It is absolutely brilliant. Jordan clearly allows us to see how a sociopath is created by his environment. At the same time he allows us to see a sociopath is able to change!
He didn't seem to twig about the one thing Michael feared the most was his father turning on him because of his mother's influence and then his father essentially doing that before the fateful sit down.
I respect Jordan massively more after this. Every single one of michaels interviews follows the same structure with (obvious) rehearsed answers on michaels end, yet JP’s analysis and deconstruction of everything he said and his background provided a different insight into Michael that we haven’t seen and forced different answers out of him for once. Love it
It's because Jordan is qualified to deconstruct Michael in a way most interviewers just can't his insight would of been of great value to Michael I am sure in a different setting this would cost Michael a decent chunk of change.
This is certainly an interview I didn't expect from Jordan but am glad he did. Franzese is a fascinating guy. The fact that he's not only still alive but rich and free is nothing short of amazing.
Hes a real anti hero. Something this world needs more of. Men whove come back from the hill of evil and returned to balance this world and its self righteous zealots whod see it all burn in the name of "good". A man who was able to stand on the fateful edge into the abyss and integrate his own shadow.
Definitely. This interview made me think about my morality and how I differentiate between good and evil. Lies, why I do it and what's family for me. Listening to different perspectives really makes you think. What a great interview that challenges your own beliefs and thoughts.
Yeah apparently he was fighting withdrawals, pneumonia AND C19 at the same time, regardless what age you are this would definitely leave you feeling and looking pretty reduced for a year or two!
@@nexustradinginstitution2548 Well it wasn't a interview per say, more like a session. In this case look at him as if he's like Dr.Phil for wiseguys (if I can borrow from Goodfellas).
@@nexustradinginstitution2548 in most interviews conducted by journalists or reporters I'd agree with you 100%. Imo, in this case, jordan is a psychologist, his insight and thoughts are 50% of the value of watching. He provides answers to questions posed. The other 50% of value comes from the subjects experience and thoughts about such. It's more than just entertainment, there are nuggets of truth that can apply to many. There was only a couple times jordan went on a tangent, and usually it pertains directly to the topic of discussion, and isnt particularly long winded. I wouldn't even call this a interview, it's a two way dialogue. Why watch if you don't want to hear him? Most of what Michael talked about I've already heard word for word in every interview of him.
This was amazing! I've followed Michael for a long time and that was the best interview he's ever done. JP asked real questions about HIM instead of the mob
@@danieljohnson2005 everyone always asks dumb questions. "What was John gotti like?" Or other stupid shit like that. You have a fully transformed human being in front of you and that's what you ask him? This was stellar. The way he explained Jesus and the apostles as men's men was something I had never heard from anyone and it was brilliant
One of the best interviews with Michael I have seen. This resembled more of a therapy session than an interview and he opened up about things that he has never mentioned in the past.
@paulcox9366 I didn't know Marvin Hagler but based on his life he was one of my favorite people on this Earth . I didn't know Jesus but based on his teachings he was one of my favorites as well. As far as me needed more people in my life you can only wish you had a life like mine and your comments reveal that maybe you need more people in your loser life. What a stupid remark to make . You don't have to know someone to know a lot about them just like I don't know you idiot but you revealed a lot about yourself .
I wasn't expecting this collaboration, but I am so happy that this collab has happen. Thank you, Jordan and Michael and the team, for making this happen.
You're comment made me think of something related that you might enjoy listening to. There is a CZcams channel by the name of Healthygamergg that does essentially therapy sessions with streamers and viewers and the like. I find it exciting to hear people's problems laid out and how the solutions seem to materialize as a result of being open to be vulnerable in front aof the therapist. Thought it'd leave this comment hear in case you were interested.
I've always enjoyed Michael's conversations on CZcams and I've also enjoyed Dr Peterson's conversations on CZcams both of y'all together it's just mind-boggling LOL you're doing great
Peterson - one of the most brilliant psychologists of our time - analyzing Franzese - an individual that experienced the most fascinating metamorphosis. What a treat! More interviews like this, please!
Yes it is a cult, 100%. Any time a Canadian college professor gets viewed by millions of people who commonly say that his insights about modern life are insightful- it is a cult each and every time! Nothing less, period!!!
To hear Jordan refer to Frank Mc’court’s book Angela’s Ashes in this video really made my day. I’ve long considered that book as one of the best books I’ve read and to see Jordan share that admiration is really refreshing in a wonderful way.
I find it impressive how the testimony of Michael Franzese's unique life, a story guided by Jordan's precise questions, leads to what JP has always say. The solution for a better life and implicitly for a better world is to be honest with ourselves, to always tell the truth, to be responsible, to always try to improve ourselves and the loyalty should stay where is love, not fear.
There aren't many ways to say how much this one interview has affected me inside where it really matters. God bless everyone and also God help us now. Thank you, JP
I am a Brazilian living in Germany, I just watched your interview with Mr. Michael. I want to thank you and Mr. Michael for the extraordinary interview. It was a fantastic experience.
Jordan can take apart a person's behavior step by step and you can understand the process at a very intelligent level almost to a point that he takes you through the journey of this man's life and you walk away smarter and how this can apply to your own life. This guy has a mind far better than most in his field
I’ve seen other interviews with this man but this was head and shoulders above all others and really got into the root of the psychology which ended up being more interesting than the subject matter which I didn’t expect. Very well done. As a side note: I’m really glad this man made it out. It’s clear to me his heart is good and in the end his good heart won out. Truly inspiring and I wish him well. Every passing day is another chance to turn it all around. And if this man could come out of this then none of us have an excuse. Thank you for sharing
I have watched several interviews with Michael Franzese. I am totally impressed with this man, extremely well spoken and genuine. Having spent 37 years in Canadian law enforcement I believe I am a good judge of character. This man has done so much good since leaving his previous life, I am so glad he did not waste 40 years in prison as his father did not recognizing it was his loyalty to the life that destroyed both him and his family.
