ONE SURFACE FITS ALL?!?! DIFFERENCES IN BOWLING BALL SURFACES
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Do all surface pads have the same affect on a bowling ball?! Enjoy Jungo and Barks as they work down the surface line from polish to 500 grit, and see their reactions to different levels of abralon.
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Timestamps!!!
0:00 - Introduction
0:44 - Polished Idol
1:47 - 4000 Idol
2:49 - 3000 Idol
3:55 - 2000 Idol
4:58 - 1000 Idol
6:33 - 500 Idol
8:09 - Polished U-Motion
9:05 - 4000 U-Motion
9:48 - 3000 U-Motion
10:29 - 2000 U-Motion
11:08 - 1000 U-Motion
11:51 - 500 U-Motion
12:49 - Summary
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Surface took me a long time to grasp. Good info guys.
Great video, thanks!
Great Video guys as always! You’re channel has helped me so much as far as my game goes! I just bought two 2000 grit pads for my Trend and that might be the best $13 I’ve ever spent because as soon as I hit the lanes I bowled my new high game at 224 and had the highest average I’ve had in league! Keep up the great work because you help so many up and coming bowlers like me!
That's awesome Alexander ! Keep up the hard work!
You guys just made me a little bit smarter.
Y’all deserve more subs
The Idol polished up actually had a pretty good look to it, kinda liked that slightly angular backend. Never thought to shine it up, may have to try it. Ended up polishing up my IQ Tour solid a while back and loved how it turned out. I imagine a league bowler could buy like 3 of the same ball, whatever their go to ball is and shine one up, take a 4 or 3000 grit pad to the second one, and maybe for the 3rd ball just go with a completely different drill pattern, pin down if you have most your other balls pin up, or vice versa, and you could bowl with just those 3 balls and probably do pretty well most days. Think the only time you'd run into a problem is bowling on completely burnt lanes, then you may need something completely different, unless you loft it a third of the way down the lane like a Robert Smith😆
I nominate this video gets redone with how much better y'alls camera quality is with new balls. It'd be fun. Maybe some overlays of same line with the different surfaces to see how it looks!
Good video very helpful. I agree the factory finish at Storm is correct but it is fun to see the changes. Was at the TOC in Akron this year the one Prather won and they were sanding Ufos and Physix couldn't believe when i seen it. Thanks.
yea for the most part i feel like the box finish is ideal, but there are always exceptions, gets pretty soupy on tour lol
I bowled at the clinic. The pattern has so much volume you had to throw stronger balls with a dull surface
Nice Video. Question: I bowl with two hands like belmonte-ish, I have both of those balls and I was wondering since I have more rev should I change my covers because I do leave some ten pins with both or do I need to just stay consistent with finding my line and sticking to it or both? Any advice would help for house shot and other patterns
well this video just gave me some better insight as to what kind of surface will fit me best with my current arsenal and ill have to say polished, 3000 grit and maybe 1-2 balls with 2000 is around the ballpark i need to take on any lane patterns i face going into leagues for the first time and on the road to the masters. Great video and hope to see more like it with other bowling balls as well!
You keep sanding that thing and you'll end up with a cube.
Hahah at least an oval 😂
I can’t seem to decide whether 360 Grit or 500 Grit I should used on my 11 Pound Brunswick Twist which was a Low End/Entry Level Reactive Ball
JR~ your so hilarious !!!!~thats why your my favorite^~^learned a lot from you~keep up the good work♡♡♡
Would you guys shares what kind of camera you guys using it? 🙏 Thanks
About 8 years ago, I sandblasted a hyroad. The thing had pits in it and everything. I don't throw a huge hook but the thing was hitting the 7 pin from a strike shot. Throwing it 19mph and firing from the 30 at the 5 lmfao
I am a Lefty and I use 180 grit.
Ok, maybe someone can explain a couple things for me; I'm not very knowledgeable about using abralon pads, changing surfaces, etc. I've usually just had my pro shop owner watch me bowl and he usually made suggestions when I should get a ball sanded down or polished up. If I wanted to take a polished down to 3000, should I do it in steps......should I first take a 4000 to it and then go down to 3000, or can I just go straight to 3000? Also is there a certain amount of times I can use a pad on a bowling ball without worrying about taking down too much surface? I didn't know if you use a pad too much on a bowling ball if eventually the surface would be gone? My last question us, if I want to polish a bowling ball up, is it recommended to take it down to 1500? I notice pretty much every bowling ball that comes polished is usually a 1500 grit polished finish. What would be the difference between a ball taken down to 1500 grit and then polished and a ball taken down to 3000 grit and then polished? I'm guessing the 3000 grit polished ball would go even longer than the 1500 grit polished ball?
