VHD in the USA: Videodisc Failure to Launch
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- In 1982 the US nearly got a third video disc system - nearly.
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I think I used these when I went to Ford Auto Tech school.
We had to take courses on outdated laser disk that didn't work very well.
I remember them being in special cases.
Lol people complain to YOU about 40 year old cgi somebody else goofed lol omg now you got to perfect articulation perfect for unfamiliar words my God political correctness society lol omg
turn on cc during the japanese dialog for as laugh
I hope these links have all been re-capped. :D
@@fortitude9932 political correctness?
As 42 years old Japanese man,
I must say this demo disc is Real Time Machine to my childhood.
This saves the mood of 80s era perfectly...
and Logo DECO made me scream!
I faxed my complaint to JVC in 1980. They replied with a cave drawing on a piece of slate. It was rather vulgar.
Are you sure you didn't accidentally fax it to JCVD?
@@tentringer4065 That old pervert.
Written in vulgar latin?
whoops, sounds like you mishandled a capacitative disk. Better luck next time
There are always those problems with sending faxes ... Are you sure you sent it to 1980 AD or to 1980 BC ?
Focusing on AHD. Last year I bought a 1985 TEAC A-919 DC amp. It was a bit of a blind purchase because I had no information about it, but it turned out to be brilliant.
This amp has a dedicated AHD line, color highlighted like the CD one (I figure to make them special somehow). They call these: digital outputs. Since I had no clue what AHD was, I tried some 33-year-old customer support from TEAC. Amazingly enough they replied.
They fed me information from one of the Japanese engineers who built this amp, and it turns out that, back in 1984, this amp was part of the AHD plan for Europe. When launched at Christmas 1985, they already knew AHD was not going anywhere near Europe, which also rendered this amp obsolete at the beginning of 1986.
Since the A-919 DC was the very top of the range, and no other TEAC amp has the AHD output, I can only assume they were planning to market AHD in Europe as better than (or at least as good as) CD.
I apologize for the long comment, I believe this was my first comment on CZcams anyway. Ever. Probably the last, because I tend to bore. :))
Cheers.
Thanks for the info, that’s fascinating. I’ve found a picture of the inputs here images.app.goo.gl/w5ixqvfkxhsb4yf86
Techmoan Really appreciate that. Actually bought that amp for those 3 tape lines. Later I found out from one of your videos that I could just have added an extender.
Some photos of the front: instagram.com/p/Bq-bn2ygeDe/?igshid=1oy3xsbxgckqw
Always love these background stories
Techmoan - Arabesque’s accidental PR manager!
Ironic that Arabesque's success comes from a revival by Techmoan
They may be awkward, but at least they were hot.
The people who posted their stuff on CZcams must be so confused right now...
I think the video calibration table would of been a better surprise.
I always liked Sandra Cretu, who would course go to a solo career and the voice of Enigma. Also she is hot!
Loved that New Zealand map correction :-D
I've collected Laserdisc for more than twenty years, got into it just before DVD came out.
I think Lasaerdisc's biggest advantages over its competitors had a lot to do with form-factor and packaging. At the time that Laserdisc debuted as a premium video format, vinyl records were still the generally best quality for audio for casual methods to play music. Audiophiles that weren't into reel-to-reel were already used to handling and storing 12" discs with paper jackets, and many Laserdiscs had jacket artwork as elaborate as anything you'd get with a record. Packaged Laserdiscs are thicker than vinyl records, but of the three formats they were the thinnest. More movies can fit on a linear distance of shelving due to the lack of caddy.
And then there's the video tape angle. CED didn't offer enough advantage over VHS and came with some pretty serious drawbacks for player reliability, and if the picture quality wasn't especially better than VHS then there wasn't a lot of reason to adopt it. Laserdisc was essentially broadcast-quality, and players are pretty reliable (both my players still have all their original parts, no new belts or anything) so if one could afford it, LD had some perks for higher end simply not readily available through any other medium.