Enjoyed the conversation. " Jordan; Did you ever get into fights as a youngster", Michael," I got into a few fights, scuffles, my ribs were broken once with a baseball bat,nothing major". Priceless. Michael, it is hard to believe you exited that lifestyle as you did. I commend you.
@@prod_by_walker808 sad but true, I know exactly what he means. I have been stabbed a couple of times ( luckily in my arm and leg), head split open with a bat, one of my ears bit off and a glass smashed in my face but I have never took a real beating. God bless 🙏
He has never drank alcohol or done drugs. Alcohol at any level is a poison to the body. I stopped drinking about 7 years ago occasionally I will drink once every few months. I am 34 now and people say I look 27. It is definitely living a healthy life and not drinking alcohol that then you see how people really should age. I probably actually look 39 compared to a person at 34 that has never drank alcohol. But to a frequent person that drinks alcohol regularly their entire life I look younger because they are aging there body more quickly in doing so. He looks like how a 73 year old should look but also he has always been slim, never overweight and his dad lived to a very old old age. Alcohol is poison so people just need to remember over the course of a lifetime you may be taking off 10-15 years of your life maybe even more.
Quite unexpected! Michael is always in control in his interviews. It is the first time I see Michael outside his comfort zone and _almost_ get emotionnal. It is like The Sopranoes concept of having a cosa nostra capo talking to a shrink 🙂
I’ve seen pretty much every podcast Micheal has been on, he is in control of every single one. I’m not sure what it is but he usually captivates the room and controls the conversation even on other peoples show. It’s funny I thought of the same thing with the sopranos scene.
This, the soft white underbelly and the mike tyson interviews are also good ones. They each make totally different questions, from different points of view. Totally recommended
@@facdoro978 Yes, they are very good as well. But those contain many of the same MF stories. Jordan really differs from the usual MF interviews with his questioning. I felt I learnt a lot more about Michael as a person here.
I have now watched this interview 3 times. I’m particularly enlightened by Jordan’s response where he quotes Leonard Cohen that, there’s no decent place in a massacre - with the point being that we put ourselves in a situation where we tell series of small seemingly harmless lies, only for us to eventually find ourselves having to deal with a bigger lie. Much thanks to Michael for being genuine and truthful - throughout the interview, I kept thinking that his wife has struck a jackpot cos this is a man whose word is his bond and is fiercely truthful and loyal. I admire that a lot.
I can listen to ANY interview with Michael Franzese in it. He's so interesting to me. His interview with Mike Tyson is one of the only hour and thirty minute videos I revisit from time to time. Can't wait to add this to the list
That ending on living in truth day-to-day…I can’t quite put my finger on it but I just needed to hear that today. Our legacy is defined by the choices of our life, leading up to that moment in time so to speak. Wise words.
I am astounded by this conversation. What an open honest encounter between two very open intelligent men. Loyalty to ones family is of the utmost importance to me and I will benefit from these words and thoughts.
My dad had drug problems. He left before I could remember. I don't remember him ever living with us. There were us three kids and my mom and we went hungry a lot. My dad went to jail for drugs when I was ten. Eventually he became addicted to cocaine. Eventually he was shooting up. He got arrested, but he came down with Hep. B. I spent my youth angry at the people who brought drugs into the community and sold them. These crime families would keep drugs away from their own kids, but they'd happily sell them to people whose families were destroyed by drugs. God have Mercy on all of us. Amen.
Yes, God have mercy on all of us! We need the Lord for eternity and in this evil world. So sorry to hear your story. My dad also made some choices that seriously hurt our family, but they were his choices, and he wouldn’t listen to reason or get help, he rejected God with a hardened heart, so he was prey for the enemy. We remember the choices people make. Nobody is holding us at gunpoint to take drugs. Liquor stores and casinos also happily sell a drug and a behavior that can destroy everything by our own choice to participate. We either step toward God or toward Satan.
I am so sorry about what you have to had to go through while growing up as a teenager after your Dad’s decisions had to put him away from you guys for such a long time. But have you ever asked him to tell you why he had to go down that lane knowing that you guys will suffer for his silly mistakes?
@@sprezzatura8755 Not true, they got that way around the late 70s. Prior to that, Luciano, Genovese, John Gambino, even Tony Carallo all sold heroin. It wasn't until harsh sentences were passed down they began to try and outlaw drugs. Many of them did it regardless, case in point John Gotti's crew.
God has brought Jordan Michael and me together. I was a herion addict for 25 years I have been clean from drugs 3 years and hopefully that will last forever. Thank you lord. Thank you Jordan and Michael for the renewed belief that life will be better. ❤️🙏
I’ve watched every available interview and podcast Mr. Franzese has done on CZcams, TV. This is him at his very best. I’ve never seen him seem so invested, so raw, so vulnerable. He’s spoken of things I’ve never heard him speak of. I don’t know when this interview was done but I just watched a 360 transformation in 90 min. God bless you both of you gentlemen. This was an amazing video. It replicates a therapy session or was that what I just watched? I gained so much from this personally.
I agree and am in a similar position. I am fans of both men. I believe the reason we see this very unusual Michael disclosure is because of who Jordan Peterson is. Many of Michael's statements I have heard very many times, however Jordan's high intellect and vast experience as a professor enables the discipline , tact , questions and preceptions that tease out the inner comfort and thoughts. Jordan has interviewed some very exceptional people, most of these people are incredible interviews. The more intelligent the person, in my experience , the better the interview. This one is no exception and certainly fascinating ! Thanks for posting !
@@furerorban9324 Whoa !! Merry Christmas to you too !! Thank you for commenting ! Just when we thought we had the nazis under control ,,,,, Nothing like some intelligent discourse to bring the out the really nasty trolls. Yikes !!
