Adventist Talk: What Catholics Want Adventists To Know
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- Catholic Apologist, Bryan Mercier, talks to Arthur and Teresa about how the Seventh-Day Adventist Church misunderstands, misquotes and promotes errors about the Catholic Church. Bryan explains why all the famous SDA quotes about the Catholic Church changing the Sabbath are wrong.
Thanks guys for the video glory to God Amen 💯%🙏
Thank you and please watch! the show premieres tonight at 5pm EST
“The Kingdom of heaven is like a treasure buried in a field, which a person finds and hides again.” Mt 13:44
As I was learning about RC, I was "missing" the type of sermons that required one to bring one's Bible to Church and follow along and take notes. ! was somewhat astounded NO ONE brought their Bibles to Mass. My Bro-in-Law then explained to me that the Mass was for Worshipping Our Lord Jesus Christ and being a part of something infinitely bigger than ourselves. Bible Studies were fine, and were scheduled during the week... A whole new perspective for me ~~~
Thank you for sharing what the catholics believe.
I posted this two days ago--AND NO replies!!! I wonder why.
Where in the Bible does Christ teach Sunday a Holy Day???
Where in the Bible does Christ teach Mary is a mediator/intercessor?
Where in the Bible did Christ change the Sabbath to Sunday???
Where in the Bible did Christ teach that Mary has gone/ will go to heaven?
Where in the Bibler did Christ teach that a mere man is head of His church???
Where in the Bible is the title "pope" mentioned???
Where in the Bible did Christ teach that those that die go right to heaven??
--Where in the Bible did Christ teach that mere men have to authority to change what God wrote???
Dear Mr. Osmer,
This is Teresa Beem. I have been away visiting my grandchildren for the last few days. I am not able to check comments but about once a week. Thank you for your questions. What I can do is answer as many as I can and then I will refer you to my book, "It's Okay NOT to be a Seventh-day Adventist." It is available at Amazon.com. There are many other books available that explain why Christians attend worship services on Sunday based on the Bible. In fact, I would encourage you to watch our newly released first episode "Discovering the Sabbath AFTER Adventism." It is a three-part discussion and I believe tomorrow (Friday 5pm EST,) part 2 will be released. IT'S FREE!! So there is no monetary reason for suggesting it.
These sources will give you a good start in understanding WHY, based on scriptures, some Christian worship on Sunday.
God bless you my friend,
Teresa Beem
@@arthurandteresabeem7142 quote---These sources will give you a good start in understanding WHY, based on scriptures, some Christian worship on Sunday. .. unquote
DID I ASK for references??Did I ask what book to read?? What video to watch?? I ECPECT you to REPLY FROM THE BIBLE!!!! I DO NOT CARE WHAT A BOOK SAYS., other that THE HOLY WORD of GOD!!!!
--There is ABSOLUTELY 100% NOT ONE verse that declares GOD CHANGES!!!
Nor is there one verse that declares thAT Jesus CHANGES!!! Which means the Sabbath CAN NOT CHANGE!!!!!
WHERE in the Bible does it say GOD RESTED on the FIRST DAY of the WEEK to make that day special???
WHERE in the Bible does it say GOD BLESSED the FIRST DAY of the WEEK to make that day special???
WHERE in the Bible does it say GOD SANCTIFIED the FIRST DAY of the WEEK to make that day special???
WHERE in the Bible does it say GOD NAMED the FIRST DAY of the WEEK to make that day special???
WHERE in the Bible does it say GOD DECLARED the FIRST DAY of the WEEK as HIS HOLY DAY to make that day special???
I AM ASKING YOU!!!!!
Quotes about Sabbath
---"As the Sabbath is of divine institution, so it is to be kept holy unto the Lord. Numerous have been the days appointed by men for religious services; but these are not binding, because of human institution. Not so the Sabbath. Hence the fourth commandment is ushered in with a peculiar emphasis-' Remember that thou keep holy the sabbath day.' ...The abolition of it would be unreasonable." -CHARLES BUCK, " A Theological Dictionary," r83O Edition, page 537.
----James says that we cannot keep some of the Commandments and not others (James 2: 10-12 and Deut, 4:2). On the basis that Messiah told us to keep the Father's Commandments if we are to enter into eternal life -Matt, 19:17, Luke 10:28. He says, "the Word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day" (Jn. 12:48). For this same reason, Paul says to keep the Commandment "without spot, blameless" (1 Tim. 6:13-14)
----"The people of Constantinople, and almost everywhere, assemble together on the Sabbath, as well as on the first day of the week, which custom is never observed at Rome or at Alexandria." -He as Sozomen, quoted in Ecclesiastical History, vii, 19, in A Select Library of Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, 2nd Series, Vol. 2, p. 390 [written soon after A.D. 415].
----"Down even to the fifth century the observance of the Jewish Sabbath was continued in the Christian church, but with a rigor and solemnity gradually diminishing until it was wholly discontinued." -Lyman Coleman, Ancient Christianity Exemplified, chap. 26, sec. 2, p. 527.
----"Contantine's [five Sunday Law] decrees marked the beginning of a long though intermittent series of imperial decrees in support of Sunday rest." -A History of the Councils of the Church, Vol. 2, p. 316.
----"It would be an error to attribute ['the sanctification of Sunday'] to a definite decision of the Apostles. There is no such decision mentioned the Apostolic documents [that is, the New Testament]." -Antoine Villien, A History of the Commandments of the Church, 1915, p. 23.
----"It must be confessed that there is no law in the New Testament concerning the first day." -McClintock and Strong, Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological and Ecclesiastical Literature, Vol. 9, p. 196.
"Modern Christians who talk of keeping Sunday as a 'holy' day, as in the still extant 'Blue Laws,' of colonial America, should know that as a 'holy' day of rest and cessation from labor and amusements Sunday was unknown to Jesus. .It formed no tenant [teaching] of the primitive Church and became 'sacred' only in the course of time. Outside the church its observance was legalized for the Roman Empire through a series of decrees starting with the famous one of Constantine in 321, an edict due to his political and social ideas." -w. w. Hyde, Paganism to Christianity in the Roman Empire, 1946, p. 257.
"It would be an error to attribute ['the sanctification of Sunday'] to a definite decision of the Apostles. There is no such decision mentioned the Apostolic documents [that is, the New Testament]." -Antoine Villien, A History of the Commandments of the Church, 1915, p. 23.
"It must be confessed that there is no law in the New Testament concerning the first day." -McClintock and Strong, Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological and Ecclesiastical Literature, Vol. 9, p. 196.
"Modern Christians who talk of keeping Sunday as a 'holy' day, as in the still extant 'Blue Laws,' of colonial America, should know that as a 'holy' day of rest and cessation from labor and amusements Sunday was unknown to Jesus. .It formed no tenant [teaching] of the primitive Church and became 'sacred' only in the course of time. Outside the church its observance was legalized for the Roman Empire through a series of decrees starting with the famous one of Constantine in 321, an edict due to his political and social ideas." -w. w. Hyde, Paganism to Christianity in the Roman Empire, 1946, p. 257.
"During this indefinite time a considerable amount of a sort of theokrasia seems to have gone on between the Christian cult and the almost equally popular and widely diffused Mithraic cult, and the cult of Serapis-Isis-Horus. From the former it would seem the Christians adopted Sunday as their chief day of worship instead of the Jewish Sabbath."-H. G. WELLS, "The Outline of History" (Newand Revised), page 543.
The [Catholic] Church took the pagan buckler of faith against the heathen. She took the pagan Roman Pantheon [the Roman], temple to all the gods, and made it sacred to all the martyrs; so it stands to this day. She took the pagan Sunday and made it the Christian Sunday. .The Sun was a foremost god with heathendom. Balder the beautiful: the White God, the old Scandinavians called him. The sun has worshipers at this very hour in Persia and other lands. .Hence the Church would seem to have said, 'Keep that old pagan name. It shall remain consecrated, sanctified.' And thus the pagan Sunday, dedicated to Balder, became the Christian Sunday, sacred to Jesus. The sun is a fitting emblem of Jesus. The Fathers often compared Jesus to the sun; as they compared Mary to the moon." -William L. Gildea, "Paschale Gaudium," in The Catholic World, p. 58, March 1894.
