A Lost Pyramid? What's Buried Beneath the 5,000-Year-Old Mound of Soğmatar? | Ancient Architects
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- čas přidán 27. 06. 2022
- Soğmatar is an important historical site in SE Anatolia, a favourite of the late Chuck Appleton of the CF-Apps7865 channel and only now am I understanding why he believed this site to be so important to history.
It flourished from the 2nd century BC to 3rd century AD but the region has a history going back to at least the Chalcolithic times. Recent excavations have uncovered a 5,000-year-old clay children's toy, with moving wheels but most of the discoveries have come from the tombs that surround the large central mound.
This mound is a hoyuk, an artificial mound, which means there is certainly something underneath. So what's buried beneath the artificial mound of Soğmatar? Is it an ancient temple, a pyramid, a ziggurat or a settlement?
Find from the mound include Chalcolithic and Bronze Age pottery so whatever is hiding underneath likely has a truly ancient origin. But just how old could Soğmatar be and what's lying beneath? In this episode of Ancient Architects, I explore the options.
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Looks like a missing link to me. Thank you AA. Can't wait to hear more about this site.
Here is a question that popped in my head … the chariot toy dates back to around 3000 BC. it made me think about ancient Egyptians who , as per history books, did not have any knowledge of the WHEEL , until around 2000 BC. that is 1000 years after the SOGMATAR people had built TOYS on wheels . and given the close proximity to both "Civilizations", don't you find that somewhat WEIRD ?!
It would take an army of archeologists to excavate it.
I honestly miss Chuck. While he saw things in a different perspective, he still brought intrigue. He's one of the ones that got me more into ancient history, along with you Matt.
Me too Chuck was the best RIP Chuck
RIP Chuck, a true Minnesota boy.
Yup, nice to here him mentioned
Chuck would be proud of your work Matt. In his immortal words - "And you all have a very nice day ".
We disagreed on a lot but I think there was always a mutual respect. He was a good man
Damn I miss him often
@@fleischer236 me too!😫
I'm so shook by his passing.
Thanks for the tip! Soon I will be in eastern Turkey, now I have a new site to visit🎥
Awesome!
Hey Ancient Sites, always a pleasure to come across you and I look forward to your next vid....peace to ya AS.
Your videos are very good, not full of opinion, some information about the site, and always awesome footage in person. Can't wait
Hey there AS!! I sent you an email. Did you see it? I know you may be too busy to respond. Hey best of luck on your next vid. I'm SURE it will be as intriguing as your previous vids.
@@dazuk1969 Hey how have you been? I just sent AS a photo of a car I built back in 2002. A $150,000.00 USD solar powered car that raced from Chicago to Los Angeles in 2003 and got cut in half. What are you up to these days?
Yes!!! I was hoping you’d go further into detail after last video. Another absolutely fascinating place on this beautiful earth. Thank you so much for all the work you put into these videos.
Thank you for watching!
I sure do miss Chuck, and his content. He opened my eyes to the vast ancient history of the America's, more specifically North America. Most of which I had no idea about. He was truly a treasure to those of us who watched his content and is sorely missed.
Yes, poor Chuck - but his spirit of inquiry lives on... Looks to be another fascinating site - do hope a proper in depth (!) excavation can begin soon - love the kid's chariot - that's telling us quite a bit right there, so there must be tons more to discover. Thanks for sharing.
So awesome to honor Chuck in such a way. I miss his work. Great video! Look forward to more on Soğmatar.
I’m glad you’re providing more information on Sogmatar. There is very little available. Fascinating place. Thanks for sharing this information Matt!
I'm Turkish and I had no idea this place exists. Also can you make a video about Mount Nemrut.
Great idea!
Just googled it and now I'm excited
Yup, as soon as I seen that hill I immediately thought of a Ziggurat.
Looks like many other ruined ziggurats
Děkuji za video, ta mohyla mi připomíná mohylu na Nemrut Dagi,též v Turecku. Zdravím z České republiky.
Great stuff, as always, man! Thanks! And Yeah, I miss Chuck as well.
RIP chuck! Your videos were eye opening to say the least.
Thanks Matt, very interesting and the area info greatly adds to it all. Good work!
Great, As always!
This is why I love your channel. Very cool new stuff. And relatable also. This is maybe a tepe with its roof still up?
cf-apps, miss his content.Top notch. RIP
As always thanks for sharing your findings and views with us.
Really an interesting site
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Great video Matt. Very Interesting site. Can't for more to be excavated.
Fascinating and balanced look at the wonders sometimes hidden in plain sight. Thank you.
This is a very interesting location. I love the little toys they found. It is not often that you see so many children's items. I hope they do push on to do more excavations.
Thanks again. The info is intriguing.
