I TEST a Chinese EBIKE
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- čas přidán 14. 01. 2021
- This cheap chinese carbon ebike gets a megatest! The carbon frame, Bafang 95Nm motor and huge 840Wh battery get ridden hundreds of kilometers in the UK winter and tested to the max. Will it crack? Will it survive the UK winter trails?!
Check out the first build video where i detail the entire process including painting the frame: • I built a Chinese Carb...
Bike Stats:
- Total build cost inc. paint: £4050
- 24.5KG Weight
- Mixed wheel size 29er front 27.5 rear
- 840Wh battery, 95Nm Motor
- 63.8 degree head angle
- 505mm reach (Frame Size XL)
- 455m Chain Stay
- 170mm Rockshox ZEB
- 155mm rear travel, Rockshox Super Deluxe
- DT Swiss H1700 Wheelset
- Deore 4 pot brakes
- Deore 10 speed drive train
- Big Betty Rear / Magic Mary Front
Go check out the total build thread over at EMTB forums to see everything in more detail: bit.ly/3qlV4Gi
Here is the exact frame I purchased called the Dengfu E10. You have to email them to actually make a transaction: bit.ly/35IxvQ9
With thanks to:
Thanks to Matt Bayliss for helping in the test. Matt came first place in almost all of his UK Senior UK downhill races in the last season and will be competing at the highest level in 2021, the Elite class, with some of the world's top talent. Follow Matt here: bit.ly/38Oqdwh
Thanks to THE BIKE PILOT for capturing some awesome video content. Always getting the bangers! Follow him here: bit.ly/2XIAoMl
Thanks to MOSHON-E who supported with build advice. They actually now can get this exact KIT frame to support you. Go follow them here: bit.ly/3oP7fei
Thanks to Rockshox, DT Swiss and Shimano for supporting the build with parts!
Doing a DIY build like this also has negatives. It takes a fairly long time to build, shop for parts etc, especially in the current situation with delayed / restricted stock! You need tools etc, time to build. And not the best support when you need help. Warranty etc will also take time if I need it. BUT its very rewarding building your own! And you can choose the parts that you really like.
For many folks, a direct / shop bought bike is by far the best option, all things considered. Yes, you spend more, but the support is (usually) much better. But great to see this DIY build as a feasible option for those who would like to give it a go.
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Cheers for ALL the new subscribers to my channel and for all the positive comments and feedback on the build video. I LOVED making this content! Thank you for watching! Huge thanks to Matt for absolutely sending the bike and helping test the frame. Hope you like this vid, and I look forward to the NEW V2 CHEEB!!!!
replace the m500 with the m620 an ABSOLUTE blast it has 160nm and a 1000w power sometimes hitting 1500
You are going to upload V2 in the next hour or so right!? Looking forward to it!
Very cool project, surprised by the result actually. Looks awesome!
Long term review, I feel your counting your eggs before the chicken laid.
Rob these videos with the cheeb build have been ace!! Looking forward to the ceeb 2
"I TEST a Chinese EBIKE"
If only you knew that more than 90% of e-bikes on the market are actually Chinnese re-branded re-sellers.
My cube frame came with a chinese warranty that literally states the factory it was made in. I'm pretty sure cube wasn't supposed to send that along with it lmao. The frame is one of the older zeroblack series wich were way over 1000€ new when the came out. I think production cost around 300 with maybe a 150 extra for the paintjob.
yeah, true. But at least with a brand recognition there's some warranty, that is provided they actually have decent customer service
That’s the reason they all “look” the same.
Made in China by a brand name is better than Made in China by a no name. The Chinese love cutting corners and always build to the cheapest price. It isn't cheap if it doesn't last.
@@emergingit yea if you gonna buy something a bit more pricey don't be a cheapskate and go for a branded product
Cracking alternative approach to equipping yourself with an E-Bike. Your sourcing & build efforts have certainly rewarded you with a fun, capable steed. As ever, refreshing style and top drawer quality, production and content values. Looking forward to the inevitable upcoming tweak's. Keep them coming!
