How are decisions made in Vault Hunters? - Ft. Iskall85
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- čas přidán 22. 05. 2024
- We has an awesome chance to interview the creator of Vault Hunters and resident Hermit - Iskall85! We discussed game design, the future of vault hunters and even got some special information about upcoming changes!
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0:00 - Introduction
00:28 - Early Game Changes
04:48 - Vault Objectives
11:47 - Co-op Game Design
16:44 - Distractions and Diversions
21:08 - Vault God System Design
26:04 - POI Design Changes
29:26 - Experience Gain Changes
33:09 - Tiers of Play in Vault Hunters
35:19 - Crafting Vault Armour
41:46 - Eternals
45:59 - Future Updates
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Really impressed that you managed to land the interview and happy for you that you did!
Thanks 😊 genuinely can't believe it happened 😅
Lets go. Cant believe you got to sit down Mr. 85 himself. IskallMAN strikes again.
I'll be honest, I can't actually believe it myself :D Hermit Challenges was what got me back into minecraft
@@Hellfirem4ge hermit challerngaaaassss!
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@@justicefool3942 I can still hear it 😆
Loved to see this!
I was actually thinking about the state of gear crafting tonight as a relatively new player. I’m about 80% of the way there on sword proficiency and was blown away by how much of the power you start to see even as low as 30-40% when the epics start rolling in. So I understand Iskall saying it’s balanced. But I think the perception problem is a very real problem. It’s so unclear what you’re getting better at and even that those earlier milestones can be powerful. Before I got into the system it looked like I might need to spend hundreds of gold before I saw any benefit and I had no real idea what I’d even get once I was there. And I think a lot of that could be addressed via UI/UX changes without even touching any of the underlying systems.
Honestly its something that has been bothering me for a really long time and I'm really glad I got a chance to talk about it. It makes sense from a design perspective but for me it just feels like we get access to it too early and it gives a mixed message. Definitely has a lot of potential though!
this is one of my favorite modpacks and every bit of info i know has been through your vids, much love bro.
Thank you! Im honestly so excited to get back to making content on it after the recent changes!
I feel like the best way of balancing summon eternal could be a new offhand item. That way it doesn’t dilute the current pool of armor but the player still has to make the decision to take better eternals over like mana or ability power.
Given how powerful eternals were though, I don't think that would have enough of an impact outside min-maxing. You can run a mana build pretty well even without it so it wouldn't give up too much.
An idea I had was to make a craftable focus that gives eternal power so that it doesn't dilute the current pool but you have to invest further resources to turn armour into eternal armour sets
@@Hellfirem4ge Yeah I think it’s just kind of a difficult thing to balance and that’s why it’s still a work in progress if happening at all. From a game design standpoint it makes sense since from my experience I feel like armor is at a good place right now.
Look at you being all successful and stuff :) Amazing job Hell!
Thanks Rob, couldn't have even got here without you mr birdman 😊
13 :01 I actually agree that Scavs don't need to be changed but I still take issue with this answer. All he's proved is that ISKALL can win 80% of the time. He has absolutely never proved that anyone or even most people can. Iskall likes to be humble and pretend like he's an average player, but he's actually quite skilled, and not all of us are built like that. Anyway, Scav IS hard in SP, but it's also really fun. If the range of how difficult it could be was just tweaked a little bit, it would be more reliably completable in SP and my favorite objective overall, but if it's lowered at all from where it is now it would be laughably easy with multiplayer, skill notwithstanding. I do think it's where it should be until they are able to scale it with multiple players in the vault, but I would strongly support the notion of making it slightly easier than it is for one player, but scale higher with more players. Might be worth testing with multiple members of the VH servers and seeing what their average is. Because it might be a "skill issue" but if that's the case all you're saying is that it is skill gated for the better players and less skilled ones just... miss out? Because when we're talking about making it more accessible, these ideas are diametrically opposed foes.
I'll be honest, I only complete about 20% of my scav vaults but I often get distracted. It's definitely much easier to do with a pacifist build but I like using storm arrow 😊
It was something we actually discussed a lot, especially with ascension stuff so I'm sure there's some stuff that will help in the future on that side too 😊
Thank you for the interview!!
Hallo good sir, big fan, keep up the great work
Thank you!!!
Some great content. Loved hearing your unique perspectives. Cheers.
Thank you 😊 I'm glad so many people are enjoying this format because it's so much fun!
Loved the podcast feel of this. I'm always on the hunt for VH info 😆
Thank you 😊 it was so much fun!
This is amazing. I'm loving it more as I listen!
It was so much fun! I actually had to cut a bunch out to save it being a million hours long 😅
Congrats on the 10k!
Thank you!
Amazing! I loved it!
