1967 Pontiac GTO vs 1972 Chevy Chevelle SS 454 | Pure Stock Drag Race
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- 1967 Pontiac GTO drag racing 1972 Chevrolet Chevelle Super Sport 454. pure stock muscle car drag race. factory stock drag race.
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Thumbs up if you miss Pontiac so much
I have an 80 trans am in the garage!!
@@ripvanrevs Nice, classic cars are bomb
The lady who killed Pontiac should be prosecuted for murder of the king of muscle cars
Pontiac made the most beautifully styled cars for Years. Can't believe they're gone.
Agreed.....
delorean did that.
Both are great but I really love the 67 GTO. It's my favorite year of the GOAT.
the cam in the 454 was something other than what chevy installed in 1973. anybody else notice that thumping idle?
great vid✌️
Especially running 13:40s
sounded and ran more like an LS6 454 than the low compression LS5
Rules in the class are probably as long as mods don't show, like still a stock gm cam from an early car, different pistons, but still have to run stock manifolds and air cleaner. It's fair enough, he isn't running mid 12s like the hemi/dual carb cars.
@@ryurc3033 engine internals are beyond inspection i suppose. which is cool, but how do they run those ETs on stock(appearing)tires?
very impressive. my LS6 chevelle ran 12.20 with headers & 7” cheater slicks. still went up in smoke. ✌️
Since it wasn't a 73, than I hope the cam isn't from a 73. Not sure what the rules are but by ETs most of these cars have had some extra love in the motor. The ETs are almost always faster than the test drives back when they were new. I'm pretty sure they can run any cam that came in any version of the motor that's in the car. And compression can go up at least a point from stock. So dude can put the LS6 or even LS7 (wasn't there a race only or boat LS7 or am I making shit up in my head?) Cam in the engine as well as bumping up the compression and I'm sure if they shaved the heads a tiny bit that would bump up the compression as well. Legally they can make that motor a lot closer to an LS6 specs rather than the low comp LS4 or what ever engine code it was from the factory with. This race was settled by the drivers not the cars.
Man that's drag racing!! The GTO's slight gearing advantage, plus great reaction times and auto trans won the day for It!! You don't get much closer to evenly matched though!
The GTO has a his/hers shifter. They're literally the best of both manual and auto. Slide shifter over to his, and it can come outta hole as auto/no clutch/spin and driver shifts when he chooses with no clutch. Wish they were still like this today.....paddles on steering wheel r like toys.
And a ‘72 SS was a DOG. A 71 was a noted dog, in the day- compared to the stock 396/350 found inn’70. Nobody wanted one.
@@MrBluzhound yep. Dang federal gov imposed that EPA crap on the Pinnacle of muscle cars...70' was that Pinnacle. Starting n 71, engine compression, insurance companies, EPA junk killed hp, and continued during so from then on, until recent years.....now hp is back with a vengeance......with paddle flappers substituting for a 4-speed Hurst shifter and driving skills.
@@MrBluzhound 71-72 cars were definitely neutered as far as horsepower but they're great looking cars,I've seen this Chevelle in person & it is absolutely amazing
First ever c&z Pontiac clean sweep? Buying a lottery ticket.. NOW!
Love this channel. Thanks for sticking with it!
I fail to see even any humorous logic suggesting your gambling luck has improved because of this video.
A new 67 GTO was the first car to beat my 64 GTO back in the day , he couldn't pull away but i couldn't take him off the line . Had three people in my car as well.
Beaten by a slightly newer version of the car. Huh.
@@LITTLE1994 He had more horses and a better transmission.
I had a '64, and got beat by a '65. They were all nice until low-compression 1971.
3 people inside your 64? How many people were in the 67?
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That color scheme and just the car itself is gorgeous on that Pontiac.
Looks K code Aqua.
Matching painted rims top it off, too. Beautiful car.
Great matchup...very entertaining! Great drivers in both. Gotta love those '64-'67 Goats. The Chevy had 55 cubes on the Poncho, but was saddled with that low compression 454. Thanks C&Z! 👍
I had a 69 Plymouth Sport satellite with a 383 and ran 13 flat at 110 miles an hour every day all day long
bought a 454 just like that in 1973 2100$ 10k miles still have the 5 wheels off of it i liked that car
Love that fact that you are keeping it classy my friend @0:11 seconds and @1:25... It's nice to have the highbrow humor back again!
