Why you DON'T IMPROVE at osu!
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- čas přidán 10. 03. 2024
- Starting a series of discussion videos with a topic near and dear to me: why people struggle to improve at osu!. I've had plenty of experiences over the years that I think have given me a refined perspective on the matter.
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no. i don't want to improve. i want to become worse. my ultimate goal is to become the first four digit six digit. to become this bad i gotta ruin my every single good habit and play so infrequently i get worse at every skill, but stay at my current rank.
Low 6 digit 900k here,wanna change accounts? :)
bro is not binfy 😭😭
Bro didn t see idke...
don't let your dreams be dreams go for 7 digit
Bro turned into digital hypno
I thought this was just another "how to improve at osu" video but this might be the best one yet
guaranteed 3 digit in 2 months after following this video
@@Khetomi1Surely 😏
clueless
@lemuze get your rafis skin ready and go practice hddt before i overtake you
exactly
actually putting in effort is the best advice, something that i do is play for skill in steps, skill farm then pp farm and then do it again
@imferolla thats a mental thing battle with between my steps
What I do is practice a skillset for a few days-week then swap to another, I almost never farm cause i find it boring
@@sobtrax1846 that is also great, this is also a step, it doesnt always have to be aim or tapping skill.
The question now is, is this video made for us, or is this video made for you, as something to hold yourself accountable to
Both ;)
Whatever dude. When is the next Cookiezi Documentary?
fgsky will always be my inspiration for improving
Such a good anology
It took me 3 YEARS to get to rank #99 999
But a couple weeks to get to #36 000
There are no tricks, no shortcuts, just play the game.
Also, practice the thing you hate. Anything.
it took me 1 year to get to rank 70k but cant improve any further 😢
how talala said, to improve you need 3k playcount a month
Not really. It is a difference if you play 3k easy maps or 3k challenging maps
Retryspamming for 3k playcount is doing way less than playing 1k consistency maps all the way through
Найс, реф к деду даже тут
thats not true at all I get 1k plays a month maybe but rarely retry and play maps that push my skillsets and notice improvement
i used to be able to get 3k pc/month very easily before, and i even thought that it was pretty low.
recently though, i saw my "hits per play" at 257 and wanted to improve that (ironic considering what willy said in the video, i know)
im currently at 267.54 hits per play, but at march 12, 2024, ive only gotten 400 playcount. by this point of the month id normally have around 1200-1500. even though ive played for the same amount of time, ive gotten 3-4x less PC.
at the same time, i feel as if these 400 plays have so much more value than when i would have had 1500.
I couldn’t play dt well so I was like “maybe I can brute force it” and after like a week of nonstop dt I beat my top play by nearly 60pp and got all new top 5 plays
I know it may sound very weird but this video is more complex than people will think. I was in a depression state i have some irl issues i can't deal with at the moment and this is a very helpful advice to everyone it just uses osu! as an example. Thank you Willy i never thought you will be the one that gives me that motivational speech so i can move on with my life.
Thanks for this video man. The "expectations" mentality is something that I am suffering through myself.
Personally i would consider myself a decently quick improver at this game. I find a main reason for that is, ever since i started playing I was ADDICTED to maps i couldn't play, andm ost of the time that i could barely even pass. However, I have had the same struggles as many others have with skillcap. I have had to go out of my way and really push myself, to be able to build good consistency and fundamentals, in order to actually clutch out good accuracy FC's when the time comes i actually am able to play the maps. I also used to mainly be a player who played a bunch of super huge and fast jumps, and also sometiems stacked short streams with next to no finger control that were just really fast. While I still do play that a lot, I have found that ever since branching out around the mid 5 digit range, I have found success in almost every skillset, even some you may not expect such as memorization, and technological aim. This has also contrubuted greatly to being able to really solidify those jump and speed abilities. Lately, I have been very stuck in pp. I can't progress and set new top plays, but the difference between me and otyher people is I recognize exactly why that is. I don't have the motivation to grind out FC's on maps that actually award me good amounts of pp, and I have also started to delve way deeper into a lot of different skilsets rather than a really sharp focus on nomod jumps. Around 150 hours for first 200, and about 400 hours for first 300. I am now up at 1.1k hours, with no 400. But a lot of those hours have been spent SS grindind, completioniststing, unconventional skillsets, grinding out scores on random maps that don't contribute to my skill. I RECOGNIZE these issues, and I quite frankly do not care that much about general rank increase anymore. If I did, I would go straight to doing stuff the way I used to do them, and I can guarantee I could reach 4 digit in less than a month. But I am unwilling and unmotivated to go through what that month would consist of.
