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- Rich Eisen reacts to Caitlin Clark’s college career ending without a title after Iowa’s loss in the National Championship game to unbeaten South Carolina.
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If Caitlin was chasing championships she could have easily transfered to the top schools and won without a problem. Instead she decided to choose a team and stick with them as far as she could go.. that is class.
Great point
She's from Des Moines, Iowa. Stayed in state.
Yeah she only played for another number 1 seed 😂
@@JoeMama-tl4tr They were only a #1 seed because of her. Without her that's a borderline tournament team
She gave Iowa the greatest ride it's ever had.
Best team won, but the best player was not on the best team. Without Caitlyn Iowa is an average team. She carried them to 2 national title games. Broke the scoring record. She ha people talking about women’s basketball in a positive light. She’s the first women to make their game this popular. No one comes close.
You're a prisoner of the moment. Cheryl Miller and the 96 Olympic team had major media coverage. The first season of the wnba actually looked promising.
@otisjenkinsjr.3556. He's not a prisoner of the moment. You are extremely out of touch
"She's the first *women* ..."?
@@Biggiiful nahhh I was just alive in 96 and I'm not a casual fan.
Agreed. Caitlin Clark is an alltime great. It”s bizarre to see anyone argue otherwise.
She ain't great she lost twice. While angel have a ring
Thanks Rich; so many National Media feel that to acknowledge South Carolinas Championship, they have to tear Caitlin Clark and Iowa down.
the national media is unfortunately not even acknowledging South carolina and their undefeated season all the talk has been all about Caitlin so stfu with this bs😐
You guys have a strong victim mentality.
It’s not tearing her down. It’s given a real reality on what’s really happening. Mrs. Clark is a good player. I’m not taking that away from her but when you play good defense on her, she turns into mush. if she played on a team with better players around her, she would not have gotten those records.
@@easyb622Nika Muhi of UConn played great defense against Caitlin and she still got 21 points and won the game. Hardly “mush.”
@aislinnkeilah7361….they won the game because her teammates, who everyone shits on, balled out!
To those piling on top of Caitlyn Clark about her not having a college national championship remember Larry Bird, Hakeem Olajuwon, Charles Barkley, Clyde Drexler, John Stockton, Karl Malone, Allen Iverson, Stephen Curry, Shaquille O'neal and many other fabulous basketball players didn't get a college basketball national championship.
This is not a good comparison. None of those players were called the GOAT while playing college basketball.
Where's Kareem Abdul-Jabbar?
@Hotshortie Kareem Abdul Jabbar did win in college with UCLA but under a different name Lew Alcindor
Thank you Rich! She's a legend!!!
For people to basically say, that not getting a Championship erases all she accomplished is ridiculous.
But people can’t call someone that didn’t win a championship in 4 years the “goat”
You can't be the goat if you can't want a championship
I would've agreed with you had she played well in either one of them. But she didn't. 38% from the floor with 10 turnovers to 13 assists? Come on, don't that give you SOME doubt? Maaaybe she's a choker instead of a GOAT?
There's no denying that she's been amazing for women's basketball. But is she TRULY a GOAT? If she had played great but came up short against better teams, I would be tipping my hat to her and be inclined to give her GOAT status. Cause sometimes that just happens. But to come up short and you were part of the problem? Ehhh, I just don't know.
No one is saying that . The Caitlin Clark fans are just trying to find any way to make it seem like Caitlin Clark is a championship even discrediting her own teammates as some bums. The Iowa Hawkeyes were the number 1 seed .
@@jimmygreer214013 assists is good tho you make it seem like she needed 20 to be good
Iverson transcended the game and never won. Caitlyn Clark transcended the game as well, and there’s nothing wrong with not winning a title. With the final of the men’s championship being tonight at 9:20 Eastern standard time they are setting themselves up for terrible ratings.
There’s gotta be a lane. Pick one . Now she’s A.I.? You style your hair like her too? You gotta relax
@@tyd7540 We compare players all the time, this isn't new maybe you are.
Wait ? the men's final is tonight? Who's playing?
Ducktales.
The problem with your analogy is AI was never the best player in college or the nba even during his MVP season and AI played in a league where MJ was already the established goat. Caitlin is impacting ratings, like jordan did, and style of play, like steph did, while creating rivalries like magic and bird, while breaking records like kareem and wilt. Shes the goat.
Bird didn’t have a college championship either.
And Magic Johnson is almost universally regarded as the better player all-time.
@@jjstraka1982no he's not. He's literally not a better basketball player. We've never seen him carry, like we've seen Bird. Led a 61 win team, as a rookie, with a garbage team.
@jjstraka- both were fantastic players. You can make an argument for either player as better
Bird isn’t in anyone’s top 5 either. He’s DEFINITELY not the GOAT.
