be able to compete....
So the 2023 Ford F350 Tremor Lariat ultimate has more payload a lot more power better fuel economy better towing technology and faster... just curious why would I buy a Dodge again? Sorry not trying to be smart just curious
Cummins exhaust brake
I've got a 68rfe my dad's got the aisin both towing the same trailer with gross around 25.8k the aisin spanks its behind 68rfe doesn't hold up either unfortunately
What truck has the 68rfe and can pull over 25k lbs? I had a 21 3500 and it was only rated to tow 21k.
@@cmoshpit9171only 21k? That has to be a lie ateast 25k minimum ? Or why so low I don’t understand
@@cmoshpit9171or when you towed heavy how did you feel it handled?
@@cmoshpit9171and was it a dually or regular 3500
@carlosh6497 regular 3500. I tow 16k with it and its awesome
Ask them for a manual again.
I thought the 3500 H.O srw had a 3.42 gear ratio.
The 4.5 Gen (2019+) SRW trucks have 3.73's.
Lets go faster
Who work ram
I got a 22 ho bighorn and love it ...we all gotta love being in the great 🇺🇸 to be able to own these things! Most counties people can't get these big bad ass monsters! Idc if it's ram gm or ford love them all and hope the keep them coming ❤
All the negative comments you have against the HO are what makes the HO a better truck for real work, and a few 1/10s 0-60 means nothing to someone buying a truck for work rather than running around town.
Man....rams are nice and they look great and all, but my cousins f250 got 5.5 0-60...this ram is twice as slow!
Your cousin's F-250 isn't stock either. My 2014 Ram 2500 will do 0-60 in about 4.5s on 37s and 6" lift with just a tune and turbo swap. So yeah, apples to oranges.
@@monsterram6617 it's stock lololol
@@camonly849 It doesn't do 0-60 in 5.5s then! Derp!
Besides being way over priced Rams have way too many issues for me to even consider one. I just purchased a duramax 2500.
Stereotype from the 90s and early 2000s. Didn't Ben Hardy confirm that Consumer Reports rated Ram as more reliable of a brand than Ford and GM?
Zero issues with my 2022 ram 3500 SO Cummins. My boss had a 2022 duramax, had to have a motor put in. The cp4 pump let go at 13k miles
@@melloman5517 didn’t GM quit using the cp4 in 2016?
No my boss had a Bosch cp4 pump. Catastrophic failure. Gm replaced motor in 3 weeks no issues
@@melloman5517 researching it, it says they switched to denso hp4 in 2017 with the release of the LP5.
The HO is a 10 second truck
Yes the ho is slower empty. Put a trailer on them and do the same test.
🙋🏽♂️So if I get a 3500 with I6 SO and the 68 RFE transmission. Is it better? 🤔 becouse it was made in somewhere I’m looking at that option in a dealer right now.
Those things are SLOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW. My 2007.5 is loaded for full time living in an RV and when I am sited it sits at 9400 pounds. I do have the ATS Stage 2 68RFE. I get a 6 second 0 to 60. My trailer is a pull behind, the only way to go for full time, because of storage. It sits at 15000 pounds and the truck goes to 9800 pounds when loaded for towing to another spot. 75000 miles towing 250000 miles total. Runs like it is brand new.
Tuning has a lot to do with it. Factory tunes are always conservative and the trans tunes are never great. That's how you can get such a power increase with just tuning with CR injection. My 2014 2500 does 0-60 in about 4.5s. It's tuned, has a 2nd gen swap, and a Revmax 700 68rfe. Do the same thing to a 2019+ and it will perform about the same. It's all air+fuel in the end.
Ram in Canada is the cheapest out of the big three
The low output might have a lower geared rear end you get a thumbs down
Huh?
0 to 80 rpm