12:42
that door is absolutely troll
🤣🤣🤣🤣
This was a lot of fun and very informative
I hope you get to talk with Iskall again
Me too! I'd also love to speak to other creators and members of the team
great vid. think you did awesome at interviewing .
Thank you 😊
Loved the interview! You regained my sub my rainbow suited friend
Thank you 😊
I do wish Iskall would acknowledge that looting 200+ chests to complete scavs is a skill many, if not most, players will never achieve. We can acknowledge that all vault objectives are opt-in (assuming you don't curse yourself into a locked value), and so we can learn to ignore scav objectives, as I do.
On the other hand, I love vault-gear crafting. I get my best gear that way.
Yeah, I don't fully agree with his stance on scavs. Before recording we had a bit of a conversation about it and I brought it up 😅
Great interview though. Thanks for putting this together.@@Hellfirem4ge
This is awesome congrats for the interview.
Thanks! I'm hoping to have more with others soon!
iskall needs to see some of the scav objectives ppl are getting in singleplayer i think, the ridiculousness of the amount of some of the things it wants u to get but are impossible as none of those chests spawn in any of the rooms u go into in ur entire vault run
Yeah, you get some on the other side that are insanely easy becuse you hit dungeons and omega rooms so you're really at the mercy of rng
@@Hellfirem4ge 😢the vault gods are not that nice to me.... i wish i got god run scavs, ill even just take one 🤣🤣 guess thats what imma do this afternoon
Is it time for Victory Fanfare yet? Is it the start of Hell Firemage's start to true famedom? :)
If it is, I will be insanely happy 😊
@@Hellfirem4geGood luck with it man :D
Love listening to interviews like this and super huge kudos to you for getting the interview and to iskall for being willing to sit down and talk in depth about the pack like this.
These interviews allow us regular players the chance to understand the direction and communicate with the devs in a way, and it really helps to understand when changes are made (which is something a lot of dev teams/companies have forgotten the past few years).
Wow, you are really good at interviewing. Loved every second of it
Thank you! It's not hard when you're actually having fun 😄
Man you are a better interviewer than i thought
I think I'll take that as a compliment? 😊
WOOOO
hell is back!!
time to rant my opinions!
my biggest problem with showing vh to my friends is simply:
objectives aren't the most clear if they will teleport you out when u finish, or if you have to do smth else
(for instance, elixir i don't really keep track of where i start. Brazier i have to, but i didn't know that when i started)
Additionally, maybe add some quests to help explain some mods, especially vault specific ones / explaining why backpacks / loot belts are good.
On a different note:
I think VH has its difficulty scaling done right. I love the "difficulty slider" in this specific case. The biggest improvement from vh 2nd is that I can set it per player. I love extremely hard difficulty, so i turned up my personal difficulty while when i introduced my friend that is brand new to mc, i could set their difficulty to "piece_of_cake" cause it they weren't good at the game and that really made the experience more enjoyable for both me and my friend.
Reputation was confusing:
with the divine paradox they should've made it so you have to have gotten a reputation point as a pre-req. (REMEMBER, PEOPLE DON'T LIKE READING)
Crafting:
I didn't find any issue with the crafting. in earlygame whenever i hit a new tier of vault impicits/modifiers i will craft a new set of armor to get the new buffs before I join a new more buffed vault
Hell yeah
Dude! Congrats :)
Thanks 😄
Awesome interview, you were fantastic! The back and forth about the game was great. Looking forward to future interviews to learn about different modpacks, and more hellfiremage content 😁
Thank you! I love it when people are passionate about what they talk about, it makes much better content 😁
I think it would be cool if Eternals Strength Relied on a Offhand Slot, where you would have to nerf the player by removing the perks of an offhand to power eternals. I don't know if that would be enough to nerf the player as Iskall says though.
Yeah I rhink the same, eternals are crazy strong in their current form
I think for the crafting maybe increasing XP allot, but maybe increase cost as you craft better gear. Scrappy gear is cheap but leveling will allow the craft of common for more resources and XP, and so on
It's certainly an interesting take 😊 it would be interesting if repairing and crafting fed into each other a bit more too and then you could level by repairing stuff which would help early game progression
@@Hellfirem4ge That is a cool way to help the progression out. I do think it may not have a strong impact early though. In my, very limited compared to you, experience I get better higher level gear early on way before needing to repair.
how do you turn on that thing in the bottom right where it tells you which items you pick up?
Ooh I'm not actually sure, it comes up by default for me in the latest version
@@Hellfirem4ge interesting it didn’t just work for me I am also in the latest version?
Maybe check accessibility > vault hunters options. It might be in there
@@Hellfirem4ge still haven't found it
Gg, hell, this was fun!
Also, super stoked to binge VH streams!!!
Spoilers!
