Looking at this item too. I have the Scarlett 4i4, which gives 4 mono inputs into my DAW, but they also show in stereo pairs like 1-2 and 3-4. The key is how 12 individual tracks plus the master mix can all show up separately in YOUR DAW THRU ONE USB! That is how this thing makes sense. For me, it means I will not be SWAPPING cables around all the time because I want to record a different instrument, and I can record the band simultaneously and master everybody's tracks individually in the DAW. Gonna buy this bad boy! The keys are the multiple tracks across USB and the power this gives your DAW. Sorry I'm repeating myself but dang, this is cool.
Been loving mine for almost 2 years... Awesome board that has done absolutely everything I've asked of it. Recording, mixing, stemming, summing, mastering... this board does it all. No other board quite like it.
Can you tell / explain how the USB return works in a DAW (Studio One) do I just assign each track back to the mixer as an output to the particular channel and then I can mix my multitrack recording on the console instead of in the box (daw) ?
@@supersonicsroots Exactly. The USB RTN button basically changes the input to an output to send tracks out to. But it can also be used with an input, like a guitar or a mic, at the same time. It's called a virtual insert. Using your plugins as inserts, like guitar sims or auto tune. Works splendidly.
I love my Soundcraft 12MTK. Currently recoding 11 mics/inputs for our band. The Mixes come out amazing, because I can get in there an really EQ/Compress/De-Ess all of the individual channels. It so much more pro level to be able to work on this level vs. a simple stereo output channel. By the way, I love the Ghost Pre-Amps. Very Quiet. One of the most feature rich multitrack mixers you can buy for a home studio. Simply Amazing. You have actually gone into a lot more detail with the USB/digital routing you can do in the box as well. I still feel like I'm not using this thing to its full potential and I am already pushing it. Best money ever spent on gear for sure!!!!!!!
This thing is really almost like having a mini-pro mixing console. BTW. As a recommendation. Pick up a Waves SSL-E Channel plugin. (on sale it was $29) Now you can add that to each individual channel in your mixes. Mini SSL console. Its pure rock and roll goodness!!!!
@@chansomanmusic I have not tried that yet, that is my next step. It is my understanding it can be done. This guy goes into it in this video on the SC22. Part of me is wondering if there is an easier way with the internal routing and USB.
@@chansomanmusic Yes you can... I analog sum my mixes this way. Soundcraft doesn't mention it much, but this board is an amazing analogue summing console.. straight up... stellar. Been loving my MTK for almost 2 years now.
Wait. Don't listen to haters, i LIKE the fact that you're using Behringer. Of course we all know of their occasional engineering mishaps and general quality issues, but they do take their mission of giving creatives what they want and need cheaper than anyone else quite seriously! If you can get your work done with one of those for years, then so can your audience. I bet most Behringer haters are just bandwagoning and don't actually have first-hand experience. But this thing you got recommended here IS unique and interesting and quite affordable too!
Bought this few years back based on so many YT videos. A lot of my channels have failed since then. Probably one of thee quickest failing electronic device I have purchased.
I'm using this mixer for home studio and it's really great and versatile. Also noteworthy is it's class compliant and has a power USB port on the front panel. Which means you can technically record without computer using an iPhone connected to it with Garageband or similar app. In terms of footprint, you can make it even smaller by unscrewing the two cheeks, or replace them with thinner wood-made ones :)
Went to StoreDJ in Melbourne last weekend. Almost bought a Yamaha 16 track mixer. Talked to Poz. He mentioned this mixer sends multi-tracks over USB. I bought this instead. Thank you Poz.
The zoom L-12 allows like 8 mono and two stereo outs thru usb. Only 4 can be sent out of it thru usb and they are technically stereo but if you pan hard you can get 4 mono tracks.
Thanks Epos for answering the obvious questions i had when looking at this about a month ago! You're ahead of me again :D - nobody else i found seemed to explain the channels properly!
Hi there i have this mixer in my studio and you have yours setup in a way your actually disabling the fucntions of it channel 11/12 and used as the master track when used in the way with each channel on the mixer being sent to your internal tracks and 11/12 being sent to the master this is done this way so you can capture any eqs at the desk or gain staging so 11/12 to you master and then the master split to aux out for recording on the master channel you have a INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL LISTEN when in external listen mode in a daw or program you can capture any tracks but for you it would make more sense to work in external mode and send everything back in and down 11/12 and that to the master then you can mix anything you like and take calls down both channels by all means when in a recording mode you can ignore the channel being panned and send a left and right or a doubled mono track back in recording mode you can wire it anyway you want the layout for grouping of tracks are for when the mixer is in a daw mixing mode but during recording ANYTHING GOES so the desk can fully meet your needs just 11/12 isnt just for systems sounds its your master track that loopback in combination with the master track if you want any info on how i have mine set by all means drop us a message
@@EposVox it's always the two capacitors at C111 & C113 and usually the 75Kohm resistor at R102 is bar-b-q'd on 2016 PSU's. Easy swap of discrete thru hole components. No more than 15 minutes for a bench tech. I have kits available in the group too. Cheers from T.O. 🍻
Except... you know... the complete lack of physical controls, not actually having separate Windows devices for each input and output... most of the things I need, uhh sure. I specifically said I was avoiding ASIO-only multichannel devices.
It routes only the track with PFL pressed to the headphone jack without modifying the mix which is what I understood a solo button to be, but this is also my first mixer so maybe I missed something that's more useful about other solo buttons.
It's been my experience with SOME mixers that Solo In Place functions are 'destructive' - they sometimes mute all other inputs and affect the mix buss in order to monitor the input. I think the issue is how some label what their "solo" does. I think the most desired effect for this unit would be a AFL so you can hear more than just the input pre-fader, since that's what's going to your main mix. PFLs are great for checking your headroom or just checking a source is there before you turn a fader on, since PFLs will let you listen to a source even if the fader's at zero. I've almost always seen these all together, or at the very least an AFL labeled as SOLO or SIP. But when things are labeled solo without the others, I've found they just mute the other inputs on the monitor and the main mix outputs, rather than 'cueing' a signal like an AFL, which I think we almost always want both AFL and PFL, rather than the 'correct' SIP function.
Yeah the PFL on here mutes everything else. Solo on the Behringers was an AFL solo that sent it to headphones/control room alongside whatever other mixes were going.
I got this for the usb advantages and then not set it up for months, but at last ai have so time. You comment that you can not hear tracks to the headphone, you can use afl to direct to the headphone to check levels
The Yamaha MG12XUF is an amazing mixer with this "special" feature in addition to having the ability to group channels and route them to a master volume control so you don't have to control them individually. It's also cheaper with more effects and an actual power switch.
Everything and everyone I have found that can/has tested it has confirmed both the 12 and 10 from that line only present a 2/2 USB interface to Windows. You can access each input over ASIO, that's very common, but useless for streaming and video conferencing, OBS, screen recording, basically everything except music. That's what's "special" about this, as it didn't exist on anything cheaper prior to the GoXLR and PreSonus Revelator devices.
@@EposVox I see a lot of streamers on CZcams and Twitch using the Yamaha, so I'm not sure how that can be useless. The SoundCraft is probably perfect for dated setups and computers with cheap soundcards and only 3 input/outputs.
@@EposVox When looking at your other video featuring the Yamaha mixer, it looks like you just have a cheap soundcard problem, which by the way is not with 99% of computers unless you don't know how to build your own.