How did you swap over from pushing skill cap and going for scores on maps outside of your range to building consistency and fundamentals? I have around 225 hours in the game and my top play is 150, I have around 12 7 star passes on stable, 50+ on lazer, fcs on super high 5 stars (300+ for SS), and 0/1 miss plays on some 6 star maps, but I just cant get a play above 150, and I know its an accuracy and consistency issue but I have no idea how to actually get better at those things
Did you even watch the video? He talks about not to look too much into the numbers, also 2 similar sr does not mean the same level of difficulty as they may require different skillsets. All I can say is enjoy game play maps you like be it outside your comfort zone or not you’ll improve nonetheless. Stay consistent though💪
@@FlameOfWarPlay lower star maps than usual and push your acc. If you have trouble with tapping or reading a certain BPM build up to it step by step.
@@FlameOfWarAlso just play lower star marathon maps
@@FlameOfWar Personally I started to just play a whole bunch of different kinds of maps, not relaly caring too much about how I performed. I can't even really remember, but I know eventualyl msot skillsets just "click"
this video already ruined speed, aim and reading players for the next 1000 years thanks willy
why?
this is something i really needed to hear right now, thanks willy
Interesting video,ty for doing that!
The mental barrier of numbers really does play a huge factor. When I was new, I had no idea what AR or OD was. I would mix around and try out mods a lot and occasionally end up with a neat score that I show someone and their response would be something like "I cant read AR 10.3" and I remember being like "wtf AR can go higher than 10?" because well osu doesn't, or didn't at the time, show anything past AR 10. Letting myself organically improve through ignorance was a happy accident. Also I would like to make a note of age being some kind of factor. I am in my early 30s, aside from joint pain because your body starts to fall apart as you reach your 30s, I really don't experience anything I would consider a barrier to improving other than time. I find that most people that complain about being too old are ranked way lower than me and 10 years younger.
this is the most helpfull video ive seen about osu ever. thanks a lot
this couldnth have popped up at a better time thanks willy
Thank you willy
great video, been struggling with the same kinda issue simply just not motivated/havent put enough time to improve, got capped at 6* 200bpm in 2020 and never bothered to grind myself out of it so ive been stuck for 4 years playing maps which are comfortable for me, maybe even closer to 5, im turning 26 soonTM maybe its over for me idk but im gonna try, very encouraging thank mr willy!
genuinely such a good video
A big one here is to not be ashamed to be stupid sometimes and admitting it to yourself. A lot of good players previously went through plenty of confusion and cluelessness, depressed meltdowns that it's all over after a bad session or period, mindblocks, self-diagnosed injuries and illnesses, cringevibrating doubletap high bpms, switching playstyle and settings every other map, or being inconsistant with their own advice. Just a matter of getting back on track every time and growing little by little as a player
This is the best Osu iomprovement video on CZcams by far
I had the same issue like a year ago, a little over. I was also at the point where I needed to learn streams in order to fc more maps and I would play a stream map very rarely when I felt like it and nothing changed. Later on, I started to play a couple of stream maps every session and I ended up doing really good. I managed to fc rog, which I thought I would never be able to do lol. It has been some time since that fc and I didn't play consistently so I am slower now but I know I can get back to that level much quicker and surpass it. My streaming ability improved a lot, but my aim, not so much, and that is the next thing that I am focusing on a bit more. So all in all, this video is very relatable and true and most of us are just making up excuses instead of putting in the work, because it's easier.