Hi Matt - thanks as always - is there any geophysics done on the mound?
Great video, thanks for covering it. I kept having a childish thought whenever you said chalcolithic which sounds like the cholesterol period. Which was clearly the tastiest and best period within the broader Neolithic…or as it translates from Greek, it is a copper age transition from stone to bronze ages. But I prefer to think of the intrepid and far away navigators of the Pacific Islanders who arrived in South America to discover cacao pods. Check out ethnobotanist Wade Davis if you’re unfamiliar with him. The ancient and advanced seafaring peoples of the pacific and the DNA and red hair of the original peoples of New Zealand are a fascinating connection to the ideas of a global 15k year old civilisation.
I believe that DNA evidence reveals that the 'red headed people of New Zealand (who became integrated with and absorbed by the later arriving Maoris) appear to have come from Iran.
Excellent channel! ☺️
Thank you
Glad to give respect in memory of Chuck! ❤️
Thanks for the interesting and informative video.
Thank you for watching!
Great video 😊
Excellent video Matt, we never got time to see this place, but we did get to Harran, right on the Syrian border with its incredible beehive houses that are really quite amazing. Worth visiting, it is a magical place, almost like something you might see on a desert planet in a Star Wars movie. Amazing.
There are so many wonders that you reveal ..I'm sure they'd never have come to our attention but for AA channel. Thank you 👍👍😌
Would love to visit, great video 👍
hey, Matt! yes, please, more on this fascinating site. kinda looks like a natural progression of the culture of the Tepe people, as they morphed into a farming culture. perhaps? and, anywhere with natural water supplies will, most likely, have a continuous settlement. while the ziggurat hypothesis has merit, the continuous rebuilding over an ancient settlement, creating such a mound, has been seen before. and, perhaps it was a combination of reasons and methods.
anyhoo, keep 'em coming, my friend! thanks!
Thank you for adding to the growing body of information on Sogmatar on CZcams.
Great video
Based vid this, i was so captured ever since i saw Cfapps videos on the whole Harran-Göbeklitepe area. So many places that are criminaly underlooked like Sogmatar and its "temple of the 7 planets". Not to mention all the t-pillars sticking out from around the harran plain
Even the more modern harran university from late antiquity and mideval times and the mystery tradition that was present there and the tower that looks like the tower on the tarrot deck is interesting. The inhabitants, the Sabians or star watchers peoples that made pilgrmages to Giza up to the 13th century just add to the interest (Cred to chuck for that harran vid)
Good speculative thinking here -- one component to consider is that it could be a Northern outpost of the early Sumerian era: the Uruk Expansion, like Hamoucar or Tell Brak, or perhaps an example of a development style that trickled down river.
My sense is that there's not going to be much there that is earlier than 5500-6000bc of any serious build up like you would have found in Karahan, for the reasons given in the video. The Arslantepe analogy is great, I think Tell Brak is another. A missing piece of the video referenced elsewhere is that Sogmatar was a place of refuge for the people of Harran when a range of outside kingdoms took it over.... far far later in Ancient history.
It's clear that this area of Harran is a historical goldmine, and we're just being able to situate its importance in the overall story. And increasingly if you sit around and sift through the videos and papers that the area persisted as a home of ancient wisdom, traditions, hermetic traditions, etc. At Karahan in my view we see a people integrating water flow into their rituals and traditions, gradually pushing into the past their older pre-neolithic Shamanic traditions, the Vulture-death ritual that flourished from Tek-Tek to the Himalayas and far into the North of Siberia, leading to the Sabian (root word of Baptist) Egyptian/Mandaean type religions that would find life and death in Water. There are references of wise ones of Harran, I think Apollonians coming down to the Pyramids on a regular basis. It utterly makes sense to me that a skilled labor center working in stone for thousands of years would be a place Egypt would learn from and import labor to construct its great buildings, Eridu/Uruk similarly. Another perspective we can expect to emerge is that these people would have had such an educational advantage that they might have colonized, been a seed culture from Egypt to Uruk. A multi-thousand year head start is quite a head start. It does seem like the great upheavals of the ancient world battered this area, but it managed to retain, even into the rise of Islam, a capacity as a center of wisdom and learning.
One thought I keep churning on with the contemporary city of Sanlurfa is that directly under that great Mosque and wonderful fountain system lies some evidence of a major equivalent site to Gobekli / Karahan .... it's basically a rule of human history that the new religions put their temples on the old, for convenience, for control of the memory, to redirect old habits and patterns, and because the logic that brought the older builders to a vital place would bring the new builders. The mosque complex of Sanlurfa has no rival in the region for scale, layout or complexity ... and so, similarly I sense there was something rather large, sophisticated and way ahead of its PPNB time, even for Tas Tepeler.