There is no “cheap soundcard problem” - the mixer itself does NOT send more than a stereo pair up and down over USB, thus it doesn’t have the feature that was my selling point for the SoundCraft. Other sound cards are completely irrelevant to that point as they have nothing to do with it. Those Yamaha mixers do not give separate devices for the inputs to Windows, only a final stereo mix. Thus it’s not a better nor cheaper solution for that specific reason this entire thing was about.
Wow, you came out with this quick review, quickly. This may alleviate me from having to use voicemeeter to hear audio from both my streaming and gaming pc at the same time. Would I be correct with that determination?
to resolve the issue with channel pairing I made a XLR to double jack cable so that my main mic takes the 2 first channels. I dont need all the channels anyway so this resolves it :D
Presonus AR series works in both ways. I used this with 1/2 and it worked just fine, switch inputs. The presonus AR series you can run USB to post fader. It works for what I do.
I just ordered this to replace my presonus ar8. Internal power supply has failed twice in 3 years. First tim within the 1 year presonus warranty. Second time outside of it. Make a high pitch noise from the power supply. Not from the outputs but from the physical mixer. Very annoying. Great mixer when it worked right thought. This has more channels which is a plus.
Thank you so much for the awesome work you do! Would you be willing to make a follow-up video of this beast in your workflow? I have a lot of detail oriented questions, but mainly I'm curious how everything works for a livestream. This seems like a dream setup. I want to nail down my audio and I'm so tired of VoiceMeeter. It makes me want to break things.
I havent got a hold of this mixer but i was thiking.... Why dont you use the master LR instead of 1/2 input. In that way you will get a stereo output for every mono input u r using. Even if you are recording it directly, wont the mono signal (eg:- channel 1 mic) gets recorded like in 2 monos(L&R)? Provided if you dont do any panning and keep the channel at the centre?
Because I need each device as a separate input. 1/2 has my main mic, 3/4 has my second mic, 5/6 is my discord output, 7/8 is my gaming PC, 9/10 is my game consoles, 11/12 is system sound. The whole reason to buy this mixer over cheaper ones is that USB multitrack support, and that's what I bought it to use.
It's pretty easy... you grab a second two channel interface and run your MTK into it. Ultimate control for audio levels in OBS. That's how I have my streaming rig setup with a Focusrite 2i2. Keeps the audio/daw on one system, video/obs on another, no resource issues.
Not sure if you looked at the Roland MX-1 - it has 18 in/out at 96khz. it may only have 14 in /out if you don't use the 4 Roland AIRA link usb connections but it has been a workhorse in my studio for recording/performing
So, if using this as a USB audio interface, are the EQ and effects not heard when I am streaming on OBS? I want to be able to use this with EQ and FX when streaming.
This sounds like the mixer i have been searching for for over a year now. Edit: Now that i've finished the review, this -almost- sounds like the mixer i've been searching for. Those are some quirks....
I'm told voip apps typically down mix to mono so the left channel shouldn't be an issue, but I did have people having trouble hear me on voip with just the USB so I'm keeping the analog anyway
On this; Perhaps you could clone the mic to a virtual audio cable, downmix to mono using voicemeeter, and set your mic in discord/skype/etc for this? No further setup would ever be needed, and it achieves downmix to mono.
thanks for the review man, did you ever find a fix or real work around for voice calls like discord and such? or was there any driver updates that resolved the mono only issue? I ask because i use a laptop and wont have the same options you mentioned
Got this last year with a high-quality USB cable from Audioquest this Mixer delivers high-quality results.! I am now considering the bigger version with more ins and outs/
I think you misunderstood. Looking at this item too. I have the Scarlett 4i4 which gives 4 mono inputs into my DAW, but they just show in stereo pairs like 1-2 and 3-4. The key is how 12 individual tracks plus the master mix can all show up separately in YOUR DAW THRU ONE USB! That is how this thing makes sense. For me, it means I will not be SWAPPING cables around all the time because I want to record a different instrument, and I can record the band simultaneously and master everybody's tracks individually in the DAW. Gonna buy this bad boy! The keys are the multiple tracks across USB and the power this gives your DAW.
Have you tried running your Shure SM7B off this board? Wondering if the mic preamps are able to handle that mic or not? I have to run a Cloudlifter on my PreSonus to get anywhere near usable gain.
I don't own a SM7b, it was on loan from another CZcamsr. However, I can almost guarantee the pre-amps aren't good enough. You'll need a cloudlifer/fethead at minimum with 99.9% of mixers.
Thanks for the review, I havent been using a mixer for last 10 years and considering whether to go back. How do you rate the Ghost preamps in this model? anything special or just does the job, nothing else?
Got a Soundcraft Signature 12 MTK as my first mixer and the volume is VERY quiet when playing guitars through it (either mic or DI) and going out to my KRK speakers or Headphones. The Gain, Channel Fader (routed to master and group 1-2) and Master are all cranked to the max. Sometimes it reaches -3 max volume on the Master Meter, but that's it. Is there something I'm missing here? I heard these mixers were quiet to help clipping, but this is barely audible.
This comment is really late, but did you find a better way to ungroup the 1/2 grouping? Any new firmware, driver updates since 4 years ago? Looking for a easier way to mono a channel for pretty much the same things you mentioned. Voice calls.
( hey. nice vid and unboxing demo. i have a question and hope you can help me. so, does this Signature 12MTK board, can it playback several channels FROM a DAW as individual channels on the board? i have Garageband on my Iphone and pre-recorded 4 separate instrument tracks (guitar, bass, piano and drums) for a song. will i be able to assign (playback) a single instrument on a single channel on the board? i'm talking about being able to mix (the volume[faders]) of the individual instruments on the board, considering that these sounds are all coming from Garageband and not from inputs to the board like XLR or Line-in. i hope i was able to describe it in an understandable way for you. looking forward for your answer. thank you! )
So if all the channels are paired you can’t record say eight mono tracks from the XLR inputs in the DAW as eight independent tracks. If that’s true then maybe it’s ok for pod casting etc, but useless for recording a live band. I was looking at this because I thought id get at least the eight XLR Chanel’s as independent inputs in the DAW.
Your complaint is that mixer runs channels in pairs 1/2; 3/4 and so on and that is why you get audio from only one side - yes? Why not use 7/8 and 9/10 channels for discord/skype and other calling stuff. Those two channels give sound in both left and right. And as far as I can see the only difference here is that 1 and 2 has limiter. Sorry for commenting and old video but this part was really confusing while I was waiting for my MTK12 and I was a little bit worried for this.
I think you mixed up my complaint - I do use 5/6 for discord/skype. Output is not the problem. The problem is microphones only go in 1 input at a time so it's only 1 instead of both 1 and 2
@@EposVox Probably so.. also language barrier does not help us comunicate hehe. I just got the mixer and I had quite a few worries... especially about information on the forums regarding PRE EQ recording... I thought there is no way to record with EQ applied but there is... using master track hehe I am happy. Also thank you very much for this video as it was really informative. I was afraid it will be super biased and won't touch on a cons of this mixer because of the title but it was superb. I wish you good luck in making amazing videos in a future!
Ok, now I'm finally finding videos of people actually digging into this genre of mixers. But here's my question.... What else compares? And are there cheaper options that do the same in principle? I'm looking at the Behringer UFX1204, it's perfect for my needs but the question of their quality (and lack of actually seeing it in use this way) has me concerned. But the price... I really like your reviews, I think I'll stick around.