Amazing review, loved also the 1st episode.
I think the whole concept of DIY has a lot of added value in the era we live in, where you can order, mix and match nearly anything you want (global flat world...).
I would appreciate more videos of this type!!
I really think you are doing a great service bringing to us also the edge approach to emtbs. Keep up the good work 👍👍
Thanks zev, really appreciate the feedback! For sure I enjoy doing this also, definitely workshop and DIY more coming soon!
@@RobRidesEMTB does the price include vat and inbound tax etc? Here we need to pay 24% vat and perhaps 25% inbound tax from china.
Never thought I'd find a fellow flat earther here
I'm a total novice and newbie to the world of ebikes and found this video really informative and excellent footage and filming. Look forward to more of your videos to come!
That paint job is truly amazing - lovely bike.
Most people dont know yet but their A-brand carbon bike frames and rims are all produced at the same factories in China.
well this is compete rubbish
And most people dont know but only one or 2 diff models are actually made inhouse by those companies but shhhh... 🤫🤫
True
This is the one everyone's been waiting for and i wasn't disappointed! awesome vid dude!
Love the ending.... going back for more punishment.... good stuff Rob, love the detail and honesty. Gives a great picture of what it takes and the risk and work it takes....
A video with Sam Pilgrim would be sick. A day with him would be the ultimate frame test :D
Congratulations on the build and the video! Both are excellent and I have really enjoyed watching the build and the testing. Thank you!!
Again another supervideo really worth watching. The image and the sound and your commentaries are the best of the best. In Spanish we would say...'te lo has currado de maravilla'. Thanks, Rob, for your perfect job. Up our thumbs!!
I have 2 of these exact bikes but with the M600 spec'd out with XT mech, 4 pot brakes and SR Suntour Durolux 170mm upfront and their Tri-air 155mm in the rear. The top of the line Suntour is great value for top performance so helps build this bike even cheaper without sacrificing performance. They were fully built up by Dengfu and arrived complete. Just check and torque all bolts. The frames are painted so you don't need to go as far as Rob did, although his paint job is epic. Rob will find plenty of punch with the M600. The motor body itself is very waterproof. The errors from wet riding are caused by water getting to the battery pins. The battery to frame connection is set low in the frame. I have added some extra waterproofing to help keep water away from these connections.
I've never even thought proper emtb DIY is possible can you please let me know what type of frame it is please, really interested. Regarding Suntour it's good advice, how'd do you find it comparing to fox or rockshox performance wise ?
How did you purchase them? Spec out the components and have Dengfu quote it?
How did you get these bikes??
@@pahanoks I used the Dengfu E10 frame and was one of the first to try out. I had the 2 bikes built in May last year. I ordered the Suntour Durolux front and Triair rear from Kunshan Brisky Sports Co., Ltd, a trader on Alibaba. They then delivered these to Dengfu for assembly. This suspension setup is great and the 36mm stations are nice and stiff with 170mm travel. Check out reviews online. My view is that they match up to Fox and Rockshox but at a much better price ( $US590 for the set).
@@jeffstroh3521 Researched online, checked out integrity of suppliers and then organised all online. Dengfu where great and when I found a Chinese supplier of Shimano XT gear, they arranged local purchase. Not sure that you can expect them to do this every time as they normally use SRAM gear. I set out all components with each priced on a schedule. They then assembled and sent me final pictures prior to seafreight shipping. All worked out great and my brother and I have done 1,000's of kms on trails around New Zealand. The same spec'd bike here in NZ would have cost twice the price, if you could even find stock.
Love these DIY videos dude. Typical diy videos are nowhere near this good in so far as video quality, editing, effort, testing and honesty. You really nailed it. Bet you’ll like the M600 heaps more, looking forward to the next one
What a video Rob. Your production is sublime and congrats on building this beauty!
