1967 Pontiac GTO vs 1969 Chevrolet Chevelle Super Sport | STOCK DRAG RACE
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1969 Chevy Chevelle SS396 drag racing 1967 Pontiac GTO. Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race. Factory Stock Drag Race.
First car is a 1969 Chevrolet Chevelle. The other a 1967 Pontiac GTO. The GTO has a H.O. 400 V8, while the Chevelle has a L78 396. The L78 was rated 375 horsepower, and the H.O. was rated 360 horsepower. Both cars have 4-speed manual transmissions. Rear gearing in the GTO is 3.90, and in the Chevelle 4.56. The Chevelle weighs 3798 with driver, and the GTO is 3720.
Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race (PSMCDR). FAST Factory Appearing Stock Tire factory stock. Super Car Drag Race.
Remember, both cars participate in the Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race series, so please check out their website: www.psmcdr.com
Also make sure you find them out on Facebook.
The rules for PSMCDR are listed below:
For 1955 to 1979 musclecars built in United States and Canadian assembly plants with a minimum warranty of 12 months and 12,000 miles.
Any car running faster than 11.50 will be disqualified and will not have a qualifying time recorded.
Any convertible running faster than 13.50 will be disqualified and will not have a qualifying time recorded.
Casting numbers must be correct for the year and horsepower claimed including intake manifold, heads, and exhaust manifolds. Blocks do not have to be "numbers matching," but they must be the correct displacement. Overbores up to .070" are allowed. Stock cranks only.
All Engines - compression ratio 1.5 extra points allowed over advertised.
The camshaft must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed for the type of lifter (hydraulic or solid). Roller cams NOT allowed.
The valve train must be factory stock for the year, make, and horsepower claimed.
The ignition system must be stock, including the distributor, cap, coil, and wires. Points may be replaced with any electronic conversion that fits under the stock distributor cap.
The carburetor must be correct for the year, make, and horsepower claimed. Jetting and metering changes are permitted. THE CHOKE ASSEMBLY MUST BE IN PLACE AND FUNCTIONAL!
Cast-iron exhaust manifolds are mandatory and must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed. Internal modifications to the exhaust manifolds are NOT allowed. Under no circumstances will headers be allowed, including those cars that came with headers delivered in the trunk. Pipes must be routed as they were originally for the year, make, model, and engine combination. Mufflers must be stock looking in design, that is, oval in shape. No glasspacks or straight pipes allowed unless installed as original equipment. Maximum muffler inlet and outlet size is 2.5 inches. X & H pipes allowed.
The radiator must be correct for the year, make, model, and horsepower claimed. No lightweight, aluminum radiators allowed.
The camshaft must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed for the type of lifter (hydraulic or solid). Roller cams NOT allowed. Duration at .050" lobe lift must be within 1% of factory specs. Lift at the valve must be within 2% of factory specs. Maximum stall limited to 2200 rpm.
The transmission must be correct for year, make, model and engine of the car. 3-speed manuals may be upgraded to the correct 4-speed if originally available.
The rear axle must be of the same manufacturer as the car. Any gear ratio is allowed.
Reproduction tires or radial tires only.You are allowed to run tires one size over stock.
Factory wheels only.
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I'm a Pontiac guy but those big heads on that L78 with the 4.56 gears and that mechanical cam, you know it's going to win. It's about what I expected, close through the 60 foot with the GTO maybe having a minute advantage but once the Chevelle starts breathing, well that's why it almost ran 110mph. And a LeMans Blue 69 Chevelle is one of the best looking cars ever made.
That 408 lift cam in the GTO is no match for a 520 lift solid lift on the other end.
Those 4.56 rear gears in the Chevelle does wonders for it. Man you can hear the tires chirping in every gear. GTO was great too.
Agree. Put that 4.56 in the GTO and the outcome would have been different
The gearing makes the difference. I went from 4.56 to 3.50. Time was a second slower.
If I had to live with one of them everyday, I'll take the GTO. It ran solidly in the mid to low 13's without slicks. It just looks better to me in every respect than the chevelle
Yeah 67 GTO is my favorite here.
