Final Fantasy XVI Echoes of the Fallen Review - Something to Hold Us Over
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There may not be a lot to say about Final Fantasy XVI Echoes of the Fallen, but that doesn't necessarily signify a lack of quality. Its few hours of gameplay offer an enjoyable dungeon experience with memorable enemy encounters that rival and even surpass those in the base game. While the narrative may not be the main attraction, it does set the stage for The Rising Tide DLC, which has been confirmed to be a more substantial experience. Ultimately, Echoes of the Fallen is a worthwhile addition for fans, while those who are more hesitant should exercise caution.
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Looks like a fun DLC, I'm happy to have new FF16 content.
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Gameranx is a good one too
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This is a fair review imo and I'd also give it an 8/10.
Although I loved the combat and the intense visual spectacles with mature themes, I think some of that "FF" charm was lost. It is RPG-lite in terms of crafting and stat enhancements, status ailments, which I think could have really made the game more balanced and increase the challenge further.
This would have pushed it up to 9 for me.
I did enjoy the story overall from Clive's perspective, but would have loved to see more emphasis from other characters. I did miss the active party system, which would have added more layers to combat.
And I can't give enough praise to the VAs and to Ben Starr's performance. And what a fantastic performance indeed. Of course, the music was an absolute audio treat and kept me engaged throughout.
It's as if i'm reading my own thoughts when i read your comment. I loved the story and i loved Clive's journey, which is in no small part due to Ben Starr's performance. Not to mention Cid and Ralph Ineson's performance as him.
But i would have liked to have seen more of what Joshuas had been doing the past 13 years, also Gav and Otto. They get surprisingly little screen time, eventhough they are presented as Clive's best friends and next to Jill, the closest comanders under him.
Not to mention Jill. She came of very bland, not really fleshed out, which was more than ok from the start given the trauma she had suffered, but she is very much "kept in background" after giving Clive the push he needed to come back "to the living". We get that final scene were Clive and Joshua makes an effort at making Jill happy were she again confesses her love for Clive and how she knew he would always come to her rescue, but that still just left her as the main characters "love interest" and not her own person. There is material to take from, like her friend she told to leave when we infiltrate the base, that we never get to see again.
Take FF7 as an example, both Tifa and Aerith are love intrests for Cloud through out the story, yet they are also fleshed out as ther own characters beyond their relationship with Cloud.
I would have preffered _more_ side missions focusing on Jill, Gav and Otto. It's litterally only close to the end of the game where we even get a few scenes were Clive and Gav just hang out as friends and a scene were Otto reads an old letter from CId were we see Clive and Otto show the bond they have built over the years.
I think i would have given the game a 10/10 if it had the junction system closer to the older FF games with elemental weaknesses and strengths and couple of more interesting side missions with Clive's closer friends. But as it stands now, i agree with your 8/10.
Nothing brings me more joy and excitement than a new FF installment. Let’s go!
Short and cool; so much so that I want to replay it on harder modes and get a high score in Ultimaniac mode. I'm glad criticism's are being capitalized on at least for dlc.
Loved this DLC, wish it was in the base game
I just finnished FF16 yesterday and the DLC was such a treat foing into FF mode now.
I think the hifhlights are the battle upgraded which seems really tuned toward upgrading and rewarding your spesific playstyle.
Plus covering a dtory of what Ultima in the end had to stop going into his slumber.
Plus the Omega fight!
I didnt get more then a few game overw in the main game. Bur this were a fifght i got torned apart.....
A very welcome challenge
Great dlc for 10$
A 3 hour dlc is not going to hold me over
It's supposed to be an appetizer for the Spring 2024 massive Leviathan DLC.
So if I've beaten the game and completed every side quest will i be able to access this dlc?
Yes you will. Once you load a cleared game save file it puts you back before the final battle and it will trigger the quest.
It was short and sweet haha, i loved it, was fantastic to play with clive and hear Joshua, i love his voice, and play with Torgal... and the final Boss AMAZINGGG!!!! I died several times x__x.. but it wa so dammm satisfying!!
hmm, but $40 satisfying? seems like a lot to me, for not a lot of content?