"The Church made a sacred day of Sunday, largely because it was the weekly festival of the sun; -for it was a definite Christian policy to take over the pagan festivals endeared to the people by tradition, and give them a Christian significance." -Authur Weigall, The Paganism in Our Christianity, 1928, p. 145.
"It is not strange that Sunday is almost universally observed when the Sacred Writings do not endorse it? Satan, the great counterfeiter, worked through the 'mystery of iniquity' to introduce a counterfeit Sabbath to take the place of the true Sabbath.
Sunday stands side by side with Ash Wednesday, Palm Sunday, Holy (or Maundy) Thursday, Good Friday, Easter Sunday, WhitSunday, Corpus Christi, Assumption Day, All Soul's Day, Christmas Day, and a host of other ecclesiastical feast days too numerous to mention. This array of Roman Catholic feasts and fast days are all man made. None of them bears the divine credentials of the Author of the Inspired Word." -M. E. Walsh.
About 300 years after the last book of the Bible was originally written, the changeover was made.
"Unquestionably the first law, either ecclesiastical or civil, by which the Sabbatical observance of that day is known to have been ordained, is the edict of Constantine, A.D. 321."- Chamber's Encyclopedia, article, "Sabbath."
"Until well into the second century [a hundred years after Christ] we do not find the slightest indication in our sources that early followers marked Sunday by any kind of abstention from work." -W .Rordorf, Sunday, p. 157.
"The early Christians had at first adopted the Jewish seven- day week with its numbered week days, but by the close of the third century A.D. this began to give way to the planetary week; and in the fourth and fifth centuries the pagan designations became generally accepted in the western half of Christendom. The use of the planetary names by Christians attests the growing influence of astrological speculations introduced by converts from paganism. ...During these same centuries the spread of Oriental solar worships, especially that of Mithra ( Persian sun worship) in the Roman world, had already led to the substitution by pagans of dies Solis for dies Saturni, as the first day of the planetary week. ... Thus gradually a pagan institution was ingrafted on Christianity ." -HUTTON
"The ancient Sabbath did remain and was observed by the Christians of the Eastern Church [in the area near Palestine] above three hundred years after our Saviour's death." -A Learned Treatise of the Sabbath, p. 77. WEBSTER, Ph.D., "Rest Days," pages 220,221.
Similarly the Constitution of the Holy Apostles (Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. 7, p. 413; c. 3rd century) states: Thou shalt observe the Sabbath, on account of Him who ceased from His work of creation, but ceased not from His work of providence: it is a rest for meditation of the law, not for idleness of the hands.
The Sabbatati of Europe were not an inconsiderable force. The Church established in Milan kept the Sabbath. It was the practice generally of the Eastern Churches; and some churches of the West ... For in the Church of Millaine [Milan]; ... "it seemes the Saturday was held in a farre esteeme ... Not that the Easterne Churches, or any of the rest which observed that day were inclined to Iudaisme [Judaism]; but that they came together on the Sabbath day, to worship Iesus [Jesus] Christ the Lord of the Sabbath " (Dr. Peter Heylyn History of the Sabbath, London 1636, Part 2, para. 5, pp. 73-74; original spelling retained).
Origen advocated Sabbath-keeping
James says that we cannot keep some of the Commandments and not others (James 2: 10-12 and Deut, 4:2). On the basis that Messiah told us to keep the Father's Commandments if we are to enter into eternal life -Matt, 19:17, Luke 10:28. He says, "the Word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day" (Jn. 12:48). For this same reason, Paul says to keep the Commandment "without spot, blameless" (1 Tim. 6:13-14)
Mr. Osmer,
The videos we produce answer all the question you have. We have spend years putting them together because so many people ask the exact same questions. Though we would love to have enough time to dialogue extensively with each person, we simply cannot. When you have exhausted the material and videos we. have spent so much time and money to make available for free, perhaps we can answer questions we have not yet answered via videos. I'm sorry if that frustrates you, but that is the best we can do. God bless you and please watch the videos. There you will find all the answers to your questions.
@@arthurandteresabeem7142 I DID NOT ask for a video to answer my questions!! I asked you!!!! If you refuse to answer them, that makes you NO better than all other Catholics!!!
Is this what you would do when someone that wants to convert to catholicism is to tell them to watch a video!!!
You see at 3:30 that SDA are liars. Yet, you refuse to reply to qustions. Which then means you refuse to obey Peter.
1 Peter 3:15-17 Amplified Bible (AMP)
Always be ready to give a defense to anyone who asks you to account for the hope and confident assurance [elicited by faith] that is within you, yet [do it] with gentleness and respect.
DEFEND your faith!!!!
-- Are these verses truth?
Exodus 20:3-17
3 you shall have no other gods before[a] me.
4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, 6 but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation[b] of those who love me and keep my commandments.
That true or false???
>>How about this ?:
Ex 20:8-11 8 Remember the sabbath day, and keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work. 10 But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work-you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and consecrated it.
---What bible are those quoted from???
New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition !! Do catholics keep either?? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!! Why Not???
THis one?
John 14:6 NIV
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
True or false???
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Mr. Osmer, I have answered these questions for on other channels, but you have always refused to accept them.
John 14:6 NIV -
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
So, when a religion teaches what contradicts what Jesus taught, is that religion the truth????
Dear Mr. Osmer,
I know that you are asking questions where the answer seems quite evident to you. But you came along 1900 plus years after the death of Christ. There were millions of sincere Christians for all those centuries who read scripture and came to the conclusion that they were following the truth in Catholicism. Today, the vast majority of Christians (non-Catholics included) that sincerely and with the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, do not read that verse as anything but backing up their system. We all believe that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. We all believe that OUR version of Christianity IS what Jesus taught.
When you throw out verses like that, all that happens in the mind of Christians is "amen!" We all believe that verse backs up our beliefs.
Great discussion,I'm learning alot
The Catechism of the Council of Trent, p 402 second revised edition says, "The Church of God has thought it well to transfer the celebration and observance of the Sabbath to Sunday!" And “Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her-she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is NO SCRIPTURAL AUTHORITY” - Stephen Keenan A Doctrinal Catechism p 174
A Catechism is just a teaching tool. There are official and non official catechisms. The Stephen Keenan is NOT an official one.
Why does everything have to be in Scripture? What makes Scripture valid to begin with? I would assume that one might answer that second question with, "Because it's the Word of God." Therefore, it is the Word of God that is authoritative, not just the Word of God contained in Scripture. Since Sacred Scripture notes that Jesus passed on his authority to his Apostles, they had the same authority to pass that authority on. Therefore, since the Church had the authority given by the Word of God himself, and Scripture tells us that he gave them his authority, then there is Word of God authority.
Please note: Scripture itself does not grant authority. The Word of God may/may not grant authority, such as the authority to determine what belongs in Sacred Scripture. You would need an infallible source to make that kind of declaration, a source outside of the Bible that has authority equal to (or greater than) the Bible. Otherwise, we might have an infallible book declared by a fallible source, which makes about as much sense as Caffeine-Free Mountain Dew.
Mitchell, let's take a closer look at the quote that you reproduced here. Let's break it down. There are two distinct parts: a reference to the Catechism of the Council of Trent, which says that the Church changed the Sabbath to Sunday. That is true, but you have to understand that the Catholic Church was founded by Jesus with the Apostles as the foundation and himself as the cornerstone. So when the Catholic Church says it changed the Sabbath, it means that the Apostles changed the Sabbath because they were the Church at its beginning.
The second part is Keenan's claim that their was no basis in Scripture for the change in the Sabbath. That was his personal opinion, and he was wrong because there is a scriptural basis for the change.
@@jimmu2008 Well, the problem is that the early church did not see Sunday as a "Sabbath" directly. As a whole, the early church no longer rested on Sabbath but they didn't have any command that Sunday be kept as a rest day because many of the early Christians were slaves and couldn't keep a rest day even if they wanted to. It was only recently that the Catholic Church, because of the modern way of living, began to keep Sunday as a rest day.