42:30 really got me, I went numb and cold for a minute there, thinking we just learned his Dad was a sociopath. I can’t imagine how he felt, if I myself died a little in my chair hearing it. Also the part where he tries to tell his little brother that it was his fault their Dad was back in prison… I hope he is one day able to understand that his brother was actually right and saw things more clearly than he did. This is a more common dynamic among oldest and younger siblings than you might think. I also think it was amazing how his loyalty ethos played out on all facets of his life- the ability to recognize that fear-based loyalty is superficial because you just follow whoever scares you the most and that can always change, versus love-based loyalty which endures all things. Simply fascinating. I also enjoyed learning that Giuliani, who mostly gets hate, really cleaned up NY in his own way. Wow. And lastly, I Lol’d hard when he said Catholics don’t read the Bible, just the Catechism. The Catechism is a book explaining everything the Catholic Church believes, it’s just helpful for studying the Faith for anyone curious. It could never ever replace the Bible, which gets read FOUR times, not once, on Sundays, and not only on Sundays but everyday because Catholics have Mass everyday, not just Sundays. Lol. Anyway, I’m glad for him that he found the faith even though he didn’t fully make it back home.
I got really emotional listening to this interview. Especially that part when Mr. Franzese talks about how he met his future wife and how she wait for him when he was in prison. He was really fortunate to meet someone like that.
Jordan, you gave him a tender and clear moment at right about 1:26:50 when you gave him grace by saying his loyalty to his father was indeed based on love. That was an exceptionally important moment that went by quickly, although you did break his emotional control because he accepted that grace. Good job sir.
I liked that comment about loyalty. That loyalty is controlled by either love or fear. When I was a kid, I grew up in rough area, my goal was to make friends with all the thugs, so I didn’t get targeted, bullied or beat on, and I found myself very loyal to them and made sure I went out when they asked and defended them as much as possible. Did horrible things that clearly wasn’t me and how my parents raised me. All because of fear.
He really didn't push much at all. I want the "man" to confess and be genuinely open about the meaty stuff, which ain't going to happen of course. I'd get in more trouble if I accidently stepped on someone's shoelaces, than some corrupted assholes who destroyed the life of too many people. Funny world eh
@@JonasAnandaKristiansson I agree in the sentiment somewhat! I wonder how much personal atonement he has made, with regards to reaching out to apologise or attempt to help those he harmed along the way. To see the light and live a godly and good life afterwards, doesn't mean much to those people if he did none of that. As for Jordan...I don't know if its his role on a public stage (maybe on a private one to one basis for counsel) to push and delve into his specific crimes and misdoings. Im sure the guy has to be very guarded of those for legal and even conscience related reasons...but for Jordan to be branching out and speaking to as many 'types' and taking in as many perspectives as he can, only helps to build his library of understanding of the human psyche..however much he may have fluffed over this guys original sins!
Wow! Thank you Jordan for conducting this interview! I have followed Michael for a few years now and I just love the brother! He has fascinating stories and does great interviews. He is doing a good work for the Kingdom no doubt. It’s awesome to have this fresh interview that allows us to see deeper into the heart and mind of Mr Franzese. I have also followed you for the past few years and have learned a grate deal from you about so many things and even things about myself. The way you frame questions and the way you articulate your thoughts and feelings really has helped me to better understand a subject or an individual or myself in such a deeper way. Thank you Jordan for the work you are doing sir and I pray blessings upon you and your family brother!
Such a compelling interview Jordan. I loved it. And I appreciate the deep questions you asked in such a sensitive and respectful way. Thank you for what you do and who you are.
Would love to see these two sync up and do another one of these in 12 months or so. Was a wonderful watch. I really enjoyed the end when JP and MF delved into deeper moral questions.
This is a must watch interview!! Michael was so forthright and vulnerable. I wish him and his family all the best. He did the work and deserves a happy life.
Amazing. You can really see JBPs experience as a psychotherapist here. He probably brought more out of Franzese than anyone else ever had, in terms of psychological insight.
This was an absolute spectacle of a psychologically analyzed conversation. You can only fully appreciate this if you understand the life to the fullest extent.
This is so freaking bizarre... Seriously I feel chills... Michael was probably nothing like Tony soprano but can't help feeling the same joy as watching the first episode of the sopranos. Don Franzese... Mafia Capo... Man of God... Going to therapy hehehehe. Life imitates art
Two people who I respect deeply. Thank you Jordan for your great ability to bring out Michael's story in such a profound and productive manner.. And Michael for your courageous life story and positive change. As someone who's been in the big house and solitary confinement, I understand some of the depths you fell into.. God bless you and your life.
Jordan, this interview with Michael was absolutely phenomenal in so many ways. After all of the conversations Michael has had on his own channel and with other people, you still pulled out more than anyone else. I know it was revealing and encouraging for both of you while at the same time entertaining and inspiring all of your listeners. This is definitely one for the ages.
Mr. Franzese miraculously endured and survived a perilous gantlet in the mafia by his wits and intelligence. And after all that looks amazing at 71 years old!
Is it true he left the mafia for good, though? Got a couple CZcams searches from his channel and dunno what their contents point to. Also, in 'responsibility and change', Dr. Peterson was confused about the denial. Dude told him his life. Dunno, but maps of meaning video 8 on my watch list.
At the very end of this interview you can see how much Michael likes hearing Jordan speak as much as we all do. This was great, thank you very much to both of you.
This was one of my all time favorite videos with Jordan Peterson. You can tell how much Jordan cares about people in moments like these. He brings out the humanity in people, and takes the time to actively listen. Those listening skills require both genuine care and many years of diligently working on communication skills. Jordan has developed amazing ability to debate and defend his positions. He also honors that incredible part of his agreeableness and genuine care for others. He sometimes talks about his agreeableness in a negative light. While it has its draw backs, it is one of my favorite things about him. He has some great skills to balance out the difficult aspects of being high in agreeableness. Thank you for producing this amazing content!
These 2 are the wisest CZcamsrs that I know period the amount of Wisdom you can take from hearing them talk is awesome. They really went to the good the bad and the ugly
I've followed Peterson's work for several years now. I discovered Michael about a year ago. Had no idea this interview existed until tonight. Fantastic interview. I have a much deeper understanding of Michael. I understand his struggle to protect. Jordan made an excellent point on lying to protect people. If you're forced to lie, then you waited too late to act or have been living a series of microlies for quite some time. In short, you brought on yourself. Valid point. I love the points Michael made about the Apostles and loyalty. I hadn't thought of it in that way, but it is true. People will lay down their lives for what they believe in.
