Subguns for South America: the Steyr-Solothurn MP-34 in .45ACP
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The MP-34 was made by Steyr-Solothurn in four different calibers - 9x19 for the Germany army, 9x25 for the Austrian army, 9x23 for the Austrian police, and .45 ACP for the export market. This is one of the .45 caliber examples, of which only about 500 were made, all for South American countries (including El Salvador, Chile, Bolivia, and Uruguay). The gun shares most of its parts with the 9mm versions, with the exception of the magazine housing, rear sight mounting, bolt, and barrel. The receiver and magazine housing are the same length as the standard pattern, which much simplified production; it just has a wider housing to fit the double-stack 20-round .45 caliber magazine. In addition, because of the lack of common .45 ACP stripper clips, the clip-loading feature of the MP-34 mag housing was left off the .45 caliber model.
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Ian's gonna go looking for those nypd guns now that he has a scuba certificate.
"alas the nypd threw theirs in the ocean..."
more difficult things have been dredged up from the ocean floor.
I think there's some BARs in the L.A river
Bringing them up isn't the hard part
MP34 is easily one of the most classy, deluxe SMG out there
Definatley my favorite pre-ww2 SMG
Before ww2
@@taloob493 That is true for me alongside the EMP-35, the KP-31, the MP-41, and the Bergmann MP-35
Guns like these were like cars of that era, there was an art form to how they made them back then that just isn’t matched today.
Side-loading SMGs are all ugly
Sorry, had to stop the video when Ian said 'sadly, the NYPD threw them in the ocean' and had to have a little cry!
I know. I’m like DFUQ?
Yeah that shit is just wrong for several reasons.
My favorite thing about FW is when you are filming a video on a rare variant of a rare machine gun, and then casually pull out the other rare machine gun for comparison.
Wait the New York Police department literally used a variant of lost it in a booting accident? I guess that joke's been around longer than I thought
no, the nypd deliberately dumped tons of firearms, gambling machines, and booze into the atlantic to ensure nobody, not even new jersey could get their hands on their contraband
@@AsbestosMuffins God damn New Jersey
I would have liked to have seen Ian’s reaction in editing.. “magazine shroud??” Lol. We all make mistakes like this. He could have cut it out during editing, but left it in because he’s humble.
He's Gun Jesus, if he calls it a Magazine Shroud, that's what it is.
my chimp brain saw "shotguns" instead of "subguns" in the title, and was hoping for an MP-34 chambered for some tiny buckshot.
There is a video out on CZcams with a chimp with an AK. Its hilarious when the chimp starts shooting. Go to YT and enter 'ape with AK47'.
ha me too
Pistol caliber shotshells
Jordan Andrew Snakeshot in a subgun 🤔
@@slavsupreme5129 effective range of 10 meters. Effective fun of 9000.
I dream of a Bolivian shack with one of these hidden in the rafters... and me finding it on holiday.
Then there is the issue of trying to get it home.
@@kaistzar2831 home is where the mp-34 is
@Graham Nah, be easier to get a machinegun dealer license. Wouldn't need to cut it up at all, it could be registered as a dealer sample, and you might even make some money renting it. Still plenty of movies needing Germanic weapons for props and everyone loves the gun ranges that will rent you a magazine or two through a full-auto. A lucky find in the attics of Bolivia could become the start of a beautiful business empire.
@Graham You can't assemble it again as a working machinegun except with the right licenses, and the same licenses allow you to import it as a complete unit so no harm need be done to the gun. If you make it a parts kit, you are destroying a complete weapon to have a wallhanger or spare parts.
Hey, get out of my dream!
I would translate "Dauerfeuer" as "continuous fire"
@@Wolfgang9484 yes, but it's the literal translation
And "Einzelfeuer" as "single fire".
There's an abandoned island in the East river between Queens and the Bronx that has an abandoned hospital on it named 'Brother Island'. There's signs someone used it for target practice back in the 60's with a fully automatic sub machine gun (looks like 45 cal) in the steel doors of the place. Now I wonder if these sub machine guns were used in a last hurrah before being tossed in the river?
I love when Ian brings us a weird trials version or special-purpose limited run version I've never heard of, of a gun I do know.
I’m surprised the Norwegians didn’t buy some to go with their 1911’s.
Bonus points if they have interchangeable magazines
Expensive.
I am pretty sure price point was one of the main reason. SMG was not a priority for most army at the time.