@@blackmanwithcomputerHe DEFINITELY is mentioned FAR more than Bird as one of the Greatest. Stop it.
As a Gamecock fan, I disagree with you saying that Caitlin Clark isn’t great, she’s a one in a million, and can’t help it if it was all on her shoulders to win games alone, hell she’s not superwoman,
As a casual basketball fan, over the years, 2 women have gotten me invested & watching women's basketball, Cheryl Miller & Caitlin Clark. Bringing positive attention & new fans to the game is the most important thing for a sport. That attention improves conditions for players, encourages young athletes &, like it or not, elevates the importance & validity of that sport. Rugby is an exciting sport w/great athletes, but I doubt anyone can name one of its great players or teams w/o googling.
And requiring a championship for greatness is a bad idea. Yes some fans love stacked teams that always win, but even more fans love an underdog. Rooting for an underdog, gives us all hope we can overcome & rise above issues in our own life. Why would any great player choose to be on an underdog team again if "greatness" requires a ring? They will all choose or transfer to a handful of stacked, dominate teams & its boring to just see the same 2 or 3 teams blow everyone else away. You need underdog teams & those underdog teams need great players that want to lead them, even if they fall short of a championship.
Well said and I agree with you 1000 percent. I think it is more impressive to play with one other top50 recruit and beat teams with 7 top 50 recruits to get to the finals back to back….and that is why she is my GOAT in college woman’s bball..l
How can a team with only one great player beat and undefeated team. Only reason they were good was bc of one player. She doesn’t need a championship. She is great without any championships. She has a great run by making it to the championship. She’s an all time great.
The Iowa women's team members were all outstanding this tournament.
Don’t do that, the starting five played their butts off they needed more off the bench. Caitlyn didn’t get to the championship 2 yrs in a row by herself
Um...they beat an undefeated South Carolina team last year. So your argument died before it got lifted off the ground. She can be great without a championship, but she is not the GOAT.
@@KevinGloverpost24 Yes they did but they were elevated by CC or are you saying that SC with 5 star recruits all the way into the bench isn't as good as Iowa with an average of 3 star recruits?
@@JonJon-wf5yj what’s your point? I am saying her team played their butts off last year and this year. Everyone has a team.
Caitlin Clark, who admirably chose to stay close to home and bring a mediocre basketball program to prominence. And she has done so with flying colors and has had more of an impact on their success than any in women’s college basketball history. This was more difficult than leading a stacked team to titles in my opinion. If she had chosen to go to powerhouses like South Carolina, LSU, Stanford, or Connecticut (if Geno Auriemma had not recruited Paige Bueckers first) she could have easily won 3 or 4 championships at all of these schools. (She might have 6 (lol) and really upset Cheryl Swoopes.) She is that great. The same thing if she played with the same teammates on the same stacked teams that Cheryl Miller (my previous GOAT), Breanna Stewart, Diana Taurasi, Candace Parker, Maya Moore, Chamique Holdsclaw (and several others) did in their era. That would have made her a more accomplished player team wise but it wouldn’t make her any better as a player. The unfairness of this myopic “ring counting” view by many people is obviously unfair and wrong.
No women player in women's college basketball history would have dragged these mediocre Iowa teams (no disrespect meant to her fine and likable teammates) to the NCAA finals 2 years in a row. Only Miller would have even come close in my opinion. No player in history elevates her teammate's level of play to the degree that Clark does and it's not even close. No player in history has had more of an impact on the outcome of a game than Clark. No player in history has been more clutch than Clark. And no player has elevated her game in big games more often than Clark. She is the greatest scorer in women’s college basketball history and the greatest passer in women’s basketball history - college or pro. Her 3’s and especially her logo 3’s bring in a new dimension of greatness since they open up the court for her teammates and demoralize her opponents as the crowd goes crazy shifting the all important momentum to her team. And she is a great rebounder and ball handler. Plus, her teammates love playing with her.
All this and you want to tell me that her legacy hinges on whether or not her team, not her, defeats an undefeated 6 point favorite stacked South Carolina (for the second year in a row) team in one game? Even if she wins and drops 50 (not happening against South Carolina defense) and 15 assists (Ok, that can happen) haters will say she only has one ring and Stewart has four. Poppycock. Statistics, advanced statistics, and the all important eye test all tell me who is better by a clear margin. If she loses no matter how great she plays, some (not necessarily haters) will say she is not the GOAT because she doesn’t have a “chip” (as the delusional Jay Williams likes to say). Well everyone is entitled to their opinion no matter how wrong it is lol.
You are the best!!!!! One team has one 5 star recruit, the other 9... people are crazy. She just took down 8 5-star recruits in the previous week!!! Could not like your post more.