I love how you are in full Fox attire and Matt is just wearing his old jeans and a tracksuit jacket. Love this video!
I've been riding a Dengfu carbon CX for 7 years now, its been down everything! In fact it won't die!
To be honest this bike in slow motion looks stiffer than most of the other "non-chinese" frames with big logo on them
So you just watched the 28 bikes bottoming out video too?
@@derekhobbs1102 pink bike, drop on flat
you're forgetting that that's not always a good thing
Flex can be a good thing. Trust me those big companies know what they are doing
TBH most of the big name bike frames are made in China anyway.
You really nailed the video editing, very well done! Thanks for this very entertaining doc!
Thanks Rob, enjoyed the honest review and looking at e-biking from all angles not just the top brand names like most.
I lot of people always say that Made in China equals poor quality. However, that is not the case if you pay enough. Fun fact, Santa Cruz Chameleon Carbon frames are made in China.
That's because people are idiots. They expect stuff from China to be cheap and then complain about quality, but when you tell them to pay more, they give you weird looks.
Let's be honest most of the stuff we use on a day to day basis is made in China/Taiwan
Because when they buy goods made in China, they only pay $1 but they expect it has the same quality as what they pay $20 buying from other countries, otherwise they will say goods made in China have bad quality. Chinese products save the life cost for people around the whole world. Chinese products make people be able to afford to supporting their daily life. But for some of those people there is no word "appreciation" in their dictionary and philosophy.
i realy like the paint job you did on it :D
Me too! Took ages though!
@@RobRidesEMTB ya
Yeah! Looks so clean!
@@RobRidesEMTB Was a bit unsure about paint job, but does look amazing!
Pity that frame prices will be now 20% higher?
Paint are stunning, great job. I newer worried about Chinese carbon frame. When you pay good money to Chinese manufacturer then you can expect good quality. China and Thailand produce 90% carbon frames.
GREAT REVIEW. Please continue to ride this all season as much as possible. It would be nice for all of us if you could provide a final sanity check with the frame quality. Thanks for doing this great build!!!
So hyped for the next video with the more powerful motor! Man I love this video series :)
I think for another video idea you could test the upgraded motor on the frame and compare the two. Lovely looking bike. I’m 6”3 and I’m wanting to get back into riding after having a big crash a few years ago
Best EMTB channel on the net, keep up the excellent content 👏
Cheers Paul cant wait for an amazing 2021 season riding!
And it's not even close
Excellent review Rob , and glad to see both you and the bike are still in one piece 👍.
Brilliant video. Thanks for the content. Your paint job on that bike is wonderful.
Rob: Showing comments about dangerous cracking chinese frames. Also Rob: So to help to test the frame I called in Matt... Now that's a true friend who shares his new toy before he even tries it !
Not that cheap, but at least you have the sense of achievement that a build like this brings.
It's a very nice looking bike. Good work.
Love ❤️ these new videos, I’m trying to find out more about these Bafang Motors and see if they match the other competition
Really great video Rob. So well filmed and put together.
The production quality is insane. Wow.
Another cracking video mate!
Glad you enjoyed it
Rob just brilliant again, superb follow up to the build video. Love to know where the testing was done... Looks good. Keep up the good work. 👍
The paint is spectacular! Nice job. Very entertaining series.
Hey Rob. Manufacturers often tune the Motors for the expected use. Maybe you can get a Programming cable and tune the Motor to get more "punch" in the highest mode? would be nice to know if that is possible.
Interesting with this “smooth power delivery”. My bbshd with 160Nm feels like a motorcycle :) I find myself struggling to keep the front wheel on the ground if I go full power :)
Hes probably using low voltage battery
@@nipuns7663 just note the same motor at all
@@currymasterrace7153VRMinde must be using a higher voltage battery like 52v,so bbshd performs better
@@nipuns7663the m500 shown in the video is 48v. even with 52v the bbshd would be more powerfull. The m500 as way less amp. The m600 is closer but still less powerfull.