@markedbythezone what are you going to do with a 7+1 shot submachinegun tho, would be redundant to make it interchangeable with the 1911
@@eduardopupucon no, the subgun has a big fun stick that will also fit in the 1911.
What a beauty. The bolt alone with all that metal would make an awesome melee weapon.
Karl mentioned how busy you are to create these videos. Thank you for the effort.
You should do a video on the Daniels Machine Carbine from 1929, it was gangster copy of the MP28 used in Chicago St Valentine’s Day massacre. You posed about on your website many years ago.
I knew the guy who as a kid was the newspaper boy on the corner when the massacre happened. He told me about it more than 50 years ago.
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Bless you.
@@phileas007 Ja, Oida, wos wüst? ;)
I sold so many typewriters to Russia after 2014
@@PaulJacobsComedynur gschmunzelt, weiter so
Why is this channel so damn addictive?!
It's a top-shelf of gun porn, man :))
Because Ian puts crack into his videos, duh..
Because there is "serious hazard of learning something"
Because it stimulates the ears and eyes, like a DP of the brain!
@@EddieRiggsBF3 oh I get that reference!which video is it from?
Guess we can add "destroying a cool piece of firearms history" to the long list of crimes committed by the NYPD.
Lots of police departments did it...... I vaguely remember a story of the San Francisco (maybe it was Los Angeles, i dont remember) PD dumping Thompsons, BARs, and colt monitors into the bay. Truly awful stuff.
@@kre1187 In that case, grab the scuba gear we're going for a swim
@@TactaGhoul to bad there just rusted scap metal now
@@kre1187 I like how you listed basically all of the cities that are jokes to the firearms community and basically most sane people.
@@mrfisher1072 I know it was in California, and those would be the two cities to do it lol
The stripper clip guide makes sense a lot because austrian army used steyr 1912 pistols in 9mm steyr that had internal fixed magazine and were loaded by stripper clips...
This might just be my favorite pre-war submachine gun. One of these in 9x25 Mauser Export would be on my lotto list, right up with an FG42 and a P04 Luger.
I was baffled by what looked to be a stripper guide oriented perpendicular to the magazine well. Oh! They built a loading bench into the gun! Grateful as always for the disassembly and top-notch anecdotal information that weaves together the history of nifty old guns like these.
That sub-gun must have been Beast Mode in 9x25 Mauser!
1243 phew! Nearly had my luggage combination there...
So beautifully designed and machined! The interwar submachine guns are my favorite!
What a beautiful gun! It just looks right in every way.
Interesting gun. Lots of thought seems to have been put into ease of servicing the gun. Looking forward to seeing the upcoming shooting video on this one.
1:56 And now, the Nations of the World, brought to you by... Ian McCollum!
:D
Always loved the MP-34. It has a beautiful design, especially the receiver.
WOW Thats a beautifully crafted magazine shroud
Okay that stripper clip loader system for the 9mm version is cool as hell. Wonder if cops had little informal competitions to see who could dump a mag, reload it with a stripper clip and then dump it again the fastest.
I have a theory: there are TWO Ians - a good Ian and his evil twin. The evil one says on camera "[S]teyr" at 0:17 and the good one does the voice-over at 0:37 with "[Sh]teyr".
P.S. Two variants just 20 seconds apart - it seems like the new record! =)
Austrians pronounce it Shteyr.
That clip loader feature is really cool.
Now I want one on my AK or AR.
Salutes from URUGUAY!never saw or knew of one of those in 45acp here mp28 in 9mm yes and others i will reseach , cheers!
"... of a batch of 7 guns that was brought in in the late 1970s from Guatemala"
Where the heck do you always find these informations?
I'm always baffled how you pull the tiniest pieces of history about super rare guns nobody has ever heard of out of your sleeves. Astonishing!
A lot of interesting stuff got brought in around then, including AR-10s.
Wonder if Sam Cummings had anything to do with it. He was always finding batches of interesting stuff in odd corners of the world.
Teacher: Tomorrow will be show and tell! Don’t bring anything Inappropriate for school!
The quiet kid in the back row:
They should teach this stuff in schools. There would be more engineers and fewer gender studies snowflakes.
Damn their 9 milly meeter cartridges! Fowty five all the way!
- Probably a Fudd that was working at Steyr
Thank you , Ian .
i sense a new market developing for tactical magazine shrouds
1:33 what's with New York throwing perfectly good firearms in the ocean?! seriously it hurts my soul T-T
Many departments resell their obsolete firearms, but some demill instead, including the federal agencies. While I disagree with the policy, I defend their right to decide.