My two favourite men! Been waiting for this interview to happen.. Jordans asking Michael all the questions I would want to ask him.. definitely one of my favourite interviews 👌
I just watched one of Michael Franzese's podcasts and I thought...wouldn't an exchange/interview/podcast between him and Jordan Peterson be great? Well, already happened, thanks gentlemen!
That was truly incredible to watch and unbelievably engaging 🙏the intellectual and sophisticated questions from Jordan and the incredible story of Mr franzese was a pleasure to be part of. I was glued to the screen it had 100% of my attention and that rarely happens 🤣🤦♂️I wish you both the best for the future 👍
Jordan, I know you probably never see this, but, it’s fantastic to see you have a conversation with someone and see you move them to examine themselves and their actions and experiences at a deeper level than they have in the past. And in the process, us who are watching, ask ours the same questions. Thank you.
I'm a School Psychologist, Educator and Clinical Practitioner. I LOVE to hear Jordan's lectures and podcasts but I have to say this has been one of his most interesting, gripping and compeling conversations , yet. Michael Franzese... I will remeber that name.
I love watching these videos, I grew up on Long Island and we were around the mafia all the time...Just listening brings me back to the old days...Keep them coming, Michael!...😊💕
This guy is 71 years old and in better shape than me at 23 😳
Because the last 2 generations are slow and lazy. You never went outside.
Then hit a gym
No joke..wow.
Right?? I had to Google his age just to be sure wtf
@@Ivkovifi he does look WAY better than most his age
Wow... never in a million years did I think these two would have ever had a semi-psychoanalytical interview together. Brilliant!
Why not ?
Why, both beta males talking about what it's like to be a man. Sissy with a rat, makes sense
yes, because this is the real thing that mob movies and Sopranos tried to represent
It is absolutely brilliant. Jordan clearly allows us to see how a sociopath is created by his environment. At the same time he allows us to see a sociopath is able to change!
@ksenobite the sopranos is more realistic then franzese
This is the interview of a lifetime. Two extraordinary men, two of my favorite guys on CZcams do an interview/podcast. Thank you both for this, 10/10
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100% I was going to say the exact same thing. The two most fascinating people I watch on youtube together. Amazing.
This is the most honest conversation I’ve seen in quite a long time. There was no ego or judgement, just honesty. Enlightening.
I love the fact that he humbled himself enough to ask for Jordan's honest advice on situations like lying and stealing
yeah didn't see that coming, and I think he took Jordan's answer to the telling the truth even more impactful than the stealing part. "Understood."
@@f33nx agreed
He's like 70.
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Jordan I must say this is an excellent display of how great of a psychoanalyst you are. And a great listener as well!
I been struggling a lot lately with emotions and internal conflict and other things and this interview gave me comfort.
He didn't seem to twig about the one thing Michael feared the most was his father turning on him because of his mother's influence and then his father essentially doing that before the fateful sit down.
I respect Jordan massively more after this. Every single one of michaels interviews follows the same structure with (obvious) rehearsed answers on michaels end, yet JP’s analysis and deconstruction of everything he said and his background provided a different insight into Michael that we haven’t seen and forced different answers out of him for once. Love it
It's because Jordan is qualified to deconstruct Michael in a way most interviewers just can't his insight would of been of great value to Michael I am sure in a different setting this would cost Michael a decent chunk of change.
He walked away after he snitched
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Thank you Mr. Peterson for making the interview available here.
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This is certainly an interview I didn't expect from Jordan but am glad he did. Franzese is a fascinating guy. The fact that he's not only still alive but rich and free is nothing short of amazing.
Hes a real anti hero. Something this world needs more of. Men whove come back from the hill of evil and returned to balance this world and its self righteous zealots whod see it all burn in the name of "good". A man who was able to stand on the fateful edge into the abyss and integrate his own shadow.
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I have no idea who this other Bucko is but 🔝🦞Dr. J is Good.
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This is a talk that could bring some people out of darkness. Great to see it happening.
Definitely. This interview made me think about my morality and how I differentiate between good and evil. Lies, why I do it and what's family for me. Listening to different perspectives really makes you think. What a great interview that challenges your own beliefs and thoughts.
Yeah I agree..if there willing to drop the ego bullshit then this could shine a wide light
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I'm so glad Jordan is looking healthier. I remember seeing him a year ago and was seriously concerned for his health.
Yeah apparently he was fighting withdrawals, pneumonia AND C19 at the same time, regardless what age you are this would definitely leave you feeling and looking pretty reduced for a year or two!
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Respect for sure … but his interview was kind of annoying.. he talks more then the person he interviews
@@nexustradinginstitution2548 Well it wasn't a interview per say, more like a session.
In this case look at him as if he's like Dr.Phil for wiseguys (if I can borrow from Goodfellas).
@@nexustradinginstitution2548 in most interviews conducted by journalists or reporters I'd agree with you 100%. Imo, in this case, jordan is a psychologist, his insight and thoughts are 50% of the value of watching. He provides answers to questions posed. The other 50% of value comes from the subjects experience and thoughts about such. It's more than just entertainment, there are nuggets of truth that can apply to many.
There was only a couple times jordan went on a tangent, and usually it pertains directly to the topic of discussion, and isnt particularly long winded. I wouldn't even call this a interview, it's a two way dialogue. Why watch if you don't want to hear him? Most of what Michael talked about I've already heard word for word in every interview of him.
this is one of the best episodes I've seen on Peterson's podcast, Michael really went deeper on more of his personal story
This was amazing! I've followed Michael for a long time and that was the best interview he's ever done. JP asked real questions about HIM instead of the mob
My thoughts exactly.
I especially liked the last 20 minutes, I think they really made Michael think!
That’s the psychologist in him. He’s clearly more interested in Michael’s psyche and why he did what he did and not the gory details.