One thing that comes clear is that all that soft limestone of Tek-tek was just a fantastic place for a people to become masters of stone. It should come as no surprise that the great water engineers of human history, whose wisdom on dam building, river reversal, canal building, were produced in the dry salt flat beds of Utah, the Mormons (read Cadillac Desert). The characteristics of the region produce key aspects of the people.
"And all of you have, a very nice day"
RIP Chuck we all miss you
An undiscovered piece of history is right on.
It seems to be a location where a great deal of alluvial material was eventually gathered during a most primordial settlement event, the mound being dumped perhaps thousands of years earlier than this more modern surface level, much as what also happened but at a much more parsimonious level at Gobekli Tepe.
GT happened more than 10 thousand years ago. At the center and down to, and possibly even lower than, the horizon-level of this 5 to 3 thousand year old surface strata, may yet also sit a much older set of massive stone structures. Much later communities, still knowing its (by their own reckoning, already extremely ancient and) fabled, ancestrally relevant past, chose not to uncover it, but simply build their own tombs and structures of worship above and around it.
The uppermost layer was from a thousands-of-years later, adopting community that somehow could have at least suspected what was much further down and inside the mound. Back then? it may have still been part of an oral myth, that since, finally got lost.
All that's needed to test this theory is to first dig a deep hole, and then -- if evidence is found -- dig it all back out. All it takes is willpower and a whole lot of cash.
Thank you!!
Fascinating, I always wondered why they buried such sites with a mound.
Fascinating little site
Need to do some geophysics, space surveys, and test pits it sounds like.
Thank you!
This may be the archeologic missing link in the region. Chuck really may have been on to something.
Nicely done Matt.
Matt, you gave me an attack of dejavu! Then I searched for an earlier date and found that it was a recent revision. My memory is bad enough, to be honest, even without the celebratory libations to mark my defeat of the insurance actuaries yet again! Keep up the very good work! Cheers! 🍷🍷🍷
When the camera gets a good view of the area around it all the exposed stone and it looks like a sea bed or lake bed, crazy geology.
Thanks for repeating the time periods. I don’t have them memorized and I hate the bce/ce system. It hurts my brain. This place is so cool! Toy chariots are adorable!!!!!!
What's in the hole on top? How far down does it go? Get that drone in there!
Can’t find any specific info on the hole. I don’t think it’s significant, but I could be wrong.
@@AncientArchitects Sure, just seems like somebody went digging at some point.
Hey there History for GRANITE, your channel is on my sub list and I think your vids are really well researched and very interesting. I look forward to your next one.
So much buried history!! 👍
EDIT: I miss Chuck.. 🙏🏻❤🙏🏻
In the near future, we will be able to scan in 3d mounds, pyramids, terrain, etc
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Wow, that first Arial shot of this place was so moving. My genetics are encoded in that architecture, and vise/versa
Commenting in support.
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It is certainly a very interesting site. I found it on Google Maps which has a lot of interesting photo's (including Mozes well). It definitely isn't getting the attention it deserves and because people around are using pieces of it for their houses it needs to be put under protection.
I also miss Chuck. He often pointed to sites that weren't in the picture and I learnt a lot about ancient America through him. I didn't always agree with his analysis, but the sites he pointed to are worth investigating more.
the "chocalithic period" sounds delicious
Haha
Looks like there may have been a five or six walled enclosure on top to me.
May be right 👍
It could very well be a temple, but it could also be some kind of palace or even a village. Without any digging or even geophysics we can only guess.
What is clear is that this place certainly needs a good large archaeological investigation, there is clearly something down there and it is likely something interesting.
Archeoastronomical/astro-geometric too
Sooooo enticing!
Mooooore please!
Sorry to hear Chuck passed away ☘️
Has there been any GPR scans?
As I understand, Moses escaped from Pharaoh (after killing an Egyptian) by fleeing to Midian, where he met Jethro. Who says he went to Harran, instead??
I believe it’s an Islamic story
Read the article Matt linked. Sounds like another Islamic fiction to muddy up earlier written accounts of judaeism and christianity. The entire story of muhammeds night ride and ascendancy go heaven from Jerusalum was all created as a way to take over the holiest site in their rival religions.
@@AncientArchitects What I've learnt so far from some Islamic/Arabic traditions, the place is known as Madyan. I'm wondering if Harran has something related to Sabian culture?
I really need to not drink before watching, because for a second my brain thought "Wait. Moses had a call center?"
The topography looks like muddy sediment covered the ruins of a megalithic pyramid and solidified. The tomb entrance looks again like megalithic blocks covered in the same sediment
It's infuriating. There's so much archaeolology waiting to be uncovered. It's not a question of if there is anything at all, like searching for a fabled lost something, but of just what, exactly, is there.