I don't know about Skype but discord mixes your microphone down to mono, my current audio interface only outputs my mic on line 1 to the left side and it comes out on both sides from discord
Yeah. If you put the mic in channel 2 you wouldn't hear anything on Skype at least, which records from the left side only. Not sure about discord either. But the real problematic situation with this comes in when you talk to people on Team Talk in a stereo channel. You could probably go to sounds, recording tab, click on the wdm driver for channels 1/2, properties, advanced tab or hardware tab and set the sample rate to a mono option. I don't have this mixer though so I'm stabbing in the dark. That would mix 1/2 down to stay in the middle I think. Then the issue becomes, what if you want to pan yourself? Lots of mixers can let you set pan on each mic channel to move yourself a bit. With this mono trick that won't work. Also if you get effects to come in on that channel somehow, any reverbs would be forced down to mono.
How does the USB return work with a daw like Studio One for example? Can you engage YSB return per track and then mix the already recorded tracks on this console? Cause that's what I'd buy this for tbh
@EposVox just went out and picked up a 12MTK. I’m on MacOS (Catalina) and am not seeing the breakout of the channels as separate audio devices like what you have here in the video. Indeed, in OBS I see a single source (the 12MTK) as an audio option but not individual channels (1-2, 3-4, etc). It looks like the drivers on Soundcrafts website is PC Specific and in the manual (from what I see) it states that on Mac no extra drivers are needed. What am I missing?
How do you map USB audio back into the mixer? I have this mixer and use it with Studio 1. The USB portion as you know only lets you use the gain knobs on the channel before going into the DAW. My recording chain starts out with a mic, to preamp, to Soundcraft Board, to Computer. You mentioned mapping USB audio back into the mixer. How do you do that and what would the advantages be? Thanks
Had 2 of these. My 3rd Soundcraft. I like the planning but I am not impressed with the quality of these boards. All 3 broke within 2 years and never left the studio. Never buy another. I am going for Allen & Heath. Better sound, can actually export effects via USB and just a better board. Just limited to 4 in and out USB however. I'll live.
Is there any information on why the audio volume send through USB is about 12db lower? Gain is set on 0db on the mixer's meters, but when USB RTN is pressed on the channel, all my devices tested register the audio at -12db. Very frustrating...
I am pretty sure discord forces everything to mono anyways. the tascam uphoria is not a mixer but an interface with the same thing. i have the 4 input version and windows sees it as 2 stereo audio devices and i always use it for discord having my mic in just input 1 even though discord is set to input 2. i have even been looking for a way to voicechat with discord in stereo mode but it's impossible because they force it to mono to save bandwidth. only bots(like music bots) can output stereo. now there is a possibility that that was different as of the making of the video but still thought.
Was so excited to get this after watching the video been looking for exactly this mixer. The matter usb return is really low levels for OBS and XSplit have you had any luck with that?
It's a little quieter than analog out, but it's still completely usable. USB usually ends up being quieter in most mixers. Just add a little gain in OBS w/ a compressor/limiter to prevent clipping and you're good.
I'm considering this, or I've actually kinda decided on it as my next purchase to replace other things i have. But I've read the documentation for it, and I just want to make sure if I got it right. I will be able to adjust the monitoring volume for the various USB devices with the sliders if I hit the button for doing that, right? But will that also adjust the volume for those devices in Windows, when the sliders are adjusted, or will slider adjustment only adjust the monitoring volume? (I'm hoping for the latter)
is there are some budget options now that do similiar multi virtual device stuff? im looking something for replacing voicemeeter withj, but i dont need 12 devices, i wish i had smth like this registering only as 4 devices and 4 control rolumns on mixer. smth kinda like goxlr mini, except in this form factor with all bells and whistles like eq knobs and xlr input.
no.... I think it depends on how you are running it? For example. I use Mic 1/2 for speaking audio. In OBS, you change the gain to on that input to your required level. Also you need to make sure your signal is hot enough in the mixer itself. It took me a week to get a solid grasp on the full function of this mixer and how to use it with the USB returns, etc. I use the USB returns for things like separating the audio in say Skype or discord, etc. For my MIC, I use a DBX286s with my Shure SM7B, then run that to the mixer. Its hard to say with out knowing your exact setup and actually seeing it. Some of these things are hard to diagnose long distance. I did have a problem with the USB connection going out, and had to send the unit it to get fixed, but they covered it under warranty.
@@jromeplays Question: as I understand it here you're able to use the 12MTK for vocals through OBS without having inadequate gain levels. So in your opinion, would this would work for a podcast?
@@theeoddname I use mine for a pod casting, but I also run my Shure SM7B through a DBX286s, so i have adequate gain levels. Although I will say, the pre amp on the mixer alone is pretty good and can run my SM7B without the DBX, but i love that thing, so no need. :) But this mixer is great. Just take the time to learn the in's and out's of it, as its a little confusing at first learning the way this mixer works versus regular cheap ones that only have a single Out to the computer.
@@JeromeHowardPhotography Thank you. I'm currently messing around with it (bought it tonight). I am seeing a couple issues though ... I was under the impression that this mixer could be seen by the OS as being separate audio devices (paired 1-2, 3-4, etc) based on the video here. However I do not have that option on MacOS ... but i do see it on my PC as such after the download. Soundcraft doesn't seem to have a macOS diver download and in the documentation it says macOS does' need additional drivers. Am i missing something here or does the 12MTK not have this feature on macOS?
I have this problem, i have a few synths i use with Ableton via midi, i bought this as a multitrack so i could record each channel individually within ableton but the output from USB is so quiet it's unusable . You have to max the synths output and gains+group/master out to get a barely acceptable level. Absolutely gutted, ive been waiting for one for months but its going back tomorrow :(
$200-$300 more though. That's a good chunk of change for a lot of people. I've been comparing the MTK 12, the Behringer UFX1204, and the L20R. None of them record 96kHz in real-time from what I've read in the manuals, though. It seems you're limited to 24-bit/48kHz no matter which way you go for around the same money. Edit: the Zoom L20R is $150 off right now everywhere. That sweetens the pot.
I've had the same problems with the soundfloor on my behringer xenyx 1002b, its annoying to listen to music without another amp because there isnt enough power for my 250phm headphones or even my 80ohm ones. frustrating, yes but it is manageable with a little bit of playing around.
Does it need to be always connected to the USB in order to work and let sound go trhu it, or can i just work without the computer and whenever i want to bounce the tracks from my sampler i just conect it to the USB-computer? Thanks!
Hello, really need your help and advice! I'm considering getting this console. The issue I've seen is people commenting that when routing a track to this console, you can't feed the EQ to the track and process it through the EQ, meaning all you're left with is the faders and the effects? Is this true?? Like if I route drums into this console and mess with the EQ to my liking then print the drum track, it'll print without my EQ adjustments?? So confused.
Most younger people are confused with this mixer because Soundcraft assumes that you're primarily going to use the mixer in the traditional way that you would with an analog mixing desk, recording your final mix to a 2 track master, most young people have never done this, this is why it's so confusing. With this mixer you have 12 Physical Inputs that record 14 channels of Audio In and have 12 channels of Audio Out, Channel 13/14 has no physical input because these channels are used to record the Master Stereo Out. A traditional recording session would be like this, I suppose: 6 Mono instruments, (say Mics) and 3 Stereo instruments (say 2 synths & a drum machine) are simultaneously Recorded Into your DAW over USB making up 12 channels of audio, this audio is recorded into your DAW with NO EQ, and typically no FX. All 12 channels that you recorded into your DAW are then sent Back Out from your DAW Thru Any Channel that you want on the mixing desk (but typically the same channel) you do this by pressing the USB RTN channel buttons on the mixing desk (and also by setting up the Outs in your DAW) , you then playback your finished track adding EQ, Effects Panning etc. Once you're happy with your mix you setup a Stereo Audio track to Record your Final Stereo Mix on Channel 13/14, this is the Stereo Master Out on your mixer. If you wanted to record all 12 channels but mix inside the Box/DAW, you could just route all 12 audio channels through the default stereo playback channel, which is Channels 11/12 (With No EQ), then record to Channels 13/14. It's kinda confusing at first, but the routing possibilities this mixer offers does make it ridiculously flexible.