LET'S START WITH THE COMMENTARY .....LISTEN HOW "NICELY DONE" THE ENTIRE PRESENTATION IS
THROW IN SOME INTERESTING FACTS MIXED WITH A LITTLE BIT OF HUMOR AND THE WHOLE PRESENTATION IS
PERFECT ..... NOW LEAVE IT JUST LIKE THIS !!!!!!!!
BOTH CARS WERE WORTHY RIDES !!!!!! BOTH
HAD SUPRISING PERFORMANCE AND THEY WERE SO EVENLY MATCHED !!!!!!
THIS ENTIRE PRESENTATION WAS PERFECT AND VERY ENJOYABLE .........
THANK YOU !!!!!!!
The shifter in the GTO is a hurst dual gate that came with the turbo 400 as an option.
Wasn’t that a his and hers and Oldsmobile used that to .
Love the gto and he's from my home state! Also the view from the burnout box was cool!
Keep these videos coming young man. Excellent!!
Love the new burnout inserts. Keep it comin!! 💨💨
Thank you for an entertaining video!
Awesome , Thanks C&Z 😊
The match-ups lately have been crazy close, great racing! Both drivers were very consistent. Thank you for keeping these coming - greatly enjoy the racing and humor. ~ Chuck
Closer than I thought it would be.
By the numbers the goat shoulda kicked the chevelle below the belt. But the smog era 454w/4spd really held it's own, had a nice lope at idle as well.
That Chevelle was strong, and would have done well in the 60s muscle car era?
@@dustylover100 the chevelles from the 60's did well then and most of them had 100 ponies and better engine/trans packages available. Along with all the manufacturers. The 60's were the peak of muscle car performance. Until the modern era began dropping et's into the 12 & 13sec range again.
In 72 there wasn't a bunch of smog equipment yet. Mostly the problem was the lower compression and a less aggressive curve in the distributer and a less aggressive cam. Good gas was becoming a problem for street cars.
My guess, (this is just my theory anyway) most of the top guys in f.a.s.t racing are allowed modifications, as long as it doesn't show, so a cam that's close to stock, better pistons, tuning upgrades under distributor cap, carb tuning, gasket match the intake manifold, hone the exhaust manifolds. As long as it still appears stock. I know one big block Camaro that ran 10 psi in the polyglass tires to try to make them hook up, would spin the wheel a quarter turn in the tire on a launch.
The Chevelle had a quicker ET and faster trap speed. It all boiled down to faster reaction times of the GTO driver. Awesome race! 😎
That is one beautiful HO it is fast but for me it's the SS I've always loved super sport chevelle's ❤ clean and mean. Great video love you're comments 👍
Grew up in the 60’s and I was a Pontiac guy, my favorite all time was/is the 70 1/2 Trans Am. But looking at these cars running on the track shows me how far things have come. My 2022 Tesla Model Y Performance runs the 1/4 in 11.79 seconds, and my wife could do that.
Nice new footage at start of race when lining up 👍👍
For Pontiac The three letters were the abbreviation for Gran Turismo Omologato ('grand tourer homologated') meaning certified for racing in the grand tourer class. When used on the order sheet for a Tempest, GTO stood for Grand Tempest Option.
I like the goat it was my first car
My first car would have been a red 67 GTO, but, my brother told my dad(cop) it was a hot rod. Heart broken 😞 😢
For about 14 years, 1970 was the hottest year for American cars. Fastest car I was ever in was a 1970 Olds 442, with a 455 , Turbo 400 auto, & FULL - RACE, reverse - detent shift kit. I was 21, driver was Very smart motorhead, and it was actually a bit frightening. He took me for a 20 minute ride, & manually shifted gears with a BANG. I kept being shoved back in my seat. WTF ?! The torque was unbelievable. Then, in '71, they started lowering compressions down from 11 & 12 to 8.5. Then, in '72, they went to S.A.E. net ratings, which confused things. What a mess. Then came cats & smog pumps. Sick & demoralizing. Then, 1984. Friend bought a new 5.0 Mustang with 5-speed O.D. clutch. Not too shabby! 😄😄 'Nuff said.