Well said. The SC game was just a heat check for Clark. Like taking a full court shot. Probably not going in, but fun to try. The SC team was completely stacked and towered over the Iowa players to the point that they could even make easy layups due to the forest of arms blocking shots. Iowa were definitely the underdogs going into the finals.
People need to remember that basketball is a TEAM sport not an individual sport. It takes a TEAM doing all of the right things to win a championship. No one individual has ever won a team championship in any sport at any level. The better team won the championship as SC probably has 5 future pros playing while Iowa has maybe 2 or 3 (and that's with Clark). Clark could have gone to UConn or LSU or SC to win championships, but she did the more respectful act of staying for 4 years (only 4 years) at one school that didn't have the pedigree of the blue bloods of women's college basketball. Yet, she elevated her team to not one but two title games during her time. She should be cheered for. She should be respected for her achievements. And, she should be great at the next level. We will see if her future teammates will allow her to be great.
i hope so too.
Well said OP, except I think SC has 7-9 pros and Iowa has 1-2. Fact is, SC played 8 5-star players & 1 4-star, with all 9 ranked in the top 25 of their classes, 7 ranked in the top 14, and 3 in the top 5. Meanwhile, 5-star Clark with only 3 4-star teammates (only 1 was a starter, Stuelke) did what they could, and really only Clark plus maybe Stuelke can make it to the WNBA.
Iowa gave it there all, we’re all very proud of them
I’m so proud of Iowa ladies
Classy as always Rich 👏
The look on Kate’s face broke my heart 😮 Sun always shines britess After the storm .Thank you Kate Martin 😊
She's simply one of the best to play the game. Hats off to her.
As a woman, I was always aware and somewhat jealous of the way men share a certain camaraderie that women don’t.
Why are women always tearing other women down??
So, most local girls from Iowa with limited talents go against an Allstar team from skilled recruiting with 8 five star players, they lose and She is not that good or great player! How ridiculous naive fools gold! She took this team to two national championship appearances.
I argue no player of our generation could do that! She scores 18 points in a quarter against one of best teams of our generation! Case closed! No further argument your honor! Done!
Now we know who really tears down women........OTHER Women.
Weren't you one of the people that were talking shyt about Angel Reese?
@@aem870 possibly, calling out a PERSON for terrible hate, racism and ego...had nothing to do her being a woman. Any other questions?
@@kee7678 The racists were you haters that were attacking her. Also it is interesting because the many things that Caitlin Clark did, you ignored, almost everything that you blame Angel Reese for, Caitlin also did but it is ignored. Also what you call ego is just confidence/belief and I love it.
@@aem870 LOl. ok racist. Theres a reason 80% feel same way. Love Clark and her charaachter and talent and hate RacisReese and her lack of both. FAct...so either be better and not bitter and racist. Your choice.
@@aem870 BTW..keep "ignoring" all the videos today here about Reese "makes fun of cailtlyn clark for loss " etc etc. yeah truth hurts for those who hate truth. Most love Clark...not true for Reese..Both earned what they get.
This is EXACTLY why Staley is not only a respectable person and winning coach but a humble person, to know that she's witnessing greatness and give Caitlin Clark her flowers is amazing!!!! All of the WNBA players that are hating on her are just jealous that they will never have the impact on their game as the way Clark did, instead of them being more welcoming of Clark they're trying to push her out, which would be the absolute worst thing for the WNBA
The best player lost. But the best team won.
Most sensible, accurate, unbiased comment I have seen yet, on this topic. I truly hate that so many blk people--based on their comments--feel they must celebrate SC's victory and title by diminishing and bashing Caitlin Clark. It is so unncessary. We have enough division already. Today, more than ever, we need to come together. Thank you for being able to provide a GREAT perspective on this game. Have a good one!
The tallest team won. That rebound differential with 30 second chance points on 18 O-Boards illustrates it.
Well said
@@TenaciousStudent You're right. No skill needed. Just be taller. Bye, bye CC. Good riddance.
@@KeaKeith when she leaves, so does the viewership. Notice how the most watched game of each round featured her. The next highest was the future opponent of Iowa.
Larry Birs finished second in his NCAA final. Yet, no one said he had to win that to be great. So why are they saying Ciatlin is not great because she did not win NCAA?
people are not saying she's not great - they're saying she's not the best. huge difference.
@jaypee2185. Why are you trying to actively rewrite reality in real time by blatantly lying? People, specifically Jay Williams, are having a big conversation recently about wether or not Caitlin is GREAT or not based on the lack of championship. That is quite LITERALLY what the argument is. Not that she is the GOAT, but if she is even great. Jay Williams is being extremely disingenuous by denying she is great...but he...and others...are still doing it. So again....why are you lying?
