The FC-31 Gyrfalcon: China’s “Other” Stealth Fighter
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Gee, China making a blatant knockoff of USA products? Say it isn't so!
Good question. The F 35 failed and is a white elephant project, unable to prove it's airworthiness now the Americans are brewing another funny story. In most cases it cannot be relied upon leave along diving in the sea!!!
1:36 origins and development
7:29 white elephant to the production line
12:35 specs, operation, and future
The only important timestamp is when the sponsor ends.
FC31 has had at least 3 different design iterations
The latest variant J35 is significantly different from the original variant
I always find it funny how people (especially chinese and russian keyboard warriors and nationalists) will mock the US for "wasteful" things like making different variants of the same jet like it's some stupid idea when China and Russia will either do the same or at least attempt to do the same. It's the same with aircraft carriers: Chinese nationalists and media talk about how aircraft carriers are obsolete in the age of hypersonic missiles and suicide drones... yet China is desperately copying American aircraft carrier tech and Russia keeps attempting to build even a fraction of the carriers of the US.
Forgot to mention that China has a new 6th generation fighter jet
@@reis1185 nope
Didn't see this message
@@reis1185- No, they don't.
Hello Simon, a bit of trivia. The J-31 is not going to compete with J-20 no more. J-20 is predominantly very long range fighter while J-31 is going to enter as carrier fighter for upcoming Type 003 and 4 carrier.
But some source said they will copie f35 and make 2 more version. One for airforce and another navy with vertical
Yeah no. In no way will it be stealthy and as effective as the USA. Because…. They did not develop it themselves. China copied it like everything else.
@@Rosawww We don't need a VTOL version of J-35 because our marine is a part of navy, unlike USMC which is forbidden to operate their own carriers with catapult or EMALS by US Navy. It's a political thing. Incoming Type 076 amphibious assault ship will equip same EMALS like Type 003 Fujian carrier, which means it can carry normal J-35/J-15 like other conventional / nuclear carriers.
@@bjm9923 wouldnt it make sense to deploy j35 all across china tho?
@@Rosawww We will build the 4th and 5th aircraft carriers in the next 5 years, but the J20 will not be able to operate on aircraft carriers, so we will also need to build a lot of small stealth fighters to carry out ocean-going operations for them.
My question is can J31 dive into the ocean and become a submarine like F35
😂😂😂😂
Lol
In that case, Lockheed Martin is still way ahead!
😂😂bro stole my comment
F35s are so stealthy, one disappeared in Japan and never was found.
It's no longer FC-31, later J-31, and now redesignated as J-35 for their CATOBAR carriers.
J35
Crazy how shit changes in the span of a few days
Actually fc31 is designated for land takeoff jet which plaaf still have no plans once they buy it it's official name change into j31...
While j35 is officially designated name for carrier based version.. Coz plan buy for its carrier...
@@johndawson6057 Least Chaotic Military Equipment Procurement lol.
Is the J-35 designation confirmed by the Chinese authority?
J10-J20，J11-J31，J15-J35， considering Chengdu and Shenyang are of their own classifications
Awesome never looked at it like that before
At the beginning, the J-20 was competing with the J-14, which was also a twin-engined heavy fighter.
I wonder what J14 look like.
No j14 fighter
I doubt the ceiling is 60,000m, but 60,000ft.
60,000m is ~197,000ft, so roughly 100,000ft above the SR71's service ceiling
60000m would makes it almost a space craft
16000 he said.
13:13 He says 16,000M. The graphic shows 17,000M.
1:40 - Chapter 1 - Origins & development
2:55 - Mid roll ads
4:10 - Back to the video
7:35 - Chapter 2 - White elephant to the production line
12:40 - Chapter 3 - Specs , operation & future
Quick correction it will fly along side of the J 15 much like the F 35 flies along side the FA 18
Thanks Simon and co !
Imagine trying to tell an enemy force that they can't steal information from you.
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But if it comes with consequences how's china's semiconductor market right now t
They’re trying to cope
@@josephsmith6777 Fine, the entire industry is going through a recession worldwide rn so about as bad as everyone else.
If I wanted to be able to detect a stealth aircraft, having several terabytes of data on it is going to be helpful.
its worth bearing in mind that detecting and doing something are very different things. Stealth planes are not invisible, but they are very hard to convince a weapons lock radar to fire at it.
@@rabidmidgeecosse1336 - "Fire at that aircraft!"
"That's not an aircraft, that's clearly a hummingbird moving at... about Mach 2. Silly human."
*Boom*
All this progress in aviaton technology really makes you think when will the first fighter aircraft capable of space travel arrive. I'd say next century.
Funny to think we will survive until the next century. I say it's time for the monkeys to have a go at this.
Way too far on the future, the air force has already been working on a space plane for awhile now. We'll have a functional model in 20 years, TOPS.
Ok clown!
Given that the MiG-29 Fulcrum a 4th gen fighter was capable of edge of space capabilities at a 22km altitude limit. There no reason to not believe that unmanned platforms and other classified platforms already can.
