Delayed Shifting, Honda Transmission
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2024
- My daughters 2003 Honda Element developed a delayed shift going into 3rd gear. The problem was intermittent.
In this video I walk you though the steps of my diagnosis and offer advice on what to do if your Honda isn’t shifting properly. I hope you find the information useful.
Thanks for watching!
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0:00 Intro
0:22 Test Drive 1
1:58 Honda Automatic Transmission Overview
3:16 Removal
5:08 Solenoid Location
6:39 Testing
9:35 Filter Location
11:03 2nd Test Drive
12:18 New Solenoids Installed
12:44 Filter Replacement
14:49 Final Test Drive
16:21 Solenoid Dissection
17:32 Filter Dissection
18:49 Summary
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Greetings! Those 5 sided inserts are actually adjustable to increase/decrease activation pressure. A company called Sonnax makes the tool and describes what A and B control, and how adjusting them will affect performance. I actually have a 2002 MDX with a 2nd to 3rd shift issue. Turned solenoid A up a quarter turn and bingo.
I have the exact same problem with my 08 Honda Pilot except it's 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd gears. You think that this is also the solenoid or something else? Also, what does it mean to simply "turn the solenoid? I'm not mechanically inclined at all. Thanks!
Hey I'm just getting started with this repair but where is the adjuster? I'm looking for a 5 sided insert but still no idea.
This comment is absolute gold
The knowledge of this would have saved possibly thousands of people's car
What do you mean by 5 sided inserts?
FINALLY! A mechanic feels the clients frustration when he can’t replicate the problem 😂 Never thought I would live enough to see this day
I always saw that when i worked on automotive. I worked for a Ford, a mercedes and a chrysler dealer. Me and my colleagues got frustrated many times trying to replicate customers' complaints.
@@Kevin09210 when I got my new Honda to the dealer for warranty repairs it was always “Cannot Duplicate”
@@ItsAlive111 they were probably just lazy fucks that dont really care about their job and didnt want to work on your car because it would take long. They probably wanted a fast job to get paid. I also learned that to be a good technician you have to be an enthusiast as well. Otherwise, they wont give a rat's ass about anybody's car.
Happens frequently
Mechanic are like car salesman. Most likely their crooked.
As complex as transmissions are, it is nice to find an easy fix for one kind of problem. What a fine description of the problem!
Greetings from the future! This actually fixed my problem for my 2001 Honda crv. Thank you.
When you were bench testing the solenoids with the power probe, you could hear a definite difference in sound between the two solenoids.
Which two, and why?
Congrats, your ears work.
Eric, you're awesome. I've learned so much from you through the years. Thank you buddy, keep on keeping on
You're a great dad for helping with your daughter's car. I wish my dad helped out.
I helped my daughter years back 👍🏻 one ice road night a car hit her 91’ Honda accord
Parked on the curb & a car hit the front end bad enough
That the insurance company
Totaled it 😳I bought it back and replaced all front end parts from the Junk yard 👍🏻 saved it . Same color too 👍🏻
@@jimmysapien9961whatcha want a gold Starr🤣
I don't own a Honda but i watch your videos because they're fun and informative and you're awesome!
so glad i just had this video fall into my lap! so to speak. I have an 07 element with 180k on the clock and it 100% has a delayed shift at times and I think this is definitely my problem! Great video no doubt, as a fairly seasoned tech most videos are difficult for me to watch, but I had no issues at all watching yours. You are great in front of the camera and obviously super knowledgeable! That transmission fluid is great as well, glad to see a second, reliable option! thank you sir!!
Had a similar issue on my 03 Accord EXV6 coupe. Changing out the ATF warmer filter and checking the banjo oil jet bolt. For particles of broken filter materials. And changing out the fluid and lastly checking the A/B linear solenoid. Helped it. After it was fixed sold it for Newer Sedan model. Great car it was
Easy fixes are always nice instead of transaxle replacement. I agree that sometimes resistance measurements are not always definitive. Solenoid may just be weak or slightly binding in the bore.
I have an 05 element the same color lol. I truly enjoy your videos and they are quite helpful. I watched your element/crv video to help me with the valve adjustments. They were all over the place. Thank you again.