Agreed
All the tire scratching after shifting brought a smile to my face. Reminds me of my youth.
Chirpin every shift- love it.
L-78 is actually 425 HP. He also had 4:56 gears. The GTO did pretty good
With those trap speeds vs ET, the Chevelle was definitely having traction issues and STILL getting it done.
The higher compression engine plus the higher rear end gears are always going to win. Great to see these cars move like that these days.
I’d still take the GTO even though it lost, especially from the styling and 400 h.o.
I'm with you. GTO for my garage.
If you knew engines, you'd realize that the 400 wouldn't last long. It had a cast crank. Only the 389 and the 421 had steel cranks. The rods were know to break too.
@@rickuyeda4818 You are talking about racing the engines. Regular use on the street they did just fine. If you were going to raise a Pontiac you would go with an aftermarket block, Forge steel crank et cetera. They race these cars now with up to 3300 horsepower. Several pontiac engine builders around the country. Considering the company has been gone as long as it has, these businesses are doing better than they ever have. I like the brand and you won't change my mind.
No way
@@rickuyeda4818 Do a bit more reading. All Pontiac street engines including the 389 and 421 had cast cranks. Only the 389 & 421 Super Duty engines from the early 60s and the over the counter RAV engines had forged cranks. Even the 73/74 455 Super Duty engines had a cast crank even though they had a bit more work done on them.
400 H.O. engines were great for street light racing because of the early torque. Worked good too with Highway gearing. A lot of GTO Forum guys like 3.23 gears with them.
Also for manual transmission comparissons. Pontiac used Hurst shifters stock.
Not saying that a tuned up L78 with headers isn’t a fire breathing monster. Because it is
I raced a 396 Chevelle once back in about '88. I was in a '74 Lemans with a 400. It wasn't pretty. From my perspective it looked like an 18-wheeler hit that Chevelle from behind. I mean his car jumped that violently when the driver decided he'd rather look at my Lemans in his rear-view mirror instead of his side window. And that's just what he did. Looked at my car WAAAY back in his rear-view mirror. But my car looked a lot better than his did. :-D
I love all the muscle cars but the 67 GTO is by far my favorite. I'm a mopar guy but the GTO is just plain Bad Ass!
Are you feeling alright? No pervy jokes,no toilet humor,i hope you feel better! Lol! Thanks again!
Two of my favorites👍just like when I was a youngster just like now I would love to have either one of those car's. Great video
That '69 LeMans Blue Chevelle is similar to one that I once owned, except mine had the Parchment (white) interior: white seats, door panels, and headliner with black dash, steering wheel, console, and carpet. Keeping the valves lashed on a regular basis got to be a royal PITA, but when it was fully tuned with fresh plugs & points, she ran like a raped date. also, I only had 3:73 rear gears in mine, not the 4:11's. Never took it down the strip, so I don't know what she would've clocked. 😀👍🇺🇸
The difference in these races seemed to be the rear end in the chevelle. But both recorded impressive 1/4 mile times and both are beautiful cars from the muscle car Era. I've always been a Mopar guy but always appreciated an outstanding muscle car no matter what brand. The GTO and the Chevelle are definitely two of the best!
Goodday C & Z,
What a way to start a Sunday.
2 Classic GM Muscle Cars.
Evenly matched both have beautiful lines.
Great to see 3 races & pushed all the way through as it should.
Did that Chevelle bring back memories of yours.
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On paper, the Chevelle should take it…..now to watch…..Edit - Nice runs by both cars and both are stunning! Thank you, as always!
2, nice running cars. Would love to have either one but that 4.56 rear end was tearing up that GTO. Great racing!! Glad they went 3!
I don't know who you are, but I really like the way you come up with so much info on all the cars. That makes it even more interesting then just watching all the races. I wonder where you are from because you have a lot of races at Mid Michigan Motor Plex. I live in Michigan and would love to go there, but it's a long drive from Romeo. Keep it up Mr. You do a really great job, I enjoy each and everyone. And thank you.