@@4lyfMotorhead we will, stop being pessimistic lmao, nuclear war will simply never happen, world leaders are too smart and careful to blow the planet up, other matters like what? Global warming? Nah, if that was an actual threat world governments would have definitely fixed it already, they know it isn't a big big threat, another threat like what? Asteroids? Highly unlikely for one big one to hit earth, even if one of them was coming to earth by 30-40 years space technology about deflecting asteroids would have advanced enough, NASA is researching it right now, we are definitely surviving
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This makes China the only country in the world to have a 5th Generation stealth fighter AND free health care. Absolutely fenomenal 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
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Free health care at the cost of ALL OF YOUR OTHER FREEDOMS......what a deal.
@@deadchewiethis is such a huge misconception. Go spend some time in China and you’d see. You might even feel more free there than you do here.
@@wind-stone I might, but I doubt it.
@@deadchewiefreedom to loot without consequences like in LA. No thanks. I'd rather have the Chinese freedom to know that I can be out alone late at night and nothing will happen to me.
2 days ago Pakistan Air Chief announced soon induction of "FC-31 Chinese fifth-generation aircraft"
Pakistan will become the first nation in the region to have a fifth-gen fighter!
Pakistan Zindabad ❤
I have watched your videos for a few years now, I don't know when it happened or what made you choose to do so many focusing on military equipment/ history but thank fuck you did. I love your style and delivery and it suits the subject matter for people of a certain age ! Thank you from Canada !
Do other research as well. He often makes little mistakes.
How come you and some others can swear in the comments and not have CZcams delete it.
@@harryparsons2750 you can say fuck and nothing happens
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Sheath as in sheathing your sword lol
China- “hey bro I didn’t study last night and there is a test coming let me copy?
Now do Turkish TF-X, Korean KF-X and India's AMCA. 🤣🤣
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Simon whistler: "I dont know this stuff at all and I need to put a vid out, I'll just copy 3 year old videos and noone will know"
@@mightym Mightym - "I believe these videos are low effort and Simon doesn't know what he's talking about but I still waste my time watching them."
Great video! I would like to see a video on the Costa Concordia. I’m not sure if this is necessarily a mega project or more of an infographics thing but I would love to see it!
Check out "internet historian" video about the Costa Concordia... I promise you will not regret it, it's extremely funny
@@oliverwells8011 Even better than that, the Asmongold reacts to that video, double the fun.
Excellent episode. Can you do a video about the Water way from Lake Superior to the Atlantic Ocean. I’d appreciate it.
I could listen to this man talk about the specifics of rising dough
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Both junk
@@penskepc2374 That remains to be seen...
@@eaphantom9214 not really
@PenskePC23 Sure, keep telling yourself that, but the majority of us think otherwise
Not only China either, since the USA wouldn't export the F22
We've taken matters into our own hands to even up the play ground 😅
17:35 well this did age well . As Pakistan is now inducting this jet ' You analysis prove to be right !
Just where is this video about su57 you keep talking about, I can't find it. Someone please give me the link
It looks like they took the overall airodynamic / stealthy shape and engine configuration of the F22, and combined this with the payload / hardpoint design of the F35. It's litterally a combo of the two.... at least on the outside.
You obviously don't know anything about planes to even say such a silly comment.
Engines, softwares, computers, aerodynamic, designs, skin of both planes are completely different.
Even the landing gears are different.
Missions of both planes are also completely different.
One is going to be a carrier multirole warplanes. The other is an air superiority warplanes.
*Sheesh....chill out*
Guns around the world takes designs from each other too
@@danwelterweight4137no actually it's same as f35... The fc31 is like f35a for while j3ť is carrier based like f35... For pure Is dominance it's hard to see any airforce want any such jets.. The long range bvrs can fill such gaps..
@@tiberianexcalibur could say the same about text and published writings, but this one is plagiarism.
The number of wheels under (and carried with, in flight) a plane is to do with load spreading and controllability under blowout conditions. There are plenty Russian planes with dual front wheels that never have and were never thought to see a carrier. It was for rough terrain takeoff and according to the Russians themselves, a single front wheel could not safely carry the load of the plane. It's the reason semi-tractor trailers (18 wheelers) and the mega loads they move where they have a gazillion tires.....its for safety margin and load spreading. In airplanes, there are many dual nose gear planes that will NEVER see a carrier. There are even planes that have not (publicly acknowledged at least) landed on a carrier that have tail hooks- the F-15 for example, because she's a big girl and lost brakes and such mean a controllability problem. I mention this because even a tail hook doesn't guarantee carrier-bound intentions. Dual nose gears are found all over the world on land-locked planes and weight is usually THE determining factor.
But in this case, the carrier connection makes more sense as the gross weight and especially the weight of the fore area are low, certainly similar to the F-35.
Simon, you've done a video on the F-35 but not on the F-22 Raptor? Any chance on getting one?
ikr i’ve been hoping for that video since this channel started, he mentioned having already made it on the F-15 (i think) video, but that came out a while ago:(
Pakistan airforce has seen your video and now they’re officially purchasing FC31 😂
😂😂
Great video again. By the way, the underwear commercial is hilarious.
Hats off to the Chinese for being very good hackers 😂
And for paying traitors handsomely no doubt
Yaaawn. Old news. Go home son.
@@jazondelta4976 I know gramps take your meds
Yup and I'm sure all the lookalikes from the other countries are original.
A video about the Su57 would be lovely
He keeps referring to a video about it but I've never been able to find it.
There's one person at Whistleboy Broadcast Network who knows what there is and isn't a video about, and they didn't get to go through this or the R&D Deep Dive videos before they were released
Describing abouts jets suddenly selling Boxers is very artistic
*MOAR WAR!* Great, just what we need.
