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Jeff, you and StudPack seem to always know what projects are in my near future and put out the research& DIY videos I need to watch. Thank you for a much needed live tutorial
Absolutely. 100%
Glad to help
I always thought that garage floors are slightly sloped from the back wall to the door to allow for water to run towards & out the door. Am I wrong ?
@@billm.8220 you’re right. Most of the time garage floors have a slight slope
Yes... coming from snow country and now living in "monsoon" country... you need to be able to drain snow-melt and salt as well as rain runoff from your vehicle out of your garage... all that water and chemicals would do too much harm to your structure. 😮.@billm.8220
im in the UK(LIVERPOOL),,,,,,,,,, i watch loads of your vids, and there boss,well detailed, and yer give the pitfalls too
Watched the whole video. Lots of great info and you answered my question near the end of the video. Always turn to your channel when I need the good info. Thanks!
Wow, Jeff perfect timing. I've just reached this point. I'm replacing my sub floor (rotten wood due to moister) on a slab foundation. Concert has a 3/4 max bowel shape. So I'll listen to you before I wing it.
Ken
Thank you for this. It gave me the final nudge I needed to tackle the 70s tile and black mastic floor I found under the carpet in one of my bedrooms. Now that the scary and hideously wonky slab is covered up and level, I can stop stressing about it and move on with the rest of the room renovation as planned.
And you helped me avoid a mistake. I was about to go for the RS stuff from Home Depot. Getting the slow set from a flooring place instead was definitely the right way to go for me since I was working alone and had a large floor to cover. It ended up taking 15 bags. Now I get to take a break for a day to let it cure.
Thanks for leveling with us on the use of these products in various situations 😆
Exactly. Just the flat truth.
Any time!
Yes!! I found old glued down vinyl sheeting in my house that likely has asbestos. I will be self-leveling over this weekend!
How did you get on? I have the same asbestos tiles, they’re in pretty good nick apart from patches, and I’m wondering if I can fill the patches
Really great demonstration
Thank you Jeff et al. You are good people
Cheers!
Could not have come at a better time! Thank you!
Cheers and good luck with your project!
Great video. Thanks for the help. Really appreciate you.
Extremely informative. 👍
Good show Jeff.
Cheers Rob!
Answered so many questions!
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No worries there. Cheers!
We are buying a house (Wiltshire, UK). The entire downstairs area has asbestos tiles, bonded with asbestos bitumen. I am so glad you said "use primer then leveller over it, to encapsulate the asbestos." PERFECT! Will take some work to do it, but that's great. Thank you. Now I just need to find UK equivelent products.
Hi, I’m in London and I have these tiles, but there are just some patches where they have holes and damage, overall they’re very level. I was wondering if I could just patch the holes. Is that a decision you had to make?
Another option if you don’t have expansion foam to contain the self leveler against walls or gaps, you can use some tuck tape in a pinch and it will work great.
They use tape for epoxy counters too. When wrapping around a corner just pinch the top edge of the corner together so it does not fold over.
Oh noo!! I missed such an important topic today!! That's literally my upcoming project for the kitchen/living room!!
You got this!
Bear in mind. Self leveler is not self leveling.
For better flatness, one needs to use self leveling pins. Which are gold too @ $1-2 dollars per pin every 3 feet across the floor. You cut them to a benchmark using a laser level. We keep ours 1/16 high so we can see them on the pour and keep the floor just under the tips of the pins!
The other main focus with self leveling is sealing the floor well. Clean very good, even under wall edges. Fill all gaps, small ones with caulk, large ones with spray foam. You can make dams with spray foam or 2x4 that is sealed to the floor. Trim your foam with a long retractable razor (the kind with multiple break points, though they make ones without the break points) then do a good job on the primer, read directions, dilute as necessary depending on the surface. The primer is the sealer for your whole floor, stopping water loss and allowing the product to work.
Keep a keen eye on your water amounts when mixing, try to hit the high end of recommended water to allow better flow. I can't stress enough how much water accuracy matters with this stuff, it's worth putting a person you trust to do it right on water.
Hi Jeff, Always enjoying your tutorial, save me time reading and the good thing is that, you are teeling us how to avoid making mistakes. Just a question what can you say about Dry Pour concreting using it in the garden area?
Thanks!
i did this for my upstairs floor - very unlevel areas of OSB on joists. Used QuickLevel RS - you gotta be organized but it's do able - set out levelling screws around the area.
then glued the flooring to the self leveler. it worked great. It seems wrong to start pouring a concrete based liquid over your upstairs wooden subfloor - but it totally works so long as you follow the instructions carefully.
it is much easier than the alternative - cutting up the floor to remove sections and then sistering joists to level ....
How is your flooring doing also what was the thickest amount of self leveler you poured?
Timestamp 36:10 he Gives the double Birdie to everyone. L o l, So funny.