@@Biggiiful jay williams is not "people," he's a person. that said, he's a talking head and has to generate interest in what he has to say. i'd take what he says with a huge grain of salt. don't cry anymore over it. :)
Who is Larry Birs?
Who says Larry bird is great because his college career?
One game does not define an individual’s accomplishments.
How about the only player to bring relevancy to the sport? And I've got 3,951 other reasons.
Reason why people are bitter because there’s a whole new demographic of people who never ever watch women’s college basketball in their life. Now trying to dictate narrative who’s the greatest.
Bingo!
Thank you for this thoughtful and mature take, Rich!
In college, championships don't and shouldn't matter in these debates. Recruiting heavily skews championship favor. That and look at the bracket Iowa was in.
agreed. recruiting can fill their entire bench squad with players who'd be starters on other teams
To supplement the point about just HOW much recruiting influences things in women's college bball (by building superteams, and the rich tend to get richer, esp when they gotta stay 4 yrs before going to the WNBA), check out the recruit ratings & their class rankings for Iowa's teams these past 2 yrs vs everyone they faced from the Elite 8-on (only the players who played) - the disparity is ridiculous between them & Iowa, it's a lot to overcome round after round:
2023 Iowa: 1 5-star, 4 3-stars; rankings: #4, 45, 84, 92
2023 Elite 8, Louisville: 4 5-stars, 2 4-stars; #7, 18, 19, 30, 35, 66
2023 Final 4, SC: 9 5-stars; #2, 3, 4, 5, 10, 10, 14, 47, 51
2023 Championship, LSU: 4 5-stars, 2 4-stars: #2, 20, 24, 26, 48, 58
2024 Iowa: 1 5-star, 3 4-stars; #4, 45, 71, 92
2024 Elite 8, LSU: 4 5-stars, 3 4-stars; #2, 2, 7, 7, 26, 58
2024 Final 4, UConn: 5 5-stars; #1, 5, 6, 15, 23
2024 Championship, SC: 8 5-stars, 1 4-star; class rankings: #2, 4, 5, 11, 12, 13, 14, 17, 25
@@darchon5Thank you!!!!! Did we hear this at all? She had to take down like 17+ 5-star recruits in the last three games!!! Not many are mentioning that.
@@lizard9523 Yeah that's why I decided to spread this info around after researching it all myself, cuz absolutely no one talks in specifics about it. Yes, a couple of times they mention SC's deep bench - but why do they have a deep bench & Iowa does not?! Much better players, and a ton of them, it's just logic.
That doesn't mean LSU/SC only won their titles because talent, because Iowa has faced and beaten many teams with a lot more 5-stars, so coaching and players making plays of course count for a lot. But so does recruiting/transfers, which Clark haters wanna pretend doesn't matter much.
@@darchon5 yea , they should weight the games based in recruiting …SC would face a 40 point handicap to start hehehe. Iowa over performance was crazy. Clark the goat.
Absolutely Great piece Rich!!
Catlin Clark reminds me of Tony Gwynn. Never won a championship, could have easily gone to an amazing team, but decided to stay home 🙂. That alone makes them great 👍🏼
Imagine hating on her after all she’s accomplished. Just be grateful you were able to witness her play in college and can continue watching her play in whatever league she chooses. As someone who loves sports, I’m just glad I can watch greatness.
Wish more people felt this way. Totally agree. I just want to enjoy watching great players play great.
Keep the same energy you did with Angel Reese.
@@agendaxpushers1322 Oh I 100% do, I love watching her. She was electric in last year's natty game. Like I said I just love and respect good ball.
nobody really hate her. just her "fans" that try using her as a political tool.
@@drumagus2258 they use her as a proxy to hate on Angel Reese and then use projection to mask their cowardice.
Here is why she is the only GOAT, no one gave a crap about women’s basketball until she came along.
I agree that Caitlin is the goat.
@Hotshortie you didn't have social media to push thing like we have today, plus the decline of men basketball she's not the freaking reason everyone started watching it.
@@polofunk I'm from Iowa. She is exactly the reason I and the state of Iowa started watching. Her back story is amazing. She was a little girl who played on boys teams because they didn't have little girls basketball teams. She was very good as a child. After awhile, little boys parents complained that they didn't want her on the teams because it hurt their boys self esteem, that they were getting beat by a girl and tried to get her kicked off. The sports club said no and she got to stay. She played against boys until high school.
No, YOU didn’t care about women’s basketball. Don’t speak for everyone
And no one gives a crap now. This is just social bs. People playing the divisive game they claim they're not. Most people didn't even hear of Caitlin Clark until last year. And only tuned in because of hate for particular players.
WNBA players "We don't need her!" 🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂ Let's hope the Olympic team is smart enough to include her. Won't be watching otherwise.