Thoughts on the bbs02 with a 48v 17.5ah?
Oh man i love the sound design and every other aspect of this video
I was a bit worried Rob that you may be a bit hard on the CHEEB because it wasn't a 'sponsored' review. I am pleased that your assessment, as ever, was objective, fair, sober, no hyperbole or trash talk, and very informative. Well done Rob, I look forward to the next iteration of the CHEEB and who knows, I may go for my own (?mis) adventure!
The real test of the bike though is.... Will it withstand a day with Sam Pilgrim and some stairsets of doom!
Excellent looking bike though but it's needing some livery to complement the paint job
Today is gonna be Epic. This bike is the dream!
That wud be awesome
Last summer when you couldn't get any bikes I also looked at Dengfu and the others. In the end I was not brave enough. Very cool that you did that. Seems doable.
certainly I should have been not brave too...
Rob, loved the video. I wish I had the space, experience and tools to pull this off myself, I don't, but it was great watching you do it. Your enthusiasm and passion for EMTB is contagious. Thanks...you got me to click "subscribe".
dengfu sells built bikes too
Awesome been waiting for this all week👍 CLASS!!!!
Fantastic project, well done Rob. As an idea for an upcoming feature it would be neat to look into battery tech and the new 4680 batteries which will be the future. They’re not out just yet, but by my reckoning, each 80mm long 46mm diameter battery will store about 100watts of power. This could lead to very sleek frame designs and lends itself to a 5 or 600 watt main battery built into the frame with a very small and light booster battery, so like the Levo SL, but no power compromise and the potential to reduce weight and optimise weight distribution. Very nerdy I know.
I recon some of the best frames we all ride and love are from over there. The issue is that some factories have good standards and some don’t. Is it just luck to get a good one? I’m not sure. Would I be riding one without a good brands standards enforced into the manufacture? Nope.....Quality video though throughly enjoyed it. Glad it worked out well.
its research rather than luck. check youtube videos, blogs etc for people experiences and don't buy to good to be true prices. there are terrible companies that produce utter crap, then there are frames which might even be top name brands but have been rejected due to quality, then you get great frames which are Chinese own. so it's doing your research and don't pay the company directly, always go through Alibaba/aliexpress for protection. Same can be said for buying anything directly from china.
@@GlaucusBlue You know what you are talking about. Dengfu has been around for many years. Actually bought my analog hardtail four years ago. Surprised they are still still such a small company.
I believe your right. But I think the crucial factor is when western companies use parts made in the Far East, they are directly involved in the quality control. Just have a look at the European and Japanese Tech products that fill our homes. Many are made in China but with the QC overseen by the company they produce for. The same applies to Bikes, Guitars, Motorcycles etc. It’s not that China isn’t capable of producing quality goods. They obviously are! It’s just that most of the time they don’t have to because their goods are mostly designed for and sold to their less discriminating domestic market.
Not only bikes. Shimanos flagship fishingrod, the shimano lesath: made in china.
majority of mountain bikes are made in only 4 factories in taiwan, no mountain bikes you've every heard of will come from china.
Mate that paint job is really up there with the best of them 👍 good review too
Nice edit! I'm glad the bike came together well for you and was awesome to ride! 🤙
"Total build cost inc. paint: £4050": nice bike, but I'm not sure that the video title "the CHEAPEST Chinese EBIKE" matches the reality ;)
I dunno, components on that probably cost half of it. You could drop the component level down to Pikes, Deore drive train etc, even go second hand and build all of that for hella cheaper.
And I think we were only interested in whether the frame would survive anyhow, lol.
The title is indeed misleading.
Yeah, it's really about the frame though
m.czcams.com/video/VZHWi2Ou5U8/video.html
my chinese ebike cost me £200...
Hey Rob - I have the same build through luna cycle X1 with M600 with Ludicrous mode. You definitely feel the difference. It's been a beast on the trail and held up in the Nevada rocky desert trails. Go CHEEB GO. Too bad you can't upgrade the motor in UK? Still wondering why they restrict it. Have fun!