What kinda P O S could you get for 27000 today? New car I mean, it would have to be the most base model subcompact. We are being screwed, things really were better in the day.
I had same thoughts as I watch these and see inflation adjusted prices. Nice unique cars that function. In some respects not comparable from feature perspective...Do I need a touchscreen? Do I want car to drive, brake, etc. For me...nope
Dion Rau Removing the gold standard ruined the dollar .
@@brianmanners8910 I get that, but my point is you couldn't get a four cylinder mustang or Camaro or anything like that for twenty seven thousand and change, maybe a little compact Kia base model subcompact nowadays.
Yeah, except the new cars today are much safer, handle and stop much better, get much better gas mileage, are much better equipped, and don’t pollute the air like cars from the muscle car era.
And all of the recalls for factory flub ups. We can't build a baby carrier now.
I never knew the 67 HO got the 068 cam. Man that brings a 400 alive with good compression and a 455 as well with about any compression. You can’t fail with the 068. Compared to the 067 cam my 400 with #48 heads gained from off idle to redline which moved from about 5000 rpm to 6000 rpm. Should shift 2nd at around 5500 and drive about 5000. It would shoot to 6000 rpm quicker than my 94 LT1 M6 though which surprised me
I've been passenger of a '65 GTO but with a 455 tri power instead of the 389 that car was a blast
Back in the 80’s my cousin had a GTO like that, but it had a his and her transmission. Cool car!
So does this one, it's just the Shifter, Not the whole Transmission, it was made by Hurst, Called the Dual Gate Shifter. It was Often called the His/Hers Shifter.
Great race. Great cars.
Such amazing works of art, both cars!
The Chevy just needed a driver that had better reaction time as he had the quicker ET .
If that Chevelle had a pure stock cam, I'm Batman.
You got it pontiac !
Dude you missed the best part of the car. The Hurst dual gate... his and hers shifter which I'm pretty sure means Hurst built turbo 400
Hell yea man
Weird, I remember these cars running 14.6- 15.0 1/4 miles...ha
Cars and Zebras, love your videos and your commentating. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for these videos, can't see enough.
Evenly matched cars only a couple hundreds of a second difference
You were kind of turning me on with that "Grand Turismo Omologato" talk, LMAO!!! Seriously a super closely matched race. It seems to have come down to the best reaction time. Two beauties, thank you C&Z. BTW, where at the zebra videos at?
Nice show looking forward to more .👍
Love the humor!😂
Excellent match up !
Great races. The GTO must have picked up in the middle of the last race because the Chevelle was ahead off the start and the Chevelle was quicker with more m.p.h. Possibly lost some in the shifts. Nice cars.
Those 3:73's are perfect for cruising and occasionally a race or two
You need an overdrive with 3.73/3.91 for high speed cruising.. My 3.73 ''Stag turned 3300 rpm, in 4th, 5th gear it turned 2600, I had a Getrang 5 speed close ratio tranny and got around 20 mpg at 80 mph, stock 5.0 motor.
@@crankychris2 ,I appreciate that bro
Poncho!
I'd take both cars but the Chevelle wins by looks & rarity,only 1,513 built w/LS5/M22 in 72
you keep these gto wins comming and i may have to sub to this channel...lol cool vid !!!! GO G.T.O.
Goodday C & Z,
Great video as per usual.
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Wow! Just wow!
Pretty impressive the Chevelle ran right with the Goat . Considering by 1972 the EPA had choked a couple hundred horses out of the 454 .
Nice race.
That was great I want more!....
My car was the same color but mine had a tauch on the hood
*tach
Cool cars. Thanks
72 pure stock a real slug lucky to go 15.5 ! And I love chevelle s ! Won’t take much to go 13.0
This outcome broke my heart😢😮
I’m a sucker to keep watching, just to see the cars and remember the smell, but come on. 50+ years later they’re doing 1-1.5 seconds better. Pure…something.
Nice GM cars back when they knew what they were doing even though the Chevelle didn't crank out as much. Fart noises are funny. I been married for 13 years. Could give a damn less if she's sitting beside me and hears that. I just laugh. Who cares about being self conscious?🤣 Grab a beer and get over it 🍺
My wife watches these videos explicitly for the fart noises and smarmy humor
"How dare you fart before me!" - "Sorry babe, I didn't know it was your turn!"