Must all channels be exposed as pairs, or can you record 1 by itself to get it to be mono while you are able to record 7/8 or 5/6 etc as stereo? That issue you mentioned where you're only in one channel with your mic seems like a show stopper to me. Did you have to use software to configure USB routing or is that all done on the board. I'm blind and curious if this will let me record from Rode nt1a, add at least one line level stereo input, add enough USB ins and outs to get a full mix recording for the recording program and have mix minus channels that are stereo for Team Talk and Skype. I also want the effects and eq to show up for normal recording programs recording from the full mix. It seems audio interfaces like Focusrite are not usable with the screen reading programs under Windows, so I have been told. If this can handle that without software, wow.
Just found this review. I'm a newbie here but I'm looking to input two separate usb devices (tablets) with the intention of mixing these sources rather than using rca inputs. Can this mixer do it? Thanks
Hi, i'm having trouble getting my Soundcraft Signature 12MTK to work well with OBS on my MAC, OBS is seeing the mixer but its not producing any sound, my mics are not working, music is not being played, but it shows the mixer quite alright on OBS but simply not producing sound, any helps please, thanks
Can I group channels to audio devices as I want, or only one device per a pair of tracks? i.e. can I for example create two audio devices - one with channels 1-8 and the other one with channels 9-12?
This sounds like just what I'm looking for, but I'm curious about the sliders. Lets say I have 3 channels from this going into OSB: My mic, Stereo Music from a 2nd PC, and System sounds routed through the mixer, would the sliders not work for adjusting the levels on each channel? I'd like to be able to fade music in and out with the sliders. I'm also hoping to be able to do a mix-minus for discord that would have system sounds, music from a 2nd pc, and my mic, but not the voice of others on discord, is that possible? Thanks so much for your video, really hoping this could address my mixer woes. I'm currently using a Behringer QX1204USB with a lot of audio lines running between my PC and the mixer, and a second USB sound card just to handle in/out for discord, which is fed a mix-minus off the mixer's aux channel. Wish this stuff was not so complicated!
Is there anyone else having a similar issue where you cannot do both input and output on the mixer simultaneously? To clarify, basically if i use the mic inputs, the usb return doesn't work and vice versa. I keep battling with the settings and eventually find a sweet spot where both work, but I just moved my setup and I cannot find how to get to that sweet spot again :(
Hi are you able to play music on say iTunes or Virtual DJ or any other music player on your mac while recording your instrument and voice in a DAW, I used to be able to do this on the Yamaha MG10XU, I had to change it to the Soundcraft, but can't get it to play music while I record into the DAW
Hey EposVox, I’m using a Mixpre-3 right now to podcast with, but unfortunately I need more XLR inputs.. would buying the 12MTK mixer be a downgrade in terms of preamp sound quality?
Another great video you post box. Clarifying question? Does this mean that for example, since the device has 14 inputs but each pair of inputs only correspond to one audio device that the computer will show a total of 7 audio devices inside windows? Could I there after simple use the first two input lines for a track and have a safety track for the left and right channels mixed how do you like it into one audio input device in Windows?kind of like what you would do for short film Productions?
I'm essentially wondering how come it sounds like you can't use a single stereo shotgun mic for example of when it is the mixer and have that singular Line run into windows have it show up as a us input? if that's the case that it must be mixed in with the second Channel immediately adjacent to it, then it seems like a safety track possibility could be in order especially if you can hook up an expensive get high-quality Mike.
A stereo mic w/ two XLR or 1/4" leads can work within one device just fine. The vast majority of microphones are mono. But if you somehow split off your mic to two outputs, then you could do a safety track. Could do a safety track by auxing mic out and pulling that into the second channel, too.
Not at all o_O One mic, one capsule, one mouth. In fact I only even know of a single stereo shotgun mic at all, it's a gimmicky dual mic from Sennheiser. Microphones are mono. you've only got one mouth.
Hi, I've been looking to get this too but I wonder if you have found other new/old mixers with the same features but now comes with INDIVIDUAL Channel input / output. I've been researching on this and haven't really found much success, I have relatively small space so the mtk24 is too big for me. While I know there is now an ASIO driver for OBS, I would rather do hardware solution first before going software. Thank you and hoping I can get a response
Looking at this item too. I have the Scarlett 4i4, which gives 4 mono inputs into my DAW, but they also show in stereo pairs like 1-2 and 3-4. The key is how 12 individual tracks plus the master mix can all show up separately in YOUR DAW THRU ONE USB!
That is how this thing makes sense. For me, it means I will not be SWAPPING cables around all the time because I want to record a different instrument, and I can record the band simultaneously and master everybody's tracks individually in the DAW. Gonna buy this bad boy! The keys are the multiple tracks across USB and the power this gives your DAW. Sorry I'm repeating myself but dang, this is cool.
Been loving mine for almost 2 years... Awesome board that has done absolutely everything I've asked of it. Recording, mixing, stemming, summing, mastering... this board does it all. No other board quite like it.
How is the preamps? Does it adds hiss noise, etc when recorded in daw?
Soulful Music Time yes the hiss is so loud it sounds like a race horse pissing in a bucket
Can you tell / explain how the USB return works in a DAW (Studio One) do I just assign each track back to the mixer as an output to the particular channel and then I can mix my multitrack recording on the console instead of in the box (daw) ?
@@supersonicsroots Exactly. The USB RTN button basically changes the input to an output to send tracks out to. But it can also be used with an input, like a guitar or a mic, at the same time. It's called a virtual insert. Using your plugins as inserts, like guitar sims or auto tune. Works splendidly.
I love my Soundcraft 12MTK. Currently recoding 11 mics/inputs for our band. The Mixes come out amazing, because I can get in there an really EQ/Compress/De-Ess all of the individual channels. It so much more pro level to be able to work on this level vs. a simple stereo output channel. By the way, I love the Ghost Pre-Amps. Very Quiet. One of the most feature rich multitrack mixers you can buy for a home studio. Simply Amazing. You have actually gone into a lot more detail with the USB/digital routing you can do in the box as well. I still feel like I'm not using this thing to its full potential and I am already pushing it. Best money ever spent on gear for sure!!!!!!!
This thing is really almost like having a mini-pro mixing console. BTW. As a recommendation. Pick up a Waves SSL-E Channel plugin. (on sale it was $29) Now you can add that to each individual channel in your mixes. Mini SSL console. Its pure rock and roll goodness!!!!
@@chansomanmusic I have not tried that yet, that is my next step. It is my understanding it can be done. This guy goes into it in this video on the SC22. Part of me is wondering if there is an easier way with the internal routing and USB.
@@chansomanmusic czcams.com/video/5P9dezTrEZ8/video.html
@@chansomanmusic Try this video, this might be a better explanation. czcams.com/video/ITJNiUEqNyA/video.html
@@chansomanmusic Yes you can... I analog sum my mixes this way. Soundcraft doesn't mention it much, but this board is an amazing analogue summing console.. straight up... stellar. Been loving my MTK for almost 2 years now.