@@georgelstuart keep in mind New York essentially through both history and tax payers dollars into the ocean. Why because they don't trust you.
It's what you get when you give politicians the right to confiscate your money. And that's what the upcoming election is about, I guess. Choose A or B, who more or less do the same thing with some difference in personality. Or vote for C, who won't ever win, but at least won't take your money and spend every penny on guns that will eventually be destroyed for no particular good reason.
@@georgelstuart - Doing so is effectively stealing from the people via taxes, their money and then challenging the people to do something about it while telling the people “we are gonna do it again”. Once again the people getting nothing from what was theirs. Well we did get massive debt from the government.
You really think they threw all of them in the ocean?
I like the 9mm MP-34's magazine well had a built-in loader. How convenient. Gotta give it to the designers; they really thought it out.
An MP-34 in .45? Why the heck not?
That was good research on how to say Einzelfeuer and Dauerfeuer.
It's possible that they could have had sales of MP-34 in 45acp to Norway. Norwegian Army pistol being M/1914 11.25mm (Norwegian built Colt licensed 1911 in .45)
Nice. The replaceable firing pin and its little buffer is certainly a good idea. The clip loading attachment is innovative and creative, if a bit busy. I am surprised they sold so few 45's. With that many countries using 45, i would have expected sales to be a few thousand at least. Of course, money was tight and most national police forces down there used various Mauser carbines, which they already had. That one had a rough life- lots of chips and gouges on the stock in addition to the metal wear you point out. I shudder to imagine them possibly being piled in arms rooms rather than kept in proper racks. Third world countries often do not take the best care of their firearms. Great video as always. Thank you
Dauerfeuer literally translated means "throughout-fire" as in "fire through the whole magazine with one pull of the trigger."
I agree with nirfz, Dauer means steady, permanent, continuous, perennial or continuant.
Throughout can be translated to "immer" (always) but the meaning would be different. Have not seen one example where throughout has been translated to Dauer- in German. What you explain sound more like durchgehend (throughout [all the time])
@ you two would know better than me. Thanks for the correction!
I love design and machinery of the body. In general looks very good.
It would be interesting to see the equipment they used to machine the receiver and top cover, and how they did it.
The mag well loaded is a trick idea. Thats awesome.
The 9x19 version had to have the long magazine well to accomodate also the 7,63 Mauser which is almost identical in length to th .45.
I was all "But the receivers are NOT the same, one's got a safety notch for the bolt handle, the other doesn't!"
Silly me. I should have known that would be addressed in time.
Yeah Ian is generally good about that. Though it sticks with me to this day that he never discussed the Farquhar Hill's stripper clip guide.
Greetings from Austria Ian !
YOu have to admire the production quality of Solothurn, these things would survive a direct hit from a thermonuclear-neglective russian gun owner for years.
1:33
I just realized I need to take up scuba diving.
I was very happy to see this in my feed this morning... the gun and the history is great... but tomorrow we get shooting video? I am now... moist. .45ACP Subguns.
Fantastic!
Stripper clips for .30-06 should work just fine with .45 acp.
Advanced primary ignition? Nice!
The guns "thrown into the ocean " will eventually start to appear in the estates of the children and grandchildren of NYPD officers. These firearms will be seen again.
@Steel Reb Their offspring may or may not still live in NY.
Hopefully!
@Graham LOL!!
Soooo
None of this add a firearm to the registry therefore y’all screwed?
Any of the full autos wouldn't be registered and are therefore 10yrs in prison and $250,000 fine, just to possess.
Talking about an ultra rare gun you have your hands on. Evocating one of it's variants and it just pops out of the screen. What a life !
Interesting firearm. Love to shoot one as I love the .45.
Can't wait for the range firing!
This will make a good Star Wars gun. Remove the magazine. Put a scope mount & scope in the magazine well. Remove the sights. And add some greeblies on the stock. BOOM u got a Star Wars blaster!
Please don't do this to an actual MP34
What in the weird wide world of fire arms is THAT thing 2nd gun from the right on the back wall. It looks beastly! Big magazine, weird axehead sight, heavy looking to boot!
I hope that tomorrow is a side by side comparison between the two.
Gonna be nice to see how it shoots in .45ACP; still looking pretty expensive to make to me, there's a lot of machining there.