SHE DID A HOLD LOT FOR RHE GAME..SHE IS A GREAT PLAYER..WISH HER WELL ❤️🩹
She broke 45 records during her college career…but what concerns me is that she was shut down in 3 quarters in the NCAA finals. I am eager to see how she fares in the WNBA…
You for got carry herself as a ambassador of the sport magnificently.
Dawn Staley says Caitlin is "one of the GOATs". I agree. Here are a few more like Caitlin -- Ernie Banks, Charles Barkley, Elgin Baylor, Barry Bonds, Pavel Bure, Dick Butkus, Rod Carew, Tina Charles, Ty Cobb, Marcel Dionne, Patrick Ewing, Mike Gartner, Ken Griffey Jr, George Gervin, Tony Gwynn, Roy Halladay, Denny Hamlin, James Harden, Dale Hawerchuk, Allen Iverson, Harry Kane, Jim Kelly, Michelle Kwan, Karl Malone, Dan Marino, Angel McCoughtry, Tracy McGrady, Reggie Miller, Randy Moss, Anthony Munoz, Steve Nash, Cam Neely, Adam Oates, Brad Park, Chris Paul, Cristiano Ronaldo, Barry Sanders, O.J. Simpson, John Stockton, Derrick Thomas, LaDainian Tomlinson, Mike Trout, Russell Westbrook, Dominique Wilkins, Ted Williams, Carl Yastrzemski.
Much love from Hawkeye Nation❤ Dawn is pure class!
Championships are a team thing, not an individual thing. A great player can't make a mediocre team a champion. Iowa, this season, wasn't mediocre, but they were no South Carolina. Congrats to Clark for her season, and to her team for going as far as they could.
Well Iowa didn't have a mediocre team this year or last.
she could have easily transferred to LSU or South Carolina to win a championship.
I’ve been following women’s March madness since Sue Bird & Diana Turasi & I watched more games & commentary this year than all the prior years combined!
.......THANK YOU
Rich, Dawn Staley paid tribute to Caitlin Clark and Iowa on the podium after receiving the trophy- that was class.
We don’t put much steak on college legacy so being a champion isn’t on the same level as professional play. Sorry that’s just how it is. She’s a goat, shes better than any other woman I’ve ever watched considering her team and her competition. She’s gonna be awesome and I hope Chicago sells shares of the franchise to move up to get her 😂
Huh? Who is we? For most women's sports college is the end of the road. Maybe a chance at the Olympics. College legacy is all there is... nobody watching the WNBA
More people watching College Women’s Basketball
Best? Yes. One of the greatest? Yes. THE greatest? No.
Who is the greatest for women?
This I can agree with but I think her accomplishments are so loud that where she ranks will depend on the person you ask and if they watch women’s basketball before 2020
Maya Moore would like a word. Went to the Final 4, 4 years straight and 2 titles. I'm glad y'all 4got
@mark
Maya Moore imo, Candace Parker, Diana Taurasi, Cynthia Cooper, and Cheryl Miller are the other people usually in the conversation.
The modern players look way better to the eye because the game as a whole has improved so much but that doesn't mean they are better just like d-league players are way more skilled and athletic thannOscar Robertson was but they are not better.
Got to judge how they did against their contemporaries.
I'm not taking anything away from Maya Moore but look at the talent she got to play with ok? Clark would have loved to play with talent like that!! South Carolina is practically a full WNBA team and if it weren't for Iowa missing some ducks I believe would have beat them. Clark did this with average talent around her!!! She made them all look way better than they really are
Thank you sir. Yes, there's Caitlin the basketball champion, but there's also Caitlin the person. How at 22 years old she handles the pressure from all sides and still excels at her craft with poise, dignity, a sense of responsibility for her role model status, a faith in God and family, and the mid-west down-to-earth way she carries herself is the story of the year. God bless you CC.
South Carolina was and is the best TEAM in 2024. Coach Staley's stacked team went underfeated. More press should have been given to them before the title game. They were favored and rightly so. Caitlin Clark is the most talented women's college basketball player in 2024. She will be successful in the WNBA, however she cannot fix or make the WNBA profitable or successul on her own. She put Iowa women's basketball on the map. South Carolina will be back on top in 2025, while Iowa will have a difficult time without a player like Clark to lead them back.
I agree that Iowa will have a difficult time, but they've always been pretty good. They were playing in the elite eight before she came along.
What made her great: performance + not a clown
Caitlin doesn’t have to be called the GOAT 🐐. Just call her the greatest scorer in women’s div 1 college basketball history.
24 million sports fans just spoke! Caitlin Clark is THE GOAT! R U kidding me!!! Thats amazing. That answers the question about which bball game to people want to watch - Mens or Womens.
So when are you going to comment on the winners and their players and coach? This is nauseating.