I have very low rev rate and I use a Gravity Evolve. I just bought a 500 grit pad cause my ball isn't hooking at all anymore. I've probably shot over 200+ games since I've had this ball though lol I know the Evolve comes stock at 2000. I hope I don't mess this ball up trying 500.
To be honest. You need to restore the ball with a revitalize and resurface. I use Clear and then I adjust the the surface to either factory grit or what I need. You do have to try and revitalize the ball to revive most of the hook. A surface change won't be as effective once the pores are clogged.
What was the finish on the ball before you polished it? I normally will sand the ball to 1500 before I polish it. Ken
I'm a lefty and us lefties know how to use resin
We just don't
#urethane
hahahahaha gold
@@jordanjungjrproshop9380 thx
Idol is my favorite ball too, haven't tried it polished. Usually have it between 2 and 3 thousand. Need to find something to use for game 3 when it starts leaving 10 pins.
Great question, I use an IQ Tour with the same layout!
3:00 I spy with my two eyes.. 😮 If you know you know!
It hooks more and closer the lower the grit.
I still couldn't even tell you why I surface my balls.
I can tell you why I do it but I can't tell you if my logic makes sense.
If I keep missing the pocket right (light) then I usually will surface my
ball (depending on which ball it is) down to about a 1000 grit hoping
that it'll allow it to get to the pocket instead of hitting right (light).
Do I know if I'm actually doing the right thing? No fucking idea! 🤣
6:09 JUNGO DEAD SHOT!!!!! BOOM!!!
I would like to see you bowl on natural wood lanes. Non-synthetic.
This is one of the best produced bowling videos I've ever seen, and also one of the most informative - awesome job guys. Do the lanes at this center generally play as expected, longer, or shorter for the patterns that are laid out? Basically, what's the topography and lane surface like?
Not sure what the topography is like. But the oil patterns play a little longer and slicker than on paper
@@jrproshop Good to know, thanks so much guys - much respect
@@jrproshop we'll get that fixed soon! ;)
I have a slower ball speed around 14mph, 2 handed. Im having trouble getting my Phaze II down lane without it hitting straight through head pin and leaving splits. Do you think a ball like this with a lower differential will help my slower ball speed and help me get it down the lane easier? thanks
Less ball would be good to give you more options for lines. Hustle wine works good, very long and Flippy.
Polishing the phase 2 would, isn't that why you're on this video.
Hi
How Strong is the omega Crux polished in combarsions to the Parallaxx and the halo pearl.
Alex
Well the omega should be polished if I’m correct. But the parallax is super aggressive and a halo is a slight step down
Hello, If you wanted to go to a proshop and make an arsenal (6 ball) for yourself, what balls would you choose? and what would be the drilling angles? sorry in advance for my bad translation
Rst x1
Rst x2
Axiom
Axiom pearl
Iq tour
Fast pitch
Those pins sound dead.... are those string pins??
Do you ever accidentally put your balls out-of-round when hand sanding? I have. They were visibly lumby with flattish spots :(
I never change my surface.
I either move left or right and throw it harder or softer.
Jungo is more my style personally I love the channel the only thing is is I wish you guys had a left-hander that actually hook the dang ball I'm a left-hander myself and I'm trying to get some ideas of how to move forward after the fire in my area lost all the equipment I had I didn't really have much and I was hoping to get some ideas of what to look for in the more modern era of gear I've got somewhat about higher rev rate my bowling style is like a left-handed version of Tom Doherty you could say any advice on where to go for side of bowling gear hooking it is more my game any balls you guys would recommend would be highly appreciated
Should really stick to smooth and medium range balls then, like the axiom, phaze2, iq tour
@@jrproshop thank you for the advice
Have you guys thought about using CTD try grit pads!
Yea we tried them in the shop, the abralon pads are bigger and thicker, much easier to use on the spinner and by hand
@@jrproshop FYI, Trucut have 6” pads as well as the smaller 5”. Same size as Abralon.
Is that light spot on the Idol where it rotates on the hook?
Nope, good eye though, that is what they call hazing, the early batches of the idol the cover stock would haze (turn lighter colour) if it sat in the same spot too long or if heat was applied
I was wondering if the surface stays on the ball for ever or do u have to re apply it every once in a while
Yep re apply usually every 3-6 games
why would you go polished > dull, wouldnt it be hte ohter way around since you want to bring the polish up later on anyway?