Would love to see this in 9mm Mauser.
YOU SKIPPED: trap-door in butt-stock.
The magazine shroud is what makes this gun stand out. lol
Huzzah. Now for the 9x25mm version.
My desire to know more about the sights intensifies... How ''well'' calibrated was it at those long distances?
An SMG video for my birthday? This is the best!
SHOOTING VIDEO TOMORROW? FUCK YEAH!
Was it also used in the Kyrati civil war?
Sure was
@@floppa9415 س
Propably in the beginning but they got replaced by throwable pieces of meat as far as I'm concerned
Of course.
@@floppa9415 at the end, Kriss vector
The Germanic infatuation with milling and machining steel is strong with this firearm.
I always kinda liked that style of sub gun. You can tell what they were thinking when it was designed. I can see the company telling potential buyers, "The side loading magazine makes it much easier for a soldier to shoot and reload when prone."
What's a magazine shroud "I think it's the hand thing that goes forward"
Now I am looking forward to the range video on this gun but I hate that I have to wait...
Also does anyone know if there is any videos on AMTs "On duty" pistol? Just curious about it since I re-read the Punisher Armoury comics that mentioned them.
Hur mycket skulle Ian kunna tjäna genom en World Tour med en liten 20fots container full med de godsaker han kan lägga händerna på? Vi bortser från Corona just nu. Många skulle nog gärna vilja prova på. Men man får bara drömma....
@@dmg4415 Resan skulle nog betala sig själv om han bara fick igenom alla nödvändiga tillstånd... Men drömma kan man som du sa.
This means s the first time I've watched them his channel and I like it
I like the way they did the semi automatic trigger on this, the bolt has to be on its way back before it resets the trigger, I don't think even Jerry Miculek could out run this gun
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I already know what gun Call of Duty Warzone needs to add next season and with what available attachments!
Isn't simplicity beautiful? Yes, indeed it is!
magazine shroud- Ian
Looks like the rear sight pops up when the bolt goes forward.
I read the title wrong and saw "shotguns in .45ACP" and thought that seems interesting then my brain decided to fill me in on my misreading. I must say I am slightly disappointed in myself but subgun makes more sense
Nice video 👍
This is what i call a cool submachinegun in the right caliber😁
I wonder what's the rate of fire this thing have..
It would be a real fun gun to try out😁
Very Cool SMG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
0:29 gotta catch em all
I find it interesting that Semi and Auto were marked with the German abbreviations E and D. So I assume this gun wasn't made especially for export? Or was it just standard back then to put these kinds of markings only in your own language?
Apart from that - certainly not easy or cheap to manufacture, but downright elegant in its simplicity!
On our old G36A1 it still uses F for Feuer and E for Einzelfeuer.
It looks to me as though the ejection port on the .45 is slightly longer at the front as well. Hard to tell just looking at a video of course.
I want a magazine shroud now
D for "Dauerfeuer" means contiunous fire, and E for "Einzelfeuer" means single fire.
That’s pretty dope, 45acp is so damn underrated for how significant it was historically when 38 just wasn’t cutting it in the Philippines and was a complete replacement for 45LC..
Any idea what year NYPD purchased the guns and why? They were using Thompson SMGs I wonder why they complicated their supply chain.
It just seems like a thompson and a sten had a baby, but that baby is born from a MP-18 and a Sten. Sten is unfaithful...
Sten come from MP-18, and was created in 1940s, which is several years after MP-34 came out. Sten is developed because Thompson SMG are too expensive to be mass produced and equipped for soldiers. Not to mention British forces lost a lot of their equipment during Evacuation of Dunkirk.
@@jantschierschky3461 well, some don't. Probably new subscriber or viewer, idk
do a video on the ks23
"When the NYPD threw them in the ocean".
(Nobody liked that)
@Graham Lol
Yet another example, I never heard of.
That built-in stripper clip loading loading thing is sweet
Gotta say Dauerfeuer and Einzelfeuer were on point. Only the ö is a bit of since the sound just does not realy exist in the english language
Hi, I have one off-topic question - how the trajectory of the bullet was determined back then, and how it's done now? Just calculations are enough for that? Thank you in advance for comments.
This question is more simple than you think. Basic physics can get you estimates of bullet speed and then one can use that to determine drop at a distance. I think they originally used the black powder weights and the given burn rate to determine velocity imparted on the projectile.
@@cameronroberts5461 Thank you.