Nice catch 😂
these things happen!
Dang. Came across this after redoing the floor in our laundry room. Ripped out old carpet and there was linoleum underneath, delaminating in some places and tightly glued other places. As he described it was on some sort of wood underlay that was stapled to the subfloor. I didn’t want to rip that up because honestly, didn’t want to know if the subfloor was going bad. Thought about using floor leveling over the linoleum but wasn’t sure about it and it was a small space and they only seem to sell large bags of the stuff, I just needed a small amount to make the surface flat. Using a long level, it seemed the floor was within the specs for the floating interlocking vinyl plank I was using, so just locally sanded as needed and put that down. I’ll see if it holds over time!
Cheers Jeff
right back atcha !
This is an amazing set up, Haven't watched the whole thing yet, but What about pouring self leveler onto concrete?
Hey Jeff, I plan on removing tile on basement that was installed directly on concrete. My plan is to use floor leveler then (1) thinset + (2) Ditra XL + (3) thinset + (4) 5/16 thick tile.
Trying to wrap my head over what thinset to use for step (1) and step (3) without breaking the bank other than Schluter. What would be your recommendation with Mapei ? Thanks!
Hi Jeff, your videos have been my guiding light through our DIY basement reno. We put dricore panels down but we didn't level before. Is it okay for us to level on top of the dricore directly, or are we better off adding a layer of 3/8 ply and then leveling?
I'm going to be replacing tile in my kitchen really soon, and from what I can tell there is already a wire mesh under the old tile adhesive. There is, what also appears to be a dip on the floor. Do I need to pull that old mesh up and go all the way down to the subfloor? Or can I bust out the old tile, clean up the adhesive, primer and pour the leveler? This is an awesome video and I am no longer intimidated by this stuff anymore! Thanks
I have linoleum on plywood in my second floor kitchen. Can I use levelling product on the linoleum to prep for vinyl plank that will be replacing the old floor?
I used SLC in my bathroom over the underfloor heating I installed. I am going to use direct stick luxury vinyl plank 2mm over the top. As its technically a wet area an epoxy adhesive is recommended for the plank. However thats for where you might have running water spills etc. I was going to use UZIN KE2000S. My question is do you need to seal the SLC once it is laid before putting on additional coverings like vinyl plank?
Do you need some kind of sealer for the compound before you lay peel and stick vinyl?
I have 1933 era home. Redoing kitchen floor. The pier and beam joist have a plank subfloor with a 1/4” Masonite layer and a glued down square flexible type tile that is separating from . Do I take up the tile and Masonite or can I use the planks, Masonite and 1/4 or 1/2 inch to create a more stable laminate subfloor?
I have a small Southeast Michigan, brick-walled home with a walkout basement built in 1956. I have an engineering mindset and believe the home to be unusually well-built for the time (two walls of brick, steel pole floor support with steel I-beams). They originally used tile, and overtime added linoleum and finally carpet on the main floor. I have removed the carpet, linoleum, and tile. I am replacing it with 12 mil luxury vinal planks. They did use nails to attach the 3/4" composite board to the subfloor. The composite floor is losing some of the top composite in some areas. Can I use floor leveler to "even out" the floor? Your vlog seems to address applying it to the entire floor.
Hey Jeff, Love the videos! question on self-leveler! What if the first layer wasn't enough? can you add a second layer after the first one cures/dries? thanks!!
Can you use floor leveler on top of a flagstone patio that is set in concrete, then add a thick layer of concrete on top?
Does Acrylic cement bonder work as well for self leveling layment primer?
Jeff, should you prime with sand mix under a shower pan ? previous vid you just put on subfloor. My subflooring is Advantec. Always refer to your videos . Thank you for your time !! Glynn
Jeff, we put this in our kitchen about a month ago and went on to other projects. I checked it for flatness today, and it's not flat. Can we pour more on top of what we already did?
I’m gonna tile my bathroom. I bought the primer T and the self leveler plus. The floor is plywood but it is not level. If I use this self leveler should I put down diamond mesh and can I put shluter ditra over the cured self leveler plus. I heard you mention something about not putting ditra over it but what would my other option be?
Hi, I'm doing a small bath and hall 60sq and wanted to install 12x12 porcelain tiles, my subfloor is two layer of 3/4 x 3 T&G flooring, It has good structure underneath however it slopes so I want to level before tile install. Question is should I cover with 3/8 plywood, level, uncoupling membrane then tile? Or wire over the T&G, level, uncoupling membrane then tile.
Can I use this on my cracked patio?
Can you use the self leveler as a finished floor without anything on top of it? and If so do you need some sort of sealer to be applied after its cured?