Wait. Don't listen to haters, i LIKE the fact that you're using Behringer. Of course we all know of their occasional engineering mishaps and general quality issues, but they do take their mission of giving creatives what they want and need cheaper than anyone else quite seriously! If you can get your work done with one of those for years, then so can your audience. I bet most Behringer haters are just bandwagoning and don't actually have first-hand experience.
But this thing you got recommended here IS unique and interesting and quite affordable too!
Finally a proper review of this series
Bought this few years back based on so many YT videos. A lot of my channels have failed since then. Probably one of thee quickest failing electronic device I have purchased.
I'm using this mixer for home studio and it's really great and versatile. Also noteworthy is it's class compliant and has a power USB port on the front panel. Which means you can technically record without computer using an iPhone connected to it with Garageband or similar app. In terms of footprint, you can make it even smaller by unscrewing the two cheeks, or replace them with thinner wood-made ones :)
Went to StoreDJ in Melbourne last weekend. Almost bought a Yamaha 16 track mixer. Talked to Poz. He mentioned this mixer sends multi-tracks over USB. I bought this instead. Thank you Poz.
You're going to dig the Signature 12 multitrack! I can't wait to see a follow up vid.
The zoom L-12 allows like 8 mono and two stereo outs thru usb. Only 4 can be sent out of it thru usb and they are technically stereo but if you pan hard you can get 4 mono tracks.
Thanks Epos for answering the obvious questions i had when looking at this about a month ago! You're ahead of me again :D - nobody else i found seemed to explain the channels properly!
Hi there i have this mixer in my studio and you have yours setup in a way your actually disabling the fucntions of it channel 11/12 and used as the master track when used in the way with each channel on the mixer being sent to your internal tracks and 11/12 being sent to the master
this is done this way so you can capture any eqs at the desk or gain staging so 11/12 to you master and then the master split to aux out for recording
on the master channel you have a INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL LISTEN
when in external listen mode in a daw or program you can capture any tracks but for you it would make more sense to work in external mode and send everything back in and down 11/12 and that to the master then you can mix anything you like and take calls down both channels
by all means when in a recording mode you can ignore the channel being panned and send a left and right or a doubled mono track back
in recording mode you can wire it anyway you want the layout for grouping of tracks are for when the mixer is in a daw mixing mode but during recording ANYTHING GOES
so the desk can fully meet your needs just 11/12 isnt just for systems sounds its your master track that loopback in combination with the master track
if you want any info on how i have mine set by all means drop us a message
I own this mixer. I might need some clarification on this as well. Great info though.....
I hope you finally figured the mixer out. The routing, and the PFL feature. Five years and still loving it. Cheers.
Got 5 good years out of it and then the USB board died randomly after I rebooted my PC ☠️
@@EposVox it's always the two capacitors at C111 & C113 and usually the 75Kohm resistor at R102 is bar-b-q'd on 2016 PSU's. Easy swap of discrete thru hole components. No more than 15 minutes for a bench tech. I have kits available in the group too. Cheers from T.O. 🍻
I have the Soundcraft Signature 12 MTK and I love it :)
Dude you should have got the Behringer XR18 mixer. Just check it out, it does everything the soundcraft signature does and more!!!!
Except... you know... the complete lack of physical controls, not actually having separate Windows devices for each input and output... most of the things I need, uhh sure.
I specifically said I was avoiding ASIO-only multichannel devices.
I use this mixer coupled with Reaper to record all my drum audio for my videos. I love it!!!
Hello!! How many separate channels on daw? the 12?
Stumbled across your video. Thanks for the crystal clear explanation and exactly what I was looking for.
Love the review! Is it possible to go through the eq during a live stream? Just bought the 22 today and can't wait to get it!
The PFL button right below mute for each track is your solo button. It stands for "Pre Fade Listen".
That's... not the same thing, though :/
It routes only the track with PFL pressed to the headphone jack without modifying the mix which is what I understood a solo button to be, but this is also my first mixer so maybe I missed something that's more useful about other solo buttons.
It's been my experience with SOME mixers that Solo In Place functions are 'destructive' - they sometimes mute all other inputs and affect the mix buss in order to monitor the input. I think the issue is how some label what their "solo" does. I think the most desired effect for this unit would be a AFL so you can hear more than just the input pre-fader, since that's what's going to your main mix. PFLs are great for checking your headroom or just checking a source is there before you turn a fader on, since PFLs will let you listen to a source even if the fader's at zero. I've almost always seen these all together, or at the very least an AFL labeled as SOLO or SIP. But when things are labeled solo without the others, I've found they just mute the other inputs on the monitor and the main mix outputs, rather than 'cueing' a signal like an AFL, which I think we almost always want both AFL and PFL, rather than the 'correct' SIP function.
I guess on my Behringers "Solo" was AFL. It was a great "just for me" mix that this doesn't have.
Yeah the PFL on here mutes everything else. Solo on the Behringers was an AFL solo that sent it to headphones/control room alongside whatever other mixes were going.
5:25 I believe you can solo sources with the PFL button on each channel
Nice! Glad they all show up individually! When you said "Soundcraft", I thought you said "Soundcrap" Lol.
xD
So also the Tascam model 12,plus the Tascam 12 ,besides usb,but also midi in & outputs
When I was an audio tech the souncraft brand was a major high end vendor. Great choice.
I got this for the usb advantages and then not set it up for months, but at last ai have so time. You comment that you can not hear tracks to the headphone, you can use afl to direct to the headphone to check levels
The Yamaha MG12XUF is an amazing mixer with this "special" feature in addition to having the ability to group channels and route them to a master volume control so you don't have to control them individually. It's also cheaper with more effects and an actual power switch.
Everything and everyone I have found that can/has tested it has confirmed both the 12 and 10 from that line only present a 2/2 USB interface to Windows. You can access each input over ASIO, that's very common, but useless for streaming and video conferencing, OBS, screen recording, basically everything except music. That's what's "special" about this, as it didn't exist on anything cheaper prior to the GoXLR and PreSonus Revelator devices.
@@EposVox I see a lot of streamers on CZcams and Twitch using the Yamaha, so I'm not sure how that can be useless. The SoundCraft is probably perfect for dated setups and computers with cheap soundcards and only 3 input/outputs.
You seem to have completely missed the point of both what I considered to be a selling point of this mixer and my comment. Nice.
@@EposVox When looking at your other video featuring the Yamaha mixer, it looks like you just have a cheap soundcard problem, which by the way is not with 99% of computers unless you don't know how to build your own.
There is no “cheap soundcard problem” - the mixer itself does NOT send more than a stereo pair up and down over USB, thus it doesn’t have the feature that was my selling point for the SoundCraft. Other sound cards are completely irrelevant to that point as they have nothing to do with it.
Those Yamaha mixers do not give separate devices for the inputs to Windows, only a final stereo mix. Thus it’s not a better nor cheaper solution for that specific reason this entire thing was about.
Wow, you came out with this quick review, quickly. This may alleviate me from having to use voicemeeter to hear audio from both my streaming and gaming pc at the same time.
Would I be correct with that determination?
to resolve the issue with channel pairing I made a XLR to double jack cable so that my main mic takes the 2 first channels. I dont need all the channels anyway so this resolves it :D
Presonus AR series works in both ways. I used this with 1/2 and it worked just fine, switch inputs. The presonus AR series you can run USB to post fader. It works for what I do.
I just ordered this to replace my presonus ar8. Internal power supply has failed twice in 3 years. First tim within the 1 year presonus warranty. Second time outside of it. Make a high pitch noise from the power supply. Not from the outputs but from the physical mixer. Very annoying. Great mixer when it worked right thought. This has more channels which is a plus.