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what about Manscaped? does he need to trip his lawn in front of you?? 🤣🤣🤣
I think I’m pretty good at pattern recognition, but from certain perspectives it would take me some practice to correctly identify which is which.
That IFF better work flawlessly, because visual identification isn’t going to mean much.
You need to check a FC-31 variant J-35, which is under testing and will be equipped to their carries.
If you can get enough research and stuff to talk about this then there is definitely enough info to talk about the AT802u also known as the OA1K a continuation of the A-1 sky raider. It’s the air forces first tail dragger since vietnam and will provide CAS to spec ops
Tail dragger???
I love every video you made, but this one I love the most.
Am I crazy? I cannot find a Megaprojects video on the SU-57 despite Simon mentioning there being one at 16:22
I think it's less bootleg and more limited by the dimensions of remaining stealth. Especially when trying to get the smallest radar signature possible will lead you all to end up at similar dimensions. Like if I draw an elephant and you draw an elephant, chances are we'd be accused of copying each other. It's one thing to build a plane and it ends up similar. It's another If you're trying to achieve stealth fighter status. A dimension that is much more limiting so as to send back a radar signature
It’s like guns. The functions are the same and guns copy from one another all the time
so you can eyeball a aircraft R.D.S by just look at a picture ? amazing😂😂😂😂😂
@@jetli740 I made it as simple as possible for even the layman to understand as I could. Did it go over your head still? Must’ve.
@@evilraskal5323 yeah edit your comment
make perfect sense 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@jetli740 wtf you on about? I edited when I originally posted you self inflating fool. My original post is still the same. You’re just trying to attribute nothing to something hoping to inflate your sense of worth. Unfortunately, if you need to tell yourself something happened when it didn’t, you probably need real special help… Or spend some time training your memory or grasp of the king’s English. Maybe 🤔 your google translate isn’t translating the data as a whole and you got a partial response. 🤷♀️ Who knows. Maybe you just skimmed through and missed certain parts and just noticed it now.
But I still believe it is just as I stated, must’ve gone well over your head and kicked you up the backside like a jet ✈️ li kick 🦵 would do. 🤪
So this makes china officially 30+ years behind the US if this is a F22 knock off?
@@mill2712 thanks to Russia invading Ukraine, they will be.
Yep, our next one is already underway too. Good luck taking Taiwan!
Best way to get more sales for the F-35 is for China to field a true fifth gen fighter. I have my doubts about the stealth capabilities and the ability for China to maintain stealth capable aircraft. But I'm sure the US will be more than willing to hype up that boogeyman anyway.
@@kcl5038
How to screw Sweden and France over in one simple step.
Yep, because stealing information is not the same as developing from scratch yourself
The prototype that lost to the J20 prototype is not J31. That prototype also uses two AL31F level engines, while J31 uses median level thrust engines.
I can’t find this supposed su57 video for some reason
almost every single new 5th gen looks like the 35 and 22
Su-57 and J-20 have some distinctive features - larger wing area and canards, respectively, for example.
Your comment show you have zero understand how radar signal reflect of object.
all stealth aircraft all have similar if not the same angle shape, there is so much you can do to make it different if you have to follow the basic angle
“basic angle”to maximise stealth doesn’t mean every 5th gen. looks the same,stealth still have a lot of refinements before it’s a perfect weapon and “ basic shape” is not one of them,6th gen. totally look different in shape and more stealthier yet far more rounder shape.
@@georgesikimeti2184 5th gen use “basic angle” to maximise stealth radar reflection away from radar, 6 Gen yes it bit more rounder but it still follow the basic angle with round off and it deploy much more advance radar absortion material.
@@jetli740yeah more absorption radar material,not necessarily the shape.,f117 looks nothing like f35 or f22!and russia new 5th gen. is again vastly different in basic shape and yet reflect radar,again agree with you in basic shape scenario but not carbon copy shape format(j20 vs f22 or f35)
Can we talk about your audio volume? I'm not sure why this happens, but in the car listing to other long form videos and volume is fine. I can barely hear Simon when he comes on even with volume all the way up. Until he starts shilling for a sponsor, that is. That I can hear! And the CZcams commercials, those are fine.
Big fan of you sir from Kashmir,
The thumbnail look on the jet looks like a mix of a F22 RAPTOR mixed with a Mig25 Foxbat and F35 Lighting
The FC-31 is basically the Chinese bootleg version of the F-35.
Saying it’s a bootleg is like saying most gun manufacturers are a bootleg of each other. While most guns look the same, the internal components are different. Copying is a compliment in itself.
>Bootleg F-35
>Isn't even an attempt at VTOL
Looks like China didn't bother to make the same mistake then I guess.
@@tiberianexcalibur Copying is like cheating through a test. Ignoring R&D makes you less innovative and competitive. In the long run, you will cripple yourself.
@@nicholaslee5473 what made you think the Chinese ignored R&D? You still need R&D to build these equipment. If high tech aliens arrived on earth, you would want to copy their technology too.
It seems its also important to develop the it-security.
Pakistan knows when to ally with someone when it needs discounted top planes. First the f16 in 80s and now this in possibly next 6-7 years.
Pakistan is opting for ws19 engine version instead of ws 13 one.
This will also force india to make a move for 5th gen fighters.