You're right and make a good point, was just a little easier shooting with polish first as to get a good shine on a ball you'll need a spinner, so we did the spinner work first then did the abralon pads by hand on the lanes
Questions:
Is choosing surface on Resin balls vs. urethane balls much different? Jungo liked 3000 for his resin but Barker liked 1000 for his urethane.
Jungo is high rev and Barker lower rev.
What should a low rev urethane bowler be thinking about for surface grit as ideal?
What should a low rev resin bowler be thinking about for surface grit as ideal?
What about higher rev bowlers for the same questions?
Yes much different for resin and urethane. Different characteristics. Also depends on speed for surface prep lane surface oil pattern etc. lots of variables. Test them out!! 🙂
@@jrproshop Gee, thanks...
You should revisit this video with your latest equipment and your latest video styling.
What was the surface before sanding it with 4000 .
Hi DE! We just put Storm xtra shine polish on top of the box finish.
I need your help. I put my phaze 3 at a 1500 grit pad. Why did it straighten out and not as angular?
When you make the ball have a rough surface it will make it hook earlier and be smoother (creates friction with the lane earlier) so if you want more angular, polishing the P3 will do that for you
@@jrproshop thanks for the explanation. Was kinda confused after I had a nasty pin gash in mine because they didn’t repolish it.
Can you get it back shiny after you do 500?
Yep, it just won't be as glossy as if you did 4000 then polish
that's strange. the box finish on my idol from January 2020 is 2000 grit. How would i bring the finish UP to 3000 grit? that seems to be the sweet spot. Thank you!!
Yea, just a damp 3000 abralon pad and apply moderate pressure in circular motion all around the ball, should do the trick!
@@jrproshop Thanks!! I'm really looking forward to getting more games on my idol without having to fight the box surface
I saw bark end with the right foot and I’ll i thought was wtf then I remembered he’s left handed 🤣🤣
What polish brand did you use?
Storm Xtra Shine
Keep that idol as shiny as possible. Lol it ain't a 1985 Faball Hammer.
I wish you would mention ball speeds. T y
I just got a new Idol and the finish is 2000-grit pad. Has that changed at some point? You guys said the factory finish was 3000.
great hook on the bowling ball
Good stuff
What's The Difference Between 1500 Grit To 2000 Grit Bowling Balls?
500 lol. Not a significant amount
Hi Guys! Great vids. Learning a lot. I have a question. Idol is my fav too. In league on 44ft BigBen it works out realy well, but in the other house i play, they have 42ft Stonestreet. Idol is too strong there. All my other balls are stronger than the Idol.. Now using an old Track 300A that is okay, but need something new. What do you recommend in weaker than Idol (Storm/ Roto only). I do about 480rpm with 2 hands at 14,5mph and do not like sharp backends. Thanks for reply in advance.
Hey Paul! Thanks for the comment! We'd suggest something like an IQ Tour, has a low differential but a strong cover stock to keep the reaction smooth and predictable, it will hook 5ish boards less than the idol. Hope this helps!
@@jrproshop Thanks for your quick response! I already have a IQ Tour Nano (from 2014), but that one is still much too strong on that pattern. It seems like they put less oil on it than normally used in Stone Street.
I never understood the purpose of using polish on any reactive ball ever since synthetic sanding pads changed the game. Last ball I bought first think I told the driller " before you drill a hole in it take that crap off and hit it with 3000 abarlon."
Cool video talk to tech
I feel like you guys should've stated that these results were without polish. 1 and 2k grit with polish are phenomena
I like Barko because he’s a lefty like me!
Is using a polished urethane for spares doable? Or will it still jump on the dry and end up being hard to predict?
Urethane is good for spares too. Just make sure you throw it fast enough because it will hook a tiny bit
Nice video. I 'd like to just point out that those numbers are what pads were used, not what the grit on the ball was. Unfortunately they don't match. You can check some experiments about surfaces on my channel, you might find them useful. Keep making good videos, and fun videos ! : )
Do you have any idol solids for sale?
All sold out 😢
@@jrproshop the painnnnn
Candle pin balls
What is a 4000 polished.
Sanded to 4000 grit, then polish applied on top
@@jrproshop Will there be major difference between 4000 polished and 3000 polished?
in a tournament one of my friends sanded an absolute down to 260 💀💀
Cool video talk to tech bowling Jr pro shop
Lol, y'all haven't been to Chicago then! Cats will hit a ball with 360 if it's a puddle
Hahah no we haven't been yet, but that's amazing 😂
I use the pink black widow urethane at 360 which is great in my opinion for house shot