I have a 72 doublewide with MDS floors. I have water damage on the edges and have ben removing the original vinyl flooring because of parts being partly removed or chipped. Have sanded as smooth as possible. I have been replacing the damaged areas with 3/4 plywood . some areas along the marriage wall are higher and there are bolts there too. What would be the best way to level the floor before putting down LVP that already has the pad attached. Extra padding cancels the warrantee. Will have to do the floors through out the whole double wide and have a VERY tight budget. Thank you in advance.
Hey Jeff
What is the most correct method ,installing self levelling concrete first and after schliter ditra ,or ditra first and self leveller after wards.I will appreciate the answer ,I have a project for a difficult costumer
Thanks a lot
Hey Jeff. I’m trying to pour a self leveling wear layer concrete floor on top of OSB. Is this possible with redguard then diamond mesh and a self leveling concrete that is wear layer approved such as ( Bostik sl 175) or anything else?
Hi Jeff how about using leveler in a manufactured home?
You said it the other way around. The sand has air between in molecules and the water fills it
Is there a different type of leveler to use if you have in floor heat
Asbestos in those old flooring tiles, is already encapsulated; it's only released if the tiles are busted up for removal; to what degree, I don't know, but I suspect not a lot compared to old drywall or other compounds
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I have a home that is on a concrete slab. Build in 1950”s could I use the self leveling would it be too heavy?
Laundry room renovation please!!!
Self-leveling a concrete floor...do I need to use a primer or is that just for wood?
What do you do if you are dealing with a concrete slab and you want to introduce some sort of insulating factor either between the slab and the leveler or the leveler And the LVP without it being electric.
Hey i have a old vinyl floor probally has asbestos in it with a plywood underneath it. Can i pour right over it. If not what can i do? Also the edges have come up and is curled up so i know i would have to cut the edges.
Can i use self leveler over a subfloor made of 3/4 inch durafoam and 5/8 osb like you did in one of your other video, it’s what i put in my basement but it’s not totally leveled. Thanks
Did you say that you can pull out the pieces of wood that you used instead of sill sealer? Won't the leveler bond to the wood trim?
Can you used level on on concrete to raise half inch,
Does all leveler encapsulate asbestos? I have some black asbestos (I think) glue that was holding down some ancient tile, and the floors need leveling anyway before laying floor.
Omgee go outside! The DUST!!!! 😆
Hi! New subscriber here. Will you be doing a video on epoxy flooring the interior of a home?
This old house on steroids, fantastic thank you
Should I put down tar paper for a vapor barrier?
Can I use a floor leveler to create a slight ramp? I hade a interior floor drain put in the basement to fix a water issue and they made way too high of a ramp at the perimeter of about 1/5th of the basement. I grinded it down as much as I could but still have a 1/2 inch ramp over a 1-2 feet span at the edge of the wall. Can I use less water in the mix and use a 10 ft straight edge to slow ramp it out so it is not noticeable? I understand it is a leveler and maybe its a stupid question, wasn't sure if it would hold a little as it dries. Didn't think I can do a cement pour that thin.
I have 1"x4" TG subfloor that has normal shrinkage gaps and is 70 y/o. How clean must the floor be before using this product?
I need to come up 1.5 in on a 10 ft run and 3/4 in most spots, can I use cement board as a filler material? Just prime it, right?
Question...I'll look thru comments to see ... I had to kilz my floor after removing carpet... Can I put floor leveler over kilz or do I need another primer?
Hi Jeff, a couple questions I was hoping you were going to answer but didn’t. If you are patching a concrete floor with regular concrete before applying self leveler does the concrete need to cure a certain amount of time before applying self leveler or will it delaminate the self leveler while its curing? Is there a product you can recommend if you are trying to do this with one person so I have more working time? The Mapei product you mentioned with the 24 hr cure time, cannot go to a feather finish, it has to be at least 1/8” thick.
Can a cement mixer be used?
Can i use the primer on my tile floor before pouring leveler? How do i prepare the tile? Ok Got it!!! Thanks answer is around 12:00
Primer more important the thinner the layer of leveler. At half inch or more on concrete i eouldnt be too concerned... But any edgeds that are festhered could delaminate crack and pulverize
can i put it over 1/2 inch hardiboard over wood subfloor?
Jef you got it backwards with Ditra mat. You are supposed to use leveller under the mat and not on top.
Is that for Ditra heat? Or all Ditra?
@@mmathi4 all Ditra
In my area the electrical authority wants leveler on top to cover the cables. schluter does not agree. I tend to go with the guy that provides the inspection certificate on this. Cheers, for best results pour 1/4" over the top to provide better protection against breakage
I have a question: what is in that cup?
Hey, Jeff my dad's house was built in a 1929 house and my dad's house has bad slants to the right and I know it’s the foundation and the support beams. He doesn’t have the money to have craw space support jacks put into raising it back up. I know u said about the weight of the leveler. so to make up the slanting side of the floor I’m not sure how many inches it is. So could I use 2x4 and scribe them into large shims lay them over the original plywood subfloor and then install new plywood on top of the made shims as the new subfloor to put the new floating floor
What about a cracked patio?