You will find local bishops throughout Church history making Sunday a rest day for his area, but that was no universal. Some popes considered Sunday a substitute for the Sabbath but other popes called anyone who says you can't work on Sunday the antichrist.
We have a non-uniform idea of Sunday being a holy, rest day in Church history.
The early Church was Jewish and if you look at Acts 1, you will see that they daily broke bread and worshipped together. Sunday was not an exclusive day of worship. Never was for Catholics.
It is very difficult for Catholics to understand just what Adventists understand about the Sabbath and often giving "Catholic" answers simply confuses the situation.
Christians have ALWAYS worshipped on Sunday, but the also had mass on other days of the week including Saturday.
@@arthurandteresabeem7142 Perhaps I was not careful enough. I don't mean that Sabbath was simply transferred to Sunday. I really don't think that a good way to look at it. I just mean that the quote is not proof that the Catholic Church changed the Sabbath some time after the Apostles on its own authority, and it's not proof that the change (however you want to put it) had no basis in Scripture.
Where in the Bible does Christ teach Sunday a Holy Day???
Where in the Bible does Christ teach Mary is a mediator/intercessor?
Where in the Bible did Christ change the Sabbath to Sunday???
Where in the Bible did Christ teach that Mary has gone/ will go to heaven?
Where in the Bibler did Christ teach that a mere man is head of His church???
Where in the Bible is the title "pope" mentioned???
Where in the Bible did Christ teach that those that die go right to heaven??
--Where in the Bible did Christ teach that mere men have to authority to change what God wrote???
Where in the Bible does Christ teach us to worship on Saturday?
Where in the Bible does Christ teach us to hold to the Sabbath. We are told to keep all 10 commandments in the New Testament EXCEPT the Sabbath.
Where in the Bible does Christ teach that we should go by the writings of Ellen G. White?
Where in the Bible does Christ teach that you can kill children through abortion as Adventists have always supported?
Where in the Bible does Christ teach that we should go only by the Bible?
You asked where the word pope is in the Bible. Where in the Bible is the word Bible mentioned? Or Ellen White? Or Seventh Day Adventist.
Where is Mary mentioned in heaven? Rev. 11:19-12:2
@@CatholicTruthOfficial quote---Where in the Bible does Christ teach us to worship on Saturday? ..unqoute
---John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you so that My joy may be in you, and your joy may be full.
----John 14:15 (NO EXCEPTIONS)
Jesus replied, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word. My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. ... If you keep My ... (NO EXCEPTIONS)
----What did Jesus mean when he said "keep my commandments"?
Here, He indicates that obedience to His commands is the primary sign of our love for Him. A person cannot claim to know Christ and hate other Christians (1 John 4:20). Nor can someone claim to know Christ while disregarding His teachings (1 John 2:4). In most earthly situations, this idea is non-controversial. (NO EXCEPTIONS)
-----James 2:10
Whoever breaks one commandment is guilty of breaking them all. ... For whoever keeps the whole Law but fails in one point is guilty of breaking all of it. (NO EXCEPTIONS)
------ Hebrews 4
New International Version
A Sabbath-Rest for the People of God
4 Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. 2 For we also have had the good news proclaimed to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because they did not share the faith of those who obeyed. 3 Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,
“So I declared on oath in my anger,
‘They shall never enter my rest.’”[
And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world. 4 For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “On the seventh day God rested from all his works.” 5 And again in the passage above he says, “They shall never enter my rest.” (because they did not share the faith of those who obeyed.)
----quote---Where in the Bible does Christ teach us to hold to the Sabbath. We are told to keep all 10 commandments in the New Testament EXCEPT the Sabbath...unquote
Read the above quotes.
---quote---Where in the Bible does Christ teach that we should go by the writings of Ellen G. White? .. unquote
Where in the Bible does Christ teach that we should go by the writings of a mere man? A man titled "Pope"?
---quote---Where in the Bible does Christ teach that you can kill children through abortion as Adventists have always supported? ..unquote
Some mainline Protestant denominations such as the Methodist Church, Episcopal Church (United States), United Church of Christ, Presbyterian Church (USA), and the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, among others, are more permissive of abortion. (And IT WAS NOT MY DECISION)
Are you condemning them???
----quote---Where in the Bible does Christ teach that we should go only by the Bible? .. unquote
IT IS those type of comments the PROVE your ignorance of scripture!!!
******Hebrews 4:12 Indeed, the word of God is living and effective, sharper than any two-edged sword, penetrating even between soul and spirit, joints and marrow, and able to discern reflections and thoughts of the heart), or seen implicitly through its lens.
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*** Deuteronomy 17:14-20 states that we “shall not turn away from God’s Word, not to the right or the left”.
***Psalm 1:2 and Joshua 1:7-8 says that “the righteous person dwells on the Word of the Lord day and night”.
***Deuteronomy 8:3 states that “we do not live on bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God”.
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***Proverbs 30:5-6 states: 5 Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. 6 Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.
-I will ask you, which NO ONE has replied to: Who's other writings does GOD tell us to accept as the truth??? QUOTE FROM the BIBLE!!!!)
Remember these words from Jesus: John 14:6 NIV -
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Since HE IS THE TRUTH, then when a church preaches their version of the truth, who is the truth??? Jesus or the "Church"???
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Sola Scriptura, or “God’s Word alone,” maintains that the Bible is the highest source of authority in a Christian’s life, the final court of appeal (though not the only authority: the Bible itself mentions governmental and other authorities).
Sola fide, or “faith alone,” affirms that justification-being made right with God-comes only through faith in Jesus.
Sola gratia, or “grace alone,” says sinners are saved as an unearned gift of God’s grace, “not as a result of works, so that no one may boast” (Eph 2:8-9).
Sola Christo (“solus Christus”), or “Christ alone,” emphasizes the exclusivity of Jesus’ role in salvation: “No one comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6).
And soli Deo gloria, or “to the glory of God alone,” says that the purpose of creation, salvation, and everything-including our goal as Christians-is the glory of God, “that God may be all in all” (1 Cor 15:28).
I can certainly understand why the roman Catholic does not agree with scripture . It would have to get rid of some , not all , some doctrines that are totally false.
------quote---You asked where the word pope is in the Bible... Where in the Bible is the word Bible mentioned? Or Ellen White? Or Seventh Day Adventist.---unquote
AND YOU DID NOT answer i WHERE is the title POpe in the Bible? !!!!!
---WHERE is Catholic mentioned in the Bible??? But, the prophesy is there!!!
----quote---Where is Mary mentioned in heaven? Rev. 11:19-12:2.. unquote
Revelation 11:19-12:2
Revised Standard Version
19 Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple; and there were flashes of lightning, voices, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and heavy hail.
The Woman and the Dragon
12 And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars; 2 she was with child and she cried out in her pangs of birth, in anguish for delivery.
WHERE is the NAME MARY MENTIONED????????????
That represents Israel (the woman) and the 12 stars are the 12 tribes of Israel!!!
When Adam saw that Eve ate the fruit did that mean it was ok to do that?
If we see people keeping Sunday does that mean it is ok to do so and if so show where it is written that it is ok in the Holy Bible?
Douay Rheims Version of the Catholic Bible
Ten Commandments
Exodus 20:2-17
Preface: I am the Lord your God
Commandment 1: You shall have no other gods before me.
Commandment 2: You shall not make for yourself an idol
Commandment 3: You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God
Commandment 4: Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy
Commandment 5: Honor your father and mother
Commandment 6: You shall not murder
Commandment 7: You shall not commit adultery
Commandment 8: You shall not steal
Commandment 9: You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor
Commandment 10: You shall not covet your neighbor's wife. You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor
Please read Catholic bibles to discover if this is true. I will do a little of the work for you:
This is from the official Catholic Bible:
bible.usccb.org/bible/exodus/20
Then God spoke all these words:
2
I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
3
You shall not have other gods beside me.
4
You shall not make for yourself an idol or a likeness of anything in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters beneath the earth;
5
you shall not bow down before them or serve them. For I, the LORD, your God, am a jealous God, inflicting punishment for their ancestors’ wickedness on the children of those who hate me, down to the third and fourth generation;
6
but showing love down to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.