willy has so much experience. so take note. he also has the best narration voice in my opinion
You'll be good at what you practice, that's what I learned over all the years of playing. I was and still am someone who was always more interested in trying to get high accuracy or FCing specific maps for w/e reason than actually pushing skillcaps, so I got good at just that, getting good acc with HD on maps up to 6 stars, 180ish bpm (or up to 200 without longer streams) and some easy DT maps I could get top 50 leaderboards on. It's not just about the time you put in, you have to actually play maps that are absolutely too hard for you for weeks before it's not too hard anymore. You have to suffer through constantly playing with nofail and getting B ranks, hands going sore, and you have to be OK with feeling stupid when you are unable to keep up with the reading. Sometimes I get sad/angry just like willy did about "having 2-3 times more playtime as some others but I can't even pass the maps those guys can FC". I also thought about all the possible excuses, including: lack of talent, shitty setup, getting nervous. I'm at the point where I can finally admit that I'm bad BECAUSE I choose to be bad; I enjoy comfort too much when I play, almost never pushing my limits. Perhaps ironically, the fact that I can still have a lot of, perhaps even more fun this way is holding me back. All in all, I'm not sure if I want to go through all that hassle and put all those hours in while I'm probably not having fun just to get better. Perhaps my greatest motivation would be to be able to play (and not with HT or RX) some of my favorite songs like metal maps that just absolutely don't have easier versions.. or maybe I should just become a mapper instead, lol. If anyone actually decided to read this, I'd like to know: what motivates you to push your limits in osu?
this is what i would have told off to my past me if i had the chance yet i am kinda angry i dont apply it, i want that magic of being clueless at what im doing back yk
thanks mr Will
Patience and ability to coach yourself is everything, I was practicing speed for a very long time (I think months of just speed maps) with little improvement and stayed at 240bpm streams.
After coming back to the game after 1.5 year I realized with a replay analyzer that I was fingerlocking and I DID have the speed to tap up to 280 but not the finger control, so after practicing that for a few weeks I got to streaming 250bpm. I wish I knew about replay analyzer before that though, I probably wouldnt have been a hardstuck for so long xd
I usually play on maps that I can beat to improve and I enjoy it, and when you see the score improve you will be happy and it makes you better and makes you happy.
best take on this i’ve seen
100% true, doubt can make improvement impossible at times but if you put the effort with enough time you will not believe how much you can improve
willy eyes really keep me awake at night
As long as hes human and you're human, you can reach as far as he can. Only time becomes the factor to reach it. Ive been trying my best to become as good as Guest037/Adrastea when it comes to thumb playstyle and I keep on playing as much as I can eventho struggling alot. I can do low bpm stream for now and focusing on improving my aim and flow if stamina and finger control hits the wall. Thanks for spreading this message about comparing yourself to others but instead focus more on self improvement.
thank you goat
Been playing since 2011. I agree with that self reflective mindset. I hadn't realistically heavily compared myself with others since 2017-2018-ish and instead focused more on having fun playing new maps than spamming the same patterns for days. I think hitting walls on improvement is normal, but having the strategy and mindset to the path for improvement is required to push past those walls.
I mean, I have my own minimum requirements for clearing maps, but I also don't let the failure of hitting those requirements hold me back from moving forward and finding different techniques and patterns to learn from. After all, the total PP displayed on the profile isn't exactly Performance Points, but the current Peak Performance you have at the time.
thank you
That intro goes crazy lmao
good video (im trying to get rid of my expectations / anger issues)
every mutual i see online playing every day and always giving their all to becoming better are always the ones to improve the fastest. dunno if it applies to other people but think of someone u know who plays a lot and is constantly skill capping, are they improving a lot? that's all the proof you need that effort yields results
Facts. In this point in time, osu! is still mainly a mental game.
Bro fr said "Be real and play more."
Dude is spitting facts like wildfire holy moley
This video makes me realise I don't have that desire to improve like I used to. Damn
Willy boutta be the Hamza of osu
real shit, the moment i started to play more than like 30mins a day and put in effort i started to improve just like that now im actually approaching 4 digit pretty fast
thanks
funny how this video comes in my recommended the day after i have my biggest popoff day in my history of osu lmao
i'm 16.9k rank at this point, stuck with my aim, high ar reading, most importantly - grip issues.I really think i don't push myself hard enough at this point, so i'll start. And when i get to 3 digit i'll leave another comment down here
I can relate with the ar thing I can do past 10 now but before I had to go on lazer difficulty adjust to practice ar10 and I thought that was weird
Ive lost my glasses for about like 2 weeks and within like a week of just grinding i went from mid 4 star to low-mid 5 star just by grinding lmao
ive always been bad at speed and blamed it partially on genetics, but when I set my mind to practicing speed and finger control I increased my speed potential by like 3 bpm PER DAY. ofc a lot of it is "beginner improvement" but improvement is always still improvement
now after a month or two ive choked my top play multiple times on 40/60 aim to speed difficulty ratio maps with my top play being like a 90/10 aim to speed ratio (some on mcosu since im not enough of a speed demon yet to dt get this right)
When it comes to speed and stamina i think genetics play a huge role but overall improvement is exactly what you r saying
Willy Wilson Wilkerson III
this playtime really triggers me , thats why i play offline and dont even bother to login (i have 40h playtime on the site which i know is low , but i felt like this playtime thing just blocks me from having fun but forced me to tryhard to get better pp faster and if i fail im shit), is more chill if u have this mindset like me "high playtime but barely doing 4star maps=bad" , so i just like i said started playing offline and chill myself not giving a f**k
i have simple goal in this game - to pass self vs self pendelum on 5star :D
which still looks like impossible task(hopefully it will look possible after some time)
How do you improve accuracy though?