@@danieljohnson2005 everyone always asks dumb questions. "What was John gotti like?" Or other stupid shit like that. You have a fully transformed human being in front of you and that's what you ask him? This was stellar. The way he explained Jesus and the apostles as men's men was something I had never heard from anyone and it was brilliant
@@brians7901 indeed. This is the 1st sit down he's had where he wasn't asked just that.
One of the best interviews with Michael I have seen. This resembled more of a therapy session than an interview and he opened up about things that he has never mentioned in the past.
What a great interview between two of my favorite people on this earth. So happy that Michaels life turned out like this .,.God Bless them both...
I could be mistaken but I don't think Jordan cares much about God
@@IthumpifyDoes it matter, I mean he always emphasises the importance of God and religion in general whenever given the opportunity.
How can people you don't even know be your " favourite people on earth" and one of them a stone cold criminal. 😂 You need more people in your life
@paulcox9366 I didn't know Marvin Hagler but based on his life he was one of my favorite people on this Earth . I didn't know Jesus but based on his teachings he was one of my favorites as well. As far as me needed more people in my life you can only wish you had a life like mine and your comments reveal that maybe you need more people in your loser life. What a stupid remark to make . You don't have to know someone to know a lot about them just like I don't know you idiot but you revealed a lot about yourself .
We really need more from this two. Dr.Jordan, can you have him again on your platform? Love watching a therapy like this unfold.😁
I wasn't expecting this collaboration, but I am so happy that this collab has happen. Thank you, Jordan and Michael and the team, for making this happen.
It was super weird.
This was gold
Agree!
It's was an obvious one for ages. He nagged PBD on his podcast for the connection.
A real life analyzed this
What a beautiful, heartfelt testimony of love and redemption. Thank you to you both, Dr. Peterson and Mr. Franzese.
@Briana Ankels Do you have any proof?n Do you know him?
What a conversation. Thank you so much for making this happen!
This is not an interview, it's a therapy session that is also helpful to people listening. So thank you both very much for this!
You're comment made me think of something related that you might enjoy listening to. There is a CZcams channel by the name of Healthygamergg that does essentially therapy sessions with streamers and viewers and the like. I find it exciting to hear people's problems laid out and how the solutions seem to materialize as a result of being open to be vulnerable in front aof the therapist. Thought it'd leave this comment hear in case you were interested.
SOOOO youre a mafia member lol got it
Felt the same. It's just made public kind of. But feels it's very personal session but still has a life lesson to all of us.
I was wondering the same thing
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You shouldn’t skip any second of this interview! Every second leads up to a deep dive into man’s heart.
I've always enjoyed Michael's conversations on CZcams and I've also enjoyed Dr Peterson's conversations on CZcams both of y'all together it's just mind-boggling LOL you're doing great
Captivating! This turned from an interview to a brilliant analytic/therapy session. No one does this better than Jordan Peterson!
Peterson - one of the most brilliant psychologists of our time - analyzing Franzese - an individual that experienced the most fascinating metamorphosis. What a treat! More interviews like this, please!
@@steven5054 Imagine thinking having an opinion on something is cultish.
Yes it is a cult, 100%. Any time a Canadian college professor gets viewed by millions of people who commonly say that his insights about modern life are insightful- it is a cult each and every time! Nothing less, period!!!
@@steven5054 He is literally one of the most cited psychologists in the world.
@U TooB Idk google it.
@U TooB 😂😂😂
To hear Jordan refer to Frank Mc’court’s book Angela’s Ashes in this video really made my day. I’ve long considered that book as one of the best books I’ve read and to see Jordan share that admiration is really refreshing in a wonderful way.
I find it impressive how the testimony of Michael Franzese's unique life, a story guided by Jordan's precise questions, leads to what JP has always say. The solution for a better life and implicitly for a better world is to be honest with ourselves, to always tell the truth, to be responsible, to always try to improve ourselves and the loyalty should stay where is love, not fear.
There aren't many ways to say how much this one interview has affected me inside where it really matters. God bless everyone and also God help us now. Thank you, JP
I am a Brazilian living in Germany, I just watched your interview with Mr. Michael. I want to thank you and Mr. Michael for the extraordinary interview. It was a fantastic experience.
Torço pra uma entrevista do marcola
Cool, Brazilians are offen great people. Very joyful and love to have fun/party. I am in germany too, close to Hamburg. Liebe Grüße Bruder;)
Jordan can take apart a person's behavior step by step and you can understand the process at a very intelligent level almost to a point that he takes you through the journey of this man's life and you walk away smarter and how this can apply to your own life. This guy has a mind far better than most in his field
Yes!!!!
This was nothing short of amazing! Incredibly interesting. Wow! Just wow!
I’ve seen other interviews with this man but this was head and shoulders above all others and really got into the root of the psychology which ended up being more interesting than the subject matter which I didn’t expect. Very well done. As a side note: I’m really glad this man made it out. It’s clear to me his heart is good and in the end his good heart won out. Truly inspiring and I wish him well. Every passing day is another chance to turn it all around. And if this man could come out of this then none of us have an excuse. Thank you for sharing
Anthony cumia's one was pretty good
Love it how Jordan is taking notes 😂 he is always assessing Michal, it’s like a sit down with a psychologist and his patient 😂 brilliant interview
It really did seem more like a therapy session than an interview
I have watched several interviews with Michael Franzese. I am totally impressed with this man, extremely well spoken and genuine. Having spent 37 years in Canadian law enforcement I believe I am a good judge of character. This man has done so much good since leaving his previous life, I am so glad he did not waste 40 years in prison as his father did not recognizing it was his loyalty to the life that destroyed both him and his family.
Really enjoying this therapy session-like format.
Please continue interviewing in this manner, Dr. Peterson. Thanks for all you do.
I never ever expected this to happen, I love Michael Franzese!
Enjoyed the conversation. " Jordan; Did you ever get into fights as a youngster", Michael," I got into a few fights, scuffles, my ribs were broken once with a baseball bat,nothing major". Priceless. Michael, it is hard to believe you exited that lifestyle as you did. I commend you.