7
You shall not invoke the name of the LORD, your God, in vain. For the LORD will not leave unpunished anyone who invokes his name in vain.
8
Remember the sabbath day-keep it holy.
9
Six days you may labor and do all your work,
10
but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God. You shall not do any work, either you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your work animal, or the resident alien within your gates.
11
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them; but on the seventh day he rested. That is why the LORD has blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.
12 Honor your father and your mother, that you may have a long life in the land the LORD your God is giving you.
13
You shall not kill.
14
You shall not commit adultery.
15
You shall not steal.
16
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17
You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, his male or female slave, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.
You see. Catholic Bibles have the exact same wording. Catholics left nothing out. They just number them differently. What you have above is a short version for Catholics. They know the rest of the text is left out for brevity at times. But Catholics understand the entirety of the Ten.
You are not quoting from the Douay-Rheims, but from somewhere else.
This is the Douay-Rheims Challoner 1899 edition:
Exodus 20
1 And the Lord spoke all these words:
2 I am the Lord thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt not have strange gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not adore them, nor serve them: I am the Lord thy God, mighty, jealous, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me:
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands to them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain: for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that shall take the name of the Lord his God in vain.
8 Remember that thou keep holy the sabbath day.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and shalt do all thy works.
10 But on the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: thou shalt do no work on it, thou nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy beast, nor the stranger that is within thy gates.
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and the sea, and all things that are in them, and rested on the seventh day: therefore the Lord blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it.
12 Honour thy father and thy mother, that thou mayest be longlived upon the land which the Lord thy God will give thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house: neither shalt thou desire his wife, nor his servant, nor his handmaid, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is his.
The "You" in your quotation is a dead give-away that you weren't quoting the Douay-Rheims Bible. It uses "Thou".
@@jimmu2008 quote-----he "You" in your quotation is a dead give-away that you weren't quoting the Douay-Rheims Bible. It uses "Thou"... unquote
This is the Douay-Rheims Challoner 1899 edition:
Exodus 20
1 And the Lord spoke all these words:
2 I am the Lord thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 THOU shalt not have strange gods before me.
4 THOU shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth.
5 THOU shalt not adore them, nor serve them: I am the Lord thy God, mighty, jealous, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me:
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands to them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 THOU shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain: for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that shall take the name of the Lord his God in vain.
8 Remember that thou keep holy the sabbath day.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and shalt do all thy works.
10 But on the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: thou shalt do no work on it, thou nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy beast, nor the stranger that is within thy gates.
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and the sea, and all things that are in them, and rested on the seventh day: therefore the Lord blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it.
12 Honour thy father and thy mother, that thou mayest be longlived upon the land which the Lord thy God will give thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house: neither shalt thou desire his wife, nor his servant, nor his handmaid, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is his.
READ IT AGAIN---"THOU"!!!!!! Means the SAME as "YOU"!!!!!
Yet Moses had a temper-tantrum and slammed the 10 Commandment Tablets against a rock, smashing them to bits...
Why would God change the one law that identifies Him?
The Bible says Herod kept Easter. Did he follow God?
The Catholic Church themselves state: "Sunday is a catholic Institution...From the beginning to the end of Scriptures (from Genesis to Revelation) there is NOT a single passage which warrents the transferance of the weekly public worship from the last day (Saturday) to the first day (Sunday) of the week" (Catholic Press, Sunday August 25, 1970.
"Sunday is a MARK of Our authority, the (catholic) Church is above the Bible and the transference of Sabbath (Saturday) to Sunday observance is proof of that fact" (Catholic Record Sept. 1, 1923)
The Bible days "remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day" The Catholic Church ssys "NO! By my divine Power I abolish the Sabbath day (Saturday), and command you to keep holy the first day of the week (Sunday "the venerable pagan worship day of the sun"). And Lo - the entire civilized world bows down in reverend obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church" (Father Enright, "American Sentinel", June 1893)... and there are many more such blaspemious quotes by the catholic church themselves
Mr. Mercier discusses this point in the above video. And Mr. Mercier personally looked into those quotes and has a video out that debunks them on his own CZcams channel. I truly hope and pray that you will take the time to listen to WHY some (and often wrongly) Catholic make this claim please study into it. Mr. Mercier's videos are free. There is no reason you would not want to find out the truth about these claims. God bless you as you seek truth, as we all do.
@@arthurandteresabeem7142 I DID NOT ASK for references for books, videos or anything else!!!
Why can't you reply for yourself????
Are that ignorant of the bible???
YOU ANSWER the comments I made!!!!
btw--I quoted what I quoted!!! YOU REBUTT them!!!
@@mitchellosmer1293 Mr. Osmer, I did personally answer a number of your comments. I wish I had all day to answer comments because I do enjoy dialogue with people. However, most people will assume you are yelling at me. I only suggested these resources because I do not have the time nor is this venue conducive for long discussions. Please read the extensive responses I have already given. Thank you.
@@mitchellosmer1293 Mr. Osmer, my husband just saw your response to me and asked me to block you. I have never, ever blocked anyone. I'm sorry our conversation turned disrespectful.
@@arthurandteresabeem7142 NO WHERE did you quote one single verse from the bible!!! Which implies to me, you are afraid of the truth.
When did Christians start using Sunday as Sabbath?
Edict of Constantine
On 3 March 321, Constantine I decreed that Sunday (dies Solis) will be observed as the Roman day of rest [CJ3. 12.2]:
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Who first changed the Sabbath to Sunday?
Sunday was another work day in the Roman Empire. On March 7, 321, however, Roman Emperor Constantine I issued a civil decree making Sunday a day of rest from labor, stating: All judges and city people and the craftsmen shall rest upon the venerable day of the sun.
We did a free series on this same CZcams channel called "The story of the Sabbath." It is not that long. Please watch the episode on Constantine. God bless.
@@arthurandteresabeem7142 quote---We did a free series on this same CZcams channel called "The story of the Sabbath." It is not that long. Please watch the episode on Constantine. God bless... unquote
Did I ask for video references? Book references????
AGAIN, you all refuse to do what Peter said!!!
The Bible says in 2 Peter 3:15, “always be ready to give a defense of the faith that is in you.”
FAITH THAT IS WITHIN YOU!! Why you passing the "buck" to another?????
Rebutt my comments from the Bible!!!!
Are you saying God's law was imperfect?
And thou art Peter “Petros,” “little bity stone” “feminine gender word” and upon this Rock “PETRA” “Bedrock of the resurrected Christ” “masculine gender word” l will build My church.
The Foundation Is Christ, Not Peter! “church of Christ” (MATTHEW 16:18; ROMANS 16:16)
Petros means, “little stone.”
PETRA means, “Bedrock.”
CHRIST IS PETRA!
1 Corinthians 3:11
11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light.
Yet the Apostle Paul was very careful to refer to Peter as KEFA-CEPHAS, because Jesus spoke Aramaic and when He said “you are the rock” His statement translates like this “you are KEFA AND ON THIS KEFA I will build my church”. What you write is the protestant excuse to not follow what Christ commanded. And even if it was what you interpreted, the KEYS OF THE KINGDOM WERE GIVEN TO HIM ONLY. So it doesn’t have any sense how you want to put it.
That’s just plain wrong in the original Aramaic there it is you are Cepha and on this Cepha I will build my church
@@davided9881 quote---That’s just plain wrong in the original Aramaic there it is you are Cepha and on this Cepha I will build my church... unquote
Let's READ what other bibles say.
Matthew 16:18
Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition CATHOLIC BIBLE!!!
18 And I tell you, you are Peter,and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it.
WHERE does that verse say:? you are Cepha and on this Cepha I will build my church..
And this bible:
New American Standard Bible 1995
18 I also say to you that you are [e]Peter, and upon this [f]rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.
AGAIN: WHERE does that verse say:? you are Cepha and on this Cepha I will build my church..
AGAIN: New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition
18 And I tell you, you are Peter,[b] and on this rock[c] I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it.
Another bible:
Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition
8 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
------WHERE does that verse say:? you are Cepha and on this Cepha I will build my church..
--FACTS:
---1 Corinthians 10:4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.