I have a Presonus Classic USB and works like a charm. 18 in 16 out usb interface.
Thank you so much for the awesome work you do! Would you be willing to make a follow-up video of this beast in your workflow? I have a lot of detail oriented questions, but mainly I'm curious how everything works for a livestream. This seems like a dream setup. I want to nail down my audio and I'm so tired of VoiceMeeter. It makes me want to break things.
Just checked out Clockworks video, that helped a bit. If you get some time, I'd still love to see how you're using it.
I havent got a hold of this mixer but i was thiking.... Why dont you use the master LR instead of 1/2 input. In that way you will get a stereo output for every mono input u r using. Even if you are recording it directly, wont the mono signal (eg:- channel 1 mic) gets recorded like in 2 monos(L&R)? Provided if you dont do any panning and keep the channel at the centre?
Because I need each device as a separate input. 1/2 has my main mic, 3/4 has my second mic, 5/6 is my discord output, 7/8 is my gaming PC, 9/10 is my game consoles, 11/12 is system sound. The whole reason to buy this mixer over cheaper ones is that USB multitrack support, and that's what I bought it to use.
Oh my god I was locking for this. Have you found a solution to the mono mic problem?
I just thought of an idea for your next major class. Possibly audio for beginners. How to master audio for youtube and streaming?
It's pretty easy... you grab a second two channel interface and run your MTK into it. Ultimate control for audio levels in OBS. That's how I have my streaming rig setup with a Focusrite 2i2. Keeps the audio/daw on one system, video/obs on another, no resource issues.
Not sure if you looked at the Roland MX-1 - it has 18 in/out at 96khz. it may only have 14 in /out if you don't use the 4 Roland AIRA link usb connections but it has been a workhorse in my studio for recording/performing
Pre fade listen is for soloing one or more tracks.
the soundcraft ASIO control panel looks exactly the same with my behringer 404hd :) pretty neat mixer tho
Excellent review my friend.
So, if using this as a USB audio interface, are the EQ and effects not heard when I am streaming on OBS? I want to be able to use this with EQ and FX when streaming.
This sounds like the mixer i have been searching for for over a year now.
Edit: Now that i've finished the review, this -almost- sounds like the mixer i've been searching for. Those are some quirks....
I'm told voip apps typically down mix to mono so the left channel shouldn't be an issue, but I did have people having trouble hear me on voip with just the USB so I'm keeping the analog anyway
On this;
Perhaps you could clone the mic to a virtual audio cable, downmix to mono using voicemeeter, and set your mic in discord/skype/etc for this? No further setup would ever be needed, and it achieves downmix to mono.
sure, there are fixes, but then this doesnt make it the mixer i've been looking for lol. it makes it close.
thanks for the review man, did you ever find a fix or real work around for voice calls like discord and such? or was there any driver updates that resolved the mono only issue? I ask because i use a laptop and wont have the same options you mentioned
Got this last year with a high-quality USB cable from Audioquest this Mixer delivers high-quality results.! I am now considering the bigger version with more ins and outs/
What cable did you get? I picked this up today and want to make sure I avoid issues by getting something high quality.
merdwerkz elektron cable
The fact that they combined 2 channels into 1 usb is a deal breaker
I think you misunderstood. Looking at this item too. I have the Scarlett 4i4 which gives 4 mono inputs into my DAW, but they just show in stereo pairs like 1-2 and 3-4. The key is how 12 individual tracks plus the master mix can all show up separately in YOUR DAW THRU ONE USB!
That is how this thing makes sense. For me, it means I will not be SWAPPING cables around all the time because I want to record a different instrument, and I can record the band simultaneously and master everybody's tracks individually in the DAW. Gonna buy this bad boy! The keys are the multiple tracks across USB and the power this gives your DAW.
I could be wrong, but I think my PreSonus StudioLive AR12 works the same way as far as multiple inputs in Windows.
Looks very similar too
Have you tried running your Shure SM7B off this board? Wondering if the mic preamps are able to handle that mic or not? I have to run a Cloudlifter on my PreSonus to get anywhere near usable gain.
I don't own a SM7b, it was on loan from another CZcamsr. However, I can almost guarantee the pre-amps aren't good enough. You'll need a cloudlifer/fethead at minimum with 99.9% of mixers.
Yeah, that's what I figured. Thanks!
Thanks for the review, I havent been using a mixer for last 10 years and considering whether to go back. How do you rate the Ghost preamps in this model? anything special or just does the job, nothing else?
Got a Soundcraft Signature 12 MTK as my first mixer and the volume is VERY quiet when playing guitars through it (either mic or DI) and going out to my KRK speakers or Headphones. The Gain, Channel Fader (routed to master and group 1-2) and Master are all cranked to the max. Sometimes it reaches -3 max volume on the Master Meter, but that's it. Is there something I'm missing here? I heard these mixers were quiet to help clipping, but this is barely audible.
Yes, you need to plug into channels 5 or 6 and select the "Hi-Z" button. Cheers!
Yamaha made something like this about 10 years ago, called N12, using Firewire.
This comment is really late, but did you find a better way to ungroup the 1/2 grouping? Any new firmware, driver updates since 4 years ago? Looking for a easier way to mono a channel for pretty much the same things you mentioned. Voice calls.
I'd like to hook a guitar amplifier cabinet up to my pc. Is this possible?
Yes. Easy. Over usb
Yes but you need a reamp box to convert the signal from line level to instrument level
If you have an Nvidia post-20XX you can use Nvidia Broadcast as your audio device and you would get an instant double-mono signal.
( hey. nice vid and unboxing demo. i have a question and hope you can help me. so, does this Signature 12MTK board, can it playback several channels FROM a DAW as individual channels on the board? i have Garageband on my Iphone and pre-recorded 4 separate instrument tracks (guitar, bass, piano and drums) for a song. will i be able to assign (playback) a single instrument on a single channel on the board? i'm talking about being able to mix (the volume[faders]) of the individual instruments on the board, considering that these sounds are all coming from Garageband and not from inputs to the board like XLR or Line-in. i hope i was able to describe it in an understandable way for you. looking forward for your answer. thank you! )
So if all the channels are paired you can’t record say eight mono tracks from the XLR inputs in the DAW as eight independent tracks. If that’s true then maybe it’s ok for pod casting etc, but useless for recording a live band. I was looking at this because I thought id get at least the eight XLR Chanel’s as independent inputs in the DAW.
Show us how this is set up for vst's before running to obs... I got this same mixer and im trying to find out how to do that.
Your complaint is that mixer runs channels in pairs 1/2; 3/4 and so on and that is why you get audio from only one side - yes? Why not use 7/8 and 9/10 channels for discord/skype and other calling stuff. Those two channels give sound in both left and right. And as far as I can see the only difference here is that 1 and 2 has limiter.
Sorry for commenting and old video but this part was really confusing while I was waiting for my MTK12 and I was a little bit worried for this.
I think you mixed up my complaint - I do use 5/6 for discord/skype. Output is not the problem. The problem is microphones only go in 1 input at a time so it's only 1 instead of both 1 and 2
@@EposVox Probably so.. also language barrier does not help us comunicate hehe.
I just got the mixer and I had quite a few worries... especially about information on the forums regarding PRE EQ recording... I thought there is no way to record with EQ applied but there is... using master track hehe I am happy.
Also thank you very much for this video as it was really informative. I was afraid it will be super biased and won't touch on a cons of this mixer because of the title but it was superb. I wish you good luck in making amazing videos in a future!
Really a good video. Thank you.
I'm new to recording music. Will this allow each of my 7 drum mics to be 7 separate tracks in my DAW?