Maybe turn Eternals into a player-centered time limited aura ability with a long recharge and cost? So it hovers around them and follows them, like the god charms.
The players can customize the aura to fit their needs, whether it is periodic damage to nearby mobs (or a thorns-like retaliation), extra movement speed, etc.
Most of the current Eternal's abilities would translate well into an aura but you could introduce anything you think may be a fun or unique effect into it.
In fact, maybe something fun would be an expertise that "Summons Divinity" instead, which allows you to summon a god-related eternal, giving bonuses based on your affinity.
I would love it if you could summon god affinity stuff, that could be an absolute blast!
how do you see the cd ability above the hotbar?
Its in the accessibility settings > vault hunters options
id love to see the jewel system migrated to tools instead of RNG/focus
Like a red jewel that when applied to a tool gives ornate affinity but when applied to a vault weapon, gives +% damage.
Crafting gear is OK, but the control is what, imo, makes tools the best crafting system in VH3.
It's a good idea but I don't want more jewel spam 😅
Is there a way to play without needing a server for multiplayer?
Not on multiplayer I don't believe but you can play solo locally
Could someone help bring it to their attention that Mana Shield: Retribution is not working correctly? I have reported it twice but seems to be getting ignored.
When you trigger the AOE, the main target of your attack does not take your main attack damage (eg: your weapon damage is ignored).
So if you did 150 damage normally, and have 5 damage stored in the retribution pool, they end up only taking 5 damage while the surrounding mobs take 155.
Meaning 1V1 vs poison, wither, or faster hitting mobs is impossible to overcome without dropping your mana shield.
If you raise it on their discord, they will take a note of it, I know they have a list of current bugs etc
If you do a gearless run with level eight storm arrow, that's storm arrows going to do nothing cus you will have no AP unless you put points in intelligence but still, you won't be able to kill a Champion or tank I don't even think you'll be able to clear up POI
I'll be honest, I think it was more of a hyperbolic statement, but it would still be fun to see someone try 😉
If only we got a date 😅
Who says we didn't.... 👀
Add more sword transmogs pretty please mr.iskall85
I only have 1 thing that bothers me if you die in a vault around lvl 60~ you are paying like 180 vault gold thats soooo much gold at that level
Oh yeah for sure but that does incentivise trying to get soulbound on a bunch of your armour, and hopefully we'll see a lot more gold flowing at that level after the catalyst rework
This is Vault Cast... but with Hellfirem4ge instead of HellfirePvP haha :]
Gotta keep the hellfire name going
So, uh, when is the 3rd edition final vault dropping?
Haha I doubt it will tbh, at least not any time soon 😅
@Hellfirem4ge yup... I adore iskalls designs, but I really want to have a final vault to look forward to. So once I have everything I need I will still have the one last thing to do... Kill the Herald.
@@greywolf9783 yeah I had an absolute blast running the final vault so I do miss it a lot
@Hellfirem4ge yea, the weird thing for me, though, is I have only ever played 3rd edition, so I'm just waiting, but wanting to see it show up, sadly though is I've only ever reached lvl 15 at highest
It is cool that you can do these things in a group but there shouldn't be a disincentive to want to play alone. I for one rather play alone and don't like to be forced to play with others. It is nice to play with others some time but not be forced.
Wait iskall answers your tweets? 😂
Aren't they called Xs now or something? 😅
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did you hear? they changed cake vaults!
They're a lot of fun! 😊
@Hellfirem4ge lol, unfortunately, i wouldn't know my server is doing a competition that involves the old ones, so we can't update until everyone has ran it.
Hey guys, I’m looking for people to play Vault hunters with and this is the last thing I can think of to find people. Anyone in the same boat?
Best thing to do is to join the official VH discord, there's a bunch of people on servers there 😊
Iskall is such a gigachad for saying skill issue in regards to single player balance 😂 To be fair though, minecraft as a game, I think is a lot better as a multiplayer game. Having a place I can go shopping has made singleplayer minecraft hard in the same way that vault hunters has made vanilla minecraft hard.
I'm convinced he said it to get a reaction 😅
"Scavenger hunts is absolutely a skill issue"
I take this as a personal offence!
Same here 😅
with scavenger its like: of i need to find 12 ripped pages... finding 12 ripped p and not haveing anything else found.... because droprate is BS why not make the items that you complete be:
automaticly put too sumission and then finish to exit like lodestone...
in my eyes scaveneger even on level 50 with 86% rarity still gives you little to no fun.....
i gave up on playing scaenger because you only complete it 10%of the times because of bs droprate and no quantity does not make diffrance
going into scav be like: - well looks like its not a fun run, its only item collection them... ores... chests objectives and keepat least 4 minuts to track back to spawn.... what a waste oft time in my eyes