Awesome job Rob be nice to see how it holds up long term ,love the channel keep up the good work
Another banger mate. keep em coming!
OMG, the color Rob! Looks YT Decoy'ish.
Exactly what I was thinking
Klein Quantum
The Cheeb LOL I love the name :D
Where you buy?
Tone loc smokin cheeb
that frame is stunning
Great video and project to watch, Rob. Thanks for doing this. I've been building bikes for the last 25 years and yeah, its usually cheaper to get a complete bike vs sourcing parts and build. You dont get the exact parts you want but definitely the time aspect when you could already be out riding. Plus the warranty covers all the parts too when you buy complete.
I'd be scared as heck riding that frame waiting for a major failure and no back up in case something happens. They've got nothing to lose if you break the frame and worse, your body. But hence the cheap price. If I DIY'd this bike I'd skip the fancy paint job and leave it bare carbon. That's a huge time savings there. It's great that the motor and parts seemed to fit right off. That's the problem with many of these cheap bike frames is the tolerances and Quality control checks aren't there. I was quite amazed that the motor had a nice little click when you put it in and all the screw holes lined up. Nice. I've had tolerance issues from American brands (seatposts with weld burrs preventing post insertion, front derailleurs not lining up because seattubes were not aligned, disc brake tabs so crooked that the brakes never worked correctly, etc) so seeing this frame be tight is refreshing, especially from an unknown Chinese factory.
Hell, the Chinese don't even trust their own factories for dog treats and baby formula because of these crap products causing deaths! This frame is not bad at all then. But i wonder about the longterm stresses.
This frame looks like there's plenty of room for a coil shock. Have you thought of putting a coil in there? It would ride so much more plush
I purchased a 29er HT frame around 7 years ago from China after reading a lot of reviews. It's my commuter bike and also dry weather local woods bike and it's stood up to everything I've thrown at it. I've even done a weekend in Afan and not had any issues with it. My one bit of advice would be to go directly to the manufacturer rather than eBay etc. And do your research on the brands.
Lovely bike. Great video.
Get the frame tested by a carbon fibre repair technician. Pretty sure they can scan the quality of the carbon. Might make for an interesting video. 👍
That has already been done. But the results didn't get published because it was going to ruin the branded frames business.
@@rubenvor true story :D
Really, Rubenvor. Would be interested to see those results .. I am a factory acceptance auditor having worked in Germany and on Italian frames . Can you point me in the right direction so i can look over these results and provide a response .
@@steveroylance7857 with such job u should know more about this that any one else here.
Search for Mark Ferguson, and then for the place where he took his frame to be tested. That guy who repairs frames and test them with ultra sound has cut in half a dozen of Chinese frames and compare them side by side with "branded" carbon frames. I can't seem to find that video.
@@rubenvor Thanks for the reply - will check that out. The main and significant issue is how the carbon fibre is aligned. The testing has to be designed so the testing specification accelerates the movement and strain within the fibres . Ultra sound is not a test that would provide a meaningful conclusion regarding the performance of the frame , unless there is a baseline and its a test repeated and stages over a defined period . Carbon frames have developed hugely, just need to be sure these frames are same . Personally I ride a carbon frame- want to know its going to get me home when I am out 30-40 miles from now where. I will check out Rubenvor - cheers for heads up . Personally I have never owned a specialised. I mention specialised because although they are a mega brand etc etc they were one of the forerunners in developing these frames and they have a history and have invested heavily and most of us now are reaping some of these rewards as the innovation trickles around the MTB world producing on the whole safe bikes.
What an amazing bike Rob! Great video as always....
Damn dude! Like the bike test, but really love your excellent video production. Props.
here in brazil, everybody ride chinesse hardtail bikes, its re branded product. Also, sometimes that bikes get broken, but it is kinda strong
i have a bafang bafang bbs02 on commute bike and you can reprog with the software( Torque, assit level .... ) , is it possible on this motor ?