----1 Peter 2:4 As you come to him, the living Stone-rejected by humans but chosen by God and precious to him-
(Was Peter rejected by humans>)
----1 Samuel 2:2 “There is no one holy like the LORD; there is no one besides you; there is no Rock like our God.
----Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he.
----Psalms 18:2 The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer; my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.
---Psalms 18:31 For who is God besides the LORD? And who is the Rock except our God?
-----Psalms 18:46 The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock! Exalted be God my Savior!
---(Was David talking about Peter??)
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Peter never claimed to be pope, no one in the new testament called Peter pope. There is absolutely nothing in the new testament that indicates that Peter was a pope. The title pope was a blasphemous title CORRUPT men decided to put on Peter centuries later. Jesus said in Matthew 23:9 “9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.” Why would Peter give himself the title and position of someone called father aka pope. Peter would never dare disobey the words of Jesus by calling himself or giving himself the title or position of father/pope. Peter means pebble or small stone, Peter was not the rock Jesus meant when He said “upon this rock”, Jesus was talking about Himself, Jesus was pointing to Himself when He said “upon this rock I will build my church”. Jesus is the foundation, Jesus is the rock upon which the church is built upon. Christianity cannot exist without Jesus but Christianity can exist without Peter. Jesus is the One who shed His blood to save mankind, we are not saved by the blood of Peter. Why would the church be built upon Peter, Peter is a man of many faults, let’s not forget that Peter betrayed Jesus three times. Why would Jesus build His church upon a faulty man like Peter. Peter is not the Lord and Saviour of mankind, Jesus is the only Lord and Saviour of mankind. Jesus Christ is the faultless rock upon which the church is built upon. Psalm 18:2 “2 The Lord is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.” Jesus Christ is the rock, Psalm 18:2 is very clear when it says the Lord is the rock of salvation. Jesus is the rock upon which the church is built upon.
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Petrus Cephas never claimed to be Pope and demanded servitude and submission.In fact Apostle Paulus confronted him by chiding him for his fear of circumcised Jewish Christians. Further Apostle Peter and other Apostles addressed themselves as fellow servants of the gospel and disciples of YESHU [ Salvation] MESHIKHA [ The Anointed One ].The pagan Triune God was unknown to the disciples of Our Lord, as they preached only ADONAI ELOHEINU and YESHU MESHIKHA.
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And thou art Peter “Petros,” “little bity stone” “feminine gender word” and upon this Rock “PETRA” “Bedrock of the resurrected Christ” “masculine gender word” l will build My church.
The Foundation Is Christ, Not Peter! “church of Christ” (MATTHEW 16:18; ROMANS 16:16)
Petros means, “little stone.”
PETRA means, “Bedrock.”
CHRIST IS PETRA!
1 Corinthians 3:11
11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light.
@@mitchellosmer1293 are you a Bot? I did state that in the ORIGINAL ARAMAIC it is written you are Kepha and on this Kepha I will build my church, are you unable to comprehend text ?
@@atgred quote----quote----Yet the Apostle Paul was very careful to refer to Peter as KEFA-CEPHAS, because Jesus spoke Aramaic and when He said “you are the rock” His statement translates like this “you are KEFA AND ON THIS KEFA I will build my church”... unquote
That is odd I read the SAME statement from someone else earliar.
I suggest you go back and read Matthew 16:18 again.
Let's try this: Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition
verse 18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock (Jesus) I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it.[
WHERE are the words that call Peter "Rock"????
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Peter never claimed to be pope, no one in the new testament called Peter pope. There is absolutely nothing in the new testament that indicates that Peter was a pope. The title pope was a blasphemous title CORRUPT men decided to put on Peter centuries later. Jesus said in Matthew 23:9 “9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.” Why would Peter give himself the title and position of someone called father aka pope. Peter would never dare disobey the words of Jesus by calling himself or giving himself the title or position of father/pope. Peter means pebble or small stone, Peter was not the rock Jesus meant when He said “upon this rock”, Jesus was talking about Himself, Jesus was pointing to Himself when He said “upon this rock I will build my church”. Jesus is the foundation, Jesus is the rock upon which the church is built upon. Christianity cannot exist without Jesus but Christianity can exist without Peter. Jesus is the One who shed His blood to save mankind, we are not saved by the blood of Peter. Why would the church be built upon Peter, Peter is a man of many faults, let’s not forget that Peter betrayed Jesus three times. Why would Jesus build His church upon a faulty man like Peter. Peter is not the Lord and Saviour of mankind, Jesus is the only Lord and Saviour of mankind. Jesus Christ is the faultless rock upon which the church is built upon. Psalm 18:2 “2 The Lord is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.” Jesus Christ is the rock, Psalm 18:2 is very clear when it says the Lord is the rock of salvation. Jesus is the rock upon which the church is built upon.
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Petrus Cephas never claimed to be Pope and demanded servitude and submission.In fact Apostle Paulus confronted him by chiding him for his fear of circumcised Jewish Christians. Further Apostle Peter and other Apostles addressed themselves as fellow servants of the gospel and disciples of YESHU [ Salvation] MESHIKHA [ The Anointed One ].The pagan Triune God was unknown to the disciples of Our Lord, as they preached only ADONAI ELOHEINU and YESHU MESHIKHA.
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And thou art Peter “Petros,” “little bity stone” “feminine gender word” and upon this Rock “PETRA” “Bedrock of the resurrected Christ” “masculine gender word” l will build My church.
The Foundation Is Christ, Not Peter! “church of Christ” (MATTHEW 16:18; ROMANS 16:16)
Petros means, “little stone.”
PETRA means, “Bedrock.”
CHRIST IS PETRA!
1 Corinthians 3:11
11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light.
Also a lot of people in the comments are stating the fallacy that Peter is the rock upon which the church of Christ was built. However, this is not congruent with Peter's or Paul's understanding which would imply that it as also not what Jesus meant. If you read the greek of the text, Peter (petros) is not the same as the rock (petra) upon which Jesus built His church. If Jesus meant Peter, the greek text would use Petros in each instance when referring to Peter and the rock upon which the church would be built, but it doesn't. Petros and petra are different.
Paul points to Christ as the stone in Romans 9:33 and Peter points to Christ as the stone in 1 Peter 2:8. In Ephesians 2:19-21, Paul declares that Jesus is the cornerstone upon which the foundation of the church is built.
So Jesus, nor Peter, nor Paul ever preached or accepted a belief that Peter was the rock upon which the church was built.
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quote---And even if it was what you interpreted, the KEYS OF THE KINGDOM WERE GIVEN TO HIM ONLY. .. unquote
LOL--LMAO
Catholic Encyclopedia:
Jesus gave Peter “the keys of the kingdom of heaven,” not the keys to heaven.1 A key was a badge of authority ( Luke 11:52 ), and then as now was used to open doors. Peter used the keys Christ gave him to open the door to the Jews on the Day of Pentecost ( Acts 2 ), to the Samaritans after the preaching of Philip ( Acts 8:14-17 ), and to the Gentiles after the Lord had sent him a vision and an appeal from Cornelius ( Acts 10 ).
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Catholic Encyclopedia: The Pope: "The expressions binding and loosing here employed are derived from the current terminology of the Rabbinic schools. A doctor who declared a thing to be prohibited by the law was said to bind, for thereby he imposed an obligation on the conscience. He who declared it to be lawful was said to loose."
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quote----What you write is the protestant excuse to not follow what Christ commanded... unquote
LOL--LMAO
What Christ commanded??? How about this command?
Exodus 20:3-17
Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition
3 “You shall have no other gods before me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
And this one???
Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition
Ex 20:8 “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor, and do all your work; 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your manservant, or your maidservant, or your cattle, or the sojourner who is within your gates; 11 for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it.
Why do Catholics NOT OBEY CHRIST????
E. G. White began her writings in the 1840s which coincides with the rabidly anti Catholic Know Nothing political movement. I was baptized into the SDA church at age 16 and had not been exposed to White’s writings earlier. I was shocked by her anti Catholic bigotry when
I read the Great Controversy. This is one of the reasons I left the SDA church.
if you believe Peter is the ROCK, and that Jesus is NOT then you must also believe Peter is Satan because Mathew 16:23 Jesus himself stated to Peter "GET thee behind me satan: thou art an offense unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of man. This was after Peter rebuked Jesus for saying that he must die
What is the Greek word for man in Mark 2 27?