Hey thanks Caitlin! Not bashing,just asking. Did anyone and all the fakes ever talk about a woman's bb goat before her. She's the best!
It's a very specific group of people that i've noticed who are hating on her...
Lets see what she will do in the WNBA!!
Think she is going to love dishing the ball to Boston!
You can be the best player and never win a Championship.I dont even consider them when discussing players.Its an organization award.
Great accomplishments 🎉🎉🎉
Do we ever talk about the winners?
Not if they are Blk.
Caitlin was not chasing anything, she's just playing good basketball
Rich, you are absolutely correct. Her legacy is complete. She could walk away from the game today and what she did will be remembered.
No legacy is complete without a title. Ask folks like Charles Barkley, Dominque Wilkins, and Karl Malone about that.
@@natureredux1957Not true. Ty Cobb and Ted Williams are considered royalty in baseball. Zero World Series titles.
The basketball audience wasn’t watching Caitlin Clark. the Caitlin Clark audience was watching basketball.
Having fun here, but I must disagree. (I think Im reading your post right) I am a 55 year Basket Fan who tuned back into the game after watching one CC highlight CZcams piece. I was out of basketball for good. The NBA is not the game I loved and is definitely not the game I Coached. A bunch of millionaire free agents chasing rings and money - I'm back because of CC and the style of play in the growing women's college game. Simply amazing.
I only watched because of Caitlin. Never watched a women's college basketball game until she came around
Remember Pete Maravich never came close to an NCAA Title or even a final 4 or i don't think a playoff win, yet he is an all time college and NBA great and maybe the greatest ever college basketball player.
Bill Russell, Lew Alcindor greatest college players by a wide margin.
Nobody says Pete Maravich is the greatest college player ever. He is not in the conversation.
Who?
I think when you think of great and greatest you think of people who transcend the sport. Who leave it better off than when they entered it. Caitlin is a TRANSCENDER! She elevated College Women's basketball to new heights. She will be remembered! That is what makes you more of a GOAT than a person who won a championship.
You people come up with any criteria to make her the GOAT. Oh she transcends the game so that automatically makes her the greatest woman bball player ever?
@@jeanjacques7874 So who do you consider to be the Goat of College Women's basketball? Someone must have that title.
@@sulleys1929 Yes!! That’s the way it’s worked forever for the men’s game and to some degree the women’s. I’m not saying it to hate on Clark. She’s one of the greatest players to ever lace them up, but at the end of the day, anyone considered in the GOAT of GOAT debates has a CHIP. As far as my goat, I’d say Cheryl Miller, Maya Moore should be considered.
@@jeanjacques7874 So the goat is determined by opinion then not by how many championship they have won?
@@sulleys1929 Isn’t that what all GOAT debates about?? It’s a full portfolio when it comes to GOAT debate in bball. Defense, offense, awards, and a championship. I don’t understand why this is so perplexing for ppl. Just say you like CC and you think she’s your GOAT. It’s one thing to nip pick between the number of CHIPS, but you’ve gotta get one.
Bird didn't win a national championship in college, either, and nobody disputes his greatness. I'm not a Clark or Iowa fan but there's no denying she's one of the greats and deserves the respect that goes with that.
THANK YOU RICH - YOU ARE THE CHAMPION FOR STATING THE OBVIOUS - I have no idea why all of the other folks are so rough on CC and are simply in denial. The Greatest Of All Time? YES, Caitlin Clark is the GOAT in women basketball for now. Maybe her hard work will inspire the young ones to take her records down. But for now CC is the best 100%. No one is reading out the stats. Shannon Sharp, Skip, and others are all having a hard time with what they witnessed this year. LOL! Thank you Rich! That last stat of 24 million viewers is the biggest RING to our on your mantle.
D1 and Pro Sports are entertainment. WHAT DO THE CUSTOMER WANT TO SEE??? CC proved what kind of basketball is the most entertaining to us FANS -
Lets compare NBA= Slam Dunk Fest, no defense, no offense, Bigs don't matter, coaching doesn't matter, junk bball, men acting hard like they are warriors (Let's see any BB player play RUGBY! LOL! - Oh side note! six pack abs and blown-up biceps do not make you tough in a fight), making 10s of millions a year, and no local city loyalty. The only loyalty is money and rings,
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Caitlin, Page, JuJu, and the growing women's college game - Basketball in its full form being played - Coaching matters, leadership matters, fast Break, secondary break, full court defense, offensive sets, defensive schemes, bigs and rebounds matter, mid-range shooting matters, seeing the whole court, your bench matters --- what we witnessed the last two years, and what CC and her peers accomplished - she simply brought back the greatest team game for all of us to love again. Thank you, Caitlin and the rest of the hard work young women and their coaches. I'm Back!