They will most likely go to ruasia as us f35 will have conditions and not mention a kill switch.
Pakistan whole fleet will be Chinese aircrafts. J10c, jf17 and now j31/j35. Not bad.
This is one of the coolest looking fighter jets created.
... maybe because it looks like a mix between the F-35 and the F-22.
2 different groups of spies.
Asian designs always have something very special in them, including aircrafts and ships. People say that the J-35 is a copy, sure, learn no one better than your enemy, but if you look closely, you can see a lot of elegant lines on the design, making it distinctive from its western rivals.
@@generalgabrielsatoriugh yeah no. Evening China makes is a bootleg copy of Russia or American jets.
@@michaelpelzek8882 don't forget France or Israel. The copy from everybody. Whatever they think useful.
@@danielch6662 We take some from Israel it goes vice versa. What bothers me is France because there a flaky 'ally" at best.
Will there be a 4/5 gen fighter combo? A wolf pack tactic in the sky? Sure that's a flight of F 15EX but you didn't detect the 2 flights of NGAD to either side.
Pretty sure the NGAD is supposed to be 6th gen
If you’re referring to china, they’re doing that right now, with the J-20 leading the way and the J-16/10 mopping the floor after it
Thats the current strategy for f35s operating alongside 4th gen fighters. Essentially acting as stealthy target detection and acquisition for the 4th gen fighters further back who can then fire from ranges that they cant be targeted themselves.
Stealth aircraft firing missiles become very targetable while doing so, so this strategy allows them to stay untargetable for as long as possible.
Its worth noting that even stealth aircraft can be seen on certain types of radar, but where they excel is in being much harder to actually target/get a lock on to.
i think drones will take over F15ex role very soon
Mate, I’ve got my Sheath undies. Where do I send the photo to support the channel?
Some of the most highly classified information and of course China is able to get their hands on some.
Could you also cover the Northrop F-20 Tigershark fighter that was never entered into production?
is a failure, end of story
I can't seem to find the video about the SU-57 Simon referencess multiple times in this video. Can someone help me?
Ive never been able to find the video on the felon that he keeps referring to in his videos on fighter jets. Anyone have a link?
What it has under the hood is always a big question. From what I have heard from an experienced combat pilot, is that you can get a bit of an idea from what the pilot did at the air show. Her particularly noted the amount of black smoke you could see from the jet engines. He commented that it looks like they may not have the fuel-air mixture quite right and the smoke is especially notable in maneuvers where the pilot is going to suddenly push the engines to higher output for the maneuver.
Obviously, this does not mean they have not solved the issue or have more advanced engines now. But as I understand it, the engine issue was also a reason the J-20s have performance issues.
The fc31/j35 will be fitted with brand new ws19 engines. The demos were fitted with the Russian rd93 which is Well known to spit out black smokes.
@@Jkl62200 Yes and hopefully that will improve the aircraft's performance so it can actually take off with full loads of fuel and munitions.
The F-35 has around 1,000 operational craft now? Has also actually been in combat sorites and has proven itself. But it seems a lot of people want to comment on how the chinese aircraft is equal to or superior to the F-35/F-22.
Yet all we hear is it will eventually get new engines. It's kind of like those who claimed the SU-57 would be an F-22 killer. The SU-57 is a pretty plane and certainly capable But some of it's flaws are clearly visible in regards to its stealth performance. Meanwhile people are already claiming the Checkmate will be better than Western aircraft.
Yet these claims people make are based on what the specs are on paper or in the case of this Chinese Aircraft on future engines it has not been received yet and is unproven.
I am not saying that the Russian and Chinese Aircraft will not be capable and deadly. They may even be a match for Western aircraft. I just find it funny that people see the Gyrfalcon perform at an airshow and read the specs on paper already stating the aircraft is better.
When those jets are deployed for 18 months and gone on 1,300 combat sorties
then they can compare. (The U.S. Air Force deployed the F-35 to the U.S. Central Command area of responsibility for 18 consecutive months and the jet delivered operationally: 42 jets, 1,100 airmen, 1,319 sorties, 352 total weapons dropped and 3,774 25MM rounds expended.)
The Chinese and Russian jets look pretty in airshows. But let's not compare them to actually proven combat vehicles. I mean where has the SU-57 been in Ukraine?
That all being said. You are right the Chinese aircraft are supposed to get new Chinese-made engines instead of using those older Russian ones. So hopefully that actually helps the planes perform as intended AND they get the mixture right so you do not see those telltale signs of black smoke.
I personally think the J-20 looks like a BUS. One of the uglier jets I have seen and people have commented that it is not as maneuverable. The Fc-31 is actually a visually stunning plane and what it says it can do on paper is impressive.
I get why people cannot help but compare. Americans are already talking about the NGAD and how it will dominate the skies and make all the advancements China and Russia have made obsolete. But until they have the NGAD operational and performing to what we have been told, It's a far cry from a match for a Fokker DR 1 Tri-plane, let alone anything else.
@@onegemini420 a few corrections. It is the J15 that cannot take off with full load off a ski jump carrier, not the upcoming fc31/j35 (even with the Rd93) . Also, NONE of the 5th Gen aircraft today is 'battle tested', including the f35 which itself is plagued with all kinds of issues till today. I agree that we should not pass judgment on planes that are not in service yet but it is also not a good idea for the US to hype up it's gears. That's also based on nothing. Overall, you seem quite dismissive and salty about any non-American planes. Underestimating your adversary is a fatal sin in war.