Great Video, amazing shots, great cutting, nice content and awesome paintjob on that bike, it‘s fire🔥
Great review Rob. I think you are right about self build, however I can say from personal experience, learning/building your own bike has great satisfaction in it when completed, but it’s not for the faint hearted. Echo the comments about time, trial, error, tears 😭 in that order 😀. BUT what a feeling when you have a unique bike on the trails!
So it’s just the frame, not the bike as you’ve sourced the parts yourself?
Hats off the giving this a go ! E-BALLS ! Great Project, excellent video ! Orgasmic Cinematography again, love the aspect ratio - Top job guys. Just for reference, how tall is Matt ??? Hopefully you can tune the motor on day and increase the equivalent of "acceleration response".
I'd watch a whole video just on that paint job! I can't believe the finish you got painting that yourself!!!!
Great job rob i am looking forward to Cheeb V2, keep em comming.
The bafang range is easily adjusted to your liking with a programming cable. Would be nice to see a proper head to head with a bit of tweaking, buying cheap often means you have to do the tunning and troubleshooting rather than the manufacture, which for us cheap skates is fine.
Hi. The M series (500, 600 and 620) are NOT user programable. The Bafang controller uses a proprietary CANBUS. Innotrace do make an aftermarket controller for the M620 that allows programing. This is very expensive though. They are working on a controller for the M600 as well but to be honest, I don't think the M600 needs it. I have 2 of the E10's with the M600 and I think Rob will see a noticeable increase in power.
@@brentmckenzie5808 damn it, that's a shame, I thought they all were.
@@GlaucusBlue I have the M620 and it’s user programmable. Look up EggRider.
@@brentmckenzie5808 I actually have the Innotech Archon X1 controller 1000w and it is a brilliant upgrade for a few reasons I highly recommend it, but the standard m620 can be programmed using the bbshd programing cable plugged into the display connection on the loom. Unless they have changed this on recent motors.
I do not know about the m500 or m600 tbh but always assumed they were.
@@brentmckenzie5808 is the stock m600 smooth with power delivery and does it shut off when changing gears?
Those b-roll shots are pure sex! Excellent camerawork, and fair review!
Love the review and first video! Very inspiring... I placed an order last week with the Bafang M600. Let’s see how it keeps up with my other bikes! Btw, the colors and finish is just sick. This build will help me get familiar with all components and keep me busy this winter. Especially with COVID lockdown...! Thanks for sharing.
Where do you order this bike? Thx
are you done and tested the bike you ordered? how is it?
@@marioendrinal2345 Hi Mario, I've had issues with the electric cable connectors, you really need to push them into their sockets hard... Frame and finish are ok.
That paint job is just gorgeous!
Can't go wrong with chromacoat.
Great video Rob.
I ride a Frey with the m600 motor.
You can adjust all the settings on the m500 motor.just need the cable and download software.you can then adjust to smooth delivery or punch.
My Frey m600 complete bike came delivered around £3000 with high end parts.yari forks . magura mt5 4 pots and Shimano.and it destroys bikes twice the price and no building required.
Something else you could perhaps review.
The frey has actually been allowed to compete in a recent enduro (in its own high power class).
FYI I believe that your motor on the Frey is actually the Ultra M620 not the M600. But yeah your right I think all of them are programmable.
@@tomwebber9936 the m600 bike has the m600 motor .I've got one.
The ex .cc.am have the 620
Better with the m600 120nm, it can be boosted with a aftermarket controller to 2000w for off road use .watt wagons also has the e10 with the bafang ultra motor that has 160nm of tourqe and can also be upgraded to run 2000 plus watts also.
Can you run the M600 off an external controller like a Phaserunner? I have the BBSHD but it's too powerful for trails, although I could put it into a low power mode.
LUNA controlles works worse than stock one. You csn check reviews of them. Totaly disapointed.
I've been staring at Wattwagons for a couple months now. The upgrades are too expensive but I like the German controller.