Just wanted to take this time to thank you for all the knowledge and heads up on the alternative tranny fluid. Saved me alot of money not having to go to the dealership! I have an '03 2.4 accord and its pretty much same stuff different vehicle. Thanks again! 🍻
Eric the car guy "the man" over 20 years of watching your videos thank you for everything
I just did a bunch of work to my friend's '08 Honda Element, her rig had 145K miles on it, did a trans service after the dreaded starter change and used Honda OEM filter and DW1 ATF, bought a case and flushed out the old nasty fluid(which looked like coffee)by taking off the trans cooler line before the filter, used a length of 3/8" clear hose and pumped it into a 3 gallon clear plastic jug 2 qts. at a time, shut engine off/refilled again until I ran 8 qts thru it or new ATF visible in the clear hose. Install new filter after doing the service and add 3 qts to sump, warmed up fluid as per factory manual and set fluid level at the full mark.
This gets all the nasty old oil out of the converter and does not harm the trans, just make sure to immediately shut off engine if you see any bubbles in the clear hose while draining! This car's trans shifts about 75 to 100% better as a result!
Thanks for the great tutorial on this car! Previous videos have been very helpful, especially the starter R/R on these cars!
Before I even watched the video I suspected a possible corroded ground might be responsible for the solenoids malfunctioning. Just like Eric mentioning the "stronger" starter response, a bad ground increases resistance and can cause a lot of havoc with electrical systems. I've replaced that same ground wire on both of my Elements (03 & 06) because they were in just as bad shape because I was having VTEC issues - another system that relies on proper solenoid operation. Regardless, ETCG produces another high quality and informative video. Thanks again!
Miss you bro !! Hope all is well Eric !! About to do this job myself. You are a blessing my dude !! Love from western Ma.
You're driving around my neighborhood! 😁👍
Great video, Eric. 🦅🇺🇸
Solenoid coils in the early stages of failure may test okay when they're cool and on the bench, but they get weird when they're hot from being energized for extended periods.
Exactly!
This is a very good description... Yes.. Very good one..
Hi Eric. Been watching your channel for a long time now. Just wanted r
to give you a shout out that because of your experience, I have been a more productive in helping me diagnose car issues. Car Care Nut, Dan the Scanner, South Main Auto, Chrix Fix and Scotty Kilmer are my go to guys in Car care repair. Thanks again!!
Always awesome when we fix things and it's the correct fix especially since we may not know the exact problem all the time Good work Nice video @EricTheCarGuy
Great work like always. I ordered the vice jaws. Thank you for linking those.
This one was a must see given the transmission in my 04 TSX (remember me mentioning about second gear delayed shifting sometimes?) I'm going to start out by replacing the transmission fluid and will go from there. I will keep you updated. Thanks for an awesome video!
I’d change the transmission fluid in the pan and install an aftermarket transmission cooler. Heat and dirty fluid is what kills transmissions.
Always love the element content
Excellent video. Helps to explain similar problem with my wife's 2005 CRV. Thx.
Really love the videos here, especially the ones concerning the older Honda vehicles. I have a 2002 Accord (S86) that had belonged to my late father-in-law. I like this car very much and had been sending it for regular maintenance and repairs every time there's any sort of problem. Had also got it repainted last month, plus four new Michelins. It's `only' 2,000 cc (high road tax here in Malaysia for bigger cc engines) but there's enough power.
The automatic transmission they used with the 3.0 liter V6 of that generation was a time bomb, so your low displacement is a blessing in disguise.
@@MediumHalf dont think malaysia had our widebody accord
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Thanks so much. This was very helpful. My element was banging from 2nd to 3rd. Went to the junkyard to pull one from another 05 element swapped it and shift now like a dream. Thought I was going to had to replace the full transmission
I have an Aisin AWTF-80 SC transmission, it has the same exact problem, when shifting into 3rd flares a bit. I thought this was the normal operating so I didn't really care about it, in fact I drove about 60k miles with this issue. But now I will get it check out for sure! Thanks!
Awesome video Eric. Great explanation !!!!!
Wow this video fell into my lap at the perfect moment, thank you!
Hey Eric , I noticed how humble you are now compared to 12 years ago . keep the videos coming , they are very educating . thanks
It’s because Derek from VVG set the standard. 😉😎
Oil pressure on the camshaft phaser. However you’re the best mechanic on CZcams. My f150 was doing the same thing and the threw up the code P0349. I was a quart low. Changed oil and it quit.