The Greek words translated "the man" in this scripture are ὁ ἄνθρωπος (Gtr. ho anthropos) - Nominative case, and τὸν ἄνθρωπον (Gtr. ton anthropon) - accusative case.
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There are many people who believe that because the Old Covenant and the Ten Commandments were given through Moses, that it was never created for Gentiles, and no Gentile should keep it. However, Jesus said that the "Sabbath was made for the man" (Mark 2:27), and here will analyze the meaning of this statement. This explains that the Sabbath was made either for all mankind, or for Adam.
#4.03 THE SABBATH DAY WAS MADE FOR THE MAN
Greek - MARK 2:27-28 - English
καὶ ἔλεγεν αὐτοῖς τὸ σάββατον διὰ τὸν ἄνθρωπον ἐγένετο οὐχ ὁ ἄνθρωπος διὰ τὸ σάββατον 27 And he said to them, The Sabbath was made for the man, and not the man for the Sabbath:
ὥστε κύριός ἐστιν ὁ υἱὸς τοῦ ἀνθρώπου καὶ τοῦ σαββάτου 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.
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GENESIS 2:1-3
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Note: Jesus did not say that the Sabbath was made for the Jews, he said it was made for the man (Mark 2:27). The Greek words translated "the man" in this scripture are ὁ ἄνθρωπος (Gtr. ho anthropos) - Nominative case, and τὸν ἄνθρωπον (Gtr. ton anthropon) - accusative case. Look at some definitions of it.
(James Strong p26) "444. ἄνθρωπος (559x) anthropos ... man-faced i.e. a human being: man (552x), not tr (4x), misc. (3x).
Anthropos is used (1) generally of a human being, male or female, without reference to sex or nationality:"
(Joseph H. Thayer p46) "444. ἄνθρωπος -ου, ὁ, [perh. fr. ἀνὴρ and ὢν, i.e. man's face; ...] It is used 1. univ., with ref. to the genus or nature, without distinction of sex, a human being, whether male or female: Jn xvi 21. And in this sense a. with the article, generally, so as to include all human individuals: ..."
There are a number of ways how this word "anthropos" is used in the New Testament, in the singular, with the definite article. It is either used of a particular individual, where the article is called 'the individualizing article', or it is used in a generic sense of a class of people, so let us look at some examples:
(Mark 2:27) "The Sabbath was made for the man, and not the man for the Sabbath:"
If the article used in this scripture is meant in a generic sense then it can only refer to mankind as a whole, so "the Sabbath was made for mankind". The word "anthropos" is never used to mean "Jews" as a class unless it is specifically stated in the context, even though Jews are a part of the class of mankind. So we cannot possibly interpret this as, "the Sabbath was made for the Jews" unless we twist the scripture. A number of translations follow this generic sense of the word anthropos. Here are a few examples but they are not the only ones.
Common English Bible (CEB) "The Sabbath was created for humans; humans weren't created for the Sabbath."
The Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) "Shabbat was made for mankind, not mankind for Shabbat."
Good News Translation (GNT) "The Sabbath was made for the good of human beings; they were not made for the Sabbath."
Lexham English Bible (LEB) "The Sabbath was established for people, and not people for the Sabbath."
New Revised Standard (NRS) "The sabbath was made for humankind, and not humankind for the sabbath."
Source: #4.03 THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR THE MAN Mark 2:27
Mr. Osmer,
Jesus was very harsh with HIS OWN appointed leadership. We know well the Bible verses that called the Pharisees and Sadducees vipers and white-washed tombs. Jesus was much more gentle to the layman who had no authority. He called them His sheep. Because Jesus had JUST made Peter His leader and authority, He shocked Peter with these words, "Get thee behind me, Satan." Jesus wanted Peter to understand the depth and gravity of his new position as leader. It was BECAUSE Peter was the newly appointed head of the Church that Christ spoke to Him as a warning.
But please read on. Before Jesus assumed into heaven, He repeated the question "Peter, do you love me?" The three times Peter had denied Him and so three times Jesus wanted Peter to "do penance" by repeating his answer. But Jesus' responses had great meaning and depth. "Feed my sheep" Jesus told Peter. Then "feed my lambs" and again "feed my sheep."
If you look at the meaning and the Greek wording (Aramaic really). He was saying that PETER would feed the layman and the pastors. Peter was in charge and was being commissioned right there. So while we know Jesus gave Simon the TITLE Peter (rock) he also was commissioning Peter to stand as His right hand man once He had ascended into heaven.
Mr. Osmer,
Christians agree with the premise of what you say. God desires man to rest. At the beginning of creation, God gave an UNENDING rest to the earth because the 7th day had no beginning or end, no evening or morning to confine its time. It was supposed to be an eternal rest in God. But, God knew man would sin. So therefore there was an underlying meaning of the 7th day of creation that pass most by. This day was a photo-evangelium day. It was a PROMISE that after sin, there would be another eternal rest. This rest would AGAIN be in God. This was ALWAYS supposed to be man's rest. MANKIND was always supposed to be in a perfect and SINLESS rest. Israel was given a day to REMIND him of the creation rest--GOD's ETERNAL AND UNENDING DAY OF REST.
This is the beauty of Sabbath that the Jews could not see. They only could see a 24 hour day of restrictions. The day could NEVER give them rest. It could only give them hope. A hope for a true day of rest that would come with Christ. "Come unto ME, " Jesus said, and I will give you rest."
Everything, EVERYTHING changed with Christ's resurrection. The Messiah had come, the prophecy, the shadows had been fulfilled and now there was a NEW covenant, with a NEW law that was far, far superior than the old. The great promise of rest had come in Jesus and Jesus was the ETERNAL rest from Creation. HE was God's rest for mankind. ALL mankind. So when Christ said "The Sabbath was made for man." He wasn't speaking of a day. He was speaking of HIMSELF!
@@arthurandteresabeem7142 When was the first church in Rome built?
Built as early as AD 280, Santa Susana is considered the oldest church in Rome. For a Cistercian sisters' monastery established on the property in 1587 that is still there, the present church was reconstructed from 1585 to 1603.
Since that was the FIRST Catholic church built on Rome, HOW COULD Peter be the first Pope of the Catholic church in Rome???
>>>>Peter as The Rock
Yahshua (Jesus) was speaking Aramaic, not Greek, as many claim. So when people argue over the “original Greek” he supposedly spoke, it is the beginning of confusion, which is why there are so many “contradictions” people see. The translations can suffer not only over many languages but many centuries, and the personal biases of individual translators, and one has to understand the intended meaning from the original language as much as possible.
For example the figure of speech used here was where Yahshua was saying, you’re called Kepa (Petros in Greek, later Peter, stone; his real name was Shimon), but upon this Rock I will build my church. He was making a comparison. You’re a little stone, but upon this giant ROCK I will build my church. The prophecies of the coming one representing Yahweh-God was described as a ROCK, like a mountain. “Kepa” did not mean a giant rock nor was he the coming one or the one in prophecy. Peter did not save us from our sins. Peter did not own the church. Peter did not fulfill prophecies of the Rock. Peter was not the Messiah. Peter was a Jewish fisherman following an itinerant preacher he now realized is the Son of God and Messiah, and recognized Yahshua, not himself, as the Rock of Salvation.
I know all about the idea of “apostolic succession” which is built upon this scripture and the entire structure of the catholic church rests. From this, the justification of thousands of “traditions” arose. He said you’re a little stone; I’m a giant Rock and I’m building this church upon myself. Yahshua is the head of the body of Christ, the true church. Not Peter. Peter is not the head of anything. He is just another part of the body of Christ, the church, like the rest of us. Christ is the head and he is the only intercessor between humans and God. The head intercedes for the body. The rest of the body has to submit to the control of the head, the brain and mind. That goes for the human body and the spiritual body.