-Gets rib broken with a bat- "Meh nothing major" I was mentally shocked when I heard that🤣
Well, real fights you are happy not not lose an eye or testicle
@@vb6548 amen
@@prod_by_walker808 sad but true, I know exactly what he means. I have been stabbed a couple of times ( luckily in my arm and leg), head split open with a bat, one of my ears bit off and a glass smashed in my face but I have never took a real beating. God bless 🙏
When you grow up taking beatings nothing really seems all that serious short of being murdered
This man is 71 years old, he Aged damn good! I hope when I get his age ( lord willing ) I age like he did.
you will
Have some good mozzarella and good extra virgin olive oil and you're on the right path!
Need good dentures.
He has never drank alcohol or done drugs. Alcohol at any level is a poison to the body. I stopped drinking about 7 years ago occasionally I will drink once every few months. I am 34 now and people say I look 27. It is definitely living a healthy life and not drinking alcohol that then you see how people really should age. I probably actually look 39 compared to a person at 34 that has never drank alcohol. But to a frequent person that drinks alcohol regularly their entire life I look younger because they are aging there body more quickly in doing so. He looks like how a 73 year old should look but also he has always been slim, never overweight and his dad lived to a very old old age. Alcohol is poison so people just need to remember over the course of a lifetime you may be taking off 10-15 years of your life maybe even more.
How did Jordan have a CZcams channel for nearly a decade and I'm only seeing this now?
Dude, same! I’m addicted but how did I just discover him now.
@@BB_Axolotl welcome : )
Its real just open your eyes...JP is doing his job.
Quite unexpected! Michael is always in control in his interviews. It is the first time I see Michael outside his comfort zone and _almost_ get emotionnal. It is like The Sopranoes concept of having a cosa nostra capo talking to a shrink 🙂
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He is a guest......
I’ve seen pretty much every podcast Micheal has been on, he is in control of every single one. I’m not sure what it is but he usually captivates the room and controls the conversation even on other peoples show.
It’s funny I thought of the same thing with the sopranos scene.
I did see that as well, you could see there was a point, maybe when he was talking about his father, where you could just almost see tears in his eyes
He actually said that in the Sopranos where Tony is talking to a shrink, in real life Tony would have been killed for that.
I'm pretty certain I have seen every interview there is with Michael Franzese on youtube there is. This is by far the best one I've seen yet.
I have to agree. He's a fascinating bloke but being questioned by JP made a huge difference.
@@joelhall5124 Definitely. JP was curious about Michael as a person, and not only his stories (albeit are great, no doubt).
Love the guy...
This, the soft white underbelly and the mike tyson interviews are also good ones. They each make totally different questions, from different points of view. Totally recommended
@@facdoro978 Yes, they are very good as well. But those contain many of the same MF stories. Jordan really differs from the usual MF interviews with his questioning. I felt I learnt a lot more about Michael as a person here.
You are so honest, Michael. You are a real man to admit " I don't know how I didn't faint"
Bless Your Heart
I have now watched this interview 3 times. I’m particularly enlightened by Jordan’s response where he quotes Leonard Cohen that, there’s no decent place in a massacre - with the point being that we put ourselves in a situation where we tell series of small seemingly harmless lies, only for us to eventually find ourselves having to deal with a bigger lie.
Much thanks to Michael for being genuine and truthful - throughout the interview, I kept thinking that his wife has struck a jackpot cos this is a man whose word is his bond and is fiercely truthful and loyal. I admire that a lot.
God I wish JP could be my clinical therapist. He blends his clinical background with interviewing so beautifully.
I can listen to ANY interview with Michael Franzese in it. He's so interesting to me. His interview with Mike Tyson is one of the only hour and thirty minute videos I revisit from time to time. Can't wait to add this to the list
Jordan really never lost his clinical practice. He's just doing talk therapy on another level. He's in his element here.
That ending on living in truth day-to-day…I can’t quite put my finger on it but I just needed to hear that today. Our legacy is defined by the choices of our life, leading up to that moment in time so to speak. Wise words.
I am astounded by this conversation.
What an open honest encounter between two very open intelligent men.
Loyalty to ones family is of the utmost importance to me and I will benefit from these words and thoughts.
My dad had drug problems. He left before I could remember. I don't remember him ever living with us. There were us three kids and my mom and we went hungry a lot. My dad went to jail for drugs when I was ten. Eventually he became addicted to cocaine. Eventually he was shooting up. He got arrested, but he came down with Hep. B.
I spent my youth angry at the people who brought drugs into the community and sold them. These crime families would keep drugs away from their own kids, but they'd happily sell them to people whose families were destroyed by drugs.
God have Mercy on all of us. Amen.
truth. Praying for our nation and the world
Yes, God have mercy on all of us! We need the Lord for eternity and in this evil world. So sorry to hear your story. My dad also made some choices that seriously hurt our family, but they were his choices, and he wouldn’t listen to reason or get help, he rejected God with a hardened heart, so he was prey for the enemy. We remember the choices people make. Nobody is holding us at gunpoint to take drugs. Liquor stores and casinos also happily sell a drug and a behavior that can destroy everything by our own choice to participate. We either step toward God or toward Satan.
I am so sorry about what you have to had to go through while growing up as a teenager after your Dad’s decisions had to put him away from you guys for such a long time. But have you ever asked him to tell you why he had to go down that lane knowing that you guys will suffer for his silly mistakes?
The old school mob bosses were absolutely against getting involved in the drug trade.
@@sprezzatura8755 Not true, they got that way around the late 70s. Prior to that, Luciano, Genovese, John Gambino, even Tony Carallo all sold heroin. It wasn't until harsh sentences were passed down they began to try and outlaw drugs. Many of them did it regardless, case in point John Gotti's crew.
Mike to Erma "I'm bringing some baggage into this relationship." Biggest understatement ever lol
Crazy story, this guy is a legend for coming out of that life alive.
2 very smart men. And I find it amazing listening to his story. God bless ☺️
God has brought Jordan Michael and me together. I was a herion addict for 25 years I have been clean from drugs 3 years and hopefully that will last forever. Thank you lord. Thank you Jordan and Michael for the renewed belief that life will be better. ❤️🙏
1 day at a time brother.