@@Jkl62200 As I understood the J-20 had issues taking off with full load also. But I thank you for the correction.
However, you are incorrect the F-35 has been combat tested. As I stated in my comment, 42 F-35s to US Central command have gone on over 1300 combat sorties expending ordinance on targets.
Also did you not read my comment? Salty and Dismissive? I SPECIFICALLY praised them as advanced and capable fighters. I just stated that they are not up to par with F-22s and F-35s. The issues plaguing the F-35 have been mostly rectified and it will be on the Block 4 iteration. I NEVER stated the F-35 was perfect or did not have issues.
I even stated that the FC-31 and the SU-57 were beautiful aircraft. The J-20 I think is ugly, but I did not take away from its abilities. I simply stated as many experts have pointed out that the J-20 seems less maneuverable than the other "peer" aircraft it would be facing. That can be said of the F-35 as well. While they CAN dogfight, these aircraft would prefer not to, especially up against something like an SU-57 or F-22.
I also said that when China gets its homemade engines instead of using the Russian ones, hopefully, that will correct a lot of the performance issues of its newest fighters. Again actually AGREEING with you. that those engines should give a substantial upgrade to Chinese aircraft to perform better.
As for the SU-57, I also gave credit. But Russia seems to have exaggerated its capabilities. It has exposed screws and obvious airframe design issues that would mean it is not as stealthy as Western "peer" aircraft.
I also stated that the F-35 has had around 1,000 produced aircraft sold to multiple nations. With actual combat sorties under its belt. China has around 150 J-20s? So they have almost as many J-20s as the US has F-22s. Just because I believe the F-22 is a far superior aircraft to the J-20 does not mean the J-20 is not capable, but China hardly has it in numbers, there are questions on exactly how stealthy it is as well. Most analysts believe the J-20 is low observable with a smaller RCS than the 4th gen and older. Expert assessments of the J-20’s radar cross-section place it somewhere between .08 and .3 square meters. This places it well ahead of Russia’s Su-57 in a head-on comparison (RCS varied depending on the angle from which the aircraft is observed), but well behind both of America’s stealth fighters.
Again though I never put down the capabilities I simply stated that they are still not up to par with US stealth aircraft as far as RCS. I pointed out some issues with the engines which you acknowledged was because they were using the older Russian engines. So again not salty or dismissive. I even said when they get the new engines it hopefully will solve those issues.
The only thing I stated was that those praising the FC-31 as being just as good or better than the peers it is up against is that it as of yet is unproven and not built in large numbers. I even stated Americans do the same when they talk about the NGAD. It looks great on paper or as an experimental craft. But until it is made in numbers with a history to judge them by, anyone saying they are the equivalent of the F-22 or F-35 is speculating. So how am I salty or dismissive?
I do not know why you are having an attitude calling me salty and dismissive. I was having a civil conversation. I also am secure enough to understand I do not know everything and can make mistakes. As I confused the issue with taking off at full capacity between the J-20 and J-15. Though I thought they both had those issues because of the older engines. As I said I know China has new engines of their own not Russian-made, that should solve their engine issues.
A word of advice. These are comments and maybe you are reading too much into them. But before you call someone salty and dismissive, you might want to consider that we are all just sharing thoughts. There was no need for you to make those faulty assumptions.
@@onegemini420Let’s hope China and Russia fail to keep up otherwise these arguments are mute. It somewhat irritates me how our defense contractors are cannot prevent cyberattacks from stealing technology that has obviously benefited adversaries of the US. Makes me glad the US has the 2nd amendment as a fail safe and deterrent if we lose our military edge.
It looks better than Chengdu J20
love the design, mix of F22 Raptor and Ace Combat Nosferatu
Gotta love those extremely fancy claims.
Who let the data be stolen?
Which federal prison are they in?
What branch of government did they work for too?
Stolen via Tiktok. We Americans should all quit Tiktok
Pentagon
On a completely different note: have you looked into launching spacecraft with a large rail gun? Gerard O’NEIL proposed use such on the moon to get cheaper materials to lunar orbit, but it could certainly be used for other purposes…..space exploration without showy displays of extravagant fuel use
Exactly what kind of material would you use to construct a space vehicle to be launched into space by a rail gun? Can you imagine the G loading a rail gun of that size would put onto the craft? The current problem with rail guns is that they fire projectiles with such great speed that they melt their barrels after just a few shots. Now imagine trying to launch any type of space craft which would have to be unmanned into space at such a rate of acceleration. Not to mention how strong the cargo would have to be to withstand such a force during launch. Not to mention how large the rail gun would have to be and how much electrical power it would take to make it work lol. Don't think this would be possible or doable any time in the near future.
You have 3 choices for launching from earth -
1) Launch Rockets - showy & expensive, but effective;
2) High-flying, Hypersonic aircraft (Mach 10 at 100 km) & Skyhooks;
3) 1000 km long Launch Loop that would allow you to get into orbit without exceeding 3 g, which is necessary for human spaceflight. Isaac Arther describes just such a structure in a 5 year old video “Launch Loops” on SFIA.
Sorry no link - CZcams won’t let me post them, even when they allow others to do it.
When are you gonna tell us how things went with the bamboo underwear??
Make an abrams tank megaproject
The amount of people here that has NO idea about how China’s aviation industry and air force works is amazing.