@@b00g3rs21the DLC $9.99 in the US... IDK where you are but $9.99 is a good value imo.
@@b00g3rs21 40??? 40 what?? I paid 25 dollars for both dlc .___. If you paid 40, you were scammed!!
@@craigzorzy2105ohhh I see, fair enough then. I wonder why I was reading $40 on some articles.
@@b00g3rs21 I think they discounted the game to $40 for a limited time for the game awards
I did not realize this was already out
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 love this DLC
The game is good. No doubt. But they really need to fix darkness\ blackness in the environments. Too dark env. Just leave the special effects to be visible most of the times.
I’m as die hard an FF fan as anyone out there. And I thought XVI was an excellent game. Was it perfect? No, far from it. But I appreciate the risks that Squenix took to mix up the formula, and while it’s not your usual FF game, they hit a lot more than they missed with this entry. The combat system probably being the most standout feature of the game.
As for the DLC, it might have been short, but it was definitely sweet. And the final battle with Omega was undoubtedly the highlight. I did expect more of a challenge based on the reviews - I beat Omega on my first attempt in both normal and FF mode - but it wasn’t a walk in the park either. The one negative I have about it is the accessories you find in the Sagespire are a bit OP (well, a lot OP) and make it a lot easier. But overall, it was a great addition to the game’s lore and brought some much needed additional challenge factor to it. Can’t wait for The Rising Tide DLC!
Definitely will be checking this out
it makes for a decent weekend release, but some might want to wait for the more substantial 2nd part of the update, well, hopefully substantial
@@NoisyPixelNewsi believe in a recent interview they said the second DLC will be around 10 hours long and have sidequest.
@@wood1066 this would be awesome. I would hope they take criticism into account and make optional areas like caves/dungeons to find in the New World space. Stuff to make it feel more RPG-like
@@eazybaby5094 Me too, but this DLC showed that they listen to the criticism about how most accessories in the game were just stat and damage boost. All the new accessories in the DLC actually give really good gameplay changing effects.
DLC aside they really should have added a way to skip any and all cutscenes, even those horrendous mid fight ones with this update. You won't like this game very much when you have fought through kupka for 4 hours straight trying to no damage, cause at least 1 of those hours has been kupka finding out that the world has chosen, he is in fact in his element.
I really enjoyed this game but I’m hoping in the next game they expand the RPG elements. I love the combat, but I want more build variety than just accessories and Eikon combinations. How about gear that actually impacts your stats differently? Gives you unique abilities that can change your play style. More weapons than just your sword. God of War Ragnarok has more but variety than FF16 and that’s disappointing. I think taking the franchise in that direction will satisfy both fanbases.
Now we wait to clap leviathans cheeks and who knows maybe well get new dialog for the ending cause now clive should be a complete vessal
Would be cool if they added an alternative ending
I'm curious to see who is Leviathan's Dominant.
I'm guessing a female Mysidian.
@mckloggins or they don't, and we see clive get eaten by coconut crabs again
Better than that Tales of Arise DLC, I know that.
I wanted to like FF16 so bad and I was loving it the first several hours but as I reached midway I was finding myself not enjoying it as much and then by the end it just felt like an obligation to complete. More power to those who liked it but this was not for me
Should have named FF16: Final May Cry or Devil Fantasy
Eh wasnt bad but way too short
I hate that so many hatrers feel they have to make their opinion heard. We don’t care if you don’t wanna play the DLC bro. Go watch something you like.
Especially when the review itself is positive
Imagine if someone said: "I hate that so many fanboys feel they have to make their opinion heard. We don't care if you like the DLC bro." To try and silence completely fair criticism for a painfully mediocre game isn't just immature, but something that will end up hurting you in the end. The reason why we voice our opinions is that we see the flaws, and believe that SE can do better. And if you silence those who voice said opinions (out of their love for the franchise, mind you!), that will leave SE complacent and lazy. And then, guess what? One day you might end up as one of us, a part of the voiceless crowd moving away from the franchises we've grown up with and loved.