@@beardfistthegoldenone7273 have a great day 🙏
It's all in the company you keep. Gl
So glad to hear you’re free from your addiction. Lean on God and have faith He will keep you strong. God bless you my friend.
@@davidhayes5382 yea but you can do one last bundle ..c'mon . U no u wanna.....h.h. baby.h.h. baby...HE RON GIDDY up
It's a blessing to have J.P and M.F talking, thank you for making this happen. We hope to see more collaboration
WOW
A must watch for every human being, no matter what your morals or burdens in life have brought. The knowledge these two bring to the table.
WOW
I have to say this is probably THE MOST entertaining episode Jordan’s posted so far ! Great to see mike here getting interviewed by the best!
Franzese Is pleasant to listen to. He sure knows how to express himself clearly. Also appreciate his honesty and openness. Great interview!
I’ve watched every available interview and podcast Mr. Franzese has done on CZcams, TV. This is him at his very best. I’ve never seen him seem so invested, so raw, so vulnerable. He’s spoken of things I’ve never heard him speak of. I don’t know when this interview was done but I just watched a 360 transformation in 90 min. God bless you both of you gentlemen. This was an amazing video. It replicates a therapy session or was that what I just watched? I gained so much from this personally.
I agree and am in a similar position.
I am fans of both men.
I believe the reason we see this very unusual Michael disclosure is because of who Jordan Peterson is.
Many of Michael's statements I have heard very many times, however Jordan's high intellect and vast experience as a professor enables the discipline , tact , questions and preceptions that tease out the inner comfort and thoughts.
Jordan has interviewed some very exceptional people, most of these people are incredible interviews. The more intelligent the person, in my experience , the better the interview.
This one is no exception and certainly fascinating !
Thanks for posting !
This interview was 4 weeks ago.
What a fantastic review!
We’ll done.
Also, agreed👍
@@furerorban9324 Whoa !!
Merry Christmas to you too !!
Thank you for commenting !
Just when we thought we had the nazis under control ,,,,,
Nothing like some intelligent discourse to bring the out the really nasty trolls.
Yikes !!
...theat shuld be a 180 transformation for the love of geometry
Undisputed salute to you both Dr Perterson and Mr Franzese 👏 great conversation very educational and knowledgeable
42:30 really got me, I went numb and cold for a minute there, thinking we just learned his Dad was a sociopath. I can’t imagine how he felt, if I myself died a little in my chair hearing it. Also the part where he tries to tell his little brother that it was his fault their Dad was back in prison… I hope he is one day able to understand that his brother was actually right and saw things more clearly than he did. This is a more common dynamic among oldest and younger siblings than you might think. I also think it was amazing how his loyalty ethos played out on all facets of his life- the ability to recognize that fear-based loyalty is superficial because you just follow whoever scares you the most and that can always change, versus love-based loyalty which endures all things. Simply fascinating. I also enjoyed learning that Giuliani, who mostly gets hate, really cleaned up NY in his own way. Wow. And lastly, I Lol’d hard when he said Catholics don’t read the Bible, just the Catechism. The Catechism is a book explaining everything the Catholic Church believes, it’s just helpful for studying the Faith for anyone curious. It could never ever replace the Bible, which gets read FOUR times, not once, on Sundays, and not only on Sundays but everyday because Catholics have Mass everyday, not just Sundays. Lol. Anyway, I’m glad for him that he found the faith even though he didn’t fully make it back home.
I got really emotional listening to this interview. Especially that part when Mr. Franzese talks about how he met his future wife and how she wait for him when he was in prison. He was really fortunate to meet someone like that.
Jordan, you gave him a tender and clear moment at right about 1:26:50 when you gave him grace by saying his loyalty to his father was indeed based on love. That was an exceptionally important moment that went by quickly, although you did break his emotional control because he accepted that grace. Good job sir.
1:26:35...
I liked that comment about loyalty. That loyalty is controlled by either love or fear. When I was a kid, I grew up in rough area, my goal was to make friends with all the thugs, so I didn’t get targeted, bullied or beat on, and I found myself very loyal to them and made sure I went out when they asked and defended them as much as possible. Did horrible things that clearly wasn’t me and how my parents raised me. All because of fear.
What an interview! What high level of charisma they have.
Thanks a lot for both of you
Jordan continues to push the boundaries in debate!
Free Speech and truth available for everyone! 👍
Keep it up Dr Peterson and thanks!
Elon needs to get JP back on Twitter!
He really didn't push much at all. I want the "man" to confess and be genuinely open about the meaty stuff, which ain't going to happen of course.
I'd get in more trouble if I accidently stepped on someone's shoelaces, than some corrupted assholes who destroyed the life of too many people. Funny world eh
@@JonasAnandaKristiansson I agree in the sentiment somewhat! I wonder how much personal atonement he has made, with regards to reaching out to apologise or attempt to help those he harmed along the way. To see the light and live a godly and good life afterwards, doesn't mean much to those people if he did none of that. As for Jordan...I don't know if its his role on a public stage (maybe on a private one to one basis for counsel) to push and delve into his specific crimes and misdoings. Im sure the guy has to be very guarded of those for legal and even conscience related reasons...but for Jordan to be branching out and speaking to as many 'types' and taking in as many perspectives as he can, only helps to build his library of understanding of the human psyche..however much he may have fluffed over this guys original sins!
@@vincentsmith8328 Agreed, beautiful
Astounding interview. This needs to be made into a movie. Superb!
Wow! Thank you Jordan for conducting this interview! I have followed Michael for a few years now and I just love the brother! He has fascinating stories and does great interviews. He is doing a good work for the Kingdom no doubt. It’s awesome to have this fresh interview that allows us to see deeper into the heart and mind of Mr Franzese. I have also followed you for the past few years and have learned a grate deal from you about so many things and even things about myself. The way you frame questions and the way you articulate your thoughts and feelings really has helped me to better understand a subject or an individual or myself in such a deeper way. Thank you Jordan for the work you are doing sir and I pray blessings upon you and your family brother!