This is just a question, and I have put in loads of effort, but it feels like I’m at the same level I was a year ago even with barely any improvement in either my UR (stays around 120-140 UR, occasionally goes close to 100 UR) or acc (stays at around 97-98, with rare 99’s)
My aim, speed and stamina have all improved leaps and bounds, but my accuracy has been stuck. Do I keep replaying maps with the intent to improve acc? Or do I play more acc focused maps. Suggestions appreciated!
Not looking at the stats of a newly downloaded beatmap and going straight into allowed me to farm so many 400s during my late 5 digit and early 4 digit era was my method. Looking how much pp the map is worth, how many fcs does it have, whats the bpm just shouldn't be the focus when trying to improve or simply farm a skillset your 100% comfortable with.
Im only 300k but i definitely conpare myself alot, i do push myself and have improved but because many people i see do higher bpm , i believe its impossible but anyone can achieve what they want with effort. Mindset is definitely so important, should always look at improvements even if its small and have fun
One misconception about improvement is that it's continuous, when looking at it in a large scale it sure look like it does, but when you look at it closely, it's more of a staircase, you don't just play a lot and look back and say "damn i have improved a lot" without feeling it along the way, you will be like "why am i not improving" then one day "why am i doing so well today no way i just improved". If you did improve, you will know it
Playing a lot will usually shuffle through all the combination of ways you play the game and you will subconsciously pick the best one, that's why play more help you improve (that's also why sometimes you lose your skill the next day because you couldn't maintain the previous thing you did right)
have you ever have a map that was suppose to be in your skill range but you just can't play it comfortably? But then completely breeze through it the next day? That's most likely because you changed your grip or your posture or the way you look at the note or maybe even your specs placement
I once tried to read in a funny way by focusing on absurd spot on the note and somehow improved my skill drastically because of that
If you are not hitting a pattern, change the way you hit it, look for way to utilize the input available, you might choose to listen to your irl keyboard sound, feel the mousepad for the cursor movement, change the finger movement you use to tap the key, time the note by using the music instead of the approach circle, mentally split patterns in different way, etc...
This is also the reason why plateau exist, you did all the obvious change there are and get stuck. Many people really spend a lot of effort improving but hitting a plateau because of this and lose their motivation thinking "this is my peak", but you just need to figure out that one thing you need to change to continue improving, if you normally play NM try playing HD or EZ or maybe even EZHD, you doesn't need to be good you just need to really try reading the notes so your mental adjust to reading those note so when you go back to NM the way you look at notes would be different. Just do absurd things and then go back and see if you improved is the fastest way to get out of plateau (from my experience)
NEVER BACK DOWN NEVER WHAT????
For some reason yt unsubscribed me from you, but showed me this video
Enjoy game
The secret to improvement is making osu your MAIN game/acticity, no room for other stuff
If i practice 200 for like more than 2 hours, i forget how to read and tap anything else and need to take a brake for a few days to reset my brain
One thing I hear a lot of people say is "You just have to put the hours into it". But I really dont like that phrase since I took it too literally. You cant just play a lot of maps expecting to become better. You have to actually try to hit EVERY circle and try your actual best to improve.