Feel free to enlighten us wise sage of YT.
@@Bagledog5000 wouldn't it be easier to do actual research before spreading nonsense? Lmfao.
@@Bagledog5000 he got the aircraft completely wrong, the set up is closer to rafale or F18 setup, other than F35 F22. might looks like F35/22. But the engine setup is more like duo F414, which means they will be in F18's class fighter.
@@Bagledog5000 To start off, contrary to some popular beliefs, China will never build something that will be completely useless that would end up as a headache for their armies (look at the LCA Tejas for the IAF). This was one of the reasons for why the FC-31 got the finger from the PLAAF (PLAN too but that’s important for later), because the J-20 already suffices their needs; They don’t want to expand their influence outwards (they can’t at that time anyway), so having one gen 5 to fend off all the other gen 5s around them (like Japan and South Korea’s F-35s) as well as have an advantage over the gen 4s is enough. In fact, that was one of the main design criterions of the J-20 as well: form a power equilibrium with dominant gen 5s, dominate over gen 4s. Aside from that, China’s aviation industry need to take care of their own army first before they sell planes abroad.
And when one stealth fighter was enough, why do you need another one? Not to mention the FC-31 is a mediumweight, which means a good discount on effective combat range as well as payload compared to the heavyweight J-20. It’ll also take away key resources that would have been better off if used for the J-20 instead, only for a fighter with the aforementioned shortcomings, as well as making logistic support hell (for example the FC-31 uses F404-sized engines while the entire Chinese air force at that time ran on AL-31s and WS-10s).
And second, about why the FC-31 even became a thing at all. Had it been China wanting to flex their “power” to the world, you’d expect them to dunk wads of cash for Shenyang’s FC-31, but of course they didn’t; FC-31 was privately funded. Why? Remember that the J-20 program was also born from a competition like the F-22, and Shenyang got the boot like Northrop with their YF-23. **The FC-31 materialized so that Shenyang won’t fall behind on technology knowhow.** They won’t be living off Flanker money forever, and they know that.
Although the FC-31 also got the boot from the air force, the time is upon them now. Shenyang persisted, iterating the FC-31’s design over and over, and they found a future for the FC-31: onboard the Type 003. In 2012, the idea that China would have catapult carriers would be a joke, but five years later… not so much. PLAN also knew they can’t live off of J-15s forever, and they needed something against F-35Cs. The J-20 wouldn’t be an option, because it’d be too big and its nature closer to a high speed fighter-interceptor won’t suit carrier ops. That’s when the FC-31 suddenly got the spotlight: it’s just the right size, has a proven design like that of the F-35, and has been iterated on enough to be a completely new plane compared to the og FC-31. That’s where it is now: the supposed J-35.
I hope this gave you a good insight on how things over there works. Have a good day
@@daniyardilimulati8420 you are right except did they solved their engine issues? I mean the J15 is using russian engines reverse engineered. Just like the J20. Also other stuff is mostly reverse engineered tech stolen from all around the world. Is this another paper mache like their budget tanks? I know they have the money, but in the early 2000's they weren't even able to produce anything flyworthy on their own. Now they say they compete with high and products... Sounds fishy especially since they can't get top tier silicon anymore. Also still the engine problems they still using russian non stealth tech and even that is a gen older than russias own, or they stole something useful?
YF-22
Probably has the stealth paint from the stealth Blackhawk helicopter it was sold
definitely stole f22/35 plans
They're just so incompetent though it almost doesn't matter
@@penskepc2374 Yeah, but never underestimate your enemy.
@@NinjaRunningWild yeah, but definitely make fun of them
@@penskepc2374 an incompetent country wouldn't be able to build advanced space stations, advanced quantum communication satellites, etc etc
So, your assumption is purely based on ignorance.
Your biggest downfall, will be underestimating the Chinese.
This will be the United States's biggest downfall.
F-35 is built on the Yak-141 blueprints, so...
I keep seeing the SU-57 video being mentioned but I seriously can't find it.
The J-31 is made in my hometown!❤❤❤
These new fighters are impressive, but only until the next generation of radar or search and track technologies show up en masse. Another good video thanks. Also "wearing sheaths right now." Back this with peer reviewed data or provide a case example please. (:
A lot of stupid people will compare the aircraft to the F35 and say they copied it. The reality is that you can only have one ideal geometry for stealth, geometry is 90% of what makes an aircraft stealthy, not the materials. So of course it looks similar, they are both designed to be stealthy and do the same job lol
Ya that’s complete BS. There are varies different shapes that can effectively reduce radar cross section and RAM definitely is a significant factor that affects radar return. A key design feature that is taken directly from the F-35 is the forward hinged canopy. Despite the engineering challenges and inefficiencies that come with that mechanism, the F-35 was designed with it because of the lift fan on the B variant. There’s no clear reason the J-31 would require it, which is why you see it’s removal in the more mature variants
They did not "copy" they simply stole the data....
@@factsoverfeelings1776 Oh no, you caught me, Batman
@@factsoverfeelings1776so what? What are u gonna do about it?
in Modern Warships FC-31 can be use to hunt Submarines
Looks like a mini F22
It’s basically guaranteed that the Chinese Navy will adopt it for its carrier based fifth generation fighter and after that it might get some exports
Talking about conceptual design similarities with the F35 kind of misses the point of industrial espionage: getting hold of all the test and technical data for radar tests and advanced engine design lets you build an entirely different aircraft with a huge leg up.
well you don't understand that this is not industrial espionage. it more hige tech line espionage. and most off that tech was coming from trading with west build it. when talking about tings that so default to make. just look at chernobyl or Kyshtym disaster. and talking about soveit spy and got old nazi nucler people with out bribing them.