Hello Eric, my 2000 Civic is doing the same thing I will try those trouble shooting methods thanks I appreciate you!
Thanks for your video. I had the exact same problem but much much more severe. The 1-2 shift would have a hesitation of about a second and then would literally slam hard into second once it shifted. The 2-3 shift was even worse. The hesitation was more like 3-4 seconds and you would have to carefully feather the gas to get it to shift w/o first over revving the engine. I was able to get ahold of another used pair of shift solenoids and replaced them exactly as you did and now the car shifts like it was new. I want to add that my Element has 407K actual miles on it and this is a testament to how tough built these transmissions are! I was very fearful I was in for a trans replacement but in under an hour of labor that problem is now a ting of the past. Thanks again.
Hi, my Honda Element 2005 had the same problem. The solution was the same. Best wishes from Russia!
Thank you Eric I always love and appreciate watching your wonderful videos I am watching from South Africa
Thank you!
Thank you, I had the same problem, Honda Civic 2008, and I changed the same parts, and now the car is good ❤❤
Great video, Eric. My 2000 Honda Civic (project car) had been stored for 7 years before I rebuilt the front end from an accident. After getting it back on the road, I experienced this and splippage between 2nd and 3rd gear. I was told that it was most likely due to the clutch plates drying out from sitting so long, and that it would go away. I've driven it for a year now. The slippage has mostly gone away, but I still get the same delay and surge into 3rd gear as you demonstrated. I'll check the car out now and see if that will fix it. Thanks for always educating and showing how it's done.
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I have a 8th gen civic and I have weird wubble on 2nd and first shift while driving slow
@@adrianlugo1130 did you fix it?
@@Amahyze777 nah did you? I haven't taken it to a mechanic yet
Am having the exact same issue. Thanks Eric
You are an excellent mechanic!
After reading almost my whole service manual and seeing "write your radio code down" about 1000 times I've come to the realization that you are infact a service manual with legs and wrench twisters.
I agree Eric is awesome, I've learned quite a bit too.
Nice video Eric , I've tried lucas stop slip and new fluid before but only fixes it temporarily
Very helpful. Thank you Eric!
Good evening brother, my mom is having the same trouble with her 01 Honda Civic! Out of nowhere yesterday she just was struggling to shift!. I ordered a transmission shift Solenoid from Amazon! I’ll be installing it this week. Hope it works!
Great video! Thanks. Found out my solenoids were good, but the little screens on the pipes running into the transmission were plugged. Cleaned them out and problem gone.
My 2008 accord v6 had familiar issues when it tried to shift from 2nd to 3rd at low rpm. I could feel the jerkings and sluggish. First, i thought of those selonoids and planned to clean them but decided to check sparkplugs and battery first. It was not the battery but those sparkplugs. Found number 1 sparkplug really loose but clean and number 4 sparkplug loose with oil residue at the body (not the threads). Took them out and cleaned all sparkplugs and reinstalled fixed the issue. If that didn't work, i would go for those selenoids next and probably front right and front engine mounts next. Thanks for your video as always.
I have a 2003 Element with 200K on it. Owned since new. By far the best car I have ever owned.
My Element hold the first to second shift along with a high pitch whine. I think it is the shift solenoid.
All maintenance was done on time or early including numerous automatic fluid and filter changes by the dealer or my very good Honda mechanic (the fluid and filter changes are cheap and easy so why not?).
Last week I changed the original coils (third cylinder was throwing an occasional misfire. I bought OEM Denso coils and replaced the second set of plugs since new with new OEM NGK plugs. Wow! The car runs so much better and it seems the transmission shifts better (might be my hopeful mind). Sadly the delayed shifting from first to second is still there.
Did you ever get it resolved? If so, what was the fix?
Great video Eric as always. Does a Air assist control valve have to be used or can it be bypassed? Thanks and Be well 🙏
could have been the solenoids sticking a bit when getting side loaded with having to operate while dealing with fluid pressure.
That explains a lot
My transmission has some gears a bit too used,so in auto,my element shifts really hard and kicks a lot,but when I shift it myself,no problem,wethever I do
It’s funny that this video came out when it did. My 2017 ridgeline started shifting strangely, almost exactly like this, a couple weeks ago and even got stuck in third gear and wouldn’t shift until I turned it off and started it up again. Thankfully if this is what the issue is, it’s way cheaper than a new transmission. But still, it’s irritating that they haven’t come farther with their transmissions and still have the same issues. It was interesting to learn that about their auto trannys!
i really enjoy your videos no crap just really good content i can learn from thanks so much
Thank you!