EDIT: As for DVD, it took off in part because of marketing, but in part because it was priced right. LD titles frequently cost $50 or more new (mine were literally all used) and VHS was around $20. DVDs launched for less than $30, often $24.99, and prices fell dramatically. Additionally as better TVs became the norm, people wanted to replace older VHS titles with DVD quality, and the rightsholders responded, putting lots of older titles out on DVD and for lower prices than new releases.
It's always great to start my Sunday with a bowl of sugary cereal and watch a British guy prattle about obscure video disc formats for half an hour. Thanks for making my morning something just a little bit more special.
The best sunday mornings!
Its always good to start my Sunday with a bowl.
Some of the release titles are great. "Everything you always wanted to know about sex", "How to avoid being cheated at cards". Amazing.
"Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Sex" is a Woody Allen film from c.1972.
New video from Techmoan. Great for a calm Sunday.
Amen
No - I don't think so? (maybe to the royal family), do you do, anything over the weekend to mark it, (is it just the one day, or the hole weekend (Saturday - Sunday), here in the UK, Queen Victoria's birthday would have been next week on May 25, (Saturday), but it just a normal weekend day here. any help. :-)
better than Cames Jharles and Wati Testbrook
you should just say "Matsus***ta" with a censorship bleep, so nobody can complain
That’s a good idea.
If you have an old DVD reader, particularly those found inside laptops, you'll see in BIOS and low-level hardware descriptions that it's named MatsushitaDVD. Well, ehm a friend of mine glanced over it quickly and asked me why does it say matsu-shit-a-DVD?
Hiro Matsushita used his family’s Panasonic money to buy into Indycar racing in the 1990s. The American TV commentators could never settle on a correct pronunciation of his name, either.
(His nickname was “King Hiro:” he had a habit of getting in the way of faster drivers, who would then complain about him over their voice-activated radios, which would cut off the first syllable of their epithets.)
@@StrongOneX That sounds like my mom and her "shy take" mushrooms because she couldn't think of any other way to say shiitake without sounding rude.
But seriously, isn't leaving out the I in Matsushita more of a dialect thing, like how some say you shouldn't pronounce a U after an S even though native speakers do it all the time? They aren't really hard vowels like in English, but some do leave a hint of them in when the speak.
It would be fun to start emailing eastern you-tubers and point out how the butcher western words ;)
yes I was hoping for California Girls as the unlabeled VHD , great video sir and best of luck on your channel.
@@electrictroy2010 It's called Momoco Club. It basically seems to be one of those Japanese "teen idol" shows/groups. Like an 80s/90s version of AKB48 and similar current groups.
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I recognize that "Thunder Storm" game. It came out on the Sega CD as "Cobra Command". One of the better FMV titles.
It was also ORIGINALLY an arcade laserdisc game (believe it or not) just like the *Dragon's Lair* franchise!
I think "Dragon's Lair" was also a Sega CD game as well at one point if I can recall correctly.
Nathan Andrew Davis yup, I owned Dragon's Lair on Sega CD
During the video, when you said "So that's it", my brain expected to hear "for the moment, as always thanks for watching"
Mat, the more you talk about this system and it's discs, the more I want to invest in it for the nostalgic value, and I NEVER had interest in Laser disc or the RCA system (though I also love your coverage of those formats as well). Thank you for your continued focus and dedication to obscure, unknown and under-appreciated formats.
your videos get more and more exciting each time i watch them just because you go out of your way to find physical copies of films and the players to play them on while also managing to enjoy yourself at the same time.
The 3DO system was involved with this and Matsushita, (later).
The Thunderstorm game looks like a redo of the laser disc arcade game Cobra Command. A game from the same time period and system as Dragons Lair.
Also, the clip of the movie effects shot with the blood spray, has a very young effects wizard Tom Savini in it with his trademark mustache. He did tons of horror effects in films.