I’m sure it gave them a nice head start. I would still question whether the J-20 or J-31 is anywhere near the equal of the F-35 or the F-22.
@@dongately2817probably not but they would definitely be cheaper to make and maintain just like all Chinese military tech made from US information. It would still also be a massive challenge to fight if they ever had to fight each other even if one is better
@dongately2817 The radar, electronic systems and weapons of the F-22 are quite backward, and there is not even a helmet-mounted display
@@XkMeng That's why the USAF wants to phase out the F-22. By fifth generation standards the F-22 isn't a fifth generation fighter.
The question is can they convert back from submarine to jet fighter?
Secretive nature of China’s R&D process made me LOL
why so? Shouldn't the second best in class hide it's dagger in pocket until absolutely necessary?
China has some impressive-looking fighters. I do wonder how much is a real advantage and how much is bluster.
Gee, China making a blatant knockoff of USA products? Say it isn't so!
One thing I'd argue is that the idea of a J-20 going up against an F-35 isn't the point. The J-20 isn't as capable individually as F-22 or F-35, but the Chinese are still flying aircraft like the J-7 and J-10. So J-20 is there for quantitive reasons too. It is operational and continued production ensures that the entire Chinese fighter force can be equipped with modern hardware. I would also imagine that the J-31 or derivates might be cheaper than the J-20 and fullfil a similar role to the J-20 as the F-16 did to the F-15, lighter weight, cheaper but modern multi-purpose aircraft.
As such, by 2030 or so, regardless of which Chinese fighter you'll encounter, it will be a modern design. And that is, I think, the advantage the PLA AF is going for.
@@tripod222 >"The J-20 isn't as capable individually as F-22 or F-35"
Based on what? Your gut feeling?
J20 has far larger range and it's missiles have around twice the range of F35, F22 and it's missiles.
J20 ferry range is 5500km. F22 is 3000km. F35 is 2200km.
J20's PL-15 missile estimated range of 200-300 km, PL-21 missile range is about 300km+
F35/F22 AIM-120 missile range is 160km.
J20 top speed is Mach 2.55. F22 top speed is Mach 2.2. F35 top speed is Mach 1.6.
J20 service ceiling is 60,000 ft. F22 service ceiling is 50,000 ft. F35 service ceiling is 50,000 ft.
J20 also has helmet mounted display to enable firing missiles at high off-boresight angle which the F22 does not have.
J20 has 360 degree sensor and radar detection. The F22 does not.
J20 will undergo more upgrades over time.
F22 avionics is 20 years old.
J20 is already more maneuverable than the J35 and that is before it's upcoming WS-15 thrust vectoring engine.
WS-15 engine has 181 KN thrust. F22's engine has 156 KN thrust.
J20 can supercruise. The F35 cannot sustain supercruise.
In summary the J20 has superior range, missiles, avionics, engine thrust, speed, service ceiling, sensors and radar detection to the F22.
In summary the J20 has superior range, missiles, speed, engine thrust and service ceiling to the F35. The comparison between it's avionics and sensors are unknown. However what has been reported is the the F35 had tons of bugs some of which have not been resolved and the F35 "Lightning II" has been restricted to NOT fly near lightning.
Have you ever wondered why the F22 is being retired early?
What metric did you use for your conclusion?
@@oot007 all good points, and I'm an interested lay person and don't claim to be the ultimate authority, this is just some friendly chat, so let's keep it that way.
Some of the points you mentioned aren't as clear-cut or decisive as one might believe. Take the higher range Chinese missles, which the US has acknowledged as such, but new AIM-260s are being developed as we speak because of that, and while I don't have statistical data on it, my gut feeling is that the American industrial complex can produce a superior AA missle than the Chinese - or any other military for that matter, they certainly spent enough money on it over the last 100 years.
Thrust vectoring as part of the defensive systems is of limit importance, see off-bore shooting and quality of modern AA missles. Never say never but doubtful that a higher turn capability is of much relevance, especially compared to other stuff such as ECM and ECCM. To a certain extent, this also applies to super-cruise capability.
Higher range true, as a pay-off for a much bigger airframe, which cannot be great for the RCS, no? And who knows what that does to the thrust-weight ratio.
Would be interesting to see who can get a weapon's grade lock on the other first, which is, it seems to me, the key factor in having the edge in a modern air-to-air engagement.
But of course there is a reason why much of the "soft" stuff, like avionics and sensor capabilities, are classified. But as one Air Force officer said after F-22 met J-20s in the South China sea, they are not worried about the J-20s.
And don't get me wrong here, I have no stake in this comparison, I'm just a military aviation enthusiast. But even with the data they "acquired" about F-22 and F-35, it is doubtful that the Chinese can research and produce equipment, from engines to missles, that are on the same level as US stuff developed at the same time. The PL-15 might be a better missile than the AIM-120. It's also decades younger. Same for the F-22. To use an analogy: sure, a T-55 is superior to an M4 Sherman, but that doesn't mean Soviet designs were better than American ones.