Whats with the big hole/cavern on top of the mound? Can it be entered?
The sink hole at the top indicates a chamber below.
And we haven't even seen a close-up picture of the hole yet, or heard it mentioned.
The coolest thing they could find would be the Dome of the Magi.
It also seriously looks like a massive body of water drained from the area, at least like a local flood, at least?
definitely shaped by water at some time.
What is that hole at the top?
This is really intriguing. I am wondering - could an ordinary person just walk up and do a LIDAR scan of the mound (-assuming they could afford proper scanning equipment) or does it have to be an official scan blessed by the national government and academic folk? I guess theoretically looters would be a worry, but probly technology could be deployed to protect against that.
Everything's for a ceremony! Our ancient ancestors did nothing but build crazy things and party geez...
Well, it was known as the temple of the seven planets in the 2nd century BC and there are even inscriptions to the moon god and others. It definitely has a religious significance. But in Chalcolithic and Bronze Age time? Maybe. Ziggurats did.
8:28 - Water Islands. Lay of the Land.
From my geological background, but without knowing the specifics of the local geology, the mound appears similar to the relict or fossil mound springs of the Australian Outback, particularly on the verges of the Great Artesian Basin, deposited by solution of the surrounding limestone.(c.f. your video on Silbury Hill ) It appears to be on the verge of an oasis in a Limestone Karst landscape, and I would be interested to find out the exact geology and the possible location of any water table there. As a spring it could have been central to local society, with building to retain the water over the millennia.
What's down the hole in the middle?
Toys if clay. Cool.
With all of these ancient sites being found in Turkey, I can’t help but think of the Voynich manuscript. Wasn’t it determined to be an ancient Turkish writing?
This could be the mountain of Sin (Sin Ai).
It's strange, there are so many religious and cultic sites in academic history. In our society, there are at least as many representative buildings - for gouvernment, education, etc - as churches.
The ancestors needed good gouvernment as well. They survived for 300.000 years.
Without gouvernment-buildings? No way!
With our system of gouverning, we have 200 years of experience. War and climate catastrophy is the result.
Agreed
In the ancient world perhaps they didn’t compartmentalize government, religion,education as much as we moderns do. Maybe they recognized the interwoveness of these elements and had a more unified and wholistic understanding
Is that natural terrain surrounding the mound or has the area been strip mined? It’s very bizarre.
It’s a natural lowland in the Tek Tek mountains, where streams converge. They built the mound on this lowland basin.
@@AncientArchitects Wow. It looks artificial. Cool. Thank you.
Looks very barren around there with the bare rock and no vegetation, crazy that it supported so much over its lifetime.
Climate can change alot over thousands of years. For all we know there could have been. A major river or water source nearby which has since dried up. Even back then the level of irrigation engineering was excellent.
@@johncollins211 He does mention that there are springs in the area, I was thinking more of no soil for crops and very little grazing for goats etc. They did live there for a long period so it did support life.
Why is there a hole on the top of the mound?
We won't know until they dig ... and what is that curious hole in the top?
Secret caves
Could be!
sharing
Thanks
The Blue Peter time capsule possibly🤔
One can only hope 😂
Where did all of the material come from? There does not appear to be much top soil in that area.
a lot of erosion has come off the tek-tek in the past 10,000 years, and a flat like that with hills all around it will have collected wonderful mud...
Are legends really needed.
You should check and investigate Tarsus excavation in Turkey
Maybe difference in elevation follows difference in climate over the apparent difference in time period?
It cold have been the rulers palace. When rulers were considered gods they built their dwellings higher than the surrounding buildings to show their importance.
I miss Chuck.
Damn, I miss Chuck.
Ararat is a pyre - amid ( fire in the midst)
Also known as a volcanoe its also in turkey.
Subsequent zigurats, temples pagodas contain symbolism encoding flood events.The soft sediments remaining after the flood were carved and sculpted, eventually turned to stone.
Waiting for gpr!
Originally a spoil heap from ancient mining, subsequently dug into into during a later epoch...
The first settlement might very well date to 10k years ago, give or take. Though with say 8 millennia of continuous or intermittent activity there wouldn't be much left. Also the oldest layers are most likely at the bottom, all the way beneath the mount. Problematic for any excavation work. A small shaft would perhaps be the least destructive. It's amazing though how Anatolia has emerged over the past decades.
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Moses connection is PRICELESS spanxxx!
There is no such word as escavate. It's excavate, as in excavator or excise, (which basically means "to remove"). I wouldn't have said anything, but I thought that if you are going to be saying it 20 times in a video, you might be glad to know for next time. I know I would. Thanks for the great videos!
It's his particular english dialect that gives the x an s-ish sound :)