Beautiful cars. I just love GTO's of any year. Really Pontiac in general but hey I like Chevelle's too. That one is sharp and sure did run good too. Would liked to have seen at least 4.10 gear in the GTO to even that up a bit. Thanks for the great vid!!
Yeah I feel if the GTO had 4.56 it just might would have beaten the Chevy Chevelle. I love both cars.
I’m guessing the Chevelle is lighter?
Either of these machines would turn my head.
Awesome , Thanks C&Z
I had a Buick GS 400 same motor I was 19 and thought it was the fastest car in my town and was right for a while.
Same motor? As a Pontiac? you do know they are completely different engines right??
I had a 69 chevelle 396 350 hp THM 400 silver..sure do miss that car..i like the GTO as well..good styling too..
My dad had a 67 GTO with the 400HO. HE sold it to buy our first home
I had a fetish for the 67 GTO in my younger years but then the Camaro arrives.
Beautiful cars
both some nice ass cars good vid!!
Take the L78, they will rev up high and take advantage of 4:56 rear gears
The 4.56 gears in the Chevy makes all the difference in the world
Would be interesting to see the goat with 456 gears as well. I’m leaning towards the goat.
My 69 SS396 nearly identical to this one, except for the white side stripe and the white stripe tires. Mine was all blue and white letter tires, and Turbo Hydramatic 400 trans.
It may have looked like it but unless it had the L78 and 4.56 gears it didn't run like it the 325/396 350/396 were good engines but the L78 was a different beast with higher compression and a solid mechanical camshaft and being only 396 cubic inches it liked being revved in the upper rpm range more so than other larger big blocks and liked 4.10-4.56 gearing
Chevelle chirped 'em every gear!! Like a big pair swingin' hahaa
Good race, here.
How did, in round 2, the chevelle go faster with longer time than in first round?
Set of slicks and hello 12's
I have to go with the 69 Chevelle SS as that was my first car.
Both car's were decent , 👌.
Not even a little competition.
That last race was a humdinger
Every gear broke the tires loose!
Both are stout cars. I am surprised by the goat though. Strong runner.
With the same ratio this race will be not the same. My father had a 65 gto 4speed not tri, but all electric, glass, seat, radio antenna, it was an import model because we are French in 🇫🇷
I'd rather have the GTO
Those white walls. 😳
Come on thats not a fair drag ! THE G.TO. should have been a Ram Air car . with the bigger cam stiffer valve springs an swirl polish valves to put the top chevy 396 up against the middle pontiac 400.
Yep, the Ram Air would have made for a more even matchup...and the Ram Air had 4.33 standard gearing.
I agree. Pontiac ram air ll or ram air iv would have been a more equal match, Pontiacs top 400 vs Chevy's top 396.
They are both beautiful cars and we all take either one
love GTO/ MORE beautiful
Chevelle all day homie
GTO all class and looks
C'mon man, we want to see more E.V.'s. Sniff, Sniff.
Both cars are great. GM made the best cars during the 60s
Do we gat a Flatulence filled April 1st special?
Not a chance. C&Z totally wussed out.
Yep, L78 for the win.. Now where is that 340 Deamon that was running in the 12's the other week? A little "more- power "to put that chevy by the levy and push him in!
You do realize, these cars are stock. The 340 Demon ran in the FAST class. Factory Appearing Stock Tires, they allow engine modifications as long as the engines look stock. They extrude hone the intake and exhaust manifolds, increase cubic inches. There's a Corvette in FAST that looks stock but runs a 540 BBC. In this class, automatics rule. A couple of cars run 9's.
@@rickuyeda4818 have you read the rules. Pure stock drag racing allows for. 07 overbore ; 1.5 compression ratio increase and who is going to know if any cleaning up of the ports has happened.
Pretty sure that Demon was in pure stock also.
The GTO is a much more beautiful car IMO.
Chevelle....all day, every day!
Ya, and the 396 went a whole 1/4 mile without losing the bottom end. That’s always a good day.
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