Having said that, I find it quite impressive, that the Chinese have been building up their military very thoughtfully over many decades. For example, they do have a fleet of enablers - tankers, AWACS, etc. - rather than pumping out only "prestige" objects like the J-20. Compare that to the problem of the US air tanker fleet at the moment. They also have "aggressor" squadrons. And the aforementioned Air Force officer mentioned how they were impressed with the PLA AF command and control, stuff that isn't normally considered in comments sections :)
So, IMHO, J-20 is not on the level of the F-35 technologically and hence tactically. Doesn't mean J-20 is a bad aircraft, it means it's an aircraft made by the country with the second biggest military budget in the world, compared to F-35, the aircraft developed by the country with the biggest military budget in the world and the most experienced and biggest military industrial complex in the world and access to the most advanced technology in the world.
@@tripod222 OMG are you and they guy above trying to kiil us with so much txt
i am having a stroke
point you may miss.
J20 never design to complete with f22 or f35, it design as a long range fighter to take out your awac. but dont underestimate it, it has very long range air to air missile and it can easily out run f35.
About FC31 looks like F35 because of the hacking...
FC31 is based on Shenyang's cancelled fighter development project that were gonna assume the serial number J-14 (mostly inspired by Mig 1.44), and the development project dates back to late 80s to early 90s, and cancelled in the early 2000s (before 04)... There were already leaked photo of a test build cockpit control panel of the cancelled J-14 project around 06, and the fighter outline on the testing screen shows mixed traits of current day J-10, J-20 and FC-31...
And JSF project hacking were date at 09...
That means Shenyang AC have to steal the data from 09 and time travel back to around 00, so they can use the data to develop FC31...
Why they even bother doing so if they can really time travel?
得了吧，没人会回复你的，他们只想相信他们想相信的
Interesting! Can you please post the source of this information?
**Far the Days Come - Letter Box** there, fixed
Please please please do a video on the AT-802u skywarden. It is a CAS crop duster for SOCOM and it’s awesome! It would be hilarious especially after all the 5th Gen talk
Every time he mentions the SU as a 5th gen it just makes me chuckle as it's 4.5 at best.
j35做为舰载机在fc31基础上升级了很多技术，j35在隐身性能上比j20更具优势，对标的是最新型号的f35
Sure haha
Basically, it's a hybrid copy of the F-22 and F-35 but the J-20 is more of a hybrid copy between the Mig 1.44 and the F-22. I bet they were probably thinking, "why not just copy the best fighters in the world (or what they presume to be the best) and just mix them all together to make the ultimate fighter?" Unfortunately for them however, that's not how reality works, lol. 😂
It's not only Tom Cruise that feels the need for speed.
Even Chairman Xi can't wait to get into the Danger Zone.
You meant Chairman Winnie the Pooh
@@super-kami-guru -50 social credits
@@Rizzle37 off to Gulag :/
If aliens ever try to take over our planet, at least we'll have a variety of different and constantly improving fighters to throw at them. I just hope we don't destroy ourselves first.
There will always be a group of nations that will betray the rest of the world for their own gain.
Lol
I don't think jet fighters are very useful against spaceships.
@@gautheuil6210 yep, I would just plink from space, why go dust it up in atmo
If a group can travel between stars. We'd be lucky to even know they were here before we were gone.
Learnt more about the fucking underwear than the plane
Nice Greek design on the underwear band
Interesting to see (re T.S. 13:49) the ac has (what I guess as) an external air cart start system (not engaged) providing air to the compressor, vice turbine for the engine(s). At first I thought this the fuel delivery hose but as the hose seems collapsed vice rigid, I don't think it's attached to a fuel point (plus, the delivery vehicle is small).
Not sure why they would elect to do so, as air induction on something as delicate as the engine compressor isn't the best idea. Mind, this could be simply air induction to a starter unit, which then engages a gearbox mechanism to the drive shaft and not the compressor after all. Interesting either way.
As an aside, the PLAAF not immediately adopting the FC-31 and yet it amazingly still having sufficient funds for continuous developmental improvements, is of course just another Ma-Jong play by China to keep the "West" guessing. This thing looks amazing and I suspect it will be in PLAAF inventory before we even know it happened. :)
'Xi can we have F35?'
'We have F35 at home'
F35 at home FC-31
2 food stamps awarded by J. Bden for your patriotic comment
@@aburetik4866 Do you still get a potato if you just copy and paste the same comment in every thread?
@@foilhat1138 because I work on behalf of J. Bden to send food stamps to millions of patriotic homeless Americans.
China has cute aircraft carriers. Bring it Winnie the Poo.😂
Was that after the f-22 design hack by China?
Hmm. No canards on this one. They're learning.
Probably, not
yes learning from stolen documents LOL
American 6th gen FA-XX fight jet, which is supposed to achieve "super-stealth", has canards on it. It looks quite like a copy of J20
@@aburetik4866 not really. FA-XX primary objective is not stealth anymore. Ngad airforce is
@@Gyyghhhhjjjkk 6th gen fighter not stealthy? You just make me laugh. Why does FA-XX copy J20?
The F-22 at home.
its more f-35ish
There’s too many kids in the comments that don’t actually keep up with me military aviation, saying bs they have no clue about
0:19 Eeeeeh, I mean we saw a much bigger leap in evolution during WWII and the 1950s tbh