Also, I like Wattwagons' E10 frame slightly better than Rob's. Check it out. It can hold a bottle.
Your videos are very high-quality!
Great job, Rob! Very impressive project.
People really need to lose this Chinese cheap frame stereotype, just trawl the mtb forums and you'll see hundreds of posts ftom recent years of bike frames from all the top manufacturers that have snapped, I snapped a Scott genius and an orange stage 6,
Brands like Scott give you actual warranty. They provide professional work, their bikes are made with a guarantee to last and if they don't, they provide warranty. Where as in China, you have the risk of forced labour, where people sit in a factory usually 12 hours a day and make these frames with the poorest materials. Making a carbon frame requires a lot of work, molding, layering and glueing, and it's not something someone can just do. Chinese usually don't give warranty and if they do it'll take them months to even receive the frame. It's very obvious why people think carbon chinese is terrible. i believe carbon should only be reserved for people who can afford it.
its where my santa cruz hightower was built in china
@@megane230f1 It was manufactured in China by professional workers. Export from China is the cheapest way to manufacture, but sketchy forced labour brands you see on AliExpress or possibly other brands are usually not that caring for their frames.
@@DoomerLoser alot of reputable Chinese companies do give you warranty.
Frey for example have excellent after sales.and the bikes they build are superb.
I have a m600 and it's superb.my haibike is now gathering dust.
Don't be to judgemental. have a open mind and you mite just be surprised .
@@scottjameseaton5503 As I said, it all boils down to the risk of those other manufacturers who are enforced labourers. Almost everything we use is from China these days, and carbon frames are one of them. We're talking about cheap brands that are usually unheard of in the industry.
You said the frame is made by Dengfu. From what I know they also produce for a number of the name brands so the quality shouldn't be an issue. I had a Dengfu TT bike years ago and ever had any issues at all.
good quality of your videos! appreciate it!
What a great thrill ride on all levels! Hats off to you, Rob (and of course The Bike Pilot) for putting this video together. Looking forward to the v2.
Next key question: on the budget bike and riding fun side, how would you this rate this against your Decathlon Stilus?
Thing with carbon is it's really strong until it isn't. A couple of sessions doesn't really prove anything. £4k may not be expensive for an E Bike, but it's a hell of a lot of money and I would suggest it's too much to risk for most people. Great series though and you did do a great job on the paint
Exactly, and QC is the problem with these Chinese things. So this one may be fine, so may the next 8, but the 10th breaks someones face.
It is common for china to do pre delivery tests and destruction tests , all im seeing is the major brands having to stop gouging the market now so the cheeb does not get a foot hold
@@CarkeekW the Chinese are capable of fantastic innovation and top world class engineering and build quality. Unfortunately they are also world leaders in cheap knock off's and fake products. It's virtually impossible for us in the west to tell which we're dealing with.
Cheeb V2 does that mean you’re doing a giveaway for V1?!
No way he's giving that away. Too much time and money involved with the build.
Amazing, I was looking forward to the test. I really loved the paintjob, this project reminds me well of custom made PC's including paint work and cooling vs store bought ones.
I would want to build one in the future, for the sake of being able to personalise it, starting with the finish, to what components you add to it which really makes is unique.
For now, I have been riding my Cube Stereo Hybrid 160, which for pretty much the same money (4400 EUR) does amazingly - and your tests were a great inspiration for when I bought that bike. I live in Switzerland and bought it from across the border because they had it in stock, meaning I also get some VAT back, it comes in at pretty much 4k EUR. I've also ordered 3 months ago a Trek Rail 5 for my wife, which apparently will arrive in Septermber =). Let's see how that one will compare to the Cube.
Beautiful cinematography
I remember when K2 skis moved their production from Washington state to China. Everyone flipped out that they would be crap after moving. I used to break the Washington skis yearly (which was nice because I got new skis every year). Once they moved the production to China the quality went WAY UP. Never broke a Chinese pair ever. Just because something is made in China doesn't mean it's crap. Doesn't mean it isn't either, but the Chinese are more than capable of building a quality product (and for less). Totally legit to be concerned that this bike might break, but it's not a sure thing.