@@davidbattaglia2336 She's definitely a Keeper!
And this H.O. be nasty keep it up man
GTO FTW Baby!! PMD To The Front !!
I love them GTOs!
hmm, same day as your Hornet Challenger race. you describe a hole shot great. i'd say they upped the c.r. in that 'velle
Love those Pontiacs!
Those 3.90 gears made a big difference, Goats are usually low to mid 14 second cars stock
Do they let clones compete? Say I build a 72 454 SS Chevelle out of a 307 auto malibu. If it was date coded correctly, and still adhere to the stock appearing ruleset, would they let it compete? How strict on date coding, like if I used an 80s truck 454 as a base?
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Ho for ahort hahahahha i love you man , you made my friggin day hahahhaha
Before seeing the outcome I vote for the GTO
That gearing is what got the pontiac the win.
The Chevelle won the 2nd race, screw their silly ass "better reaction time", the lowest et at the finish line determines the winner in my book and that was the Chevelle, and since this is my computer then my opinion is the only one that matters.
You made me laugh on that one!
Both cars are heavily ‘massaged’ to turn those numbers in the 1/4
I had a 67 GTO the only American car that gave me a run for my money was a Boss 302 I never raced a corvette
Probably the best looking Chevelle EVER, except for my 65 SS that I stuffed a corvette 427 into with the 2spd powerglide!!!
If that Chevelle was a 69,70 or 71 with a LS6 the Goat would have lost! 72s were anemic!
Why didn't they match year to year 67 to 67?
Love pontiac gto
GTO = SD best engines - Super Duty !
Obviously , the Chevelle driver liked being in the hole 🕳 until everyone left 🙄 🤔🤷
Even Steven!!!!!
Chevelle was faster. Holeshot winner.
VIC HUBBARD, Speed & Marine! FTW! [@4m52s]
Had it been 1970 Chevelle... then things would have been different of course!
Gto wouldn't have beaten a 70 Chevelle SS 454 ,more horses in 70 than 72 🤔
This Chevelle was faster as well. Driver lost the races at holeshot.
In our day 13.46 was quicker than 13.48. We need help fugering this one out.
Apparently you never went to a dragstrip in your day. First to cross the finish line wins, not quickest ET. Rules have been the same since the sport began.
How does.48 beat .46?
I’m asking the same thing.. The Chevelle had a faster quarter-mile time.. that literally means it wins. Oh and a higher top speed..
If that Chevelle was a 1970 model it would definitely be a totally different story...
I had a 66 Plymouth Satellite with a 361 ci 3 speed automatic,
2 barrel .
My friend had a 69 Plymouth Roadrunner 383 4 barrel 4 speed.
Believe it or not my Satellite was faster .
You can take two identical cars and one will always be faster .
Never did figure out why I could beat him .
But I loved it .
many engines had very tight piston/cylinder wall clearance which killed high rpm horsepower. a loose 383 will rev like no tomorrow.
I hate that Pontiac is no more,but I'm glad I own one and a poncho 400 engine. Pontiac Power! Nothing against Chevy. All gm are awesome.
That GTO probably had a 389 from the factory and not the 400 like you was saying !!!
Last year for 389 was 66. 400 after that
Poor Chevelle , not only was it beat 3 times the GTO is better looking too .😎👍🏻
Nope. Even if they're not that fast, the 71/72 Chevelles are the best looking muscles ever (just my opinion)
@@alexanderhampp646771/72 Chevelle best looking Muscle cars ever .😂😂😂 Get your eyes checked .😂🤪😂😂
@@brianmanners8910 at least, to me it is. The grille (especially the shape of the front in top view), the single headlights, the shape of the roof, the rear bumper with the round lights. The overall proportions of the car are just right.
71 Cuda is nearly as nice.
The driver won the race - cr helped
They quit making cars by '72, dude.
NOTHING against this great race. But the engine to power ratio aren't even close imo. So I love old GTOs but I'm a Chevy guy for racing born and bred
Fartastically tight racing. Blue Mustang in the background of last vid. Cougar in this vid. Do they not allow cars that run 10-second times in stock shape to race here? Too many GM whiners?