@@user-rz6oz7ww8r scores don’t agree w/ you so sounds like a you problem. No matter how much y’all whine, y’all are still the minority opinion. So kick rocks.
@@user-rz6oz7ww8r and I say this as someone who has my own problems with the game, such as lack of optional areas & exploration, & lack of cosmetics. Still a good game tho
@@eazybaby5094 if we're really such a minority, then why are you complaining in the first place? Also, I don't care with so-called "scores" disagree with me. Modern gaming media are mostly just shills with no respect to gaming as an art form.
One of the best games .
The people complaining that FFXVI is unique from the series are easily confused and lack self awareness on a critical level.
People who, instead of game, start discussing other people are forever stuck in puberty.
People have different tastes? You don't say. I'd say that people who can't accept that others have different values and opinions lack scope and are blinded easily.
This game is🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
We dont need turn based Final Fantasy games anymore. Im sorry but turn based is the past. If anything id settle for something more like Baldurs Gate 3's combat systems
Holy shit, the amount of FF boomers is unreal here 🗿
In my experience this ff was shit right next to strangers of paradise. Im waiting for ff7 rebirth which will be the next best installment next to ff7 remake.
Ff16 may not have a good story but neither did Origins and it was still fun
Traded my copy for Armored Core 6, guess i won't be playing this FF16 DLC.
I'd consider it for free. I got the platinum trophy in around 65 hours and that was a slog. To be honest I was kinda glad it was over. It's probably in my bottom 3 final fantasy games.
65 hours platinum trophy?, bro you are too fast
@@PeEzequiel my Final Fantasy mode playthrough was basically a speed run. I skipped every cinematic and didn't do any side quests. Everything was too repetitive to do again. 65 hours felt like a lifetime!!
Easily the most skippable FF for me. It'll happen for me one day, on strong discount, on PC, years from now.
Why do you not like it?
It feels like a spin off rather than a main entry, i dont blame you at all. The first 5 hours are interesting but it very quickly becomes methodical and bland, and the art direction/design doesn’t do it any favors either.
@HardboiledBread honestly the build up to all bossfights was pretty interesting, i really liked it till the end. But i understand that people may not like it sinse its not the kind of final fantasy game people wanted as in that its more a action adventure game.
Still really loved the art style and hoe everything looked personally
@@minisnee It has a lot of filler padding, the characters are almost all weakly written except for like Clive and Dion. Jill and Joshua feels like accessories to Clive rather than their own characters. The game has barely any RPG elements, yet it's advertised like an RPG and even was labeled one during the game awards. The last 3rd of the game with Ash as incredibly rushed and the final dungeon was just a cutscene with quick-time events and a boss fight. Even the ending wasn't finished, instead being super open-ended which was incredibly dissatisfying.
The best parts of the game was the graphics, voice acting and gameplay, but even the gameplay suffers as late-game it just devolves to gigaflare, judgement bolt and Odin ability spam.
For me it just doesn't feel like a final fantasy game. The heart of these games has always been "my friends are my power" so I don't understand why they completely gutted the party system. They feel like accessories rather than a part of the game and you only get Jill and Torgal for like 80% of it. I kept waiting for the story to evolve and the characters to charm me. It just never happened
Conceptually i like the story somewhat but i abhor this direction for the series. This is barely an rpg.
Yours is a very embarassing take
Define rpg.
someone described it as more MMO with more a focus on rotations and abilities. And I'm inclined to agree.
It's an action game/movie with rpg elements tacked on.
@@sacb0y It's more like DMC with the FF14 ability rotation philosophy, one that I very much dislike because of it's staleness and repetitiveness.
FF "fans" still whining I see.
Everyone knows that a true “fan” will eat any shit if “Final Fantasy” is written on it.
No, just ff shills still complaining that others don't like certain games.
@@paledrake I have to wonder why someone would be watching a video about DLC to a 6 months old game they don't even like.
@@wood1066 Because Noisy Pixel and because I still own the game. Maybe they'd adress the things I didn't like.
@@wood1066 because we still care about Final Fantasy as a franchise, and want to see it rise above its current state and succeed. We're still holding out hope that SE learn and improve.
