Justice in Palestine... But For Whom? | Victor Kattan
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- čas přidán 17. 07. 2024
- The power and apparent failings of international law in Palestine are questions on everyone's minds right now. In this episode of This is Not a Watermelon, professor Victor Kattan walks us through the scope and remit of international law, the legalities of occupation and invasion, and the state of international law today. Tracking back through the 20th century, Victor reflects on whether the makers of the Balfour Declaration and Mandates for Palestine would call their "great experiment" a success. He touches on the "Jewish question" in Europe, apartheid as a form of genocide, and the likelihood of a functioning Palestinian State. Finally, he looks at South Africa's case against Israel and to the question of whether justice in Palestine is ever possible (and if so, in what form and for whom?)
This episode was recorded on May 21st, 2024 at 5pm Palestine time.
0:00 Introduction
1:58 Interest in Palestine
5:37 Scope of International Law in Palestine
9:58 Legality of Occupation & Invasion
12:30 Time Limitations on Accountability for War Crimes
14:05 International Law Today
22:28 Mapping Success of Mandate for Palestine
25:06 "Colonization Scheme for East Africa"
28:50 The Jewish Question to Zionism
30:33 Mandates A, B & C
35:53 Likelihood of a Palestinian State
38:16 Apartheid As Genocide
40:04 South Africa's Case in the ICJ
44:56 US University Protest Encampments
53:07 Is Justice Possible In Palestine?
Victor Kattan is an Assistant Professor at the University of Nottingham School of Law, where he is writing a book on apartheid as a crime against humanity. He was previously awarded consecutive postdoctoral awards and fellowships at the National University of Singapore (2013-2020). He is a member of the Editorial Board of The Asian Journal of International Law and is Area Editor for the Middle East and Islam for Oxford Bibliographies of International Law.
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Mikey, thank you for the great interview!!
Our pleasure! We're glad you found it helpful!
This is really helpful, thanks very much for inviting Prof. Kattan & for such thoughtful questions. Great idea to ask for book recommendations.
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Glad you found it useful! Keep an eye out for a Daftar article on professor Kattan's book recommendations. We'll also paste the link in the CZcams description once it is released.
Brillant session. Thanks all.
We're glad you found it useful!
Such an interesting conversation, thank you. Just as a rank outsider, sorry if this is just wide of the mark, but wouldn't it be better for Palestinians to accept a state however it is and work from there? Go ahead then and expand, annexe, whatever, but one thing Israeli's did was get in and make institutions and solidify their presence. From this discussion is seems Palestine has never had any sort of law on its side. Such brilliant people, brilliant minds, amazing culture. What could be done from a small base? Sorry if this is bone ignorant....
for basic human rights
justice for basic human rights
Very helpful interview. Thanks
I have been wondering about these same questions of occupation. Thank you for a pointed discussion that clarifies what is acceptable and what is not under international law.There is so much "might makes right" and "anything goes" thinking that this discussion is refreshing and much needed.
We're glad you found it helpful!
Where the argument about ‘occupation’ falls down is that through out the decades Israelis have engaged in peace talks in good faith. If you read their records.. minutes of meetings this quickly becomes apparent. Through that lens the assumptions about the motives of Israelis is a stretch, and really contradicts any claim that Palestinians want peace. When you keep trying to murder people they have less trust in you. Making arguments as though Palestinians are victims post October 7 shows either extreme ignorance of the facts or duplicity.
That's very insightful video. Had no idea ab so much stuff discussed there. Def great recommends
I JUST WANTED TO KNOW HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET THE PRISONERS FROM ISRAELIS JAIL BACK HOME ?? ANYONE CAN ANSWER ME PLEASE ?? THANK YOU😢
I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET THE PRISONERS FROM ISRAELIS PRISON BACK HOME?? ANYBODY CAN ANSWER ME PLEASE THANK YOU😢
عفكرة.... الف شكر
Colonialism no MORE !!!!
Imperialistic GAMES NO
MORE !!!
Palestine 🇵🇸 must be FREE
Free of Hamas?
@@roberteigen4499You seem to have more paranoia about hummus than Palestinian Christians do.
@@rsync9490 I don't quite get what you mean to say. Could it be because Hamas has vowed to kill all Jews, but not all Christians?