Actually it's exactly the same content as Cobra Command, not a re-do. When Data East made the discs, they included two title screens -- possibly a hedge so they could switch titles without re-making the discs. Somewhere I have a VHS copy of the entire game, with both title screens "Cobra Command" and "Thunder Storm," but someone has undoubtedly posted it on CZcams somewhere too. Interestingly, "Come in Cobra Command" would be mentioned in the soundtrack even when if the Thunder Storm title had been shown.
For an example of that, see czcams.com/video/MVDNYWVC1bE/video.html
Scott Elliott The FMV game Cobra Command eventually did get a north american release in 1992 on the Sega CD. I had it! It was definately one of the better FMV games. The Easter Island level was my favourite,
This VHD video series has been brilliant. Thank you for producing it!
Glad you liked them
That Thunder Storm footage is gold. The MSX never ceases to surprise me.
Arabesque was great! Beginning of Sandra's career. She had successful solo career as well as being voice in her then husband's Enigma project. And she still continue her career.
"Hello Mr. Monkey" what's that about?
It's about 3 mins 28 seconds.
@@Techmoan DOH!!!
About one minute 15 seconds into this caught my eye: czcams.com/video/tz0R6f-Txmc/video.html
20:51 I write it here because no one is writing here.
Her name is Yasuha, the daughter of the famous Japanese Rakugo comedian Hayashiya Sanpei I.
You know I think your channel's videos now need to start with that "You are now in the VHD world" splash screen, but have it say Techmoan World imstead.
When you played the clip from the Thunder Storm game. It reminded me of ‘Cobra Command’ that came bundled with the SEGA Mega CD 2 it looks the be the same game even had the same start sequence and voice. Great video as always.
Yes! Cobra Command was its name in the US. It was a LaserDisc arcade game and later ported / adapted to other platforms. I played this a fair amount as a kid in the arcades but it was pretty hard and unforgiving. It was basically trial and error on position and timing until you memorizeed the hit boxes and cursor movements.
Yup its the same game that came out on the Sega CD as Conra Command. I had it! My favourite level was the easter island level. I used to play through the game all the time (yes i could routinely best it), it had about 10 levels as I recall.
Cliff Richard did have some success in the U.S. in the late '70s-early '80s, with "We Don't Talk Anymore" and "Dreamin'" both cracking the Billboard Top 10.
Yup, and "Devil Woman" still gets airplay on classic rock stations -- though I never do remember who the artist is.
"Please fax your complaints to 1980" hahahaha
This episode is approved by the New Zealand Geographical Society.
Okay, band meeting...
Poor New Zealand. Forgotten by so many mapmakers.
@@bhull242 Maybe that's a good thing.
i wonder if it was an early attempt by peter jackson to show off his beloved country
There's a lovely subreddit: Maps Without New Zealand
I know that I'm late, but two thumbs up. I learn more from you and Technology Connections than a majority of you tube channels
Loving the content. Thank you! These old format videos you do are quite interesting on what ideas we had years ago.
This is definitely one of the very best channels on CZcams. Great work.
I just finished up binging the Oddity Archive and *his* thoughts on CED and other obsolete, screw-up media.
I don't know why I was surprised, but it was a surprise to see Techmoan in the end-slate Patreon list.
Old tat makes great bedfellows.
Another super video about a format I'd never heard of and have no interesting in owning. Love it
Really enjoyed this. I appreciate the time you have spent on this research. This channel is perfect for me
extremely informative and entertaining. i learn new things with every video
Born in the US in 1982. The only laser disc player i've ever seen was in a dark corner of my middle school library. Only a few people knew about it. I spent a more than a few rainy lunch periods watching movies like back to the future. It was considered a relic by the mid 90's, so that figure of ownership peaking in 1998 is surprising.
Rising incomes, that allowed to buy that.