Always clean the electrical contacts w/ a good cleaner. At some point you need to recheck all the electrical grounds. Nice info!
Great that you fixed the issue, thanks for sharing! The external transmission filter is in a really interesting spot, do you have any idea why it wouldn't have been put in the same location as the 2.4L (K24) Accords? I believe those cars used basically the same engine as what's in that Element, and the trans filters in those were far easier to access, they were right under the intake piping and could easily be swapped by popping the drivers side wheel off and getting to them from there. Mainly just curious more than anything.
Anyways, thanks again, very informative video :)
Eric, the newer v6s run an entire secondary valve body, but only the pressure switches are changeable. The solenoids are part of the unit. We do a lot of those on RDX's including the 3X flushes for torque conv judder. The four cylinders are all different with their transmissions pressure switches/solenoids between Honda/Acura
I have a 2017 rdx and had the same issue the dealer gave me a new transmission and i still have rough shifting in 3rd gear. Had to change $1000 in transmission oil changes (4 appointment) to get the new free transmission and issue still persist.
I had a P0741 code before. What could be the root cause. Also my transmission clunks when i shift from park to drive.
we love your videos. very informative, what is the most reliable compact car or just a reliable first car for my son.. thank you sir for your suggestions.
Very helpful. This 'high probability' is happening on my acura 1999 4 banger. If the filter is outside to, going to change that too.
Love when you do Honda videos
This was very useful! I have a 2006 Element with the exact same issue! Now I know how to fix it! Thank you!
Did it?
My Acura MDX is doing the same. Thanks for the tip
Awesome video I will be making this repair to my Honda Element.
05 Pilot, not going past 10mph & hard shifting. Replaced A/B Solenoid, back to normal driving speed. Hard shifting on 3rd... Replaced 3rd & 4th Transmission Pressure Switch 28600-P7W-003 & 28600-P7Z-003. Good to go!
Thanks for sharing Eric
Great video! I’m currently going through this on my 06 Honda Civic. It’s noticeable when I drive my car not warmed up.
Hey Eric, thank you for the videos as always, I'm super lucky you're into Elements so I can take care of mine. My E has a hard downshift from 5-4. Info online is limited on these solenoids. Is it safe to say that the single solenoid on the top of the transmission is the one that controls these upper gears and should be examined?
My new to me 07 Element had a bad ground cable like yours, the dealership only wanted like 30 bucks for a new cable so I went for it.
Good info. Thanks!
This was extremely helpful, my 1998 auto integra slips going into 3rd and 4th too but 1st to 2nd is just fine
Did it work
What helped?
What a great video!!!!!!
Strange, working on my element today as well, came across that filter had a small leak nothing crazy! And it fixed my damn flashing d light
Great Video! My 04 Acura MDX has similar issue on cold start in first gear. The transmission has multiple solenoid's. How do you determine which one is at fault?
ETCG Eric, Eric, GOD help U Eric, and respect from NYC -Brookly 🤝👍🥰
You do it correctly. Proud to see that :)
Thank you, a great repair and a very interesting video. Just wondering, would a scan tool have helped to pinpoint the problem? If so, then it may be something to investigate prior to swapping the solenoid.
No codes stored and the scan tool will not show the voltage for the solenoids.
I've only had two of my Honda V6 automatic transmissions needing a rebuild. I was quite surprised that a solenoid solved the issue. As you implied, that was unlikely.
If those were V6 transmissions, I'm not surprised at all. As I said in the video, the 4 cylinder automatics rarely have issues. Thanks for the comment.
THANKS FOR THE INFO👍
Really Idemitsu makes Subaru Oils also. Cool Thanks Eric!
Thanks Eric, you da man!
Thank you for your helpful tip.
Great video Eric... I have a 2004 Accord 4 cylinder. I was always told they did not have replaceable filters. Do they all have that? You did show on the fixing it forward Odyssey that filter. However, never saw an in line one like that. Thank you for your hard work.
Honda manuals officially says they aren’t serviceable which makes no sense because they clearly are.
very informative, thanks a lot!