It’s a team game and obviously SC has a much better team. If you put CC on SC, replacing any player. Obviously, she would win the championship. In college, even the great one only has one or two cracks at winning a championship. Unlike the pro, they can have 15 years to get ring.
She’s the best ever!!!
There probably will not be another Female College basketball Player do what CAITLIN CLARK has done for quite a while.
“Let’s play 2” Ernie Banks.
She’s the goat but for everyone that says you need a championship that’s fine let’s revisit this conversation after her career is over and she has multiple professional national championships. We can talk all about how she’s the undeniable goat then. Let’s go!
Plain and simple: A basketball team's championship rewards even a team member who only played garbage time, so how could a championship be a measure of individual greatness that would validate one's legacy? A basketball championship is a team effort and should be recognized ALWAYS as such.. Individual greatness is when your impact goes beyond your team; it's when your sport as a whole benefits from what you've accomplished. Also, basketball, as most sports are, is entertainment. No matter how many rings you wave at people's faces, if hardly anyone watches and appreciates what you do, then what's the point?
Doesn’t the game being broadcasted for free make a difference in viewership when most of the other sports are only shown on paid platforms?
The championship numbers were even better, and beat the men’s championship viewership. Has that ever happened in any sport??
Hey you need to build a solid team around Miss Clark. She had too much pressure on her shoulders carrying that Iowa team. Going forward it is imperative she has competent talent around her that average at least 20 points a game. Her talent must be carefully harnessed so she is not carrying an entire team on her shoulders.
im not sure but Larry Bird never won a NCAA Championship, i think most people would say he is one of the greats.
Well Bird was part of a ton of NBA championships teams. Without that, he would never be in the greats conversations.
THE GOAT QUESTION IN ALL OF SPORTS IS SIMPLE - "WHO DO YOU PICK FIRST TO LEAD YOUR WNBA TEAM IN AN ALL-TIME MOCK DRAFT?"
We've done that for years for NBA players. Labron James never gets picked first. He's not the clutch player and leader that you get with Michael Jordan, Koby, or Magic. All of those players carried teams on their shoulders. LJ had to ask his free agent friends to help him win a ring.
SO who do you Pick First for the women? For me it's super easy CC, DT, CS, BS in that order.
South Carolina is a pro team...There is no shame losing to SC. if it was Clark is not surrounded by 5 star recruits like all the other folks folks will mention
Well, well, well look who’s finally picking us up from the sitters house 😐
This and his genius summation of Emma Raducanu's 2021 US Open Slam by reviewing her Tweets and I'm thinking Rich Eisen may be the best sports broadcaster I know....
IA team reunion tour thanks
I mean, the Fab Five didn’t win squat for Michigan (in fact because they played pre-NIL they got busted for stuff that is perfectly legal now and their Final Four banners at Crisler got taken down)
…and they’re still considered to be iconic enough to get a “30 for 30” special made by ESPN about them.
I’m not a basketball fan by default, but I’ll at least be casually following her career beyond Iowa; I’m probably not the only one in that demographic. That’s got to mean something, right?
The hype machine is real. Clark had 18 pts in the first qtr and only 12 over the last 3 qtrs. South Carolina shut her down. Give them their credit! 🤔A bunch of records and 0-2 in consecutive trips to the chip makes Caitlin Clark the Billy Goat..
Thank you
She’s all hype. Raven Johnson showed how to stop her last night. 12 points in 3 quarters.
Thank you 🙏🏾
Yeah, we get it, we can read between the lines why you feel this way...
She simply ran out of steam after the first quarter. Carried the team as far as she could.
Yes have to 🏆 because we don't remember stats we remember championships 😊
I actually remember Tiger's amazing shots more than the number of his championships.
If you're in the biz. learn how to prounounce the top players names correctly - Bueckers (Beckers).
Great player and plenty of great players never won on the college level. Her haters can get off on that, but I think Clark will be around for a long time.
Nobody is saying that she is not great. But those same players who didn't win on the college level were not being called the GOAT without winning anything.
Lets not lower the bar 😊
Any doubt that if she called Dawn Staley or Kim Mulkey after last year, they wouldn’t have taken her immediately, and most likely with either one, certainly with South Carolina won a national championship, but as was said before she stayed with the same team
You’re changing the road to suit your narrative no championship no goat
Let me ask Basketball fans this...Were you stunned when Iowa on Clarks 18pt. Blitz came out on fire in the first quarter...I was shocked. But SC and Coach Staley knew what adjustments to make and say what you want about Revenge Tours or not...had their eye on the prize with determination and desire. Congrats to Dawn Staley and SC who still has the Horses to go the distance again to the Final 4!!
And 9 five-star recruits. And Caitlin had already taken down 8 others within the week. 9 against 1 ... the 9 five-stars should be better.