@@roberteigen4499 You wrote and I quote 'Free of Hamas', not 'free jews from Hamas' or 'free the hostages'. The phrase you wrote suggests the Palestinians consider Hamas an existential threat to themselves. If that were the case wouldn't Palestinian christians rebel against Hamas? After all, Palestine must be free from Hamas. The reality is that Palestinian Christians in the west bank and Gaza see Israel as their enemy. Not the people, the government. Don't presume to tell Palestinians who their oppressors are.
@@rsync9490 my intention was to imply that the Palestinians are the victims of Hamas. Even if they voted for them. And if the Palestinians do not consider Hamas the enemy then they are allies, and equally guilty for the atrocities of Oct. 7
There was peace between Muslims, Christians and Jews living in Palestine until 1917, when colonial settlers from Europe invaded the country, displaced and dispossessed the indigenous inhabitants, and stole their land. It accelerated to a massive scale during late 1947 especially in the first half of 1948. The first village to be fully cleaned was the village of Qisarya, which had 1500 inhabitants, was on February 15, 1948. The peak of the massacres happened on April 9, 1948, during which 750,000 Palestinians out of the 900,000 who lived in the territories that became Israel fled or were expelled from their homes. Then some ill-equipped and ill-armed Arab armies came to the rescue of the Palestinians, but by the time they arrived in mid May, 1948 it was already late. They were defeated by the superior Israeli army in their so called war of independence on May 15, 1948. The majority of the native Palestinian inhabitants have thus become refugees, some internally in the west bank and Gaza and others outside their country especially in the surrounding countries. Their homes were demolished and mines were placed in order to prevent them to going back to their villages and towns. The Israeli government soon after passed a law preventing the refugees from coming back to reclaim their property.
There was a european colonialism in the levant from before 1917, they are called the ottoman. And no, there was no peacefulness under them either.
Liar.
If your holy book curse them for eternal on hellfire then how can the people of that book can be peaceful with them?
First remove the anti Jews verses from your holy book then they will talk about the peace otherwise muslim will suffer as they are suffering across the globe
@@beniluv3250 While no fan of the Ottomans as my very Christian ancestors spent centuries fighting off their invasions in a place slighty smaller than Gaza. But facts are facts. Bethlehem remained a Christian city under them & Jews were treated better by the Ottomans than by Russians & Europeans. Which is why many took refugee there. So for Jews it certainly was peaceful. Armenians perhaps not so much. One has to question the wisdom of a people that having suffered centuries of persecution go on to persecuted and make enemies of the people that weren't persecuting & killing them.
Also re massacres there was a massacre of Jews by Muslims in Hebron in 1517. There was a massacre of Jews by Muslims in Hebron in 1929. There was a lot of other activity in between. Please quit with the bad faith taqiyya. People can read and fact check your comments, and in the end you’re not helping Palestinians to be doing influence campaigns for a brutally violent cult.
Is funny how Justice is…this happened 2000 years ago..same people same land…
Why do you support the Ottoman colonial occupation before the British and don't define that as occupation?
@@otho69AD Like what they did with the Armenians?
@@otho69AD And if you approve of the Ottoman occupation, stop lying and saying that you are against occupation.
@@noamtoit has been documented that when Russian empire used to attack Ottoman Empire , then Armenia used to support Russia
@@Knowmore55555 and?
That was in response to the Circassian genocide against Muslims. Stop playing victims @@noamto
How one can study so many years and said that indigenous people for Judea are arabs? What special historical book he study?
Final solution for the Europeans becomes a nightmare for the Palestinians?
My brother Justice is when the law findings are made public… to the people
Next week😅
A most insightful interview and much respect for the professor who declined, at every turn, being pulled into propaganda
What on earth do you mean? He absolutely was running with propaganda. He’s just better at it than most. Imperialism is imperialism. It’s not better imperialism just because it’s Islamic or Soviet imperialism.
Parts of the land were given to Jordan and Lebanon, but Palestinians never talked about these occupations. They want to destroy Israel.
So if there was the ability to prosecute war crimes back then, wouldn’t Yasser Arafat have been guilty of war crimes? Amin Al-Husseini definitely would have been… So unless you’re going to apply these laws EQUALLY stop talking as though prosecuting Israelis is some venture in humanitarianism; when it’s actually just another hostile strategy.
if it's justice it must benefit the palestinians but will do no injustice to the israel7s
Talk talk
GROUP RIGHTS/COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT. This world is hell 🌎