Yes, provided it has 7 XLR inputs. I've been looking at this and the Behringer UFX1204 recently.
Do you know if the 22 mtk handles the USB input/output differently than the 12 allowing the separation of those 1/2 3/4 5/6 channel groupings?
It doesn't from what I can tell - but honestly not sure
Thank you brother..
so if i was recording a band on this thing into my DAW it would only give me 6 channels? or 6 plus the master out?
It has 6 mono channels and 3 stereo channels which you can split into mono. channels 13 and 14 is the master.
Ok, now I'm finally finding videos of people actually digging into this genre of mixers. But here's my question.... What else compares? And are there cheaper options that do the same in principle? I'm looking at the Behringer UFX1204, it's perfect for my needs but the question of their quality (and lack of actually seeing it in use this way) has me concerned. But the price...
I really like your reviews, I think I'll stick around.
I don't know about Skype but discord mixes your microphone down to mono, my current audio interface only outputs my mic on line 1 to the left side and it comes out on both sides from discord
Yeah. If you put the mic in channel 2 you wouldn't hear anything on Skype at least, which records from the left side only. Not sure about discord either. But the real problematic situation with this comes in when you talk to people on Team Talk in a stereo channel. You could probably go to sounds, recording tab, click on the wdm driver for channels 1/2, properties, advanced tab or hardware tab and set the sample rate to a mono option. I don't have this mixer though so I'm stabbing in the dark.
That would mix 1/2 down to stay in the middle I think. Then the issue becomes, what if you want to pan yourself? Lots of mixers can let you set pan on each mic channel to move yourself a bit. With this mono trick that won't work. Also if you get effects to come in on that channel somehow, any reverbs would be forced down to mono.
How does the USB return work with a daw like Studio One for example? Can you engage YSB return per track and then mix the already recorded tracks on this console? Cause that's what I'd buy this for tbh
@EposVox just went out and picked up a 12MTK. I’m on MacOS (Catalina) and am not seeing the breakout of the channels as separate audio devices like what you have here in the video. Indeed, in OBS I see a single source (the 12MTK) as an audio option but not individual channels (1-2, 3-4, etc). It looks like the drivers on Soundcrafts website is PC Specific and in the manual (from what I see) it states that on Mac no extra drivers are needed. What am I missing?
Nice video! Is this mixer still worth it?
How do you map USB audio back into the mixer? I have this mixer and use it with Studio 1. The USB portion as you know only lets you use the gain knobs on the channel before going into the DAW. My recording chain starts out with a mic, to preamp, to Soundcraft Board, to Computer. You mentioned mapping USB audio back into the mixer. How do you do that and what would the advantages be? Thanks
Can u do Both Stereo & Single channel type for zoom? & EQ whatever i do does it affect Recording as i want something that can affect that
Had 2 of these. My 3rd Soundcraft. I like the planning but I am not impressed with the quality of these boards. All 3 broke within 2 years and never left the studio. Never buy another. I am going for Allen & Heath. Better sound, can actually export effects via USB and just a better board. Just limited to 4 in and out USB however. I'll live.
Is there any information on why the audio volume send through USB is about 12db lower? Gain is set on 0db on the mixer's meters, but when USB RTN is pressed on the channel, all my devices tested register the audio at -12db. Very frustrating...
How are the pres? Better than the behiringer I'm sure, but how do they compare to yamaha and SSL?
I am pretty sure discord forces everything to mono anyways. the tascam uphoria is not a mixer but an interface with the same thing. i have the 4 input version and windows sees it as 2 stereo audio devices and i always use it for discord having my mic in just input 1 even though discord is set to input 2. i have even been looking for a way to voicechat with discord in stereo mode but it's impossible because they force it to mono to save bandwidth. only bots(like music bots) can output stereo. now there is a possibility that that was different as of the making of the video but still thought.
Was so excited to get this after watching the video been looking for exactly this mixer. The matter usb return is really low levels for OBS and XSplit have you had any luck with that?
It's a little quieter than analog out, but it's still completely usable. USB usually ends up being quieter in most mixers. Just add a little gain in OBS w/ a compressor/limiter to prevent clipping and you're good.
Hello EPOS....Is This Mixer Is good for recording and how is the clarity tell please.
I'm considering this, or I've actually kinda decided on it as my next purchase to replace other things i have. But I've read the documentation for it, and I just want to make sure if I got it right. I will be able to adjust the monitoring volume for the various USB devices with the sliders if I hit the button for doing that, right? But will that also adjust the volume for those devices in Windows, when the sliders are adjusted, or will slider adjustment only adjust the monitoring volume? (I'm hoping for the latter)
is there are some budget options now that do similiar multi virtual device stuff? im looking something for replacing voicemeeter withj, but i dont need 12 devices, i wish i had smth like this registering only as 4 devices and 4 control rolumns on mixer. smth kinda like goxlr mini, except in this form factor with all bells and whistles like eq knobs and xlr input.
I have the same Mixer and when using the USB cable it's so quiet in OBS when I have my mic and game audio plugged into the mixer??
no.... I think it depends on how you are running it? For example. I use Mic 1/2 for speaking audio. In OBS, you change the gain to on that input to your required level. Also you need to make sure your signal is hot enough in the mixer itself. It took me a week to get a solid grasp on the full function of this mixer and how to use it with the USB returns, etc. I use the USB returns for things like separating the audio in say Skype or discord, etc. For my MIC, I use a DBX286s with my Shure SM7B, then run that to the mixer. Its hard to say with out knowing your exact setup and actually seeing it. Some of these things are hard to diagnose long distance. I did have a problem with the USB connection going out, and had to send the unit it to get fixed, but they covered it under warranty.
@@jromeplays Question: as I understand it here you're able to use the 12MTK for vocals through OBS without having inadequate gain levels. So in your opinion, would this would work for a podcast?
@@theeoddname I use mine for a pod casting, but I also run my Shure SM7B through a DBX286s, so i have adequate gain levels. Although I will say, the pre amp on the mixer alone is pretty good and can run my SM7B without the DBX, but i love that thing, so no need. :) But this mixer is great. Just take the time to learn the in's and out's of it, as its a little confusing at first learning the way this mixer works versus regular cheap ones that only have a single Out to the computer.
@@JeromeHowardPhotography Thank you. I'm currently messing around with it (bought it tonight). I am seeing a couple issues though ... I was under the impression that this mixer could be seen by the OS as being separate audio devices (paired 1-2, 3-4, etc) based on the video here. However I do not have that option on MacOS ... but i do see it on my PC as such after the download. Soundcraft doesn't seem to have a macOS diver download and in the documentation it says macOS does' need additional drivers. Am i missing something here or does the 12MTK not have this feature on macOS?
I have this problem, i have a few synths i use with Ableton via midi, i bought this as a multitrack so i could record each channel individually within ableton but the output from USB is so quiet it's unusable . You have to max the synths output and gains+group/master out to get a barely acceptable level. Absolutely gutted, ive been waiting for one for months but its going back tomorrow :(
Definitely should’ve just gone with one of the Zoom LiveTrak mixers
$200-$300 more though. That's a good chunk of change for a lot of people. I've been comparing the MTK 12, the Behringer UFX1204, and the L20R. None of them record 96kHz in real-time from what I've read in the manuals, though. It seems you're limited to 24-bit/48kHz no matter which way you go for around the same money.
Edit: the Zoom L20R is $150 off right now everywhere. That sweetens the pot.