What do you think about using this over a aircrete slab
it can be poured over anything that is deemed structural. Cheers!
What about direct to concrete without primer?
So pouring leveler over concrete main floor slab does NOT require primer?
Do they know you’re working in the US right now for you tube ?lol
I’ve always wondered about the floor levels, great subject for this particular episode
Can you stain a floor that has been leveled?
I have unlevel on the concretes at corner of my garage right on the door both side Please help me to find the best material to fix it
What about vapour barrier under metal lath?
tile was not installed with greenboard and I have a mess as the individual did not level each tile as he went. What is the best way to fix?
how do I patch the small area on the OSB subfloor which is 1/8" dip down.
I realize I am late to the party, but can I use a leveler to level an OSB subfloor (primed) under a Flexstone acrylic shower pan, that is a foam bottom that gets adhered to the flooring?
Can I put floor paint or self levelling epoxy over this product? It's for a daylight basement, an unplanned project and I don't have the budget to lay down marmoleum or another flooring, so I would like to paint or epoxy over it to have a smooth , waterproof durable surface indefinitely.
Following this comment!
I currently have 1/2 plywood subfloor
(70’s) house. I’m going to install tile. Can I add 5/8 plywood to make it more structure?
that is a great plan. Cheers!
My house has 7/8 tung and groove boards instead of plywood as a sudfloor. Should I just put tucktap over all the seems before pouring a self leveler?
I would lay down a layer of 3/8 to provide a smooth clean and dry surface. then prime and pour.
People don't understand the amount of patch I'm about to dump on your floor before I install vinyl plank down. The prep is insane. I honestly think I'm about to elastomer athletic flooring in house. I create indoor running Tracks and they are way better than epoxy.
How would you decide whether to use floor leveler or slab jack a sloped garage floor?
It's a matter of how much material is needed to bring the floor to level. Most 50# bags will do 13-15 sq/ft @ 1/2"
Also, know that leveling will not prevent a slab from cracking. If it's less than 1" out of level, it might be worth leveling, especially if you plan on covering w/epoxy. The leveler isn't intended to be a finished floor like concrete.
It’s closer to a 3-4 inch drop over 20 feet, currently wth vinyl tile over asbestos tile, so new surface on top would be lovely one way or the other. @@honestlyforreal6304
if the slab is not structurally sound then repair it by using foam to lift it back in place. otherwise the leveler will crack anyway!
This was a good one ❤
Cheers Caleb!
Jeff…can you use floor leveler to make a table surface?
They have better mixes that are specific to countertops and table tops. I’m sure you could do it out of leveler, I’ve mad countertops on more than one occasion out of feather finish for customers budget reasons that I was never called back to and came out great. Whatever you decide to use, read through the manufacturer specs to ensure your design is consistent with the details in the specs for such a product. Good luck broskie!
If you vivrate the floor while pouring, better?
can help with the fast set. if you want perfection just use the 24 hr dry. it tools very smooth.
Wait a minute Jeff, you said Schlueter does allow Ditra as a uncoupling membrane but isn't Ditra Duo a waterproofing and uncoupling membrane??
Schluter says leveler under ditra/ditra heat is no problem, but they advise against putting leveler on top of ditra
That all depends who you are talking to at schluter. looks like they have changed their official position again on the use of one of their products. Companies do this often once they have tested something properly. Cheers my advice was outdated it seems.
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1907 house. Redoing bathroom floor on second floor. Carpet was glued to old tile (has asbestos). We removed the carpet and used kills to seal the floor for now. I’ve noticed the floor is sloped a bit toward tub. Tub is cast iron and we physically can’t remove plus we don’t want to touch the tiles because of the asbestos. Do we have to check structure then level? Or is slope ok and we just waterproof and pick flooring that works with the slope?
I have an 1800s house I am renovating. I would be worried it is sagging because of water damage. I would make sure no damage first, then see if you can safely jack it up underneath and maybe reinforce with sistering the joists. THEN use floor level. You will never get it 100% level. But if you just use the leveler on a weak floor it will crack eventually.
I would reinforce the structure using metal hangers and structural screws. then prime and pour leveler. as long as the slope is away from the door you can make it perfect.
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Can I put it on top of concrete?
I want to make it instead of polishing the concrete
Can you put the self leveler then put the primer on it so it doesn't get Dusty? Like to seal it so it doesn't get dust flying around
Sure. You would need to anyway if you wanted to add more floor leveler, You would also likely want to before you used anything with adhesive as well.
the leveler is a pretty solid substance. just not fit for traffic or it creates dust. I would think that using a sealer would be fine but wait a couple days for it to finish drying completely!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY great. Just saying to minimize the dust before putting flooring on it