Be soooo thankful the solenoids are outside now. Back in the day when Honda first went to electrically powered solenoids, they stupidly put them inside the transmission. When I questioned the instructor/techs about this bad move they tried to convince me it was a good idea. My response, they will be outside shortly,,, just wait for it.
2000 Accord 2.3 ULEV, sounds like the solution. Thanks
Thanks for your videos 👍
Eric the car guy I love the experience use to solve this issue. Am working on a v6 engine of Honda Ridgeline I think you solution will solve mine
thank youuuuuu! I had my car to all different mechanics! it's been going on since I owned it 3 years! no one could figure it out because it didn't do it all the time! I was ucking determined. ! to figure it out!! I got 182000 miles on it and it still drives like a dream. except for that hesitation between 2 n 3! I didn't wanna give it up. if it was the trans and I had it checked they said nothing is wrong with it. there's something wrong with it. a new trans I would have to have given her up! your a god sent knight in shining armor to damsel in distress.
I have a 99 accord v6 with the same issue. I will for sure try some of this! Thank you!
As I said in the video, this is less likely to work with V6 automatics. Good hunting.
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I have this exact problem with my 03 Accord and am sure it's the solenoids as well. OEM are really expensive as mentioned in the video. How did the ebay one hold up? Has anyone else had good or bad luck with ebay refurbished solenoids? Thank you for this video.
That flare before third gear is exactly what I have with my 2016 accord coupe v6 once in a blue moon
HEY ERIC! I just want to say thank you for all of your videos and especially your Element videos. I recently made an impulse decision to buy a running and driving element for $850 with 196k miles after watching this video. All it did was bang really hard into 2nd gear and then drove amazing. Unfortunately, I did not have the same luck as you did with Ebay. I bought an aftermarket one and i installed everything correctly and properly and as soon as I mounted everything back together, the "D" light was flashing and got a P0970 code and it would not shift into 2nd gear. I am working on getting a replacement part from the seller, but in the meantime, I purchased known good-used part from another seller. and if that does not work, I am going for OEM.
I have the same problem. How did you make out?
@@pajo2012 i gotta go for OEM. Same issue with the replacement i purchased.
Great video and advice, unfortunately no luck for me.
On my 3rd solenoid and 2nd transmission fluid change, still rough shift 1st to 2nd.
Replaced my solenoid from the bottom every time, way easier than the top.
Great video
The video's are good .very informative.
I just picked up a 2004 honda odyssey with 114k on original transmission. So far have done two ATF changes, changed inline filter on top of transmission. Today I am adding a Tru-cool 4544 transmission cooler. The transmission is working fine rite now but I read some threads highly recommending doing the things I have done. Oh and I'm using Valvoline ATF max life Red jug.
I had a 2003 Odyssey with the failure prone tranny. Mine was original and it went 360k and the dealership was amazed every time I brought it in which was rare. I did the exact same as you but also added a magnefine ATF filter and used Amsoil ATF, the Valvoline you used is just as good in my opinion. I also added a half can of Lubegard Red to every ATF change. I changed ATF yearly and changed magnefine filter every 15-30k. I also drove it like a minivan and occ did not.
I only recommend Honda automatic transmission fluid in Honda automatics. Also, the issues with that transmission are internal and a design flaw. Your efforts may not yield the desired result, but I can't see how they could hurt. Thanks for the comment.
I tell my daughter. On her Mini van. Service the trans every 75 to 50k miles. She now has almost 200k.
Yay, you fixed it!
My 2008 ford focus (152k miles) has started to do the same thing. 1-2 fine, 2-3 when its warm takes sometimes over a second to shift into 3rd. It doesn't flare necessarily, but it will bog down and throw you forward a bit and then finally will shift. Trans fluid changed twice already, once at 110k and then again at 130k when the problems started happening, all solenoids have been replaced...
Helpful information 👍👍👍
Eric, I haven’t watched the whole. Video yet but let’s compare problems first. My 99 Accord EXL has a similar problem only going from first to second and only on the first shift of the day. I’ve purchased new tubes and screens for the solenoid valves and I’m going to change them out. Been told clutch material can clog the screens. Car only has 66K miles. Now to the video to listen to what you find. Long long time subscriber 😊🇺🇸. artie
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You mentioned changing the trans fluid and that Honda's are manual transmissions that they automated. Does that mean that the general rule of don't change fluid in an older higher mileage transmission doesn't apply? Thanks, great channel.