Such a compelling interview Jordan. I loved it. And I appreciate the deep questions you asked in such a sensitive and respectful way. Thank you for what you do and who you are.
Would love to see these two sync up and do another one of these in 12 months or so. Was a wonderful watch. I really enjoyed the end when JP and MF delved into deeper moral questions.
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A real glimpse into what Jordan would have been like as a clinical psychologist back in the day with this one. Great interview.
I just love how they are able to listen and wait till the other is finished speaking. Learnt so much. Amazing men having a proper conversation.
This is a must watch interview!! Michael was so forthright and vulnerable. I wish him and his family all the best. He did the work and deserves a happy life.
Mike is such a great story teller. This meeting had to happen.
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All stories. Mikey was a nobody.
Amazing. You can really see JBPs experience as a psychotherapist here. He probably brought more out of Franzese than anyone else ever had, in terms of psychological insight.
This was an absolute spectacle of a psychologically analyzed conversation. You can only fully appreciate this if you understand the life to the fullest extent.
Wow, I never ever heard of this guy before until today. Definitely truthful testimony I was very impressed God bless him
Masterclass interview from both fronts. Michael is a fascinating, genuine, humble man. A man with honor. Jordan is spectacular.
I’ve listened to a lot of Michael and this is the deepest he’s ever gone. Thank you Jordan for the masterclass interview
This is so freaking bizarre... Seriously I feel chills...
Michael was probably nothing like Tony soprano but can't help feeling the same joy as watching the first episode of the sopranos.
Don Franzese... Mafia Capo... Man of God... Going to therapy hehehehe.
Life imitates art
Two people who I respect deeply. Thank you Jordan for your great ability to bring out Michael's story in such a profound and productive manner.. And Michael for your courageous life story and positive change.
As someone who's been in the big house and solitary confinement, I understand some of the depths you fell into..
God bless you and your life.
Jordan, this interview with Michael was absolutely phenomenal in so many ways. After all of the conversations Michael has had on his own channel and with other people, you still pulled out more than anyone else. I know it was revealing and encouraging for both of you while at the same time entertaining and inspiring all of your listeners. This is definitely one for the ages.
The ethos, the humility and the simplicity of Michael are what does it for me.
Franzese seems like an incredibly well adjusted and smart guy. The “real me” is the guy doing what it takes to be a survivor.
I needed this. Thank you Michael Franzese and Jordan Peterson.
Mr. Franzese miraculously endured and survived a perilous gantlet in the mafia by his wits and intelligence. And after all that looks amazing at 71 years old!
Is it true he left the mafia for good, though? Got a couple CZcams searches from his channel and dunno what their contents point to.
Also, in 'responsibility and change', Dr. Peterson was confused about the denial. Dude told him his life. Dunno, but maps of meaning video 8 on my watch list.
@@harishkumargujudhur2234 wtf are you talking about?
@@sloth316 he’s laced bro 🤣
71??? I thought he was in his late fifties! No wonder the timelines were confusing!
@@itsacarolbthing5221 that’s what happens when you don’t use drugs or drink
At the very end of this interview you can see how much Michael likes hearing Jordan speak as much as we all do. This was great, thank you very much to both of you.
This interview and conversation was phenomenal and fascinating. Thank you!
I absolutely love this interview. I will listen to it again. Dr. Persons, I will catch on other interviews for sure.
This was one of my all time favorite videos with Jordan Peterson.
You can tell how much Jordan cares about people in moments like these. He brings out the humanity in people, and takes the time to actively listen. Those listening skills require both genuine care and many years of diligently working on communication skills.
Jordan has developed amazing ability to debate and defend his positions. He also honors that incredible part of his agreeableness and genuine care for others. He sometimes talks about his agreeableness in a negative light. While it has its draw backs, it is one of my favorite things about him. He has some great skills to balance out the difficult aspects of being high in agreeableness.
Thank you for producing this amazing content!
These 2 are the wisest CZcamsrs that I know period the amount of Wisdom you can take from hearing them talk is awesome. They really went to the good the bad and the ugly
I am literally loving this interview. Two very strong minded and grounded men, inteligent conversations... love this
I've followed Peterson's work for several years now. I discovered Michael about a year ago. Had no idea this interview existed until tonight. Fantastic interview. I have a much deeper understanding of Michael. I understand his struggle to protect. Jordan made an excellent point on lying to protect people. If you're forced to lie, then you waited too late to act or have been living a series of microlies for quite some time. In short, you brought on yourself. Valid point.
I love the points Michael made about the Apostles and loyalty. I hadn't thought of it in that way, but it is true. People will lay down their lives for what they believe in.
My two favourite men! Been waiting for this interview to happen.. Jordans asking Michael all the questions I would want to ask him.. definitely one of my favourite interviews 👌
I just watched one of Michael Franzese's podcasts and I thought...wouldn't an exchange/interview/podcast between him and Jordan Peterson be great? Well, already happened, thanks gentlemen!
That was truly incredible to watch and unbelievably engaging 🙏the intellectual and sophisticated questions from Jordan and the incredible story of Mr franzese was a pleasure to be part of. I was glued to the screen it had 100% of my attention and that rarely happens 🤣🤦♂️I wish you both the best for the future 👍
I love seeing the humble side of Jordan again, who loves listening and asking great questions.
Jordan, I know you probably never see this, but, it’s fantastic to see you have a conversation with someone and see you move them to examine themselves and their actions and experiences at a deeper level than they have in the past.
And in the process, us who are watching, ask ours the same questions.
Thank you.
I'm a School Psychologist, Educator and Clinical Practitioner. I LOVE to hear Jordan's lectures and podcasts but I have to say this has been one of his most interesting, gripping and compeling conversations , yet. Michael Franzese... I will remeber that name.
I love watching these videos, I grew up on Long Island and we were around the mafia all the time...Just listening brings me back to the old days...Keep them coming, Michael!...😊💕
Hi Guys. I’m 73 and don’t cry! This interview bought tears to my eyes. Thank you both!!
Thank you for sharing, Mike. It's a damn good interview.
My day just got way better, thank you for going through and creating this