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Jesus gave Peter “the keys of the kingdom of heaven,” not the keys to heaven.1 A key was a badge of authority ( Luke 11:52 ), and then as now was used to open doors. Peter used the keys Christ gave him to open the door to the Jews on the Day of Pentecost ( Acts 2 ), to the Samaritans after the preaching of Philip ( Acts 8:14-17 ), and to the Gentiles after the Lord had sent him a vision and an appeal from Cornelius ( Acts 10 ).
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Catholic Encyclopedia: The Pope: "The expressions binding and loosing here employed are derived from the current terminology of the Rabbinic schools. A doctor who declared a thing to be prohibited by the law was said to bind, for thereby he imposed an obligation on the conscience. He who declared it to be lawful was said to loose."
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Peter never claimed to be pope, no one in the new testament called Peter pope. There is absolutely nothing in the new testament that indicates that Peter was a pope. The title pope was a blasphemous title CORRUPT men decided to put on Peter centuries later. Jesus said in Matthew 23:9 “9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.” Why would Peter give himself the title and position of someone called father aka pope. Peter would never dare disobey the words of Jesus by calling himself or giving himself the title or position of father/pope. Peter means pebble or small stone, Peter was not the rock Jesus meant when He said “upon this rock”, Jesus was talking about Himself, Jesus was pointing to Himself when He said “upon this rock I will build my church”. Jesus is the foundation, Jesus is the rock upon which the church is built upon. Christianity cannot exist without Jesus but Christianity can exist without Peter. Jesus is the One who shed His blood to save mankind, we are not saved by the blood of Peter. Why would the church be built upon Peter, Peter is a man of many faults, let’s not forget that Peter betrayed Jesus three times. Why would Jesus build His church upon a faulty man like Peter. Peter is not the Lord and Saviour of mankind, Jesus is the only Lord and Saviour of mankind. Jesus Christ is the faultless rock upon which the church is built upon. Psalm 18:2 “2 The Lord is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.” Jesus Christ is the rock, Psalm 18:2 is very clear when it says the Lord is the rock of salvation. Jesus is the rock upon which the church is built upon.
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Petrus Cephas never claimed to be Pope and demanded servitude and submission.In fact Apostle Paulus confronted him by chiding him for his fear of circumcised Jewish Christians. Further Apostle Peter and other Apostles addressed themselves as fellow servants of the gospel and disciples of YESHU [ Salvation] MESHIKHA [ The Anointed One ].The pagan Triune God was unknown to the disciples of Our Lord, as they preached only ADONAI ELOHEINU and YESHU MESHIKHA.
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And thou art Peter “Petros,” “little bity stone” “feminine gender word” and upon this Rock “PETRA” “Bedrock of the resurrected Christ” “masculine gender word” l will build My church.
The Foundation Is Christ, Not Peter! “church of Christ” (MATTHEW 16:18; ROMANS 16:16)
Petros means, “little stone.”
PETRA means, “Bedrock.”
CHRIST IS PETRA!
1 Corinthians 3:11
11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light.
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"Wrong day of worship" cannot be identified by reading the Sabbath Commandment. The Commandment requires remembrance and rest, not worship. Yet, Jesus Christ identifies himself as the Sabbath, for he says, "Follow me, and I will give you rest," and elsewhere, "Do this in remembrance of me." So, how do we read the Commandment now? "Remember Jesus Christ (not the Sabbath) and keep him holy.... on six days your will rest, but on the seventh (shivah in Hebrew, meaning seven, or oath of the covenant...think of Moses coming down the mountain and the Feast of Weeks) you will rest." Feast of Weeks is celebrated on the "morrow after the Sabbath."
Luke 4:8 And Jesus answered him, “It is written, “'You shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shall you serve. '”
----Is the only God worthy of worship Bible verse?
He is the only God worthy of our worship. Other nations worship idols, but the LORD created the heavens. Give honor and praise to the LORD, whose power and beauty fill his holy temple.” Tell everyone of every nation, “Praise the glorious power of the LORD.
---Why is worship only for God?
It is the acknowledgment of God and all His power and glory in everything we do. The highest form of praise and worship is obedience to Him and His Word. Worship is to glorify and exalt God by showing our loyalty and admiration to Him. The more we know about God, the more we appreciate Him.
----What does the Bible say about true worship of God?
For example, in Romans 1:9 NASB he said, “I serve (or worship) (God) with my spirit in the gospel of his son.” And in Philippians 3:3 NASB, Paul said that true Christians worship God in the Spirit of God . . . and “put no confidence in the flesh.” Also in Romans 12:1 NASB, Paul encouraged Christians, “
----What does Isaiah 42:8 say?
8 I am the Lord, this is my name; I shall not give my glory to another, and my praising to graven images. (I am the Lord, that is my name; I shall not give my glory to another, nor my praises to carved idols.)
----What is the meaning of John 4 23?
John 4:23-24 Calls Us to Worship in Spirit and Truth
So to seek him over and above everything in this world. But then, you get later on in the conversation Jesus is having with this woman, and he starts talking about worship of God in spirit and truth for the Father is seeking such people to worship him.
----What is worship according to scripture?
Worship is our “reasonable service” (Romans 12:1) of gratitude for all God has done for us. Worship is a way to spread the Gospel message to non-believers; when others see us worshipping God, they will realize that there is Someone Who deserves our worship, and may want to learn more about Him.
----What does Psalm 83: 18 say?
18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth. 18 that they may know that you alone, whose name is the LORD, are the Most High over all the earth. 18 Then they will learn that you alone are called the LORD, that you alone are the Most High, supreme over all the earth.
----What is the meaning of John 17 verse 3?
In John 17:3, Jesus defined eternal life saying, “This is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.” By Jesus' loving and caring ways, by His power to meet every human need, and by His teaching the word of God, His disciples came to know the Father and the Son.
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If you will read scripture, you will find that at the Temple in Jerusalem, worship happened daily. Israel had no concept of a day of worship, only a day of rest. God is continually worshipped in heaven and the Temple was supposed to be a reflection of the Temple in heaven. The angels worship God night and day. There is even some evidence that worship went on 24/7 at the Jerusalem Temple. It is said that weary travelers, who even had to journey to Jerusalem for sacrifice, could FIND the Temple day or night because the sacrifices and great light was coming from it even during the darkest of nights. It was the light on a hill beckoning to His people to come. There is even suggestions that 200 levite singers could be heard chanting praises to God during the night, just as in the day. What a glorious picture of Jerusalem. Worship ascending to God day and night through sacrifice and praise.
Sabbath, for Israel, was a day of rest. It was not thought of as a day of worship because worship could ONLY and exclusively be done at the Temple. That was holy writ from God. Any worship outside of the Temple was considered idolatrous and worthy of stoning. But the majority of Israel did not live close enough to the Temple to attend on ANY day of the week, much less each Sabbath. God only required Israel to have 3 times during the year that they worshipped corporately and publicly in Jerusalem. They were the annual feast days and worship did not simply happen on Sabbath. the Bible tells us (Lev. 23) that SOME of those feast days fell on different days of the week.
Israel was required to REST each Sabbath, not worship. Private worship happened daily, corporate worship happened whenever someone came to the Temple to sacrifice and also those required worship seasons 3 times a year.
@@arthurandteresabeem7142 quote--- Israel had no concept of a day of worship, only a day of rest.. unquote
Really?? So, Ex 20:8-11 meant nothing to Israel???
New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition
8 Remember the sabbath day, and keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work. 10 But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work-you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and consecrated it.
Written : Traditionally ascribed to Moses himself, modern scholars see its initial composition as a product of the Babylonian exile (6th century BCE), based on earlier written sources and oral traditions, with final revisions in the Persian post-exilic period (5th century BCE).
>>>>quote-Any worship outside of the Temple was considered idolatrous and worthy of stoning... unquote
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Because of the Temple Mount entry restrictions, the Wall is the holiest place where Jews are permitted to pray outside the Temple Mount platform, as the presumed site of the Holy of Holies, the most sacred site in the Jewish faith, lies just above and behind it.
Do Jews have to pray in a synagogue?
However, a synagogue is not always necessary for Jewish worship, due to adaptations during times of Jewish persecution in countries and regions that banned Judaism, frequently destroying and/or reappropriating synagogues into churches or even government buildings.