Long story short, practice what needs practiced, dont be afraid to do poorly, and numbers are evil. Got it, thanks =DD
what piece of data can you look at in a profile and know for sure if he is really trying to improve or not? the only thing that comes to mind in my personal experience is ACC. when i had 96% acc i was improving a lot. Now i have 99.2% acc but i can't fc the songs that i fcd 7 or 8 years ago
It really is just effort (and mindset but that’s part of it)
I do think play count is also really important though if you’re putting in at least 1k plays a month where you’re playing with the right mindset, you’re guaranteed to improve. Came upon that revelation myself when I got 600pp after not really playing for months it’s just time and effort like anything else
well i just got my first 600pp in a year thanks willy you are inspiring
thanks i now fced save me 4 mod !!
i remember how i couldnt read ar10 and got so upset about not being able to play hr so i played hr and actually tried for an hour and set a new second top play and my first 7 star fc lmao
sounds so easy when you hear it, but actually taking the steps is quite hard.
Still trying tho!
what if you've been practicing for like a year and still didn't improve? is there like a time frame where you have to keep going or just stop?
osu is an mental game
I play things outside of my skill mostly because playing in my comfort zone is boring, but can anyone tell me what you would consider skill cap? Is it things you can get higher than a C rank on or what?
i got an injury from trying to improve my speed (i cant steam faster than 140bpm). now everytime i try to push my finger hurts immediately. gg 4years and still 6digit so i quit
I'm wondering, is there an addon or mod that completely removes the star rating visibility from the game?
Mrekk whenever anyone asks how he improved: "idk"
It's like enlightenment. If you try too hard to reach it, you'll never get there. You have to wait for it to come to you.
real improvers apply the vincent method
I don't mind not improving, I've been getting worse for 6 months
Willyosu do you have a head dent
i needed this tnx i never leave a comment but i have to now
Willy.
Nah for me its mental I keep choking if the maps are 3mins + I'm not consistent enough to fc. Still learning 180 bpm acc as a 5 digit lmao.
I'm dumb didnt watch enough its a mental video which is nice
This applies to osu mania as well i g uess
applies to every game in general
@@IoLker39sports too and even academics I guess
I played 200npm the last week and i finaly got good
i've been playing osu for well over 2 years and i must say i've played for 2 hours a day trying to improve but I never got the results i wanted and it did upset me which made me quit the game. i've been stuck on 6 digit since i started playing and i havent seen any results. i need help
ive been 6digit for 9 years (hella long break tbf) and honestly its so much just mindset. I was so upset like “i Need to get better i need to get 100pp play i need to be 5digit” and then i came back recently bc i just wanted to have fun tbh and accidentally got my first top play in 5 years. Then first 100pp. my top 5 plays are all what i thought would be impossible when i was at my highest rank. Because i was just mad at myself.
over my break i got into adofai and occasionally played mania for Something and i think just passively improving finger control was huge for me.
Also my play sessions now are way shorter than they used to be (more so bc i dont have the time for 3+ hours)(nor stamina)
Idk. hope something here helps.
@@marioisawesome8991 I do play for fun now but it just feels like I've wasted so many hours on this game just to be 6 digits, I've gotten quite a few amount of 200pp plays but that's it.
IM GONNA BE THE NEXT MREKK
Because I'm physically limited and can't make my fingers move
i improved quicker than anyone i know by a mile
I honestly dont believe this. Some people CAN just do everything way better than you ever will. I was an osu completionist for 7 years training acc on every song and i still get absolutely DESTROYED on acc by people who played for like 1 month total then practiced acc for 2 days. This also applies to physical limits. I nearly got to 2 digits and my physical speed hasnt risen by 1 bpm since the day i started playing (200 bpm trills 150 jacks)
you have just fallen into the hole, rewatch the video and try to pull yourself out
Actually i am. But i will watch the video anyway
I don't improve because of my awful tapping and idk how to fix it. Like, I could set 600 pp plays one day, stream 200 with literally 80 ur, but the next day I played and I couldn't even stream 180 without fingerlocking and nothing changed since then
Ok, I lied, my tapping improved, now I can stream 180, because I moved my keyboard, but I don't have any stamina
real
@@arstd196 meow
for some reason ar 11 was never hard for me
Because I don't pp grind?
i can not think of anyone above 18 who came in top 100 sure there are old people in top 100 like rafis but they are all decaying and droping in rank don't get me wrong its not impossible, what i thing is impossibletho is if you start after the age of 18 play osu maybe if you played kovaks since you are 3 years old and played some other rythm game with tapping you can prob still get top 100 after 18 but that is not a fair comparison
if you are a tablet player and drag
buy more pen nibs
bro ive been at shit 3 stars for 3 years
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i don't have much time to play =[[[[[[[[[