@@lizard9523 Asst Coach Jan Jenson said it best "South Carolina, That's a WNBA Team right there"!! Just loaded and Deep. UConn and Tennessee and now South Carolina. If these ladies stay in school.. Another Dominant Dynasty in Womens College Basketball 👍👍
To be considered the " greatest ever " ? Yes, you gotta win the chip
Nah, that's a team thing.
Dude no one knows who ever won a woman's championship before. Caitlin is more important than anyone that has ever played in college period.
Isn't "legacy" a bit overheated for someone who's not even 25? People who can't name five women players watched the tournament or games that she was in, just like they watch games whenever a generational talent is involved. The ratings next year will be lower than this year and probably by a lot.
This is a team sport. Her teammates were way too small to fight for rebounds versus SC. Imagine if Iowa can even out on the rebounds, Iowa would have beaten SC. Too many offensive rebounds lead to ample second chances were the difference in the game.
It’s harder to win a natty in college. More schools and less time to do so
Sorry Rich, you need rings
I really enjoy Caitlin Clark just as much as anyone else. However, scoring records should be normalized just like everything else that is measurable when comparing it to something else. For instance, when we compare the value of money today with the value of money decades ago we say those dollars of yesteryears were equivalent to adjusted-for-inflation dollars of today. Otherwise, we have no real comparison.
All that said is to say that the only way to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges is to find a base by which to do so. Points today, especially those points earned as three-pointers are inflated compared to points earned when the three-pointer shot did not exist. It would be like making a touchdown worth 13 points today and a field goal worth 6 points today and then comparing the highest scoring teams today with those of yesteryear when a touchdown was worth only 6 points and a field goal was worth only 3 points. No one should get credited 2 rebounds for every one rebound actually achieved. If that became the new standard, then it is readily discernable that prior rebounding stats and records won't hold up very long.
Thus, the ONLY way to compare scoring records from yesteryear to scoring records of today is to base scoring on field goals made and free throws made. To do otherwise is to falsely inflate and award some with new titles while fraudulently depriving those who were awarded earlier titles. If Caitlin made more field goals and free throws than any other woman, then she is the scoring champ. If not, then she is not the scoring champ.
And to compare an elite female athlete to an elite male athlete is simply pure madness. There is not, and has never been, a single elite collegiate or professional female basketball player who could displace, based on talent and physicality, any elite male collegiate or professional athlete on any division one team or professional team. That includes those males who sit the bench and rarely ever, if ever, get in a game - no woman can displace him. SO, LET'S STOP THAT MADNESS NOW!! IT MAKES EVERYONE LOOK STUPID AND TOTALLY DISINGENUOUS WHEN IT COMES OUT OF ONE'S MOUTH. In other words, if all things are based on merit alone, there is no Division 1 mens basketball team that 6'0" Caitlin Clark deserves to make. SO, STOP THAT, TOO!!! Especially since high school and collegiate female athletes are being WRONGFULLY displaced by competitively inept biological males who shy away from competing with other males (let's allow heavyweight pugilists to compete against featherweight pugilists so that those lesser talented heavyweights can win, too). This new bunch of weak-minded and weak-willed biological males bully out of the way biological female athletes, thus, lessening biological female success. A bunch of sorry, non-competitive biological male cowards grasping for low-hanging fruit within bological female arenas. That is a damn shame! And the so-called real men are also too cowardly to stand up for the biological female. So much for land of the free and home of the brave. EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT TITLE IX WAS ENACTED TO BENEFIT BIOLOGICAL FEMALES! Finally, God don't like it, and I don't either!!!
Hannah Stuelke carried Iowa vs UConn and without her, Iowa doesn't even get to the finals. She, a sophomore was 9/12 from the field while Caitlin was 7/18 in the same game. Uconn was 3/4 for free throws while Iowa was 10/14 for free throws. Way too many folks making comments literally know ZERO about basketball. The game was decided by 2 points. Iowa had 10 more free throw attempts. But sure, Iowa isn't getting the calls as opposed to their opponents. She isn't the Goat, period.
UCONN was playing far more aggressive defensively which almost always results in more fouls called. You should know that being an expert on the game.
@@RW-gx6ml Funny thing, when DUKE was winning all their championships, they were allowed to play way more aggressively on defense than their opponents. Yet it was their opponents that always have their best players in foul trouble. Again, only 4 free throws the entire game for UConn. Blank does blank, every expert knows that.
Love that girl - may even start watching women’s basketball now!!!
FACT: great players WIN big games!
FACT: great players lose big games.
She was the only 5-star recruit on Iowa taking down 17+ 5-stars in 3 games would be tough for anyone.
True and Caitlin has done that. Great compliment.