A fantastic insight into another forgotten format. Thank you for taking the time and effort to make these 2 videos. btw, I love the Kickstopper video and appreciate the effort taken to compile it.
Again you bring a smile to m face Matt. I can't remember how many reps came into my shop offering this and that when it came to new formats.
Customers were always asking me which format was going to win and all I could say was probably none of them.
I've never heard of the Eatles before. Were they like the Beatles but with a fast food addiction?
Flippin 'Eck! You never heard of their first release: 'Elp?
"All My Oven"
"Lucy in the Pie with Diamonds"
"Let It Cheese"
At last I see...
Nah, the Eatles had classics like Motel Colorado.
and Hello Submachine
Don't forget a Bay in the Knife. I cry every time at the knife sharpening sounds at the end of it
Its neat to see all the various formats you uncover. I honestly must have lived in a cave in the 80's and 90's because except for laser disk I had no idea the other formats could have been.... Trouble with laser disk was it was darn expensive compared to the first affordable VCR machines that I kind of remember costing around $350 circa 1984.
Your videos are always so well researched!
Thank you for this entertaining and informational video. The end was the best, as I was really curious about what was on that disc inside the clear caddie.
"Doc! We gotta go back to 1980! They didn't put Guam on the map!"
"Marty, no American can point out Guam on a map anyway."
Well I'm 25 and can point it out, it's out by it's lonesome somewhere between the Philippines, Japan, and Hawaii.
Orange Harrison I can also pick it out. I love geography and I live in the USA. It is true though that most Americans don’t have too much understanding of the world around them! It’s not their fault, it’s the fault of the public school system in the USA. I was taught about geography and it made me interested in Shortwave among other things. Politics is not my thing though.
Great video, and I'm kind of surprised that it came this close to launching in the US, only reason why I even knew what VHD even was came from looking into MSX stuff one day really bored when I was looking into collecting for the system. Although I have nearly bought a RCA CED a couple of times as I've ran into players with discs like 4 times now in just the last few years.
You do such a great job in turning all the information and facts into an interesting video :)
How can people dislike this content? Anyway Techmoan keep trucking on. All the best to you I can't wait till you hit the 1 mill subscribers mark, you deserve it!
0:59. Thank you, Techmoan, for giving us a fifty-first state!
Can't wait to see your evaluation of it!
I noticed that too!
"california girls" looks pretty spicy, woah momma
Sir i love all of your videos and they are all well thought out and you can tell you have either done extensive research or you just know you thing... prob both. GREAT JOB!! :-)
Another outstanding and educational video! Your channel is awesome.
As usual, I came for the obscure tech but stayed for the lowkey shade throwing.
18:31 - That old school anime style. :)
Great vid. I wish you good luck on finding more of those VHD discs. Maybe even the prototype USA VHD player.
your sark and British wit never ceases to make me chuckle when I watch these!
Just want to say how well produced and interesting all your videos are. This is better than most TV nowadays.
Lovely presentation as well.
I could listen to a middle-aged guy talk enthusiastically about old technology all day.
Cliff Richard was all over the radio in the early 80's here in the states.
Great work as always, very entertaining, laughed out loud several times:)
Utterly fantastic half hour of entertainment. Thanks Matt for bringing the forgotten formats to life.
Another excellent deep dive. I love this kind of stuff, especially when you can actually find media produced for a format.
This isn't too related to VHD, in which I mean not in the slightest, but I wonder if you've had a look at the HitClips format? Since you did Pocket Rockers a while back, this might be worth a look.
Thanks for giving New Zealand the respect it deserves :D (from a kiwi)
Great job sir! Wonderfully concise!
Great work great review love your work ❤
Arabesque again ? - It's like being Rick-Rolled ! !
That "California Girls" disc cover though....obviously meant high quality inside.
Kurt Stedman Ha! What a cover!
Oh, do I miss the 80s. A time that will never come again.