"Its not far off from what I ride which is a specialized kenevo" Thank you for confirming every suspicion. Why would I spend 12 grand again? Listen, I dont even bat an eye up to about $6k. You can point to and see 6k worth of bike parts. Really great fork, groupset, wheelset, of course thats gonna rack up the cost. I get really pissed off though when the ebikes that I would actually like to buy, with spec I feel are actually good enough (and not like the spec of sub 1000 hardtails yet cost $3-5k). This video is amazing because it got me fired up about this. Im sorry but trek, specialized, all you guys talk out your ass about the R&D. This chinese company just showed you up. Oh yea there so much engineering involved, ooohhh its worth thousands over our competitors. No, it simply isnt. China is also screwing with the audiophile world right now. Im a big fan. Lets expose the markup and get some proper competition going. Bikes are taking off, now is the time to support the companies that make stuff I can both AFFORD AND WANT!!!
I bought my Cheeb fully setup for $3450. I added carbon wheels, coil shock, bars, pedals, magura m5, and better cassette and I am at $4500. Its a pro quality build now for half the price of a major brand and it rides just as well. Finally someone "officially" reviewed here and confirmed what thousands of us already knew, that big name brands are far overpriced. And none of them are coming with 840wh batteries.
@@phattysnow where did you buy bud?
Look at Frey ebike good Chinese company affordable bikes good spec warranty good option for those who cant build
@@mav5204 thank you I'll give them a look
@@phattysnow What wheelset did you get?
Really interesting Rob & great editing!
Fantastic job on a beautiful build!
My gf said the bike looks like a girl's bike, but I'd love to have one in a color like this.
Ai u hav a ukfiln 👷🏾♀️👴🏻👇
that's what I said painted a for a day
Can I get one in aluminum, titanium or steel? Don’t want carbon ever
Walty is supposed to be a good custom titanium frame maker. I think Trace Velo or China Cycling got one.
That paint job is lovely
Great video, cant wait to see V2
Cheap not equal to low quality, it's just labour is cheaper and actually, a lot of Chinese workers especially technicians could do a much better job than other countries same position, they just get paid less. And that's also related to China's economic strategy to holding its position in the manufacturing industry...To be honest, a lot of stuff made in the US or made in Canada has much lower qualities with an even higher price than Aliexpress.
Dito! Wise words man!
It's not even the labor cost making it so much cheaper, as most big company's frames are made in similar overseas factories. The higher prices come from marketing, r&d, warranty, and a few other things but labor cost is roughly the same.
@@Nythos_ you mean a Chinese worker makes the same as a US worker?
@@rubenvor no if you have a US made frame then the labour cost is a major factor. But most usa company's frame are made overseas
Little do these people know..........that the carbon frames from their trusted brands are made in China.......😉
yeah, but with western world quality standart and strict quality check... something else is chinese copied shit with chinese owners..
Some of them even made by DengFu or whoever makes this frame.
Good vid Rob looking forward to the next 🤙🏻
You have done a awesome job on the bike and if it ever needs a new home I'm always here.
'Made in China' stereotype is getting old at this point. When there was this sudden rise of manufacturing industry in China long time ago, workers or even project managers were prone to make mistakes because they were still learning. Now after a couple of decades, they have become so good at making stuffs that they can grab lower grade raw material and make it as good as a high end stuff.
Problem with Chinese products is they often lie about the specifications. Like what he says about the motor, seems like it's nowhere close to 95Nm. Like chinese 9800mAh 18650 batteries that in reality are under 2000mAh. Judging by the fact that the battery seemed to last forever the motor is probably quite weak... especially since they probably lied about the battery capacity as well.
Clickbait titles show your true colours.
I'm kinda in love with this frame
Excellent work with the videos and the bike!