Open world Devil May Cry
It isn't open world and it isn't devil may cry😂😂😂
Why are u saying that like it wouldn't be awesome😂
This DLC is a scam, 10$ for 2 Hours, don't buy it.
What made the game suck imo is the lack of RPG elements like the previous final fantasy had.
Oh so you didn't play it
who cares
@@Rich_P_Anya thats a dumb argument. Thats the same as "play 100+ hrs of atarfield because thats where the fun start"
@@Riku2005 fans of final fantasy. thats why the game sucked and it didnt sold well
@@Rich_P_Anya They did, you didn't apparently. It allows you to equip three accessories with mostly weak effects. That's it. The weapon/armor are just stat-sticks where every new piece is a plain stat upgrade. The game is more an action game than a RPG.
Personally my issues with the game lies with it's story, pacing and exploration rather than the lack of RPG elements. It's still a 7/10 for me though because gameplay, VA and music carried the game hard.
I didn’t like FFXVI so I will skip all DLCs, as they look as boring as the main game. However, my question is why is this game so dark? You can barely see anything. I understand they want to be “dark and mature” but I do not think that mature means you need to play in complete darkness to see anything or adjust brightness of your screen to max 🤷🏻
Totally this. I was thinking the same when I was playing base game.
Really? I thought ffxv was super dark
Idk, but what I've noticed is that FF16 has a lot of the same problems as FF14. A lot of filler padding, empty open world and very linear corridor dungeons. All these are problems in FF14 too.
Adjust your black levels on your TVs HDR and you can fix it to your liking. Looks a little washed out with default settings. Doesn't fix some of the naturally grey and dark areas of the game, but they don't feel as stale
You have terrible taste is games.
Wouldn’t call this game an rpg. And as a game it’s bland. The story is good, but the side quests and the beat to beat moments are so boring. It feels like an mmo padding quests. The world even though beautiful, its lifeless. Where is my party ?? To me our companions were one of the best things about ff. now that’s gone. It’s sad.
No
It is an action rpg period.
Yeah the party system was a huge detractor for me the longer I played it. Its so dull, and your party members outside story beats follow you around like lifeless husks. The game did for sure have some cool moments and I can see how some people would like it. Just wasn't what I was looking for in a Final Fantasy.
And also it had the makings of a great ff title. Bringing back nobuo uematsu back as the music composer and have a solid team who built ff14 developing it, I thought it would be amazing. But I was really disappointed.
THIS. For me final fantasy is all about the ensemble of characters that really highlight the story. How did they not realize this. By gutting the party system they essentially removed the heart of this franchise and still tried to pass it off as a final fantasy game. NO. I may be willing to give things a try because I'm a supporter, but I will not be willingly ignorant and ignore the fact that I don't like this game and the decisions they made with the RPG system.
It’s not an rpg. Action/adventure yes.
It’s an action rpg. The rpg elements aren’t as lofty as we’d all like, but it still involves skill points, leveling, gear, equipment, etc.
@@DuskWolf99 your right. The rpg elements are minimal at best!
@@DuskWolf99it's a 1 out of 100 on an rpg scale. fuck this game
Nowadays soo many games have rpg elements with so many styles people seem to look for ways to exclude them from the family
Ff16 just felt off to me... I didn't even finish it
What a trash game.
Ok weeb.
Oh my god. damage counter? Disgusting
dumbass take
worst numbered final fantasy game ever. how tf is this an FF game!?
Cry harder
You played the other FF games as a child. Of course they felt more fun and intriguing back then. But they aren't. This is the right direction for the series
One of the best. Final onewaystreet X is the worst.
trash take from shit player as per usual.
It's not a final fantasy game, they just slapped on the title so it would sell. It's way too big of a deterrent from the rest of the franchise to even consider this a ff game. It's unfortunate but ff has fallen into the corporations hands and we've seen time and time again how that plays out for these video games developers. Larian studios is the last hope in a sea of sell outs.
HORRIBLE RIP OFF.
Looks like this should've been free lol square & ff are dead. Lost their magic. If you've played one, You've played them all at this point.
the series is dead but you're completely wrong. theyre all different, noob