Before SJWs ruined everything imagine that in a product promotional video now people would be screaming about toxic masculinity
I'm thorougly amused looking at all those magazine ads from the 80/90's, with boobage advertising everything. Miss those times...
@@jayqueue6784 No one would say that was an example of toxic masculinity, at most they would say it was male gaze - but lots of lesbians get on their case for acting like the world is only straight. There's definitely not any kind of consensus there, certainly not for you to worry about.
(Also I feel it worth pointing out that that phrase is meant to get across that being masculine isn't itself inherently bad. The word toxic is a modifier, like milk or dark for chocolate.)
The plot-twist in the end was awesome! Who could`ve imagined what`s on that blank disk you showed on the previous VHD video!
Arabesque!-) being a fan of your channel for about a year, enjoying it very much each episode!! More of it!!!
I forgot about the Disc Lord... Greatest marketing in history!
@@davidjames579 ...and I bring you!
@@davidjames579 You're luck my LD collection is in the next room or it would have heard you and accepted it as a challenge.
"The Man Who Loved Animals" until he got caught at it.
He started an ideology/death cult - it's called Islam.
@@davidjames579 Sounds like you recognize where I got that. :-)
@@davidjames579 Mary had a little lamb.
I hope that didn't come bundled with "Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Sex"
Love the size of your New Zealand overlay, proud Kiwi watching down under
Ekusaitingu gemu desu ne! Man, I love wasei-eigo. Great video yet again, Mr. Moan.
19:44 I actually own the Rare VHS release of the mascot character they used to advertise the VHD format from Anime Vision Magazine. You mind if I reference your video when I cover that one day?
Feel free.
@@Techmoan Appreciate it. Incidentally those VHD releases of Anime Vision magazine rarely go for sale. I only have a few images of an auction from yahoo japan from around 2016 that even proves they exist. I'll keep you posted if I ever track them down. For now all I have are the VHS releases they did after the VHD format failed, though I've been told those are "specials" & not proper issues.
Kenny Lauderdale and Techmoan, a crossover for the ages
Looking forward to the CD-I video.
its a shame the players these days are not too reliable what with the timekeeper battery issue unless you get to the battery via cutting out the battery on the ceramic chip but im sure mat would have that sorted.
And as always, loved your vid :D
Your videos are historical documents. Incredible production. Thank you!
Thorn EMI put me through university, paid for my driving lessons and paid me a wage throughout all that (mid '80's), then made me redundant almost immediately as they closed the arm I officially worked for. Must have cost them a fortune !
Oh God ... your lavish life style killed Thorn Emi.
Lol well it might have doomed DER anyway 😂
I’d have no interest at all in nearly all of the things you cover if it weren’t for the fact they’re in videos made by you. Your videos are well-produced and well-researched. You also have a fantastic camera manner and a passion for what you’re talking about that shows and is infectious. Great content.
pretty much the coolest thing yet lol. thanks for collecting all this stuff and sharing.
Great job on adding New Zealand onto that map! I couldn't tell the difference between the addition and the original VHD screenshot.
*instantly googles Momoco Club*
wow... there was actually blue moon (astronomical occurrence) just today... and this video is called "once in a blue moon"...
This is sooo exciting, hope good ppl (like you) will get hold of those discs and preserve them
A lot of smug and wit when dealing with (stupid) complaints from previous videos... I love it, keep it up.
Thanks Techmoan for another excellent video - Where do I sign up for Momoco Club!?
Looked it up, apparently it was a large Jpop band. Maybe he just meant it was _really_ not his taste in music lol
I got a bit nervous when you were cracking open that case at the end. If I damaged a disc that rare I'd be devastated.
Even with it being what it is
Blimey, this is like the demo of the century part 2 (RIP Doug Englebert). But seriously, this format had so many applications it's just fantastic. Thanks for this video, superb detail and a joy to watch.
But it didn't have a mouse
Great work Mat.