I've had the same problems with the soundfloor on my behringer xenyx 1002b, its annoying to listen to music without another amp because there isnt enough power for my 250phm headphones or even my 80ohm ones. frustrating, yes but it is manageable with a little bit of playing around.
Hi, I’m wondering if the USB recordings are pre fader how do you set up a mix for streaming that both you and your listeners hear? Thanks!!
Does it need to be always connected to the USB in order to work and let sound go trhu it, or can i just work without the computer and whenever i want to bounce the tracks from my sampler i just conect it to the USB-computer? Thanks!
Have this VERY happy BUT a shame that the eq is POST usb and doesn’t affect the usb input...
Have you tried using this with Voice Meter Banana or Potato Software to see if you can get those inputs separately as Multitrack?
Hello, really need your help and advice! I'm considering getting this console. The issue I've seen is people commenting that when routing a track to this console, you can't feed the EQ to the track and process it through the EQ, meaning all you're left with is the faders and the effects? Is this true?? Like if I route drums into this console and mess with the EQ to my liking then print the drum track, it'll print without my EQ adjustments?? So confused.
Most younger people are confused with this mixer because Soundcraft assumes that you're primarily going to use the mixer in the traditional way that you would with an analog mixing desk, recording your final mix to a 2 track master, most young people have never done this, this is why it's so confusing. With this mixer you have 12 Physical Inputs that record 14 channels of Audio In and have 12 channels of Audio Out, Channel 13/14 has no physical input because these channels are used to record the Master Stereo Out. A traditional recording session would be like this, I suppose: 6 Mono instruments, (say Mics) and 3 Stereo instruments (say 2 synths & a drum machine) are simultaneously Recorded Into your DAW over USB making up 12 channels of audio, this audio is recorded into your DAW with NO EQ, and typically no FX. All 12 channels that you recorded into your DAW are then sent Back Out from your DAW Thru Any Channel that you want on the mixing desk (but typically the same channel) you do this by pressing the USB RTN channel buttons on the mixing desk (and also by setting up the Outs in your DAW) , you then playback your finished track adding EQ, Effects Panning etc. Once you're happy with your mix you setup a Stereo Audio track to Record your Final Stereo Mix on Channel 13/14, this is the Stereo Master Out on your mixer. If you wanted to record all 12 channels but mix inside the Box/DAW, you could just route all 12 audio channels through the default stereo playback channel, which is Channels 11/12 (With No EQ), then record to Channels 13/14. It's kinda confusing at first, but the routing possibilities this mixer offers does make it ridiculously flexible.
Must all channels be exposed as pairs, or can you record 1 by itself to get it to be mono while you are able to record 7/8 or 5/6 etc as stereo? That issue you mentioned where you're only in one channel with your mic seems like a show stopper to me. Did you have to use software to configure USB routing or is that all done on the board. I'm blind and curious if this will let me record from Rode nt1a, add at least one line level stereo input, add enough USB ins and outs to get a full mix recording for the recording program and have mix minus channels that are stereo for Team Talk and Skype. I also want the effects and eq to show up for normal recording programs recording from the full mix. It seems audio interfaces like Focusrite are not usable with the screen reading programs under Windows, so I have been told. If this can handle that without software, wow.
Just found this review. I'm a newbie here but I'm looking to input two separate usb devices (tablets) with the intention of mixing these sources rather than using rca inputs. Can this mixer do it? Thanks
Hi, i'm having trouble getting my Soundcraft Signature 12MTK to work well with OBS on my MAC, OBS is seeing the mixer but its not producing any sound, my mics are not working, music is not being played, but it shows the mixer quite alright on OBS but simply not producing sound, any helps please, thanks
Can I group channels to audio devices as I want, or only one device per a pair of tracks? i.e. can I for example create two audio devices - one with channels 1-8 and the other one with channels 9-12?
can I use this mixer to record my vocal/instruments with wet monitoring on headphone and dry track recorded in daw? please reply me
So in asio each channel show up as mono? Should work fine with the asio plugin for obs then
This sounds like just what I'm looking for, but I'm curious about the sliders. Lets say I have 3 channels from this going into OSB: My mic, Stereo Music from a 2nd PC, and System sounds routed through the mixer, would the sliders not work for adjusting the levels on each channel? I'd like to be able to fade music in and out with the sliders. I'm also hoping to be able to do a mix-minus for discord that would have system sounds, music from a 2nd pc, and my mic, but not the voice of others on discord, is that possible? Thanks so much for your video, really hoping this could address my mixer woes. I'm currently using a Behringer QX1204USB with a lot of audio lines running between my PC and the mixer, and a second USB sound card just to handle in/out for discord, which is fed a mix-minus off the mixer's aux channel. Wish this stuff was not so complicated!
hey! hows going? i would like to make you a question, wheres the return external FX? i can only see 3 FX in, but i cant find the out!! thank you
I think I found my newest mixer!
Is there anyone else having a similar issue where you cannot do both input and output on the mixer simultaneously? To clarify, basically if i use the mic inputs, the usb return doesn't work and vice versa. I keep battling with the settings and eventually find a sweet spot where both work, but I just moved my setup and I cannot find how to get to that sweet spot again :(
So to fix the discord/Skype mono problem, you ran channel 1 in to the pc analog to the soundcard and not over usb?
Hi are you able to play music on say iTunes or Virtual DJ or any other music player on your mac while recording your instrument and voice in a DAW, I used to be able to do this on the Yamaha MG10XU, I had to change it to the Soundcraft, but can't get it to play music while I record into the DAW
Was able to sort this out, thanks
what are your plans with the TAPE deck ? ? ?
How did you install the drivers? Because if I install the drivers on my laptop it says that it cannot be accepted by the operating system
Hey EposVox, I’m using a Mixpre-3 right now to podcast with, but unfortunately I need more XLR inputs.. would buying the 12MTK mixer be a downgrade in terms of preamp sound quality?
IMO the MTK's pre-amps are nowhere near quite as good as the MixPre-3's.
EposVox awesome man, thanks for saving me $$
Why does it have no power switch?
Another great video you post box. Clarifying question? Does this mean that for example, since the device has 14 inputs but each pair of inputs only correspond to one audio device that the computer will show a total of 7 audio devices inside windows? Could I there after simple use the first two input lines for a track and have a safety track for the left and right channels mixed how do you like it into one audio input device in Windows?kind of like what you would do for short film Productions?
I'm essentially wondering how come it sounds like you can't use a single stereo shotgun mic for example of when it is the mixer and have that singular Line run into windows have it show up as a us input? if that's the case that it must be mixed in with the second Channel immediately adjacent to it, then it seems like a safety track possibility could be in order especially if you can hook up an expensive get high-quality Mike.
A stereo mic w/ two XLR or 1/4" leads can work within one device just fine. The vast majority of microphones are mono. But if you somehow split off your mic to two outputs, then you could do a safety track. Could do a safety track by auxing mic out and pulling that into the second channel, too.
EposVox oh okay. I thought most shotgun mics were stereo?
Not at all o_O
One mic, one capsule, one mouth. In fact I only even know of a single stereo shotgun mic at all, it's a gimmicky dual mic from Sennheiser. Microphones are mono. you've only got one mouth.
Hi, I've been looking to get this too but I wonder if you have found other new/old mixers with the same features but now comes with INDIVIDUAL Channel input / output. I've been researching on this and haven't really found much success, I have relatively small space so the mtk24 is too big for me. While I know there is now an ASIO driver for OBS, I would rather do hardware solution first before going software. Thank you and hoping I can get a response
gr8 vid.. can you give me the mixer driver link ..plizz
Hi Epos, audio interface as well?