Who was excluded from the Temple?
2 In the Mishnah, the restrictions are elaborated in accordance with an ascending order of holiness: The Temple Mount is still more holy (than Jerusalem), for no man or woman that has a flux, no menstruant, and no woman after childbirth may enter therein. (Included Mary).
---quote--Israel was required to REST each Sabbath, not worship... unquote
Moreover, the Sabbath is the only Jewish holiday the observance of which is enjoined by the Ten Commandments. Jews are obligated to sanctify the Sabbath at home and in the synagogue by observing the Sabbath laws and engaging in worship and study.
@@mitchellosmer1293 I know you're replying to the Beams, but I must point out that in my original post, I noted that the day of worship cannot be identified in the commandment. Worship is not mentioned; only rest and remembrance are commanded. Since Jesus Christ commanded us to, "Do this in remembrance," and elsewhere instructs us to follow him, for he gives us rest, Jesus Christ identifies that he is greater than the sabbath day. To place the sabbath day above Jesus Christ is to commit idolatry.
“You shall have no other gods before me."
I'm not sure if we're trying to argue the same point on this thread, but I do make a request: Please do not assume that I am ignorant of Sacred Scripture (a reply leading with, "If you will read Scripture..." sounds like an assumption that I do not read Scripture. Reading Sacred Scripture is actually a requirement for my employment position. If I don't read Sacred Scripture, I would probably have to find another job.
Why is your platform called Adventist Talk and have EGW as the face of it? when you don't believe in Adventist nor EGW. Do you realize this is confusion? Are you ok with presenting yourself that way?
if you believe Peter is the ROCK, and that Jesus is NOT then you must also believe Peter is Satan because Mathew 16:23 Jesus himself stated to Peter "GET thee behind me satan: thou art an offense unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of man. This was after Peter rebuked Jesus for saying that he must die
Protestants: either/or
Catholics: both/and
Jesus is the rock (Acts4:11), Peter also is the rock, that is why Jesus changed his name from Simon to Peter-KEFA (Mt.16:18) the Apostles TOGETHER WITH CHRIST are also rocks (Eph. 2:20) all baptized people are also rocks (1 Peter 2:5). So again, CONTEXT IS KEY. When Jesus called Peter “satan”, he is not saying Peter IS satan, but that he was being tempted by Satan to say what he said. All christians sin and we should recognize that the author of sin is Satan. So when we sin we are also taking part with Satan. But you can’t “generalize” that because of Christ statement then Peter IS Satan. That is ludicrous. Because after Christ’s resurrection, He himself asked Peter to be our Shepard and to feed us (Jn. 21:15-17), and since 2000 years the Church through Apostolic Succession (Acts 1:22-26) has had in the figure of the Pope, Peter.
@@atgred quote---Peter also is the rock, that is why Jesus changed his name from Simon to Peter-KEFA (Mt.16:18). unquote
Yahshua (Jesus) was speaking Aramaic, not Greek, as many claim. So when people argue over the “original Greek” he supposedly spoke, it is the beginning of confusion, which is why there are so many “contradictions” people see. The translations can suffer not only over many languages but many centuries, and the personal biases of individual translators, and one has to understand the intended meaning from the original language as much as possible.
For example the figure of speech used here was where Yahshua was saying, you’re called Kepa (Petros in Greek, later Peter, stone; his real name was Shimon), but upon this Rock I will build my church. He was making a comparison. You’re a little stone, but upon this giant ROCK I will build my church. The prophecies of the coming one representing Yahweh-God was described as a ROCK, like a mountain. “Kepa” did not mean a giant rock nor was he the coming one or the one in prophecy. Peter did not save us from our sins. Peter did not own the church. Peter did not fulfill prophecies of the Rock. Peter was not the Messiah. Peter was a Jewish fisherman following an itinerant preacher he now realized is the Son of God and Messiah, and recognized Yahshua, not himself, as the Rock of Salvation.
I know all about the idea of “apostolic succession” which is built upon this scripture and the entire structure of the catholic church rests. From this, the justification of thousands of “traditions” arose. He said you’re a little stone; I’m a giant Rock and I’m building this church upon myself. Yahshua is the head of the body of Christ, the true church. Not Peter. Peter is not the head of anything. He is just another part of the body of Christ, the church, like the rest of us. Christ is the head and he is the only intercessor between humans and God. The head intercedes for the body. The rest of the body has to submit to the control of the head, the brain and mind. That goes for the human body and the spiritual body.
----quote---- the Apostles TOGETHER WITH CHRIST are also rocks (Eph. 2:20) ..unquote
Nope--that is NOT what that verse says.
You are rising like the perfectly fitted stones of the temple; and your lives have been built up together upon the foundation laid by the apostles and prophets, and best of all, you are connected to the Head Cornerstone of the building, the Anointed One, Jesus Christ himself!
It says "STONE"!!!!! Head cornerstone, which is Jesus!!!
----quote---all baptized people are also rocks (1 Peter 2:5)... unquote
5 you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 5 And you are living stones that God is building into his spiritual temple.
AGAIN: "LIKE a living stone--simliar to, but NOT exact!!!.
----quote----and since 2000 years the Church through Apostolic Succession (Acts 1:22-26) has had in the figure of the Pope, Peter...unquote---
Acts 1:21-26
21 Therefore it is necessary to choose one of the men who have been with us the whole time the Lord Jesus was living among us, 22 beginning from John’s baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection.”
23 So they nominated two men: Joseph called Barsabbas (also known as Justus) and Matthias. 24 Then they prayed, “Lord, you know everyone’s heart. Show us which of these two you have chosen 25 to take over this apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs.” 26 Then they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was added to the eleven apostles.
IS IT OBVIOUS you do NOT undersand that!!!!
TO BE AN APOSTLE!!!!!
#1--MUST have seen Jesus be baptized!!!
#2--MUST have walksed/talked with Jesus during His minsitry!!
#3-MUST have seen Jesus after His resurrection!!!
-FACTS: 2-**St ****Linus**)** born**10 AD ), Roman Empire
So, when did he travel to Jerusalem at age 23 to see Jesus be baptized??? Walk/talk to Jesus? See Him after the resurrection??? Where are he SPOKEN WORDS/WRITTEN letters???
Linus is only mentioned once in the Bible in 2 Timothy 4:21. He's mentioned in a string of names, not even as a standout name. 2 Timothy 4:21 King James Version (KJV)
Do thy diligence to come before winter. Eubulus greeteth thee, and Pudens, and Linus, and Claudia, and all the brethren.
Linus is mentioned as a BROTHER- (in Christ)-NOT a POPE!!!
Let me remind you: 2 Thessalonians 2:15 So then, brethren, stand your ground, and hold fast to the teachings which you have received from us, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
WHERE are"THE WORDS of MOUTH:, spoken that Linus succeded Peter??? Where is the WRITTEN Letter that Linus ws anything more than a brother in Christ!!!
-#3--**St ****Anacletus** **(Cletus) **ANACLETVS** (**CLETVS**)
born 25 AD Athenae Achaea Roman Empire
Age 5 when Jesus was baptized!!!!!
#4--**St ****Clement I******CLEMENS**
c. 35 AD Roma , Italia, Roman Empire
Age at time of Jesus; baptism?? NOT BORN!!!
#5--**St ****Evaristus******EVARISTVS**
c. 30 AD Bethlehem Roman Empire
Again, how can one see Jesus be baptized BEFORE they are born?? Or age 3 when Jesus was resurrected????-
NONE of them come close to being qualified to be an apostle!!!
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There you go with the same distortions of Catholic doctrine. No Catholic ever says that Jesus is not the rock, and you know it.
@@jimmu2008 quote---- No Catholic ever says that Jesus is not the rock, and you know it.,, unquote
THAT IS NOT the point!!!!!
CATHOLICS DO INSIST that Peter IS THE ROCK!!!!!
@@mitchellosmer1293 YOU claimed that Catholics say that Jesus is not the rock, which is a lie. Now you say that it was not the point. So a lie is excusable when it's not the point? Do you think you can bear false witness because you keep the Sabbath?