Even in Japanese, you are technically pronouncing "Matsushita" correctly. The audio clip you found of the pronunciation is actually a contraction. Japanese contractions like this were actually frowned upon into the 1980's according to my various Japanese grammar books. But all language changes over time and by the late 80's, they realized they weren't going to stop it no matter what they did.
@Adrian Stevens So, exactly what expertise do you have regarding Japanese spoken prior to WW1? The oldest of my grammar books has a copyright date of 1908. I'll take its word over the word of someone who would need to be in excess of 130 years old to have legitimate experience to say otherwise.
@Adrian Stevens Your confusion stems from the fact that I have 70+ years of documentation in textbooks pointing out that those contractions aren't acceptable. Just as in American English, "Ain't" is unacceptable, but we hear it all the time.
@Adrian Stevens LOL. You miss the point, just because something is done doesn't make it right.
@@danajorgensen8943 What happened here?
@@solarstrike33 Mr/Mrs Stevens deleted the posts made from that account. Couldn't argue his point against actual grammar books. I've forgotten the specifics, but he was arguing about contractions in Japanese.
Old technology is something that I never knew I would love so much
I love your videos! Great presentation, great memories, and oh so informative! Thanks so much. By the way, I read and speak Japanese fluently so if you ever need a brochure or manual or even just a title translated, I'd be happy to help.
Quality content as always
My friends father had All newest tech of the Times..he passed away and when clearing the house i Found a VHD player with 12 videos. Die hard etc. At that time i junked it.. kicking myself now...I didn't Know how Rare it was. Wouldn't load the Candy.
We all do silly things without knowing.
I would kick my 21 old self the day he brought an Amiga 1000 with hundreds of floppy and an 8086 emulation card to the recycling plant.
I hate it when the Candy doesn't load!
LOAD"CANDY",8,1
?LOADING ERROR
READY.
Buddy Clem
Don't despair. Just recalibrate the 1541's read/write head.
Don't feel too bad, we all do exactly that one good time without knowing. When I was 10 I purchased an entire 286 Commador system just in parts with a few small things missing. I had no idea what it was. Originally I thought it was an apple 2 or something. It sat in a box for another 7 years before I just tossed it. Realized what it was another year later.
@@frankschneider6156 A little isopropyl alcohol and a cotton swab should do the trick.
Just wait until I perfect my punch card digital video player
Another cracking video! Infotainment! You're like a digital Indiana Jones 2.0 searching for ancient obsolete tech history and relics!
Very interesting video, amazes me how many technologies failed to even get released in the US back then
2:20 @World Maps Without New Zealand
Translation from 22:03
Girl: Ah~ What are you doing? It's amazing!
Man: With 60 minutes on each side of the disc, videos and sounds are recorded in a very high density. Then the personal computer will pick up the exact data and that allows us to manipulate videos freely! It is only possible to play this "Game of Dream" since the basic design and interface of VHD system is firmly made! Also, there are a lot of discs in which computer program itself is written onto the disc itself, so it allows us to have "EXCITING" game experience with live audio and video. VHD have totally changed the game itself!
Girl: Oh, look! Gotcha! Isn't it amazing?
Man: You weren't listening, were you?
Girl: Of course I didn't!
It's not for your channel, these obscure audio and video formats that you profile would never be known to me. Thank you so much for sharing.
WOW!! And here I thought DVD was the forerunner of branching content technology. Love these tech history videos!!! And yes, I re-pronounce it “Mat-soo-sh’tah” in my head every time you say Matsushita. 🤣🤣
Wow, you guys know about Oak Island.....
Aww, that mystery disc was a bit of a let down, but oh well, at least it's an actual disc... :D
As for faxing JVC, I could do with some tech support on my Ferguson portable VHS recorder, seeing as they made it, I think......
I just love your videos! And I am looking forward to a CD-i video in the future! (Will you cover the bad Zelda games too? xD)
I like that You are always including "adjusted for inflation" when mentioning prices. It is really helpful !